House of Lords Journal 236 (Session 2002-03)


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Thursday 19 December 2002

The House met at eleven o’clock.

The following Lords Spiritual and Temporal were present:

Irvine of Lairg, L.
(Lord Chancellor)

Aberdare, L.
Ackner, L.
Addington, L.
Ahmed, L.
Allenby of Megiddo, V.
Alton of Liverpool, L.
Amos, B.
Ampthill, L.
Andrews, B.
Anelay of St Johns, B.
Archer of Sandwell, L.
Arran, E.
Ashcroft, L.
Ashley of Stoke, L.
Astor of Hever, L.
Attlee, E.
Avebury, L.
Baker of Dorking, L.
Barnett, L.
Bassam of Brighton, L.
Beaumont of Whitley, L.
Berkeley, L.
Bhatia, L.
Biffen, L.
Billingham, B.
Birt, L.
Blackstone, B.
Blaker, L.
Blatch, B.
Bledisloe, V.
Blood, B.
Blyth of Rowington, L.
Boothroyd, B.

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Borrie, L.
Boston of Faversham, L.
Bowness, L.
Brabazon of Tara, L.
Bradshaw, L.
Brennan, L.
Bridgeman, V.
Brooke of Alverthorpe, L.
Brooke of Sutton Mandeville, L.
Brookman, L.
Brooks of Tremorfa, L.
Brougham and Vaux, L.
Bruce of Donington, L.
Burlison, L.
Burnham, L.
Buscombe, B.
Caithness, E.
Campbell of Alloway, L.
Campbell of Croy, L.
Campbell-Savours, L.
Carnegy of Lour, B.
Carter, L.
Chalfont, L.
Chandos, V.
Chester, Bp.
Christopher, L.
Clark of Windermere, L.
Clarke of Hampstead, L.
Clement-Jones, L.
Clinton-Davis, L.
Cobbold, L.
Cockfield, L.
Cohen of Pimlico, B.
Colville of Culross, V.
Colwyn, L.
Condon, L.
Cope of Berkeley, L.
Corbett of Castle Vale, L.
Courtown, E.
Cox, B.
Craig of Radley, L.
Crathorne, L.
Crawley, B.
Currie of Marylebone, L.
Darcy de Knayth, B.
David, B.
Davies of Coity, L.
Davies of Oldham, L.
Dean of Harptree, L.
Dholakia, L.
Dixon, L.
Dixon-Smith, L.
Donoughue, L.
Dormand of Easington, L.
Dubs, L.
Eames, L.
Eatwell, L.
Elder, L.
Elles, B.
Elliott of Morpeth, L.
Elton, L.
Erroll, E.
Evans of Parkside, L.
Evans of Temple Guiting, L.
Ezra, L.
Falconer of Thoroton, L.
Falkender, B.
Falkland, V.
Farrington of Ribbleton, B.
Faulkner of Worcester, L.
Ferrers, E.
Finlay of Llandaff, B.
Fitt, L.
Flather, B.
Fookes, B.
Fowler, L.
Fraser of Carmyllie, L.
Freeman, L.
Freyberg, L.
Gale, B.
Gardner of Parkes, B.
Garel-Jones, L.
Geddes, L.
Geraint, L.
Gibson of Market Rasen, B.
Gladwin of Clee, L.
Glentoran, L.
Golding, B.
Goodhart, L.
Goschen, V.
Goudie, B.
Graham of Edmonton, L.
Gray of Contin, L.
Greaves, L.
Greengross, B.
Greenway, L.
Griffiths of Fforestfach, L.
Grocott, L.
Hardy of Wath, L.
Harris of Haringey, L.
Harris of Richmond, B.
Hayhoe, L.
Higgins, L.
Hodgson of Astley Abbotts, L.
Hogg of Cumbernauld, L.
Hollis of Heigham, B.
Hooper, B.
Hooson, L.
Howarth of Breckland, B.
Howe, E.
Howell of Guildford, L.
Howells of St. Davids, B.
Howie of Troon, L.
Hoyle, L.
Hughes of Woodside, L.
Hunt of Kings Heath, L.
Hunt of Wirral, L.
Jacobs, L.
Janner of Braunstone, L.
Jauncey of Tullichettle, L.
Jeger, B.
Jellicoe, E.
Jenkin of Roding, L.
Jopling, L.
Jordan, L.
Judd, L.
Kilclooney, L.
King of Bridgwater, L.
King of West Bromwich, L.
Knight of Collingtree, B.
Laird, L.
Laming, L.
Lamont of Lerwick, L.
Lawson of Blaby, L.
Lea of Crondall, L.
Lipsey, L.
Listowel, E.
Liverpool, E.
Livsey of Talgarth, L.
Lofthouse of Pontefract, L.
Lucas, L.
Luke, L.
Lyell, L.
McColl of Dulwich, L.
McIntosh of Haringey, L.
McIntosh of Hudnall, B.
MacKenzie of Culkein, L.
Mackenzie of Framwellgate, L.
Mackie of Benshie, L.
Maclennan of Rogart, L.
McNally, L.
Maddock, B.
Mancroft, L.
Mar and Kellie, E.
Marlesford, L.
Masham of Ilton, B.
Mason of Barnsley, L.
Massey of Darwen, B.
Merlyn-Rees, L.
Miller of Chilthorne Domer, B.
Miller of Hendon, B.
Milner of Leeds, L.
Molyneaux of Killead, L.
Monro of Langholm, L.
Monson, L.
Montagu of Beaulieu, L.
Morris of Manchester, L.
Moynihan, L.
Murray of Epping Forest, L.
Murton of Lindisfarne, L.
Naseby, L.
Newby, L.
Newton of Braintree, L.
Noakes, B.
Northover, B.
Norton of Louth, L.
O’Cathain, B.
O’Neill of Bengarve, B.
Onslow, E.
Orme, L.
Oxburgh, L.
Parekh, L.
Park of Monmouth, B.
Patel of Blackburn, L.
Patten, L.
Paul, L.
Pearson of Rannoch, L.
Peel, E.
Pendry, L.
Perry of Southwark, B.
Peston, L.
Peyton of Yeovil, L.
Phillips of Sudbury, L.
Pilkington of Oxenford, L.
Pitkeathley, B.
Ponsonby of Shulbrede, L.
Prys-Davies, L.
Quirk, L.
Radice, L.
Ramsay of Cartvale, B.
Randall of St. Budeaux, L.
Rawlings, B.
Razzall, L.
Rea, L.
Reay, L.
Redesdale, L.
Rees-Mogg, L.

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Rendell of Babergh, B.
Rennard, L.
Renton, L.
Richard, L.
Roberts of Conwy, L.
Rodgers of Quarry Bank, L.
Roper, L.
Rosslyn, E.
Russell, E.
Russell-Johnston, L.
Sainsbury of Preston Candover, L.
Sainsbury of Turville, L.
St. John of Fawsley, L.
Saltoun of Abernethy, Ly.
Sandwich, E.
Sawyer, L.
Scott of Needham Market, B.
Seccombe, B.
Sewel, L.
Sharples, B.
Sheldon, L.
Simon, V.
Simon of Glaisdale, L.
Skelmersdale, L.
Slim, V.
Smith of Clifton, L.
Smith of Gilmorehill, B.
Soulsby of Swaffham Prior, L.
Stern, B.
Stewartby, L.
Stone of Blackheath, L.
Strabolgi, L.
Strathclyde, L.
Swinfen, L.
Symons of Vernham Dean, B.
Taverne, L.
Taylor of Blackburn, L.
Taylor of Warwick, L.
Temple-Morris, L.
Tenby, V.
Thomas of Gresford, L.
Thomas of Gwydir, L.
Thomas of Walliswood, B.
Thomson of Monifieth, L.
Thornton, B.
Tomlinson, L.
Tope, L.
Tordoff, L.
Trefgarne, L.
Trumpington, B.
Turnberg, L.
Turner of Camden, B.
Uddin, B.
Waddington, L.
Wakeham, L.
Walmsley, B.
Warnock, B.
Warwick of Undercliffe, B.
Weatherill, L.
Whitaker, B.
Wigoder, L.
Wilberforce, L.
Wilcox, B.
Wilkins, B.
Williams of Crosby, B.
Williams of Mostyn, L.
Williamson of Horton, L.
Winston, L.
Worcester, Bp.
Wright of Richmond, L.

PRAYERS were read by the Lord Bishop of Chester.

Judicial Business

1.Regina v. Johnstone (Respondent) (On Appeal from the Court of Appeal (Criminal Division))—The petition of the British Phonographic Industry praying for leave to intervene in the said appeal was presented and referred to an Appeal Committee.

Papers

2.Command Papers—The following papers were presented to the House by command of Her Majesty and ordered to lie on the Table:
1.Inland Revenue—Report for 2001–02 of the Inland Revenue;
 (5706)
2.Departmental Performance—Autumn Performance Report 2002 of the Cabinet Office.
 (5732)
3.Affirmative Instruments—The following instruments were laid before the House for approval by resolution and ordered to lie on the Table:
1.Draft Access to Justice (Northern Ireland) Order 2003, laid under the Northern Ireland Act 2000, together with an Explanatory Memorandum;
2.Draft Audit and Accountability (Northern Ireland) Order 2003, laid under the Northern Ireland Act 2000, together with an Explanatory Memorandum.
4.Negative Instruments—The following instruments were laid before the House and ordered to lie on the Table:
1.Teachers’ Pensions (Amendment) Regulations 2002, laid under the Superannuation Act 1972;
 (3058)
2. (i)Police (Amendment) (No. 3) Regulations 2002—(3162)
(ii)Special Constables (Amendment) Regulations 2002—(3180)
 laid under the Police Act 1996;
3. (i)School Companies (Private Finance Initiative Companies) Regulations 2002—(3177)
(ii)Education (Pupil Exclusions and Appeals) (Maintained Schools) (England) Regulations 2002—(3178)
(iii)Education (Pupil Exclusions and Appeals) (Pupil Referral Units) (England) Regulations 2002—(3179)
 laid under the Education Act 2002;

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4.Police (Recruitment) (Northern Ireland) (Amendment) Regulations 2002, laid under the Police (Northern Ireland) Act 2000.
 (—)
5.Papers not subject to parliamentary proceedings—The following papers were laid before the House and ordered to lie on the Table:
1.Proposal for a draft Order in Council: Criminal Justice (Northern Ireland) Order 2003, laid under the Northern Ireland Act 2000;
2. (i)Report and Accounts for 2001–02 of the Debt Management Office—
(ii)Accounts for 2001–02 of the Consolidated Fund and National Loans Fund—
 laid under the National Loans Act 1968;
3.Report and Accounts for 2001–02 of the Marshall Aid Commemoration Commission, together with the Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General, laid under the Marshall Aid Commemoration Act 1953;
4.Accounts for 2001–02 of the Youth Justice Board for England and Wales, together with the Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General, laid under the Crime and Disorder Act 1998;
5.Statement for 2001–02 of the Film Council Lottery Distribution Account, together with the Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General, laid under the National Lottery etc. Act 1993;
6.Statement for 2001–02 of the Wool Textile Industry (Export Promotion Levy) Account, together with the Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General, laid under the Industrial Organisation and Development Act 1947;
7.Statement for 2001–02 of the Insolvency Services Account and the Insolvency Services Investment Account, together with the Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General, laid under the Insolvency Act 1986;
8.Report and Accounts for 2001–02 of the National Museums and Galleries on Merseyside, together with the Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General, laid under the Merseyside Museums and Galleries Order 1986;
9.Statement for 2001–02 of the Scottish Screen National Lottery Distribution Fund Account, laid under the National Lottery etc. Act 1993;
10.Accounts for 2000–01 of the following Education Action Zones, together with the Reports of the Comptroller and Auditor General:
(i)Derby North East—
(ii)Dingle Granby Toxteth—
(iii)East Cleveland—
(iv)Speke Garston—
(v)Withernsea—
 laid under the School Standards and Framework Act 1998;
11.Accounts for 2001–02 of the following Education Action Zones, together with the Reports of the Comptroller and Auditor General:
(i)Bridgwater—
(ii)Bristol—
(iii)East Brighton—
(iv)Ellesmere Port—
(v)Kent–Somerset—
(vi)New Addington—
(vii)North Southwark—
(viii)Preston—
(ix)Wakefield—
(x)Withernsea—
(xi)Wythenshawe—
 laid under the School Standards and Framework Act 1998;

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12. (i)Report and Accounts for 2001–02 of the National History Museum, together with the Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General—
(ii)Report and Accounts for 2001–02 of the National Museum of Science and Industry, together with the Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General—
 laid under the Museums and Galleries Act 1992.

Select Committee Report

6.European Union Committee—It was ordered that the evidence on the Convention on the Future of Europe taken on 8th October be printed. (HL Paper 33)

Public Business

7.Crime (International Co-operation) Bill [HL]—It was moved by the Baroness Farrington of Ribbleton, on behalf of the Lord Filkin, that it be an instruction to the Grand Committee to which the Crime (International Co-operation) Bill [HL] has been committed that they consider the bill in the following order:
Clauses 1 to 15
Schedule 1
Clauses 16 to 31
Schedule 2
Clauses 32 to 55
Schedule 3
Clauses 56 to 90
Schedules 4 and 5
Clauses 91 to 94;

the motion was agreed to.

8.Police (Northern Ireland) Bill [HL]—It was moved by the Lord Privy Seal (Lord Williams of Mostyn) that it be an instruction to the Grand Committee to which the Police (Northern Ireland) Bill [HL] has been committed that they consider the bill in the following order:
Clauses 1 to 20
Schedule 1
Clause 21
Schedule 2
Clauses 22 to 26
Schedule 3
Clauses 27 and 28;

the motion was agreed to.

9.Licensing Bill [HL]—The House again resolved itself into a Committee upon the bill; amendments were moved and (by leave of the Committee) withdrawn; the House was resumed after clause 6 stood part.
10.Regulatory Reform (Special Occasions Licensing) Order 2002—It was moved by the Baroness Blackstone that the draft Regulatory Reform Order laid before the House on 17th December be approved; after debate, the motion was agreed to.
11.Supply of Beer (Tied Estate) (Revocation) Order 2002—It was moved by the Lord Sainsbury of Turville that the draft Order laid before the House on 21st November be approved; after debate, the motion was agreed to.
12.Flexible Working (Procedural Requirements) Regulations 2002—It was moved by the Lord Sainsbury of Turville that the draft Regulations laid before the House on 21st November be approved; after debate, the motion was agreed to.
13.Companies (Fees) (Amendment No. 2) Regulations 2002—It was moved by the Lord McIntosh of Haringey that the draft Regulations laid before the House on 21st November be approved; after debate, the motion was agreed to.
14.Regulatory Reform (Removal of 20 Member Limit in Partnerships etc.) Order 2002—It was moved by the Lord McIntosh of Haringey that the draft Regulatory Reform Order laid before the House on 24th October be approved; after debate, the motion was agreed to.

The House was adjourned at four minutes before five o’clock
to Tuesday 7th January next, half-past two o’clock.