Examination of Witnesses (Questions 720
WEDNESDAY 28 MARCH 2001
720. At all?
(Mr Jones) Clearly there is an issue in joining an
organisation in terms of management resources and in terms of
costs and you have to make a judgment as to whether there will
be an appropriate benefit arising from that. We judge that there
will not be.
721. Mr Jones, I am a bit bewildered by this,
where is this gap? Mr Mordaunt tells us you are much more efficient
since you became privatised and you, presumably, think the same
thing but with a different organisation?
(Mr Jones) We also have an improvement in the safety
722. Where are all of the these accidents happening
(Mr Jones) I think the preponderance of accidents
happening in smaller ports
723. I see, they do not happen in big ports
(Mr Jones) No, all ports have accidents, but I think
the more significant levels of accident rates are in smaller ports.
724. Both of you can give me not only a table
of what happened immediately before privatisation but what is
(Mr Jones) We can certainly demonstrate there has
been an improvement consistently over recent years in Liverpool
and in Medway, yes. You will recall from Modern Ports that Mersey
Docks and Harbour Company was a pioneer of the Passport Scheme,
insisting on induction training being given to our own employees
and any employees of contractor companies employed on activities
within the Mersey docks.
725. Every incident that happens within the
overall area that you as a port occupy is reported centrally,
is it? Do you get to know of every accident?
(Mr Jones) Indeed. We recently had a HSE inspection
carried out at the end of last year and the early part of this
year and we have received a very positive report from HSE.
726. A very positive report.
(Mr Jones) A very complimentary report in regard to
the systems that apply in the port of Liverpool. The inspection
was in relation to the port of Liverpool. I am happy to share
that report with you.
727. If the accident rate is one in 3,000 what
is it in your particular report?
(Mr Jones) I do not have the figure off the top of
Mr Donohoe: You will be able to supply us with
728. Mr Gray, do you have the figure? Could
you let us have it? Can I ask you why there are so few reliable
statistics about the economic impact of activities undertaken
by ports? Do you gather this information yourselves?
(Mr Davey) I am not sure we are in position to gather
the information on the economic impact. I am aware, although I
cannot quote any, there have been a number of economic studies
done into the impact of ports and various people I know have attempted
to calculate it and multiply it when it comes to employment, and
so forth, to gauge the economic impact.
729. There is no obvious way of using performance
indicators in relation to the industry, there is no such thing?
(Mr Davey) I would not say there is to measure the
730. This is one of the other things we would
also like to know. It is odd that the industry itself is not capable
of giving us that kind of information, is it not?
(Mr Mordaunt) Every port is actually very different
in its the make-up, we are not comparable with Felixstowe.
731. Presumably you must have some idea of the
economics and the impact you are making?
(Mr Mordaunt) We know that we are very important in
the local economy, but to quantify that I cannot do.
Chairman: Thank you very much, indeed, gentlemen
you will give us some supplementary notes. Thank you very much