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13th November

DIVISIONS

Division No. 1

SEXUAL OFFENCES (AMENDMENT) BILL

It was moved by the Baroness Young, in Clause 1, page 1, line 5, to leave out subsections (1) to (4) and insert--

    ("(1)    In the Sexual Offences Act 1956, in sub-paragraphs (a) and (b) of paragraph 16 (indecency between men etc.) of Schedule 2 (punishments etc.), for the word "eighteen" there shall be substituted the word "sixteen".

    (2)    In the Sexual Offences Act 1967--

    (a)    in subsection (1) of section 1 (amendment of law relating to homosexual acts in private), for the words "a homosexual act" there shall be substituted the words "an act of buggery in private with another man or commission of an act of buggery";
    (b)    after subsection (1), there shall be inserted--
      "(1A)    Notwithstanding any statutory or common law provision, an act of gross indecency in private with another man or commission of an act of gross indecency shall not be an offence provided that the parties consent thereto and have attained the age of sixteen years.";
    (c)    in subsection (3), after the words "subsection (1)" insert "or (1A)";
    (d)    in place of subsection (6), there shall be substituted--
      "(6)    It is hereby declared that where in any proceedings it is charged that--
        (a)    an act of buggery with another man or being party to the commission of such an act is an offence the prosecutor shall have the burden of proving that the act was done otherwise than in private or otherwise than with the consent of the parties or that any of the parties had not attained the age of eighteen years;

        (b)    an act of gross indecency with another man or being party to the commission of such an act is an offence the prosecutor shall have the burden of proving that the act was done otherwise than in private or otherwise than with the consent of the parties or that any of the parties had not attained the age of sixteen years."; and

    (e)    in section 8 (restriction on prosecutions), for the words "against any man" to the end of section there shall be substituted--
        "(a)    for the offence of buggery with another man, for attempting to commit an act of buggery, or for aiding, abetting, counselling, procuring or commanding its commission where either of those men was at the time if its commission under the age of eighteen;

        (b)    for the offence of gross indecency with another man, for attempting to commit an act of gross indecency, or for aiding, abetting, counselling, procuring or commanding its commission where either of those men was at the time if its commission under the age of sixteen.".

    (3)    In section 13 of the Criminal Law (Consolidation) (Scotland) Act 1995 (homosexual offences)--

    (a)    in subsection (1) for the words "a homosexual act" there shall be substituted "an act of sodomy in private by one male person with another male person or commission of an act of sodomy";
    (b)    after subsection (1), there shall be inserted--
      "(1A)    Subject to the provisions of this section, an act of gross indecency in private or shameless indecency in private by one male person with another male person or commission of such an act shall not be an offence provided that the parties consent thereto and have attained the age of sixteen years.";
    (c)    in subsection (3), after the words "subsection (1)" insert "or (1A)";
    (d)    in subsections (5) and (8), for the words "a homosexual act" there shall be substituted "an act of sodomy by one male person with another male person";
    (e)    after subsection (5), there shall be inserted--
      "(5A)    Subject to subsection (3) above, it shall be an offence to commit or to be party to the commission of, or to procure or attempt to procure the commission of an act of gross indecency or shameless indecency by one male person with another male person--
        (a)    otherwise than in private;

        (b)    without the consent of both parties to the act; or

        (c)    with a person under the age of sixteen years."; and

    (f)    after subsection (8), there shall be inserted--
      "(8A)    It shall be a defence to a charge of committing or to being party to the commission of, or to procuring or attempting to procure the commission of an act of gross indecency or shameless indecency by one male person with another male person under subsection (5A)(c) above that the person so charged being under the age of 24 who had not previously been charged with a like offence, had reasonable cause to believe that the other person was of or over the age of 16 years.".
    (4)    In Article 3 of the Homosexual Offences (Northern Ireland) Order 1982 (homosexual acts in private)--

    (a)    in paragraph (1), for the words "a homosexual act in private" there shall be substituted "an act of buggery in private by a man with another man or commission of an act of buggery in private by a man with another man";
    (b)    after paragraph (1), there shall be inserted--
      "(1A)    Subject to Article 123 of the Mental Health (Northern Ireland) Order 1986, and notwithstanding any other statutory provision or any rule of law, an act of gross indecency in private with another man or commission of an act of gross indecency with another man shall not be an offence provided that the parties consent thereto and have attained the age of 17 years.";
    (c)    in paragraph (3), after the words "paragraph (1)" insert "or (1A)"; and
    (d)    in paragraph (5), for the words "a homosexual act" to the end there shall be substituted--
        "(a)    an act of buggery by a man with another man or being party to the commission of such an act is an offence the prosecutor shall have the burden of proving that the act was done otherwise than in private or otherwise than with the consent of the parties or that any of the parties had not attained the age of 18 years;

        (b)    an act of gross indecency with another man or being party to the commission of such an act is an offence the prosecutor shall have the burden of proving that the act was done otherwise than in private or otherwise than with the consent of the parties or that any of the parties had not attained the age of 17 years.".");

which being objected to, the question was put thereupon, and the Committee divided:

CONTENTS.......205
NOT-CONTENTS...144

CONTENTS
Ackner, L.
Allenby of Megiddo, V.
Ampthill, L.
Arran, E.
Astor, V.
Astor of Hever, L.
Attlee, E.
Barber, L.
Beaumont of Whitley, L.
Bell, L.
Bellwin, L.
Belstead, L.
Blackwell, L.
Blaker, L.
Blatch, B.
Blease, L.
Boardman, L.
Bowness, L.
Brabazon of Tara, L.
Bridgeman, V.
Bridges, L.
Brigstocke, B.
Brookman, L.
Brougham and Vaux, L.
Burnham, L.
Buscombe, B.
Butterworth, L.
Byford, B.
Caithness, E.
Campbell of Alloway, L.
Campbell of Croy, L.
Carlisle of Bucklow, L.
Carnarvon, E.
Carnegy of Lour, B.
Carr of Hadley, L.
Chadlington, L.
Chalfont, L.
Chelmsford, Bp.
Clark of Kempston, L.
Clarke of Hampstead, L.
Cledwyn of Penrhos, L.
Cockfield, L.
Cocks of Hartcliffe, L.
Colwyn, L.
Cope of Berkeley, L.
Courtown, E.
Cox, B.
Craig of Radley, L.
Cranborne, V.
Crickhowell, L.
Croham, L.
Cuckney, L.
Cumberlege, B.
Davies of Coity, L.
Dean of Harptree, L.
Dearing, L.
Denham, L.
Dixon, L.
Dixon-Smith, L.
Donoughue, L.
Eden of Winton, L.
Elles, B.
Elliott of Morpeth, L.
Elton, L.
Feldman, L.
Ferrers, E.
Fitt, L.
Fookes, B.
Forsyth of Drumlean, L.
Fraser of Carmyllie, L.
Freeman, L.
Gardner of Parkes, B.
Geddes, L.
Gibson, L.
Glenarthur, L.
Glentoran, L.
Goschen, V.
Gray of Contin, L.
Greenway, L.
Griffiths of Fforestfach, L.
Hanham, B.
Hanson, L.
Harris of High Cross, L.
Harris of Peckham, L.
Haslam, L.
Hayhoe, L.
Henley, L.
Higgins, L.
Hodgson of Astley Abbotts, L.
Home, E.
Howe of Aberavon, L.
Howell of Guildford, L.
Hunt of Wirral, L.
Hurd of Westwell, L.
Hussey of North Bradley, L.
Inglewood, L.
Islwyn, L.
Jellicoe, E.
Jopling, L.
Kimball, L.
Kingsland, L.
Knight of Collingtree, B.
Laird, L.
Lamont of Lerwick, L.
Lane, L.
Lawson of Blaby, L.
Lichfield, Bp.
Liverpool, E.
Lofthouse of Pontefract, L.
Longford, E.
Luke, L.
Lyell, L.
McColl of Dulwich, L.
Mackay of Ardbrecknish, L.
Mancroft, L.
Mason of Barnsley, L.
Miller of Hendon, B.
Mishcon, L.
Monro of Langholm, L.
Monson, L.
Montrose, D.
Moore of Wolvercote, L.
Mowbray and Stourton, L.
Murton of Lindisfarne, L.
Naseby, L.
Neill of Bladen, L.
Nickson, L.
Noakes, B.
Norfolk, D.
Northbourne, L.
Northbrook, L.
Northesk, E.
O'Cathain, B.
Onslow, E.
Oppenheim-Barnes, B.
Orme, L.
Oxfuird, V.
Palmer, L.
Palumbo, L.
Park of Monmouth, B.
Parkinson, L.
Pearson of Rannoch, L.
Peel, E.
Peyton of Yeovil, L.
Pilkington of Oxenford, L.
Plummer of St. Marylebone, L.
Porter of Luddenham, L.
Powell of Bayswater, L.
Prentice, L.
Prior, L.
Pym, L.
Quirk, L.
Rawlings, B.
Rawlinson of Ewell, L.
Reay, L.
Rees, L.
Rees-Mogg, L.
Renton, L.
Renton of Mount Harry, L.
Richardson of Duntisbourne, L.
Roberts of Conwy, L.
Rotherwick, L.
Ryder of Wensum, L.
Saatchi, L.
Sainsbury of Preston Candover, L.
Saltoun of Abernethy, Ly.
Sanderson of Bowden, L.
Seccombe, B. [Teller]
Selsdon, L.
Shaw of Northstead, L.
Shore of Stepney, L.
Shrewsbury, E.
Simon, V.
Simon of Glaisdale, L.
Skelmersdale, L.
Slim, V.
Soulsby of Swaffham Prior, L.
Sterling of Plaistow, L.
Stevens of Ludgate, L.
Stewartby, L.
Stoddart of Swindon, L.
Strange, B.
Strathclyde, L.
Swinfen, L.
Taylor of Warwick, L.
Tebbit, L.
Tenby, V.
Thatcher, B.
Thomas of Gwydir, L.
Tombs, L.
Trefgarne, L.
Trumpington, B.
Vinson, L.
Vivian, L.
Waddington, L.
Wakefield, Bp.
Wakeham, L.
Weatherill, L.
Wilberforce, L.
Wilcox, B.
Willoughby de Broke, L.
Winchester, Bp.
Wolfson, L.
Wright of Richmond, L.
Young, B. [Teller]
NOT-CONTENTS
Addington, L.
Alli, L.
Amos, B.
Andrews, B.
Archer of Sandwell, L.
Ashton of Upholland, B.
Bach, L.
Barker, B.
Barnett, L.
Bassam of Brighton, L.
Bath and Wells, Bp.
Birmingham, Bp.
Birt, L.
Blackstone, B.
Bledisloe, V.
Borrie, L.
Bragg, L.
Brennan, L.
Brooke of Alverthorpe, L.
Burlison, L.
Burns, L.
Carter, L.
Chandos, V.
Christopher, L.
Clement-Jones, L.
Cohen of Pimlico, B.
Craigavon, V.
David, B.
Davies of Oldham, L.
Dean of Thornton-le-Fylde, B.
Desai, L.
Dholakia, L.
Dubs, L.
Eatwell, L.
Elder, L.
Evans of Temple Guiting, L.
Ezra, L.
Falconer of Thoroton, L.
Falkland, V.
Farrington of Ribbleton, B.
Faulkner of Worcester, L.
Freyberg, L.
Gale, B.
Goldsmith, L.
Goodhart, L.
Gordon of Strathblane, L.
Gould of Potternewton, B.
Graham of Edmonton, L.
Grenfell, L.
Hamwee, B.
Harris of Greenwich, L.
Harrison, L.
Haskel, L.
Hayman, B.
Hilton of Eggardon, B. [Teller]
Hogg of Cumbernauld, L.
Hollis of Heigham, B.
Howells of St. Davids, B.
Howie of Troon, L.
Hughes of Woodside, L.
Hunt of Chesterton, L.
Hunt of Kings Heath, L.
Hutchinson of Lullington, L.
Irvine of Lairg, L. (Lord Chancellor)
Jacobs, L.
Janner of Braunstone, L.
Jay of Paddington, B. (Lord Privy Seal)
Jeger, B.
Jenkins of Putney, L.
Judd, L.
Kennedy of The Shaws, B.
Lea of Crondall, L.
Lincoln, Bp.
Lipsey, L.
Listowel, E.
Lockwood, B.
Macdonald of Tradeston, L.
McIntosh of Haringey, L.
McIntosh of Hudnall, B.
MacKenzie of Culkein, L.
Maddock, B.
Mallalieu, B.
Marsh, L.
Merlyn-Rees, L.
Miller of Chilthorne Domer, B.
Molloy, L.
Morris of Manchester, L.
Newby, L.
Northover, B.
Norton of Louth, L.
Oakeshott of Seagrove Bay, L.
Oxford, Bp.
Patel, L.
Peston, L.
Phillips of Sudbury, L.
Plant of Highfield, L.
Ponsonby of Shulbrede, L.
Puttnam, L.
Ramsay of Cartvale, B.
Razzall, L.
Rendell of Babergh, B.
Rennard, L.
Richard, L.
Richardson of Calow, B.
Rodgers of Quarry Bank, L.
Roll of Ipsden, L.
Roper, L.
Russell, E. [Teller]
Scott of Needham Market, B.
Serota, B.
Shepherd, L.
Shutt of Greetland, L.
Skidelsky, L.
Smith of Gilmorehill, B.
Smith of Leigh, L.
Strabolgi, L.
Symons of Vernham Dean, B.
Taverne, L.
Taylor of Blackburn, L.
Taylor of Gryfe, L.
Thomas of Walliswood, B.
Thornton, B.
Tomlinson, L.
Tope, L.
Tordoff, L.
Turnberg, L.
Turner of Camden, B.
Wallace of Saltaire, L.
Walmsley, B.
Walpole, L.
Walton of Detchant, L.
Warner, L.
Warnock, B.
Warwick of Undercliffe, B.
Watson of Richmond, L.
Wedderburn of Charlton, L.
Whitaker, B.
Whitty, L.
Wilkins, B.
Williams of Elvel, L.
Williams of Mostyn, L.
Winston, L.
Woolmer of Leeds, L.
Young of Old Scone, B.

Division No. 2

SEXUAL OFFENCES (AMENDMENT) BILL

It was moved by the Baroness Blatch, in Clause 3, page 3, line 2, at end to insert (", including preparing such a person to engage in sexual activity with him at a later stage,"); which being objected to, the question was put thereupon, and the Committee divided:

CONTENTS.......139
NOT-CONTENTS...124

CONTENTS
Ackner, L.
Allenby of Megiddo, V.
Ampthill, L.
Anelay of St Johns, B.
Arran, E.
Astor of Hever, L.
Attlee, E.
Barber, L.
Bell, L.
Blackwell, L.
Blaker, L.
Blatch, B. [Teller]
Boardman, L.
Brabazon of Tara, L.
Bridgeman, V.
Brightman, L.
Brigstocke, B.
Brougham and Vaux, L.
Burnham, L.
Byford, B.
Caithness, E.
Campbell of Alloway, L.
Campbell of Croy, L.
Carlisle of Bucklow, L.
Carnegy of Lour, B.
Carr of Hadley, L.
Chadlington, L.
Chelmsford, Bp.
Clark of Kempston, L.
Cocks of Hartcliffe, L.
Colwyn, L.
Courtown, E.
Cox, B.
Craig of Radley, L.
Cranborne, V.
Crickhowell, L.
Cumberlege, B.
Dean of Harptree, L.
Denham, L.
Dixon, L.
Dixon-Smith, L.
Eden of Winton, L.
Elliott of Morpeth, L.
Elton, L.
Feldman, L.
Ferrers, E.
Fitt, L.
Fookes, B.
Forsyth of Drumlean, L.
Freeman, L.
Gardner of Parkes, B.
Geddes, L.
Glenarthur, L.
Glentoran, L.
Goschen, V.
Gray of Contin, L.
Greenway, L.
Griffiths of Fforestfach, L.
Hanson, L.
Harris of High Cross, L.
Harris of Peckham, L.
Haslam, L.
Hayhoe, L.
Henley, L.
Hodgson of Astley Abbotts, L.
Holderness, L.
Home, E.
Inglewood, L.
Islwyn, L.
Jellicoe, E.
Jopling, L.
Kimball, L.
Knight of Collingtree, B.
Laird, L.
Liverpool, E.
Lofthouse of Pontefract, L.
Luke, L.
Lyell, L.
McColl of Dulwich, L.
Mackay of Ardbrecknish, L.
Mancroft, L.
Miller of Hendon, B.
Monro of Langholm, L.
Montrose, D.
Mowbray and Stourton, L.
Murton of Lindisfarne, L.
Naseby, L.
Nickson, L.
Noakes, B.
Norfolk, D.
Northbrook, L.
Northesk, E.
O'Cathain, B.
Onslow, E.
Oppenheim-Barnes, B.
Orme, L.
Palmer, L.
Palumbo, L.
Park of Monmouth, B.
Parkinson, L.
Pearson of Rannoch, L.
Peel, E.
Pilkington of Oxenford, L.
Prentice, L.
Rawlings, B.
Reay, L.
Renton, L.
Roberts of Conwy, L.
Rotherwick, L.
Saltoun of Abernethy, Ly.
Sanderson of Bowden, L.
Seccombe, B. [Teller]
Selsdon, L.
Shaw of Northstead, L.
Shrewsbury, E.
Simon, V.
Skelmersdale, L.
Slim, V.
Sterling of Plaistow, L.
Stevens of Ludgate, L.
Stewartby, L.
Stoddart of Swindon, L.
Strange, B.
Swinfen, L.
Taylor of Warwick, L.
Tebbit, L.
Thatcher, B.
Thomas of Gwydir, L.
Tombs, L.
Trefgarne, L.
Trumpington, B.
Vivian, L.
Waddington, L.
Wakefield, Bp.
Wakeham, L.
Weatherill, L.
Wilcox, B.
Wolfson, L.
Young, B.
NOT-CONTENTS
Addington, L.
Alli, L.
Amos, B.
Andrews, B.
Archer of Sandwell, L.
Bach, L.
Barker, B.
Barnett, L.
Bassam of Brighton, L.
Bath and Wells, Bp.
Birmingham, Bp.
Birt, L.
Blackstone, B.
Bragg, L.
Brennan, L.
Brooke of Alverthorpe, L.
Burlison, L.
Burns, L.
Carter, L.
Chandos, V.
Clarke of Hampstead, L.
Clement-Jones, L.
Craigavon, V.
Crawley, B.
David, B.
Davies of Coity, L.
Davies of Oldham, L.
Dean of Thornton-le-Fylde, B.
Dholakia, L.
Dubs, L.
Eatwell, L.
Elder, L.
Falconer of Thoroton, L.
Farrington of Ribbleton, B.
Faulkner of Worcester, L.
Filkin, L.
Gale, B.
Geraint, L.
Goldsmith, L.
Goodhart, L.
Gordon of Strathblane, L.
Gould of Potternewton, B.
Grabiner, L.
Hamwee, B.
Harris of Greenwich, L.
Harris of Haringey, L.
Harrison, L.
Haskel, L.
Hattersley, L.
Hilton of Eggardon, B. [Teller]
Hogg of Cumbernauld, L.
Hollis of Heigham, B.
Howells of St. Davids, B.
Howie of Troon, L.
Hughes of Woodside, L.
Hunt of Chesterton, L.
Hunt of Kings Heath, L.
Jacobs, L.
Jay of Paddington, B. (Lord Privy Seal)
Jeger, B.
Kennedy of The Shaws, B.
Layard, L.
Lea of Crondall, L.
Lincoln, Bp.
Lipsey, L.
Listowel, E.
Lockwood, B.
Macdonald of Tradeston, L.
McIntosh of Haringey, L.
McIntosh of Hudnall, B.
MacKenzie of Culkein, L.
Maddock, B.
Mallalieu, B.
Manchester, Bp.
Miller of Chilthorne Domer, B.
Northbourne, L.
Northover, B.
Norton of Louth, L.
Oakeshott of Seagrove Bay, L.
Patel, L.
Peston, L.
Phillips of Sudbury, L.
Plant of Highfield, L.
Ponsonby of Shulbrede, L.
Portsmouth, Bp.
Puttnam, L.
Ramsay of Cartvale, B.
Randall of St. Budeaux, L.
Razzall, L.
Rennard, L.
Richardson of Calow, B.
Roper, L.
Russell, E. [Teller]
Scott of Needham Market, B.
Serota, B.
Sharp of Guildford, B.
Shutt of Greetland, L.
Skidelsky, L.
Smith of Clifton, L.
Smith of Leigh, L.
Symons of Vernham Dean, B.
Taylor of Blackburn, L.
Taylor of Gryfe, L.
Thomas of Walliswood, B.
Tomlinson, L.
Tope, L.
Tordoff, L.
Turner of Camden, B.
Wallace of Saltaire, L.
Walmsley, B.
Walpole, L.
Warner, L.
Warnock, B.
Warwick of Undercliffe, B.
Watson of Richmond, L.
Wedderburn of Charlton, L.
Whitaker, B.
Whitty, L.
Wilkins, B.
Williams of Mostyn, L.
Winchester, Bp.
Winston, L.
Woolmer of Leeds, L.
Young of Old Scone, B.

Division No. 3

SEXUAL OFFENCES (AMENDMENT) BILL

It was moved by the Baroness Blatch, in Clause 4, page 3, line 34, to leave out ("four") and insert ("five"); which being objected to, the question was put thereupon, and the Committee divided:

CONTENTS.......56
NOT-CONTENTS...69

CONTENTS
Ampthill, L.
Attlee, E.
Blatch, B. [Teller]
Boardman, L.
Bridgeman, V.
Byford, B.
Carlisle of Bucklow, L.
Cocks of Hartcliffe, L.
Crathorne, L.
Cumberlege, B.
Dean of Harptree, L.
Dixon, L.
Dixon-Smith, L.
Elton, L.
Ferrers, E.
Fookes, B.
Fraser of Carmyllie, L.
Geddes, L.
Glenarthur, L.
Greenway, L.
Haslam, L.
Henley, L.
Hodgson of Astley Abbotts, L.
Kimball, L.
Lofthouse of Pontefract, L.
Luke, L.
Lyell, L.
McColl of Dulwich, L.
Mackay of Ardbrecknish, L.
Miller of Hendon, B.
Monro of Langholm, L.
Monson, L.
Montrose, D.
Nickson, L.
Northbourne, L.
Northbrook, L.
Northesk, E.
Palmer, L.
Park of Monmouth, B.
Parkinson, L.
Pearson of Rannoch, L.
Renton, L.
Roberts of Conwy, L.
Seccombe, B. [Teller]
Shaw of Northstead, L.
Shrewsbury, E.
Skelmersdale, L.
Sterling of Plaistow, L.
Stoddart of Swindon, L.
Strathclyde, L.
Trefgarne, L.
Vivian, L.
Waddington, L.
Weatherill, L.
Willoughby de Broke, L.
Young, B.
NOT-CONTENTS
Addington, L.
Allenby of Megiddo, V.
Alli, L. [Teller]
Amos, B.
Andrews, B.
Archer of Sandwell, L.
Bach, L.
Barker, B.
Bath and Wells, Bp.
Birt, L.
Blackstone, B.
Burlison, L.
Carter, L.
Clarke of Hampstead, L.
Crawley, B.
David, B.
Davies of Coity, L.
Dean of Thornton-le-Fylde, B.
Dubs, L.
Eatwell, L.
Elder, L.
Farrington of Ribbleton, B.
Gale, B.
Goldsmith, L.
Gordon of Strathblane, L.
Gould of Potternewton, B.
Hamwee, B.
Harris of Haringey, L.
Hilton of Eggardon, B. [Teller]
Hollis of Heigham, B.
Howells of St. Davids, B.
Layard, L.
Lea of Crondall, L.
Lockwood, B.
McIntosh of Haringey, L.
McIntosh of Hudnall, B.
Maddock, B.
Miller of Chilthorne Domer, B.
Norton of Louth, L.
Patel, L.
Phillips of Sudbury, L.
Portsmouth, Bp.
Ramsay of Cartvale, B.
Rennard, L.
Richard, L.
Russell, E.
Scott of Needham Market, B.
Sharp of Guildford, B.
Shutt of Greetland, L.
Smith of Clifton, L.
Smith of Leigh, L.
Symons of Vernham Dean, B.
Taylor of Blackburn, L.
Taylor of Gryfe, L.
Thomas of Walliswood, B.
Tomlinson, L.
Tope, L.
Tordoff, L.
Turner of Camden, B.
Wakefield, Bp.
Wallace of Saltaire, L.
Walpole, L.
Warwick of Undercliffe, B.
Wedderburn of Charlton, L.
Whitaker, B.
Wilkins, B.
Williams of Mostyn, L.
Winchester, Bp.
Young of Old Scone, B.
 
 
 
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