House of Lords Journal 233 (Session 1999-00)


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Monday 13 November 2000

The House met at half-past two o’clock.

The following Lords Spiritual and Temporal were present:

Irvine of Lairg, L.
(Lord Chancellor)

Aberdare, L.
Ackner, L.
Addington, L.
Allen of Abbeydale, L.
Allenby of Megiddo, V.
Alli, L.
Amos, B.
Ampthill, L.
Andrews, B.
Anelay of St Johns, B.
Archer of Sandwell, L.
Arran, E.
Ashley of Stoke, L.
Ashton of Upholland, B.
Astor, V.
Astor of Hever, L.
Attlee, E.
Avebury, L.
Bach, L.
Bagri, L.
Baker of Dorking, L.
Baldwin of Bewdley, E.
Barber, L.
Barker, B.
Barnett, L.
Bassam of Brighton, L.
Bath and Wells, Bp.
Beaumont of Whitley, L.
Bell, L.
Bellwin, L.
Belstead, L.
Billingham, B.
Birmingham, Bp.
Birt, L.
Blackstone, B.
Blackwell, L.
Blaker, L.
Blatch, B.
Blease, L.
Bledisloe, V.
Blood, B.
Boardman, L.
Borrie, L.
Boston of Faversham, L.
Bowness, L.
Brabazon of Tara, L.
Bragg, L.
Brennan, L.
Bridgeman, V.
Bridges, L.
Brightman, L.

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Brigstocke, B.
Brooke of Alverthorpe, L.
Brookman, L.
Brooks of Tremorfa, L.
Brougham and Vaux, L.
Bruce of Donington, L.
Burlison, L.
Burnham, L.
Burns, L.
Buscombe, B.
Butler of Brockwell, L.
Butterworth, L.
Byford, B.
Caithness, E.
Campbell of Alloway, L.
Campbell of Croy, L.
Carlile of Berriew, L.
Carlisle of Bucklow, L.
Carnarvon, E.
Carnegy of Lour, B.
Carr of Hadley, L.
Carter, L.
Chadlington, L.
Chalfont, L.
Chandos, V.
Chelmsford, Bp.
Chichester, Bp.
Christopher, L.
Clark of Kempston, L.
Clarke of Hampstead, L.
Cledwyn of Penrhos, L.
Clement-Jones, L.
Cockfield, L.
Cocks of Hartcliffe, L.
Cohen of Pimlico, B.
Colwyn, L.
Cooke of Thorndon, L.
Cope of Berkeley, L.
Courtown, E.
Cox, B.
Craig of Radley, L.
Craigavon, V.
Cranborne, V.
Crathorne, L.
Crawley, B.
Crickhowell, L.
Croham, L.
Cuckney, L.
Cumberlege, B.
Dahrendorf, L.
David, B.
Davies of Coity, L.
Davies of Oldham, L.
Dean of Harptree, L.
Dean of Thornton-le-Fylde, B.
Dearing, L.
Denham, L.
Desai, L.
Dholakia, L.
Dixon, L.
Dixon-Smith, L.
Donaldson of Lymington, L.
Donoughue, L.
Dubs, L.
Durham, Bp.
Eatwell, L.
Eden of Winton, L.
Elder, L.
Elles, B.
Elliott of Morpeth, L.
Elton, L.
Emerton, B.
Erroll, E.
Evans of Parkside, L.
Evans of Temple Guiting, L.
Ezra, L.
Falconer of Thoroton, L.
Falkland, V.
Farrington of Ribbleton, B.
Faulkner of Worcester, L.
Feldman, L.
Ferrers, E.
Filkin, L.
Fitt, L.
Flather, B.
Fookes, B.
Forsyth of Drumlean, L.
Fraser of Carmyllie, L.
Freeman, L.
Freyberg, L.
Fyfe of Fairfield, L.
Gale, B.
Gardner of Parkes, B.
Geddes, L.
Geraint, L.
Gibson, L.
Gilbert, L.
Gladwin of Clee, L.
Glenarthur, L.
Glentoran, L.
Goldsmith, L.
Goodhart, L.
Gordon of Strathblane, L.
Goschen, V.
Goudie, B.
Gould of Potternewton, B.
Grabiner, L.
Graham of Edmonton, L.
Gray of Contin, L.
Greenway, L.
Grenfell, L.
Griffiths of Fforestfach, L.
Guildford, Bp.
Hamwee, B.
Hanham, B.
Hanningfield, L.
Hanson, L.
Hardy of Wath, L.
Harris of Greenwich, L.
Harris of Haringey, L.
Harris of High Cross, L.
Harris of Peckham, L.
Harrison, L.
Haskel, L.
Haslam, L.
Hattersley, L.
Hayhoe, L.
Hayman, B.
Henley, L.
Higgins, L.
Hilton of Eggardon, B.
Hodgson of Astley Abbotts, L.
Hogg of Cumbernauld, L.
Holderness, L.
Hollick, L.
Hollis of Heigham, B.
Home, E.
Hooson, L.
Howe of Aberavon, L.
Howell of Guildford, L.
Howells of St. Davids, B.
Howie of Troon, L.
Hughes of Woodside, L.
Hunt of Chesterton, L.
Hunt of Kings Heath, L.
Hunt of Wirral, L.
Hurd of Westwell, L.
Hussey of North Bradley, L.
Hutchinson of Lullington, L.
Inglewood, L.
Islwyn, L.
Jacobs, L.
Janner of Braunstone, L.
Jay of Paddington, B.
Jeger, B.
Jellicoe, E.
Jenkins of Putney, L.
Jopling, L.
Judd, L.
Kennedy of The Shaws, B.
Kimball, L.
Kingsland, L.
Kirkhill, L.
Knight of Collingtree, B.
Laird, L.
Laming, L.
Lamont of Lerwick, L.
Lane, L.
Lawson of Blaby, L.
Layard, L.
Lea of Crondall, L.
Lichfield, Bp.
Lincoln, Bp.
Lindsay, E.
Lipsey, L.
Listowel, E.
Liverpool, E.
Lockwood, B.
Lofthouse of Pontefract, L.
Longford, E.
Lucas, L.
Luke, L.
Lyell, L.
McColl of Dulwich, L.
Macdonald of Tradeston, L.
McIntosh of Haringey, L.
McIntosh of Hudnall, B.
Mackay of Ardbrecknish, L.
MacKenzie of Culkein, L.
Mackenzie of Framwellgate, L.
McNally, L.
Maddock, B.
Mallalieu, B.
Manchester, Bp.
Mancroft, L.
Mar, C.
Marsh, L.
Mason of Barnsley, L.
Merlyn-Rees, L.
Miller of Chilthorne Domer, B.
Miller of Hendon, B.
Mishcon, L.
Molloy, L.
Molyneaux of Killead, L.
Monro of Langholm, L.
Monson, L.
Montagu of Beaulieu, L.

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Montrose, D.
Moore of Lower Marsh, L.
Moore of Wolvercote, L.
Morris of Manchester, L.
Mowbray and Stourton, L.
Murton of Lindisfarne, L.
Naseby, L.
Neill of Bladen, L.
Newby, L.
Newton of Braintree, L.
Nickson, L.
Noakes, B.
Norfolk, D.
Northbourne, L.
Northbrook, L.
Northesk, E.
Northover, B.
Norton of Louth, L.
Oakeshott of Seagrove Bay, L.
O’Cathain, B.
Onslow, E.
Oppenheim-Barnes, B.
Orme, L.
Oxford, Bp.
Oxfuird, V.
Palmer, L.
Palumbo, L.
Park of Monmouth, B.
Parkinson, L.
Patel, L.
Patel of Blackburn, L.
Paul, L.
Pearson of Rannoch, L.
Peel, E.
Perry of Walton, L.
Peston, L.
Peyton of Yeovil, L.
Phillips of Sudbury, L.
Pilkington of Oxenford, L.
Plant of Highfield, L.
Plummer of St. Marylebone, L.
Ponsonby of Shulbrede, L.
Porter of Luddenham, L.
Portsmouth, Bp.
Powell of Bayswater, L.
Prentice, L.
Prior, L.
Prys-Davies, L.
Puttnam, L.
Pym, L.
Quirk, L.
Ramsay of Cartvale, B.
Randall of St. Budeaux, L.
Rawlings, B.
Rawlinson of Ewell, L.
Razzall, L.
Reay, L.
Redesdale, L.
Rees, L.
Rees-Mogg, L.
Rendell of Babergh, B.
Renfrew of Kaimsthorn, L.
Rennard, L.
Renton, L.
Renton of Mount Harry, L.
Renwick of Clifton, L.
Richard, L.
Richardson of Calow, B.
Richardson of Duntisbourne, L.
Roberts of Conwy, L.
Rodgers of Quarry Bank, L.
Roll of Ipsden, L.
Roper, L.
Rotherwick, L.
Russell, E.
Ryder of Wensum, L.
Saatchi, L.
Sainsbury of Preston Candover, L.
St. John of Bletso, L.
Salisbury, Bp.
Saltoun of Abernethy, Ly.
Sandberg, L.
Sanderson of Bowden, L.
Sandwich, E.
Scott of Needham Market, B.
Seccombe, B.
Selborne, E.
Selsdon, L.
Serota, B.
Sharp of Guildford, B.
Shaw of Northstead, L.
Shepherd, L.
Shore of Stepney, L.
Shrewsbury, E.
Shutt of Greetland, L.
Simon, V.
Simon of Glaisdale, L.
Skelmersdale, L.
Skidelsky, L.
Slim, V.
Smith of Clifton, L.
Smith of Gilmorehill, B.
Smith of Leigh, L.
Soulsby of Swaffham Prior, L.
Stallard, L.
Steel of Aikwood, L.
Sterling of Plaistow, L.
Stevens of Ludgate, L.
Stewartby, L.
Stoddart of Swindon, L.
Strabolgi, L.
Strange, B.
Strathclyde, L.
Swinfen, L.
Symons of Vernham Dean, B.
Taverne, L.
Taylor of Blackburn, L.
Taylor of Gryfe, L.
Taylor of Warwick, L.
Tebbit, L.
Tenby, V.
Thatcher, B.
Thomas of Gresford, L.
Thomas of Gwydir, L.
Thomas of Walliswood, B.
Thornton, B.
Tombs, L.
Tomlinson, L.
Tope, L.
Tordoff, L.
Trefgarne, L.
Trumpington, B.
Tugendhat, L.
Turnberg, L.
Turner of Camden, B.
Uddin, B.
Vinson, L.
Vivian, L.
Waddington, L.
Wakefield, Bp.
Wakeham, L.
Walker of Doncaster, L.
Wallace of Saltaire, L.
Walmsley, B.
Walpole, L.
Walton of Detchant, L.
Warner, L.
Warnock, B.
Warwick of Undercliffe, B.
Watson of Richmond, L.
Waverley, V.
Weatherill, L.
Wedderburn of Charlton, L.
Whitaker, B.
Whitty, L.
Wigoder, L.
Wilberforce, L.
Wilcox, B.
Wilkins, B.
Williams of Elvel, L.
Williams of Mostyn, L.
Willoughby de Broke, L.
Winchester, Bp.
Winston, L.
Wolfson, L.
Woolmer of Leeds, L.
Wright of Richmond, L.
Young, B.
Young of Old Scone, B.

PRAYERS were read by the Lord Bishop of Birmingham.

Judicial Business

1.Chief Constable of West Yorkshire Police (Appellant) v. Khan (Respondent)—The appeal was set down for hearing and referred to an Appellate Committee.
2.BP Exploration Operating Company Limited (Appellants) v. Chevron Shipping Company (Respondents) (Scotland)—
3.BP Exploration Operating Company Limited (Appellants) v. Chevron Tankers (Bermuda) Limited (Respondents) (Scotland)—

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4.BP Exploration Operating Company Limited (Appellants) v. Chevron Transport Corporation (Respondents) (Scotland)—

(Conjoined Appeals)—

The petition of the appellants praying that the time for lodging the statement and appendix and setting down the cause for hearing might be extended to 22nd December next or to the third sitting day after the next ensuing meeting of the House (the agents for the respondents consenting thereto) was presented; and it was ordered as prayed (lodged 9th November).

5.Regina v. Secretary of State for the Home Department (Respondent) ex parte Daly (A.P.) (Appellant)—The petition of the appellant praying that the time for lodging the statement and appendix and setting down the cause for hearing might be extended to 22nd December next (the agents for the respondent consenting thereto) was presented; and it was ordered as prayed (lodged 10th November).
6.Invervale Limited (Appellants) v. Wimpey Homes Holdings Limited (Respondents) (Scotland)—The petition of the appellants praying that the time for lodging the statement and appendix and setting down the cause for hearing might be extended to 29th November next (the agents for the respondents consenting thereto) was presented; and it was ordered as prayed (lodged 8th November).
7.Spectrum Shopping Centres Limited (formerly Highland and Universal Properties Limited) (Respondents) v. Safeway Properties Limited (Appellants) (Scotland)—It was ordered that the appeal be dismissed in accordance with Standing Order VI (1), the appellants having failed to lodge the Statement and the Appendix thereto by 10th November; and that there be no order as to costs.

Papers

8.Instrument withdrawn—The following instrument, laid before the House on 8th November, was withdrawn:

Draft Scotland Act 1998 (Modifications of Schedule 5) Order 2000.

9.Command Papers—The following papers, having been presented to the House by command of Her Majesty on 10th November, were ordered to lie on the Table:
1.Science and Technology—Handbook of Science, Engineering and Technology Indicators;
 (4902)
2.Animals—European Convention for the Protection of Vertebrate Animals used for Experimental and other Scientific Purposes.
 (4906)
10.Statutory Instruments (Standing Order 70)—The following negative instruments, having been laid before the House on 10th November, were ordered to lie on the Table:
1.Judicial Pensions (Implementation of Pension Credits) Regulations 2000, laid under the Judicial Pensions and Retirement Act 1993;
 (2983)
2. (i)Judicial Pensions (Specification of Alternative Scheme) Regulations 2000;(2984)
(ii)Judicial Pensions Act 1981 (Amendment) Regulations 2000;(2985)
(iii)Judicial Pensions and Retirement Act 1993 (Amendment) Regulations 2000;(2986)
(iv)Pension Sharing (Contracting–out) (Consequential Amendments) Regulations 2000;(2975)
(v)Sheriffs’ Pensions (Scotland) Act 1961 (Amendment) Regulations 2000;(3032)
 laid under the Welfare Reform and Pensions Act 1999;
3.National Health Service (Optical Charges and Payments) Amendment (No. 2) Regulations 2000, laid under the National Health Service Act 1977;
 (3029)
4.Medicines (Products for Human Use—Fees) Amendment Regulations 2000, laid under the European Communities Act 1972;
 (3031)
5. (i)Teachers’ Pensions (Sharing of Pensions on Divorce or Annulment) Regulations 2000;(3028)
(ii)Local Government Pension Scheme (Pension Sharing on Divorce) Regulations 2000;(3025)
 laid under the Superannuation Act 1972.
11.Affirmative Instrument—The following instrument was laid before the House for approval by resolution and ordered to lie on the Table:

Draft Scotland Act 1998 (Modifications of Schedule 5) Order 2000.

12.Negative Instruments—The following instruments were laid before the House and ordered to lie on the Table:
1.Social Security (Recovery of Benefits) (Miscellaneous Amendments) Regulations 2000, laid under the Social Security (Recovery of Benefits) Act 1997;
 (3030)

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2.Medical Act 1983 (Provisional Registration) Regulations 2000, laid under the European Communities Act 1972;
 (3041)
3.Medical Act 1983 (Approved Medical Practices and Conditions of Residence) and National Health Service (General Medical Services) (Amendment) Regulations 2000, laid under the National Health Service Act 1977;
 (3040)
4.Asylum Support (Amendment) Regulations 2000, laid under the Immigration and Asylum Act 1999.
 (3053)
13.Papers not subject to parliamentary proceedings—The following papers were laid before the House and ordered to lie on the Table:
1.Report and Accounts for 1999–2000 of the Police Complaints Authority, together with the Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General, laid under the Police Act 1996;
2.Foreword and Accounts for 1999–2000 of the Millennium Commission, together with the Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General, laid under the National Lottery etc. Act 1993;
3.Statutory Return for 1999–2000 by the Export Credits Guarantee Department concerning commitments under the Export and Investment Guarantees Act 1991, laid under that Act.

Public Business

14.Procedure of the House—It was moved by the Chairman of Committees that the 4th Report from the Select Committee (HL Paper 113) be agreed to; the motion was agreed to.
15.Fur Farming (Prohibition) Bill—The bill was read a third time and, after debate, passed and returned to the Commons with amendments.
16.Sexual Offences (Amendment) Bill—The House resolved itself into a Committee upon the bill; amendments were agreed to (see division lists 1 and 2); amendments were agreed to; an amendment was disagreed to (see division list 3); amendments were moved and (by leave of the Committee) withdrawn; the House was resumed and the bill was reported with amendments; it was ordered that the bill be printed as amended. (HL Bill 128)

The House was adjourned at ten minutes before eleven o’clock
till tomorrow, half-past two o’clock.


DIVISIONS

Division No. 1

SEXUAL OFFENCES (AMENDMENT) BILL

It was moved by the Baroness Young, in Clause 1, page 1, line 5, to leave out subsections (1) to (4) and insert—

(“(1) In the Sexual Offences Act 1956, in sub-paragraphs (a) and (b) of paragraph 16 (indecency between men etc.) of Schedule 2 (punishments etc.), for the word “eighteen” there shall be substituted the word “sixteen”.

(2) In the Sexual Offences Act 1967—

(a) in subsection (1) of section 1 (amendment of law relating to homosexual acts in private), for the words “a homosexual act” there shall be substituted the words “an act of buggery in private with another man or commission of an act of buggery”;

(b) after subsection (1), there shall be inserted—

“(1A) Notwithstanding any statutory or common law provision, an act of gross indecency in private with another man or commission of an act of gross indecency shall not be an offence provided that the parties consent thereto and have attained the age of sixteen years.”;

(c) in subsection (3), after the words “subsection (1)” insert “or (1A)”;

(d) in place of subsection (6), there shall be substituted—

“(6) It is hereby declared that where in any proceedings it is charged that—

(a) an act of buggery with another man or being party to the commission of such an act is an offence the prosecutor shall have the burden of proving that the act was done otherwise than in private or otherwise than with the consent of the parties or that any of the parties had not attained the age of eighteen years;

(b) an act of gross indecency with another man or being party to the commission of such an act is an offence the prosecutor shall have the burden of proving that the act was done otherwise than in private or otherwise than with the consent of the parties or that any of the parties had not attained the age of sixteen years”; and

(e) in section 8 (restriction on prosecutions), for the words “against any man” to the end of section there shall be substituted—

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“(a) for the offence of buggery with another man, for attempting to commit an act of buggery, or for aiding, abetting, counselling, procuring or commanding its commission where either of those men was at the time if its commission under the age of eighteen;

(b) for the offence of gross indecency with another man, for attempting to commit an act of gross indecency, or for aiding, abetting, counselling, procuring or commanding its commission where either of those men was at the time if its commission under the age of sixteen.”.

(3) In section 13 of the Criminal Law (Consolidation) (Scotland) Act 1995 (homosexual offences)—

(a) in subsection (1) for the words “a homosexual act” there shall be substituted “an act of sodomy in private by one male person with another male person or commission of an act of sodomy”;

(b) after subsection (1), there shall be inserted—

“(1A) Subject to the provisions of this section, an act of gross indecency in private or shameless indecency in private by one male person with another male person or commission of such an act shall not be an offence provided that the parties consent thereto and have attained the age of sixteen years.”;

(c) in subsection (3), after the words “subsection (1)” insert “or (1A)”;

(d) in subsections (5) and (8), for the words “a homosexual act” there shall be substituted “an act of sodomy by one male person with another male person”;

(e) after subsection (5), there shall be inserted—

“(5A) Subject to subsection (3) above, it shall be an offence to commit or to be party to the commission of, or to procure or attempt to procure the commission of an act of gross indecency or shameless indecency by one male person with another male person—

(a) otherwise than in private;

(b) without the consent of both parties to the act; or

(c) with a person under the age of sixteen years.”; and

(f) after subsection (8), there shall be inserted—

“(8A) It shall be a defence to a charge of committing or to being party to the commission of, or to procuring or attempting to procure the commission of an act of gross indecency or shameless indecency by one male person with another male person under subsection (5A)(c) above that the person so charged being under the age of 24 who had not previously been charged with a like offence, had reasonable cause to believe that the other person was of or over the age of 16 years.”.

(4) In Article 3 of the Homosexual Offences (Northern Ireland) Order 1982 (homosexual acts in private)—

(a) in paragraph (1), for the words “a homosexual act in private” there shall be substituted “an act of buggery in private by a man with another man or commission of an act of buggery in private by a man with another man”;

(b) after paragraph (1), there shall be inserted—

“(1A) Subject to Article 123 of the Mental Health (Northern Ireland) Order 1986, and notwithstanding any other statutory provision or any rule of law, an act of gross indecency in private with another man or commission of an act of gross indecency with another man shall not be an offence provided that the parties consent thereto and have attained the age of 17 years.”;

(c) in paragraph (3), after the words “paragraph (1)” insert “or (1A)”; and

(d) in paragraph (5), for the words “a homosexual act” to the end there shall be substituted—

“(a) an act of buggery by a man with another man or being party to the commission of such an act is an offence the prosecutor shall have the burden of proving that the act was done otherwise than in private or otherwise than with the consent of the parties or that any of the parties had not attained the age of 18 years;

(b) an act of gross indecency with another man or being party to the commission of such an act is an offence the prosecutor shall have the burden of proving that the act was done otherwise than in private or otherwise than with the consent of the parties or that any of the parties had not attained the age of 17 years.”.”);

which being objected to, the question was put thereupon, and the Committee divided:

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Contents.............205

Not-Contents.............144

CONTENTS

Ackner, L.
Allenby of Megiddo, V.
Ampthill, L.
Arran, E.
Astor, V.
Astor of Hever, L.
Attlee, E.
Barber, L.
Beaumont of Whitley, L.
Bell, L.
Bellwin, L.
Belstead, L.
Blackwell, L.
Blaker, L.
Blatch, B.
Blease, L.
Boardman, L.
Bowness, L.
Brabazon of Tara, L.
Bridgeman, V.
Bridges, L.
Brigstocke, B.
Brookman, L.
Brougham and Vaux, L.
Burnham, L.
Buscombe, B.
Butterworth, L.
Byford, B.
Caithness, E.
Campbell of Alloway, L.
Campbell of Croy, L.
Carlisle of Bucklow, L.
Carnarvon, E.
Carnegy of Lour, B.
Carr of Hadley, L.
Chadlington, L.
Chalfont, L.
Chelmsford, Bp.
Clark of Kempston, L.
Clarke of Hampstead, L.
Cledwyn of Penrhos, L.
Cockfield, L.
Cocks of Hartcliffe, L.
Colwyn, L.
Cope of Berkeley, L.
Courtown, E.
Cox, B.
Craig of Radley, L.
Cranborne, V.
Crickhowell, L.
Croham, L.
Cuckney, L.
Cumberlege, B.
Davies of Coity, L.
Dean of Harptree, L.
Dearing, L.
Denham, L.
Dixon, L.
Dixon-Smith, L.
Donoughue, L.
Eden of Winton, L.
Elles, B.
Elliott of Morpeth, L.
Elton, L.
Feldman, L.
Ferrers, E.
Fitt, L.
Fookes, B.
Forsyth of Drumlean, L.
Fraser of Carmyllie, L.
Freeman, L.
Gardner of Parkes, B.
Geddes, L.
Gibson, L.
Glenarthur, L.
Glentoran, L.
Goschen, V.
Gray of Contin, L.
Greenway, L.
Griffiths of Fforestfach, L.
Hanham, B.
Hanson, L.
Harris of High Cross, L.
Harris of Peckham, L.
Haslam, L.
Hayhoe, L.
Henley, L.
Higgins, L.
Hodgson of Astley Abbotts, L.
Home, E.
Howe of Aberavon, L.
Howell of Guildford, L.
Hunt of Wirral, L.
Hurd of Westwell, L.
Hussey of North Bradley, L.
Inglewood, L.
Islwyn, L.
Jellicoe, E.
Jopling, L.
Kimball, L.
Kingsland, L.
Knight of Collingtree, B.
Laird, L.
Lamont of Lerwick, L.
Lane, L.
Lawson of Blaby, L.
Lichfield, Bp.
Liverpool, E.
Lofthouse of Pontefract, L.
Longford, E.
Luke, L.
Lyell, L.
McColl of Dulwich, L.
Mackay of Ardbrecknish, L.
Mancroft, L.
Mason of Barnsley, L.
Miller of Hendon, B.
Mishcon, L.
Monro of Langholm, L.
Monson, L.
Montrose, D.
Moore of Wolvercote, L.
Mowbray and Stourton, L.
Murton of Lindisfarne, L.
Naseby, L.
Neill of Bladen, L.
Nickson, L.
Noakes, B.
Norfolk, D.
Northbourne, L.
Northbrook, L.
Northesk, E.
O’Cathain, B.
Onslow, E.
Oppenheim-Barnes, B.
Orme, L.
Oxfuird, V.
Palmer, L.
Palumbo, L.
Park of Monmouth, B.
Parkinson, L.
Pearson of Rannoch, L.
Peel, E.
Peyton of Yeovil, L.
Pilkington of Oxenford, L.
Plummer of St. Marylebone, L.
Porter of Luddenham, L.
Powell of Bayswater, L.
Prentice, L.
Prior, L.
Pym, L.
Quirk, L.
Rawlings, B.
Rawlinson of Ewell, L.
Reay, L.
Rees, L.
Rees-Mogg, L.
Renton, L.
Renton of Mount Harry, L.
Richardson of Duntisbourne, L.
Roberts of Conwy, L.
Rotherwick, L.
Ryder of Wensum, L.
Saatchi, L.
Sainsbury of Preston Candover, L.
Saltoun of Abernethy, Ly.
Sanderson of Bowden, L.
Seccombe, B. [Teller]
Selsdon, L.
Shaw of Northstead, L.
Shore of Stepney, L.
Shrewsbury, E.
Simon, V.
Simon of Glaisdale, L.
Skelmersdale, L.
Slim, V.
Soulsby of Swaffham Prior, L.
Sterling of Plaistow, L.
Stevens of Ludgate, L.
Stewartby, L.
Stoddart of Swindon, L.
Strange, B.
Strathclyde, L.
Swinfen, L.
Taylor of Warwick, L.
Tebbit, L.
Tenby, V.
Thatcher, B.
Thomas of Gwydir, L.
Tombs, L.
Trefgarne, L.
Trumpington, B.
Vinson, L.
Vivian, L.
Waddington, L.

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Wakefield, Bp.
Wakeham, L.
Weatherill, L.
Wilberforce, L.
Wilcox, B.
Willoughby de Broke, L.
Winchester, Bp.
Wolfson, L.
Wright of Richmond, L.
Young, B. [Teller]

NOT-CONTENTS

Addington, L.
Alli, L.
Amos, B.
Andrews, B.
Archer of Sandwell, L.
Ashton of Upholland, B.
Bach, L.
Barker, B.
Barnett, L.
Bassam of Brighton, L.
Bath and Wells, Bp.
Birmingham, Bp.
Birt, L.
Blackstone, B.
Bledisloe, V.
Borrie, L.
Bragg, L.
Brennan, L.
Brooke of Alverthorpe, L.
Burlison, L.
Burns, L.
Carter, L.
Chandos, V.
Christopher, L.
Clement-Jones, L.
Cohen of Pimlico, B.
Craigavon, V.
David, B.
Davies of Oldham, L.
Dean of Thornton-le-Fylde, B.
Desai, L.
Dholakia, L.
Dubs, L.
Eatwell, L.
Elder, L.
Evans of Temple Guiting, L.
Ezra, L.
Falconer of Thoroton, L.
Falkland, V.
Farrington of Ribbleton, B.
Faulkner of Worcester, L.
Freyberg, L.
Gale, B.
Goldsmith, L.
Goodhart, L.
Gordon of Strathblane, L.
Gould of Potternewton, B.
Graham of Edmonton, L.
Grenfell, L.
Hamwee, B.
Harris of Greenwich, L.
Harrison, L.
Haskel, L.
Hayman, B.
Hilton of Eggardon, B. [Teller]
Hogg of Cumbernauld, L.
Hollis of Heigham, B.
Howells of St. Davids, B.
Howie of Troon, L.
Hughes of Woodside, L.
Hunt of Chesterton, L.
Hunt of Kings Heath, L.
Hutchinson of Lullington, L.
Irvine of Lairg, L.
(Lord Chancellor)
Jacobs, L.
Janner of Braunstone, L.
Jay of Paddington, B.
(Lord Privy Seal)
Jeger, B.
Jenkins of Putney, L.
Judd, L.
Kennedy of The Shaws, B.
Lea of Crondall, L.
Lincoln, Bp.
Lipsey, L.
Listowel, E.
Lockwood, B.
Macdonald of Tradeston, L.
McIntosh of Haringey, L.
McIntosh of Hudnall, B.
MacKenzie of Culkein, L.
Maddock, B.
Mallalieu, B.
Marsh, L.
Merlyn-Rees, L.
Miller of Chilthorne Domer, B.
Molloy, L.
Morris of Manchester, L.
Newby, L.
Northover, B.
Norton of Louth, L.
Oakeshott of Seagrove Bay, L.
Oxford, Bp.
Patel, L.
Peston, L.
Phillips of Sudbury, L.
Plant of Highfield, L.
Ponsonby of Shulbrede, L.
Puttnam, L.
Ramsay of Cartvale, B.
Razzall, L.
Rendell of Babergh, B.
Rennard, L.
Richard, L.
Richardson of Calow, B.
Rodgers of Quarry Bank, L.
Roll of Ipsden, L.
Roper, L.
Russell, E. [Teller]
Scott of Needham Market, B.
Serota, B.
Shepherd, L.
Shutt of Greetland, L.
Skidelsky, L.
Smith of Gilmorehill, B.
Smith of Leigh, L.
Strabolgi, L.
Symons of Vernham Dean, B.
Taverne, L.
Taylor of Blackburn, L.
Taylor of Gryfe, L.
Thomas of Walliswood, B.
Thornton, B.
Tomlinson, L.
Tope, L.
Tordoff, L.
Turnberg, L.
Turner of Camden, B.
Wallace of Saltaire, L.
Walmsley, B.
Walpole, L.
Walton of Detchant, L.
Warner, L.
Warnock, B.
Warwick of Undercliffe, B.
Watson of Richmond, L.
Wedderburn of Charlton, L.
Whitaker, B.
Whitty, L.
Wilkins, B.
Williams of Elvel, L.
Williams of Mostyn, L.
Winston, L.
Woolmer of Leeds, L.
Young of Old Scone, B.

Division No. 2

SEXUAL OFFENCES (AMENDMENT) BILL

It was moved by the Baroness Blatch, in Clause 3, page 3, line 2, at end to insert (“, including preparing such a person to engage in sexual activity with him at a later stage,”); which being objected to, the question was put thereupon, and the Committee divided:

NOT-CONTENTS

Contents.............139

Not-Contents.............124

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Ackner, L.
Allenby of Megiddo, V.
Ampthill, L.
Anelay of St Johns, B.
Arran, E.
Astor of Hever, L.
Attlee, E.
Barber, L.
Bell, L.
Blackwell, L.
Blaker, L.
Blatch, B. [Teller]
Boardman, L.
Brabazon of Tara, L.
Bridgeman, V.
Brightman, L.
Brigstocke, B.
Brougham and Vaux, L.
Burnham, L.
Byford, B.
Caithness, E.
Campbell of Alloway, L.
Campbell of Croy, L.
Carlisle of Bucklow, L.
Carnegy of Lour, B.
Carr of Hadley, L.
Chadlington, L.
Chelmsford, Bp.
Clark of Kempston, L.
Cocks of Hartcliffe, L.
Colwyn, L.
Courtown, E.
Cox, B.
Craig of Radley, L.
Cranborne, V.
Crickhowell, L.
Cumberlege, B.
Dean of Harptree, L.
Denham, L.
Dixon, L.
Dixon-Smith, L.
Eden of Winton, L.
Elliott of Morpeth, L.
Elton, L.
Feldman, L.
Ferrers, E.
Fitt, L.
Fookes, B.
Forsyth of Drumlean, L.
Freeman, L.
Gardner of Parkes, B.
Geddes, L.
Glenarthur, L.
Glentoran, L.
Goschen, V.
Gray of Contin, L.
Greenway, L.
Griffiths of Fforestfach, L.
Hanson, L.
Harris of High Cross, L.
Harris of Peckham, L.
Haslam, L.
Hayhoe, L.
Henley, L.
Hodgson of Astley Abbotts, L.
Holderness, L.
Home, E.
Inglewood, L.
Islwyn, L.
Jellicoe, E.
Jopling, L.
Kimball, L.
Knight of Collingtree, B.
Laird, L.
Liverpool, E.
Lofthouse of Pontefract, L.
Luke, L.
Lyell, L.
McColl of Dulwich, L.
Mackay of Ardbrecknish, L.
Mancroft, L.
Miller of Hendon, B.
Monro of Langholm, L.
Montrose, D.
Mowbray and Stourton, L.
Murton of Lindisfarne, L.
Naseby, L.
Nickson, L.
Noakes, B.
Norfolk, D.
Northbrook, L.
Northesk, E.
O’Cathain, B.
Onslow, E.
Oppenheim-Barnes, B.
Orme, L.
Palmer, L.
Palumbo, L.
Park of Monmouth, B.
Parkinson, L.
Pearson of Rannoch, L.
Peel, E.
Pilkington of Oxenford, L.
Prentice, L.
Rawlings, B.
Reay, L.
Renton, L.
Roberts of Conwy, L.
Rotherwick, L.
Saltoun of Abernethy, Ly.
Sanderson of Bowden, L.
Seccombe, B. [Teller]
Selsdon, L.
Shaw of Northstead, L.
Shrewsbury, E.
Simon, V.
Skelmersdale, L.
Slim, V.
Sterling of Plaistow, L.
Stevens of Ludgate, L.
Stewartby, L.
Stoddart of Swindon, L.
Strange, B.
Swinfen, L.
Taylor of Warwick, L.
Tebbit, L.
Thatcher, B.
Thomas of Gwydir, L.
Tombs, L.
Trefgarne, L.
Trumpington, B.
Vivian, L.
Waddington, L.
Wakefield, Bp.
Wakeham, L.
Weatherill, L.
Wilcox, B.
Wolfson, L.
Young, B.

NOT-CONTENTS

Addington, L.
Alli, L.
Amos, B.
Andrews, B.
Archer of Sandwell, L.
Bach, L.
Barker, B.
Barnett, L.
Bassam of Brighton, L.
Bath and Wells, Bp.
Birmingham, Bp.
Birt, L.
Blackstone, B.
Bragg, L.
Brennan, L.
Brooke of Alverthorpe, L.
Burlison, L.
Burns, L.
Carter, L.
Chandos, V.
Clarke of Hampstead, L.
Clement-Jones, L.
Craigavon, V.
Crawley, B.
David, B.
Davies of Coity, L.
Davies of Oldham, L.
Dean of Thornton-le-Fylde, B.
Dholakia, L.
Dubs, L.
Eatwell, L.
Elder, L.
Falconer of Thoroton, L.
Farrington of Ribbleton, B.
Faulkner of Worcester, L.
Filkin, L.
Gale, B.
Geraint, L.
Goldsmith, L.
Goodhart, L.
Gordon of Strathblane, L.
Gould of Potternewton, B.
Grabiner, L.
Hamwee, B.
Harris of Greenwich, L.
Harris of Haringey, L.
Harrison, L.
Haskel, L.
Hattersley, L.
Hilton of Eggardon, B. [Teller]
Hogg of Cumbernauld, L.
Hollis of Heigham, B.
Howells of St. Davids, B.
Howie of Troon, L.
Hughes of Woodside, L.
Hunt of Chesterton, L.
Hunt of Kings Heath, L.
Jacobs, L.
Jay of Paddington, B.
(Lord Privy Seal)

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Jeger, B.
Kennedy of The Shaws, B.
Layard, L.
Lea of Crondall, L.
Lincoln, Bp.
Lipsey, L.
Listowel, E.
Lockwood, B.
Macdonald of Tradeston, L.
McIntosh of Haringey, L.
McIntosh of Hudnall, B.
MacKenzie of Culkein, L.
Maddock, B.
Mallalieu, B.
Manchester, Bp.
Miller of Chilthorne Domer, B.
Northbourne, L.
Northover, B.
Norton of Louth, L.
Oakeshott of Seagrove Bay, L.
Patel, L.
Peston, L.
Phillips of Sudbury, L.
Plant of Highfield, L.
Ponsonby of Shulbrede, L.
Portsmouth, Bp.
Puttnam, L.
Ramsay of Cartvale, B.
Randall of St. Budeaux, L.
Razzall, L.
Rennard, L.
Richardson of Calow, B.
Roper, L.
Russell, E. [Teller]
Scott of Needham Market, B.
Serota, B.
Sharp of Guildford, B.
Shutt of Greetland, L.
Skidelsky, L.
Smith of Clifton, L.
Smith of Leigh, L.
Symons of Vernham Dean, B.
Taylor of Blackburn, L.
Taylor of Gryfe, L.
Thomas of Walliswood, B.
Tomlinson, L.
Tope, L.
Tordoff, L.
Turner of Camden, B.
Wallace of Saltaire, L.
Walmsley, B.
Walpole, L.
Warner, L.
Warnock, B.
Warwick of Undercliffe, B.
Watson of Richmond, L.
Wedderburn of Charlton, L.
Whitaker, B.
Whitty, L.
Wilkins, B.
Williams of Mostyn, L.
Winchester, Bp.
Winston, L.
Woolmer of Leeds, L.
Young of Old Scone, B.

Division No. 3

SEXUAL OFFENCES (AMENDMENT) BILL

It was moved by the Baroness Blatch, in Clause 4, page 3, line 34, to leave out (“four”) and insert (“five”); which being objected to, the question was put thereupon, and the Committee divided:

Contents.............56

Not-Contents.............69

CONTENTS

Ampthill, L.
Attlee, E.
Blatch, B. [Teller]
Boardman, L.
Bridgeman, V.
Byford, B.
Carlisle of Bucklow, L.
Cocks of Hartcliffe, L.
Crathorne, L.
Cumberlege, B.
Dean of Harptree, L.
Dixon, L.
Dixon-Smith, L.
Elton, L.
Ferrers, E.
Fookes, B.
Fraser of Carmyllie, L.
Geddes, L.
Glenarthur, L.
Greenway, L.
Haslam, L.
Henley, L.
Hodgson of Astley Abbotts, L.
Kimball, L.
Lofthouse of Pontefract, L.
Luke, L.
Lyell, L.
McColl of Dulwich, L.
Mackay of Ardbrecknish, L.
Miller of Hendon, B.
Monro of Langholm, L.
Monson, L.
Montrose, D.
Nickson, L.
Northbourne, L.
Northbrook, L.
Northesk, E.
Palmer, L.
Park of Monmouth, B.
Parkinson, L.
Pearson of Rannoch, L.
Renton, L.
Roberts of Conwy, L.
Seccombe, B. [Teller]
Shaw of Northstead, L.
Shrewsbury, E.
Skelmersdale, L.
Sterling of Plaistow, L.
Stoddart of Swindon, L.
Strathclyde, L.
Trefgarne, L.
Vivian, L.
Waddington, L.
Weatherill, L.
Willoughby de Broke, L.
Young, B.

NOT-CONTENTS

Addington, L.
Allenby of Megiddo, V.
Alli, L. [Teller]
Amos, B.
Andrews, B.
Archer of Sandwell, L.
Bach, L.
Barker, B.
Bath and Wells, Bp.
Birt, L.
Blackstone, B.
Burlison, L.
Carter, L.
Clarke of Hampstead, L.
Crawley, B.
David, B.
Davies of Coity, L.
Dean of Thornton-le-Fylde, B.
Dubs, L.
Eatwell, L.
Elder, L.
Farrington of Ribbleton, B.
Gale, B.
Goldsmith, L.
Gordon of Strathblane, L.
Gould of Potternewton, B.
Hamwee, B.
Harris of Haringey, L.
Hilton of Eggardon, B. [Teller]
Hollis of Heigham, B.
Howells of St. Davids, B.
Layard, L.
Lea of Crondall, L.
Lockwood, B.
McIntosh of Haringey, L.
McIntosh of Hudnall, B.
Maddock, B.
Miller of Chilthorne Domer, B.
Norton of Louth, L.

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Patel, L.
Phillips of Sudbury, L.
Portsmouth, Bp.
Ramsay of Cartvale, B.
Rennard, L.
Richard, L.
Russell, E.
Scott of Needham Market, B.
Sharp of Guildford, B.
Shutt of Greetland, L.
Smith of Clifton, L.
Smith of Leigh, L.
Symons of Vernham Dean, B.
Taylor of Blackburn, L.
Taylor of Gryfe, L.
Thomas of Walliswood, B.
Tomlinson, L.
Tope, L.
Tordoff, L.
Turner of Camden, B.
Wakefield, Bp.
Wallace of Saltaire, L.
Walpole, L.
Warwick of Undercliffe, B.
Wedderburn of Charlton, L.
Whitaker, B.
Wilkins, B.
Williams of Mostyn, L.
Winchester, Bp.
Young of Old Scone, B.