House of Lords Journal 236 (Session 2002-03)

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Thursday 21 November 2002

The House met at eleven o’clock.

The following Lords Spiritual and Temporal were present:

Irvine of Lairg, L.
(Lord Chancellor)

Aberdare, L.
Ackner, L.
Addington, L.
Ahmed, L.
Alexander of Weedon, L.
Alli, L.
Ampthill, L.
Andrews, B.
Anelay of St Johns, B.
Arran, E.
Ashley of Stoke, L.
Astor of Hever, L.
Attlee, E.
Avebury, L.
Bach, L.
Bagri, L.
Barnett, L.
Bassam of Brighton, L.
Beaumont of Whitley, L.
Berkeley, L.
Bhatia, L.
Biffen, L.
Billingham, B.
Blatch, B.
Blood, B.
Borrie, L.
Boston of Faversham, L.
Bowness, L.
Brabazon of Tara, L.
Bradshaw, L.
Bragg, L.
Bramall, L.
Brennan, L.
Bridgeman, V.
Brooke of Alverthorpe, L.
Brooke of Sutton Mandeville, L.
Brookman, L.
Brooks of Tremorfa, L.
Brougham and Vaux, L.
Bruce of Donington, L.
Burlison, L.
Buscombe, B.
Butler of Brockwell, L.
Byford, B.
Caithness, E.
Campbell of Alloway, L.
Campbell of Croy, L.
Campbell-Savours, L.
Carlisle of Bucklow, L.
Carnegy of Lour, B.
Carter, L.
Chadlington, L.
Chalfont, L.
Chan, L.
Chandos, V.
Chorley, L.
Christopher, L.
Clark of Windermere, L.
Clarke of Hampstead, L.
Clement-Jones, L.
Cockfield, L.
Cohen of Pimlico, B.
Colville of Culross, V.
Colwyn, L.
Cooke of Islandreagh, L.
Cope of Berkeley, L.
Corbett of Castle Vale, L.
Courtown, E.
Craig of Radley, L.
Craigavon, V.
Crawley, B.
Crickhowell, L.
Cuckney, L.
Currie of Marylebone, L.
Dacre of Glanton, L.
Dahrendorf, L.
David, B.
Davies of Coity, L.
Davies of Oldham, L.
Dean of Harptree, L.
Dean of Thornton-le-Fylde, B.
Deedes, L.
Denham, L.
Derby, Bp.
Desai, L.
Dholakia, L.
Dixon, L.
Dixon-Smith, L.
Donoughue, L.
Dormand of Easington, L.
Dubs, L.
Dundee, E.
Eatwell, L.
Eccles of Moulton, B.
Elder, L.
Elles, B.
Elliott of Morpeth, L.
Elton, L.
Evans of Parkside, L.
Falconer of Thoroton, L.
Falkland, V.
Farrington of Ribbleton, B.
Faulkner of Worcester, L.
Ferrers, E.
Filkin, L.
Fitt, L.
Flather, B.
Forsyth of Drumlean, L.
Fowler, L.
Fraser of Carmyllie, L.
Fyfe of Fairfield, L.

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Gale, B.
Geddes, L.
Gibson of Market Rasen, B.
Gladwin of Clee, L.
Glenarthur, L.
Glentoran, L.
Golding, B.
Goodhart, L.
Gordon of Strathblane, L.
Goschen, V.
Gould of Potternewton, B.
Graham of Edmonton, L.
Gray of Contin, L.
Greaves, L.
Greengross, B.
Greenway, L.
Grocott, L.
Guildford, Bp.
Hanningfield, L.
Hardy of Wath, L.
Harrison, L.
Haskel, L.
Hayhoe, L.
Hayman, B.
Higgins, L.
Hilton of Eggardon, B.
Hogg, B.
Hogg of Cumbernauld, L.
Hooson, L.
Hope of Craighead, L.
Howarth of Breckland, B.
Howe, E.
Howe of Aberavon, L.
Howe of Idlicote, B.
Howell of Guildford, L.
Howells of St. Davids, B.
Howie of Troon, L.
Hoyle, L.
Hughes of Woodside, L.
Hunt of Chesterton, L.
Hunt of Kings Heath, L.
Hunt of Wirral, L.
Hurd of Westwell, L.
Hussey of North Bradley, L.
Imbert, L.
Islwyn, L.
Jacobs, L.
Janner of Braunstone, L.
Jay of Paddington, B.
Jenkin of Roding, L.
Jenkins of Hillhead, L.
Joffe, L.
Jones, L.
Jordan, L.
Judd, L.
Kennedy of The Shaws, B.
Kimball, L.
King of Bridgwater, L.
King of West Bromwich, L.
Kingsland, L.
Kirkhill, L.
Knight of Collingtree, B.
Laird, L.
Lamont of Lerwick, L.
Lawson of Blaby, L.
Lea of Crondall, L.
Lester of Herne Hill, L.
Lipsey, L.
Listowel, E.
Liverpool, E.
Livsey of Talgarth, L.
Lloyd of Berwick, L.
Lofthouse of Pontefract, L.
Luke, L.
Lyell, L.
McColl of Dulwich, L.
McFarlane of Llandaff, B.
McIntosh of Haringey, L.
McIntosh of Hudnall, B.
MacKenzie of Culkein, L.
Mackenzie of Framwellgate, L.
Mackie of Benshie, L.
Maclennan of Rogart, L.
McNally, L.
Maddock, B.
Maginnis of Drumglass, L.
Mancroft, L.
Mar, C.
Mar and Kellie, E.
Marlesford, L.
Marsh, L.
Masham of Ilton, B.
Mason of Barnsley, L.
Massey of Darwen, B.
Mayhew of Twysden, L.
Merlyn-Rees, L.
Methuen, L.
Miller of Hendon, B.
Milner of Leeds, L.
Mishcon, L.
Molyneaux of Killead, L.
Monro of Langholm, L.
Monson, L.
Montagu of Beaulieu, L.
Montrose, D.
Moran, L.
Morris of Manchester, L.
Moser, L.
Mowbray and Stourton, L.
Murray of Epping Forest, L.
Neill of Bladen, L.
Newby, L.
Nicol, B.
Noakes, B.
Northbrook, L.
Oakeshott of Seagrove Bay, L.
O’Cathain, B.
Onslow, E.
Oppenheim-Barnes, B.
Orme, L.
Ouseley, L.
Oxburgh, L.
Palmer, L.
Parekh, L.
Park of Monmouth, B.
Patel, L.
Patel of Blackburn, L.
Patten, L.
Paul, L.
Pearson of Rannoch, L.
Pendry, L.
Perry of Southwark, B.
Perry of Walton, L.
Peston, L.
Peyton of Yeovil, L.
Phillips of Sudbury, L.
Pilkington of Oxenford, L.
Pitkeathley, B.
Plumb, L.
Plummer of St. Marylebone, L.
Ponsonby of Shulbrede, L.
Portsmouth, Bp.
Prys-Davies, L.
Puttnam, L.
Quirk, L.
Radice, L.
Ramsay of Cartvale, B.
Randall of St. Budeaux, L.
Rawlings, B.
Rawlinson of Ewell, L.
Razzall, L.
Rea, L.
Reay, L.
Redesdale, L.
Rees, L.
Rees-Mogg, L.
Rendell of Babergh, B.
Rennard, L.
Renton, L.
Renton of Mount Harry, L.
Rix, L.
Roberts of Conwy, L.
Rodgers of Quarry Bank, L.
Rogan, L.
Roll of Ipsden, L.
Roper, L.
Rosslyn, E.
Rotherwick, L.
Russell, E.
Russell-Johnston, L.
Sainsbury of Turville, L.
St. John of Bletso, L.
St. John of Fawsley, L.
Saltoun of Abernethy, Ly.
Sandwich, E.
Sawyer, L.
Scotland of Asthal, B.
Scott of Needham Market, B.
Seccombe, B.
Selborne, E.
Selkirk of Douglas, L.
Selsdon, L.
Sewel, L.
Sharp of Guildford, B.
Shaw of Northstead, L.
Sheldon, L.
Shutt of Greetland, L.
Simon, V.
Simon of Glaisdale, L.
Skidelsky, L.
Slim, V.
Smith of Clifton, L.
Smith of Gilmorehill, B.
Soulsby of Swaffham Prior, L.
Stallard, L.
Stern, B.
Stewartby, L.
Steyn, L.
Stone of Blackheath, L.
Strabolgi, L.
Strange, B.
Strathclyde, L.
Swinfen, L.
Tanlaw, L.
Taverne, L.
Taylor of Blackburn, L.
Taylor of Warwick, L.

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Tebbit, L.
Temple-Morris, L.
Tenby, V.
Thomas of Gresford, L.
Thomas of Macclesfield, L.
Thomas of Walliswood, B.
Thomson of Monifieth, L.
Thornton, B.
Tordoff, L.
Trefgarne, L.
Trumpington, B.
Turnberg, L.
Turner of Camden, B.
Uddin, B.
Vincent of Coleshill, L.
Wade of Chorlton, L.
Wakeham, L.
Walker of Doncaster, L.
Walker of Gestingthorpe, L.
Wallace of Saltaire, L.
Walmsley, B.
Walpole, L.
Walton of Detchant, L.
Warner, L.
Warnock, B.
Warwick of Undercliffe, B.
Watson of Richmond, L.
Weatherill, L.
Whitaker, B.
Whitty, L.
Wigoder, L.
Wilberforce, L.
Wilcox, B.
Wilkins, B.
Williams of Crosby, B.
Williams of Elvel, L.
Williams of Mostyn, L.
Williamson of Horton, L.
Worcester, Bp.
Wright of Richmond, L.

PRAYERS were read by the Lord Bishop of Derby.

Judicial Business

1.Akenzua and another (administrators of the estate of Marcia Zena Laws (deceased)) (Respondents) v. Secretary of State for the Home Department and another (Petitioner)—The petition of the Commissioner of Police for the Metropolis praying for leave to appeal was presented and referred to an Appeal Committee.
2.Wilson and others v. Secretary of State for Trade and Industry (Appellant)—The petition of Wenahold Limited (trading as Persist Specialist Credit Hire Debt Collection) praying for leave to intervene in the said appeal was presented and referred to an Appeal Committee.
3.Buchanan (Appellant) v. Alba Diagnostics Limited (Respondents) (Scotland)—The petition of the appellant praying that the time for lodging the statement and appendix and setting down the cause for hearing might be extended to 30th December next or to the third sitting day after the next ensuing meeting of the House (the agents for the respondents consenting thereto) was presented; and it was ordered as prayed (lodged 18th November).
4.Appeal Committee—The 10th Report from the Appeal Committee was made and ordered to be printed. (HL Paper 7)


5.Document withdrawn—The following document, laid before the House on 22nd July, was withdrawn:

Proposal for a draft Firearms (Northern Ireland) Order 2002.

6.Command Paper—The following paper was presented to the House by command of Her Majesty and ordered to lie on the Table:
1.Standards in Public Life—Eighth Report of the Committee on Standards in Public Life.
2.Contingent Liability—Report of Contingent Liabilities relating to a loan from Trustees of the Royal Armouries of armour for display at the Tower of London.
7.Affirmative Instruments—The following instruments were laid before the House for approval by resolution and ordered to lie on the Table:
1.Draft Flexible Working (Procedural Requirements) Regulations 2002, laid under the Employment Rights Act 1996, together with an Explanatory Memorandum;
2.Draft Fur Farming (Prohibition) (Northern Ireland) Order 2002, laid under the Northern Ireland Act 2000, together with an Explanatory Memorandum;
3.Draft Harbours (Northern Ireland) Order 2002, laid under the Northern Ireland Act 2000, together with an Explanatory Memorandum;
4.Draft Supply of Beer (Tied Estate) (Revocation) Order 2002, laid under the Fair Trading Act 1973, together with an Explanatory Memorandum;
5.Companies (Fees) (Amendment No. 2) Regulations 2002, laid under the Companies Act 1985, together with an Explanatory Memorandum.
8.Negative Instruments—The following instruments were laid before the House and ordered to lie on the Table:
1.Rail Vehicle Accessibility (Summerlee Tramcar No. 392) Exemption Order 2002, laid under the Disability Discrimination Act 1995;
2.Plant Protection Products (Amendment) (No. 3) Regulations 2002, laid under the European Communities Act 1972;

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3.Poultry Breeding Flocks, Hatcheries and Animal By-Products (Fees) (England) Order 2002, laid under the Animal Health Act 1981;
4.Safety and Sports Grounds (Designation) (No. 2) Order 2002, laid under the Safety of Sports Grounds Act 1975;
5.Limited Liability Partnerships (Fees) (Amendment) Regulations 2002, laid under the Companies Act 1985.
9.Papers not subject to parliamentary proceedings—The following papers were laid before the House and ordered to lie on the Table:
1.Report of the Health Service Commissioner for England on Investigations Completed between April and July 2002, laid under the Health Service Commissioners Act 1993;
2.Financial Statement for 2001 of the Severn River Crossing plc, laid under the Severn Bridges Act 1992;
3.Shrimp Fishing Nets Order 2002, laid under the Sea Fish (Conservation) Act 1967.

Public Business

10.National Minimum Wage (Enforcement Notices) Bill [HL]—A bill to make provision enabling an enforcement notice under section 19 of the National Minimum Wage Act 1998 to impose a requirement under subsection (2) of that section in relation to a person, whether or not a requirement under subsection (1) of that section is, or may be, imposed in relation to that or any other person was presented by the Lord McIntosh of Haringey on behalf of the Lord Sainsbury of Turville, read a first time and ordered to be printed. (HL Bill 8)
11.National Minimum Wage (Enforcement Notices) Bill [HL]—It was ordered that the Explanatory Notes relating to the bill be printed. (HL Bill 8–EN)
12.The Queen’s Speech—The debate on the motion that an Humble Address be presented to Her Majesty was resumed and, after further debate, was again adjourned.

The House was adjourned during pleasure.
The House was resumed.

13.The Queen’s Speech—The debate was resumed on the motion that an Humble Address be presented to Her Majesty as follows—

“Most Gracious Sovereign,

 We, Your Majesty’s most dutiful and loyal subjects, the Lords Spiritual and Temporal in Parliament assembled, beg leave to thank Your Majesty for the most gracious Speech which Your Majesty has addressed to both Houses of Parliament.”;

after further debate, the motion was agreed to nemine dissentiente, and it was ordered that the Address be presented to Her Majesty by the Lord Chamberlain.

The House was adjourned at six minutes past six o’clock
to Monday next, half-past ten o’clock for judicial business,
half-past two o’clock for public business.