House of Lords Journal 233 (Session 1999-00)


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Monday 15 May 2000

The House met at half-past two o’clock.

The following Lords Spiritual and Temporal were present:

Irvine of Lairg, L.
(Lord Chancellor)

Ackner, L.
Acton, L.
Addington, L.
Ahmed, L.
Allen of Abbeydale, L.
Alli, L.
Alton of Liverpool, L.
Amos, B.
Ampthill, L.
Anelay of St Johns, B.
Archer of Sandwell, L.
Arran, E.
Ashley of Stoke, L.
Ashton of Upholland, B.
Astor, V.
Astor of Hever, L.
Attlee, E.
Avebury, L.
Bach, L.
Baker of Dorking, L.
Baldwin of Bewdley, E.
Barber, L.
Barker, B.
Barnett, L.
Bassam of Brighton, L.
Beaumont of Whitley, L.
Bellwin, L.
Berkeley, L.
Biffen, L.
Billingham, B.
Blaker, L.
Blatch, B.
Blease, L.
Bledisloe, V.
Blood, B.
Boardman, L.
Borrie, L.
Boston of Faversham, L.
Bowness, L.
Brabazon of Tara, L.
Bradshaw, L.
Bragg, L.
Brennan, L.
Brett, L.
Bridgeman, V.
Brightman, L.
Bristol, Bp.
Brooke of Alverthorpe, L.
Brookman, L.
Brooks of Tremorfa, L.
Brougham and Vaux, L.
Bruce of Donington, L.
Burlison, L.
Burnham, L.
Burns, L.
Buscombe, B.
Butterworth, L.
Byford, B.
Caithness, E.
Campbell of Alloway, L.
Campbell of Croy, L.
Carnegy of Lour, B.
Carter, L.
Castle of Blackburn, B.
Chandos, V.
Christopher, L.
Clark of Kempston, L.
Clarke of Hampstead, L.
Cledwyn of Penrhos, L.

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Clement-Jones, L.
Clinton-Davis, L.
Cockfield, L.
Cocks of Hartcliffe, L.
Cohen of Pimlico, B.
Colwyn, L.
Cooke of Thorndon, L.
Cope of Berkeley, L.
Courtown, E.
Craig of Radley, L.
Craigavon, V.
Crathorne, L.
Crawley, B.
Crickhowell, L.
Cumberlege, B.
Dahrendorf, L.
Darcy de Knayth, B.
David, B.
Davies of Coity, L.
Davies of Oldham, L.
Dean of Harptree, L.
Dean of Thornton-le-Fylde, B.
Deedes, L.
Denham, L.
Dholakia, L.
Dixon-Smith, L.
Donoughue, L.
Dormand of Easington, L.
Dubs, L.
Dundee, E.
Eatwell, L.
Eccles of Moulton, B.
Eden of Winton, L.
Elder, L.
Elles, B.
Elliott of Morpeth, L.
Elton, L.
Erroll, E.
Evans of Parkside, L.
Ezra, L.
Falkland, V.
Farrington of Ribbleton, B.
Faulkner of Worcester, L.
Ferrers, E.
Filkin, L.
Fitt, L.
Flather, B.
Flowers, L.
Fookes, B.
Fraser of Carmyllie, L.
Freyberg, L.
Gale, B.
Gardner of Parkes, B.
Garel-Jones, L.
Gavron, L.
Geddes, L.
Geraint, L.
Gibson, L.
Gibson of Market Rasen, B.
Glentoran, L.
Goldsmith, L.
Goodhart, L.
Gordon of Strathblane, L.
Goschen, V.
Goudie, B.
Gould of Potternewton, B.
Grabiner, L.
Graham of Edmonton, L.
Gray of Contin, L.
Greengross, B.
Greenway, L.
Gregson, L.
Grenfell, L.
Hamwee, B.
Hanningfield, L.
Hardy of Wath, L.
Harris of Greenwich, L.
Harris of Haringey, L.
Harris of Richmond, B.
Harrison, L.
Haskel, L.
Hayhoe, L.
Henley, L.
Higgins, L.
Hilton of Eggardon, B.
Holderness, L.
Hollis of Heigham, B.
Holme of Cheltenham, L.
Home, E.
Hooper, B.
Hooson, L.
Howe, E.
Howell of Guildford, L.
Howells of St. Davids, B.
Howie of Troon, L.
Hoyle, L.
Hughes of Woodside, L.
Hunt of Kings Heath, L.
Hunt of Tanworth, L.
Hunt of Wirral, L.
Hylton-Foster, B.
Inge, L.
Islwyn, L.
Jacobs, L.
Janner of Braunstone, L.
Jay of Paddington, B.
Jeger, B.
Jellicoe, E.
Jenkin of Roding, L.
Jenkins of Hillhead, L.
Jenkins of Putney, L.
Jopling, L.
Kingsland, L.
Kirkhill, L.
Laird, L.
Lamont of Lerwick, L.
Lawson of Blaby, L.
Layard, L.
Lea of Crondall, L.
Lester of Herne Hill, L.
Levy, L.
Lindsay, E.
Linklater of Butterstone, B.
Lipsey, L.
Lockwood, B.
Lofthouse of Pontefract, L.
Lucas, L.
Luke, L.
McColl of Dulwich, L.
McIntosh of Haringey, L.
McIntosh of Hudnall, B.
Mackay of Ardbrecknish, L.
MacKenzie of Culkein, L.
Mackenzie of Framwellgate, L.
Mackie of Benshie, L.
MacLaurin of Knebworth, L.
Maddock, B.
Mallalieu, B.
Mancroft, L.
Mar, C.
Mar and Kellie, E.
Marsh, L.
Masham of Ilton, B.
Mason of Barnsley, L.
Massey of Darwen, B.
Mayhew of Twysden, L.
Merlyn-Rees, L.
Methuen, L.
Miller of Chilthorne Domer, B.
Miller of Hendon, B.
Milner of Leeds, L.
Mishcon, L.
Molloy, L.
Molyneaux of Killead, L.
Monro of Langholm, L.
Montagu of Beaulieu, L.
Moore of Wolvercote, L.
Morris of Castle Morris, L.
Morris of Manchester, L.
Mowbray and Stourton, L.
Moynihan, L.
Murray of Epping Forest, L.
Murton of Lindisfarne, L.
Naseby, L.
Newby, L.
Newton of Braintree, L.
Nicholson of Winterbourne, B.
Northbrook, L.
Northesk, E.
Northfield, L.
Northover, B.
O’Cathain, B.
Onslow, E.
Oxfuird, V.
Palmer, L.
Park of Monmouth, B.
Patel, L.
Patel of Blackburn, L.
Paul, L.
Pearson of Rannoch, L.
Perry of Southwark, B.
Perry of Walton, L.
Peston, L.
Peyton of Yeovil, L.
Phillips of Sudbury, L.
Pilkington of Oxenford, L.
Pitkeathley, B.
Plant of Highfield, L.
Platt of Writtle, B.
Ponsonby of Shulbrede, L.
Prashar, B.
Prys-Davies, L.
Puttnam, L.
Pym, L.
Quirk, L.
Ramsay of Cartvale, B.
Randall of St. Budeaux, L.
Rawlings, B.
Razzall, L.
Rea, L.
Redesdale, L.
Rees, L.
Rendell of Babergh, B.
Rennard, L.
Renton, L.
Renton of Mount Harry, L.
Renwick of Clifton, L.

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Richard, L.
Rix, L.
Roberts of Conwy, L.
Rodgers of Quarry Bank, L.
Rogers of Riverside, L.
Rotherwick, L.
Russell, E.
Ryder of Wensum, L.
St. John of Bletso, L.
St. John of Fawsley, L.
Saltoun of Abernethy, Ly.
Sandberg, L.
Sawyer, L.
Scotland of Asthal, B.
Scott of Needham Market, B.
Seccombe, B.
Selborne, E.
Serota, B.
Sewel, L.
Sharples, B.
Shaw of Northstead, L.
Shepherd, L.
Shore of Stepney, L.
Simon, V.
Simon of Glaisdale, L.
Skelmersdale, L.
Slim, V.
Slynn of Hadley, L.
Smith of Gilmorehill, B.
Soulsby of Swaffham Prior, L.
Stern, B.
Stewartby, L.
Stoddart of Swindon, L.
Stone of Blackheath, L.
Strabolgi, L.
Strathclyde, L.
Swinfen, L.
Symons of Vernham Dean, B.
Tanlaw, L.
Taylor of Blackburn, L.
Taylor of Warwick, L.
Tebbit, L.
Tenby, V.
Thomas of Swynnerton, L.
Thomas of Walliswood, B.
Thomson of Monifieth, L.
Thornton, B.
Tomlinson, L.
Tope, L.
Tordoff, L.
Turnberg, L.
Turner of Camden, B.
Uddin, B.
Waddington, L.
Wade of Chorlton, L.
Wakeham, L.
Walker of Doncaster, L.
Wallace of Saltaire, L.
Walton of Detchant, L.
Warner, L.
Warnock, B.
Warwick of Undercliffe, B.
Watson of Richmond, L.
Waverley, V.
Weatherill, L.
Whitaker, B.
Wigoder, L.
Wilberforce, L.
Wilcox, B.
Wilkins, B.
Williams of Crosby, B.
Williams of Mostyn, L.
Williamson of Horton, L.
Windlesham, L.
Woolmer of Leeds, L.
Wright of Richmond, L.
Young, B.

PRAYERS were read by the Lord Bishop of Bristol.

1.Baroness Scott of Needham Market—Rosalind Carol Scott, having been created Baroness Scott of Needham Market, of Needham Market in the County of Suffolk, for life by Letters Patent dated in the forenoon of 11th May 2000 (see appendix 1), was introduced between the Lord Tope and the Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer, the Gentleman Usher of the Black Rod and Garter King of Arms preceding; and took and subscribed the oath pursuant to statute.
2.Baroness Gibson of Market Rasen—Anne Gibson, OBE, having been created Baroness Gibson of Market Rasen, of Market Rasen in the County of Lincolnshire, for life by Letters Patent dated in the forenoon of 9th May 2000 (see appendix 2), was introduced between the Baroness Gould of Potternewton and the Lord Hoyle, the Gentleman Usher of the Black Rod and Garter King of Arms preceding; and took and subscribed the oath pursuant to statute.

Judicial Business

3.MHC Consulting Services Limited (Respondents) v. Tansell (Respondent) and others (Petitioners) and others—The petition of the Abbey Life Assurance Company Limited praying for leave to appeal was presented and referred to an Appeal Committee (lodged 3rd May).
4.Pemberton (Respondent) v. London Borough of Southwark (Petitioners)—The petition of the London Borough of Southwark praying for leave to appeal was presented and referred to an Appeal Committee.
5.Nugent and another (suing as executors of Matthew Charles David Harding (deceased)) (Petitioners) v. Michael Goss Aviation Limited and others (Respondents) and others—The petition of Margaret Rose Nugent and Mark John Killick praying for leave to appeal was presented and referred to an Appeal Committee.

Papers

6.Affirmative Instrument—The following instrument was laid before the House for approval by resolution and ordered to lie on the Table:

Draft Flags (Northern Ireland) Order 2000.

7.Negative Instruments—The following instruments were laid before the House and ordered to lie on the Table:
1.Food Protection (Emergency Prohibitions) (Oil and Chemical Pollution of Fish) No. 2 Order 1993 (Revocation) (England, Wales and Northern Ireland) Order 2000, laid under the Scotland Act 1998;
 (1314)
2. (i)In Vitro Diagnostic Medical Devices Regulations 2000—(1315)
(ii)Drinking Water (Undertakings) (England and Wales) Regulations 2000—(1297)
 laid under the European Communities Act 1972;

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3. (i)Gaming Act (Variation of Monetary Limits) Order 2000—(1213)
(ii)Gaming Act (Variation of Fees) Order 2000—(1212)
 laid under the Gaming Act 1968;
4.Gaming (Bingo) Act (Fees) (Amendment) Order 2000, laid under the Gaming (Bingo) Act 1985;
 (1211)
5.Lotteries (Gaming Board Fees) Order 2000, laid under the Lotteries and Amusements Act 1976;
 (1210)
6. (i)GLA Side Roads (London Borough of Croydon) Designation Order 2000—(1263)
(ii)GLA Side Roads (London Borough of Bexley) Designation Order 2000—(1258)
(iii)GLA Side Roads (London Borough of Barnet) Designation Order 2000—(1257)
(iv)GLA Side Roads (London Borough of Camden) Designation Order 2000—(1261)
(v)GLA Side Roads (London Borough of Barking and Dagenham) Designation Order 2000—(1256)
(vi)GLA Side Roads (London Borough of Bromley) Designation Order 2000—(1260)
(vii)GLA Side Roads (London Borough of Brent) Designation Order 2000—(1259)
(viii)GLA Side Roads (City of London) Designation Order 2000—(1262)
 laid under the Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984;
7.Civil Procedure (Amendment No. 3) Rules 2000, laid under the Civil Procedure Act 1997.
 (1317)

Public Business

8.Street Works Bill [HL]—A bill to make provision for charges for the occupation of a maintainable highway by undertakers executing street works was presented by the Lord Peyton of Yeovil, read a first time and ordered to be printed. (HL Bill Bill 66)
9.Child Support, Pensions and Social Security Bill—The House again resolved itself into a Committee upon the bill; amendments were moved and (by leave of the Committee) withdrawn; amendments were agreed to; the House was resumed for a statement; the House again resolved itself into a Committee upon the bill; amendments were moved and (by leave of the Committee) withdrawn; the House was resumed.
10.National Health Service: Infection control—The Baroness Masham of Ilton asked Her Majesty’s Government what action they are taking to ensure that the Government guidelines on infection control in hospitals are being implemented by National Health Service Trusts; after debate, the question was answered by the Lord Hunt of Kings Heath.
11.Child Support, Pensions and Social Security Bill—The House again resolved itself into a Committee upon the bill; amendments were moved and (by leave of the Committee) withdrawn; an amendment was agreed to (see division list); the House was resumed after Schedule 5 was agreed to.

The House was adjourned at twenty-seven minutes before one o’clock
in the morning of Tuesday 16th May
till later the same day, half-past two o’clock in the afternoon.


DIVISION

CHILD SUPPORT, PENSIONS AND SOCIAL SECURITY BILL

It was moved by the Lord Astor of Hever after Clause 41 to insert the new Clause (concurrent holding of pensions); which being objected to, the question was put thereupon, and the Committee divided:

Contents.............22

Not-Contents.............11

CONTENTS

Addington, L.
Anelay of St. Johns, B.
Astor of Hever, L. [Teller]
Blatch, B.
Buscombe, B.
Byford, B.
Cope of Berkeley, L.
Dean of Harptree, L.
Fookes, B.
Goodhart, L.
Henley, L. [Teller]
Higgins, L.
Hooper, B.
Luke, L.
Mackay of Ardbrecknish, L.
Mancroft, L.
Monro of Langholm, L.
Northbrook, L.
Northesk, E.
Russell, E.
Turner of Camden, B.
Wilcox, B.

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NOT-CONTENTS

Amos, B.
Carter, L. [Teller]
Crawley, B.
Gale, B.
Greengross, B.
Hollis of Heigham, B.
Hoyle, L.
Irvine of Lairg, L.
(Lord Chancellor)
McIntosh of Haringey, L. [Teller]
Massey of Darwen, B.
Pitkeathley, B.



APPENDIX 1

ELIZABETH THE SECOND by the Grace of God of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and of Our other Realms and Territories Queen Head of the Commonwealth Defender of the Faith To all Lords Spiritual and Temporal and all other Our Subjects whatsoever to whom these Presents shall come Greeting Know Ye that We of Our especial grace certain knowledge and mere motion in pursuance of the Life Peerages Act 1958 and of all other powers in that behalf Us enabling do by these Presents advance create and prefer Our trusty and well beloved Rosalind Carol Scott to the state degree style dignity title and honour of Baroness Scott of Needham Market of Needham Market in Our County of Suffolk

And for Us Our heirs and successors do appoint give and grant unto her the said name state degree style dignity title and honour of Baroness Scott of Needham Market to have and to hold unto her for her life

Willing and by these Presents granting for Us Our heirs and successors that she may have hold and possess a seat place and voice in the Parliaments and Public Assemblies and Councils of Us Our heirs and successors within Our United Kingdom amongst the Barons And also that she may enjoy and use all the rights privileges pre-eminences immunities and advantages to the degree of a Baron duly and of right belonging which Barons of Our United Kingdom have heretofore used and enjoyed or as they do at present use and enjoy

In Witness whereof We have caused these Our Letters to be made Patent Witness Ourself at Westminster in the forenoon of the eleventh day of May in the forty-ninth year of Our Reign

BY WARRANT UNDER THE QUEEN’S SIGN MANUAL


APPENDIX 2

ELIZABETH THE SECOND by the Grace of God of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and of Our other Realms and Territories Queen Head of the Commonwealth Defender of the Faith To all Lords Spiritual and Temporal and all other Our Subjects whatsoever to whom these Presents shall come Greeting Know Ye that We of Our especial grace certain knowledge and mere motion in pursuance of the Life Peerages Act 1958 and of all other powers in that behalf Us enabling do by these Presents advance create and prefer Our trusty and well beloved Anne Gibson Officer of Our Most Excellent Order of the British Empire to the state degree style dignity title and honour of Baroness Gibson of Market Rasen of Market Rasen in Our County of Lincolnshire

And for Us Our heirs and successors do appoint give and grant unto her the said name state degree style dignity title and honour of Baroness Gibson of Market Rasen to have and to hold unto her for her life

Willing and by these Presents granting for Us Our heirs and successors that she may have hold and possess a seat place and voice in the Parliaments and Public Assemblies and Councils of Us Our heirs and successors within Our United Kingdom amongst the Barons And also that she may enjoy and use all the rights privileges pre-eminences immunities and advantages to the degree of a Baron duly and of right belonging which Barons of Our United Kingdom have heretofore used and enjoyed or as they do at present use and enjoy

In Witness whereof We have caused these Our Letters to be made Patent Witness Ourself at Westminster in the forenoon of the ninth day of May in the forty-ninth year of Our Reign

BY WARRANT UNDER THE QUEEN’S SIGN MANUAL