House of Lords Journal 233 (Session 1999-00)


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Wednesday 19 April 2000

The House met at half-past two o’clock.

The following Lords Spiritual and Temporal were present:

Irvine of Lairg, L.
(Lord Chancellor)

Aberdare, L.
Ackner, L.
Acton, L.
Addington, L.
Ahmed, L.
Alderdice, L.
Allenby of Megiddo, V.
Amos, B.
Ampthill, L.
Anelay of St Johns, B.
Ashley of Stoke, L.
Astor of Hever, L.
Attlee, E.
Bach, L.
Baker of Dorking, L.
Baldwin of Bewdley, E.
Barber, L.
Barker, B.
Beaumont of Whitley, L.
Belstead, L.
Biffen, L.
Birt, L.
Blaker, L.
Blatch, B.
Blease, L.
Blood, B.
Boardman, L.
Borrie, L.
Boston of Faversham, L.
Brabazon of Tara, L.
Bradshaw, L.
Bragg, L.
Brett, L.
Brightman, L.
Brookeborough, V.
Brookman, L.
Brooks of Tremorfa, L.
Brougham and Vaux, L.
Bruce of Donington, L.
Burlison, L.
Burnham, L.
Burns, L.
Buscombe, B.
Butterworth, L.
Byford, B.
Caithness, E.
Campbell of Alloway, L.
Campbell of Croy, L.
Carr of Hadley, L.
Carter, L.
Chadlington, L.
Chalfont, L.
Chalker of Wallasey, B.
Chichester, Bp.
Clark of Kempston, L.
Clarke of Hampstead, L.
Clinton-Davis, L.
Cockfield, L.
Cocks of Hartcliffe, L.
Colwyn, L.
Cope of Berkeley, L.
Courtown, E.
Cowdrey of Tonbridge, L.
Craig of Radley, L.
Craigavon, V.
Crathorne, L.
Crickhowell, L.
Cuckney, L.
Cumberlege, B.
Dahrendorf, L.
Darcy de Knayth, B.
David, B.
Davies of Coity, L.
Davies of Oldham, L.
Dean of Harptree, L.
Desai, L.
Dholakia, L.
Dixon, L.
Donoughue, L.
Dormand of Easington, L.
Dubs, L.
Dundee, E.
Elder, L.
Elis-Thomas, L.
Elliott of Morpeth, L.
Elton, L.
Erroll, E.
Evans of Parkside, L.
Ezra, L.
Falkland, V.
Farrington of Ribbleton, B.
Faulkner of Worcester, L.
Ferrers, E.
Filkin, L.
Fitt, L.
Flather, B.
Fookes, B.
Fraser of Carmyllie, L.
Freyberg, L.
Gale, B.
Gardner of Parkes, B.
Garel-Jones, L.
Gavron, L.
Geddes, L.
Geraint, L.
Gladwin of Clee, L.
Goldsmith, L.
Gordon of Strathblane, L.
Goschen, V.
Goudie, B.
Gould of Potternewton, B.
Graham of Edmonton, L.
Gray of Contin, L.
Greengross, B.
Greenway, L.
Gregson, L.
Grenfell, L.
Hanham, B.
Hanningfield , L.
Hardy of Wath, L.
Harris of Greenwich, L.
Harris of Haringey, L.
Harris of High Cross, L.
Harris of Richmond, B.
Harrison, L.
Haskel, L.
Hayhoe, L.
Healey, L.
Henley, L.
Higgins, L.
Hilton of Eggardon, B.
Holderness, L.
Hollis of Heigham, B.
Holme of Cheltenham, L.
Hooson, L.
Howe, E.
Howell of Guildford, L.
Howells of St. Davids, B.
Howie of Troon, L.
Hoyle, L.
Hughes of Woodside, L.
Hunt of Kings Heath, L.
Hunt of Wirral, L.
Hylton, L.
Hylton-Foster, B.
Inge, L.
Islwyn, L.
James of Holland Park, B.
Janner of Braunstone, L.
Jay of Paddington, B.
Jeger, B.
Jenkin of Roding, L.
Jenkins of Hillhead, L.
Jenkins of Putney, L.
Johnston of Rockport, L.
Jopling, L.
Judd, L.
Kimball, L.
King of West Bromwich, L.
Kingsland, L.
Kirkham, L.
Kirkhill, L.
Knight of Collingtree, B.
Lamont of Lerwick, L.
Lang of Monkton, L.
Lea of Crondall, L.
Lindsay, E.
Lipsey, L.
Listowel, E.
Liverpool, E.
Lockwood, B.
Longford, E.
Lovell-Davis, L.
Luke, L.
Lyell, L.
McCarthy, L.
McConnell, L.

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Macfarlane of Bearsden, L.
McIntosh of Haringey, L.
McIntosh of Hudnall, B.
Mackay of Ardbrecknish, L.
MacKenzie of Culkein, L.
Mackenzie of Framwellgate, L.
Mackie of Benshie, L.
McNally, L.
Maddock, B.
Mancroft, L.
Mar, C.
Mar and Kellie, E.
Marlesford, L.
Marsh, L.
Masham of Ilton, B.
Mason of Barnsley, L.
Massey of Darwen, B.
Merlyn-Rees, L.
Miller of Chilthorne Domer, B.
Miller of Hendon, B.
Milner of Leeds, L.
Mishcon, L.
Molloy, L.
Monro of Langholm, L.
Monson, L.
Montagu of Beaulieu, L.
Moran, L.
Morris of Castle Morris, L.
Morris of Manchester, L.
Moynihan, L.
Newby, L.
Newton of Braintree, L.
Nicholson of Winterbourne, B.
Nicol, B.
Northbrook, L.
Norton of Louth, L.
O’Cathain, B.
Onslow, E.
Onslow of Woking, L.
Owen, L.
Palmer, L.
Park of Monmouth, B.
Patel, L.
Patel of Blackburn, L.
Patten, L.
Pearson of Rannoch, L.
Peel, E.
Perry of Walton, L.
Peston, L.
Peyton of Yeovil, L.
Phillips of Sudbury, L.
Pilkington of Oxenford, L.
Pitkeathley, B.
Plant of Highfield, L.
Plumb, L.
Ponsonby of Shulbrede, L.
Prashar, B.
Puttnam, L.
Quirk, L.
Ramsay of Cartvale, B.
Randall of St. Budeaux, L.
Rawlings, B.
Rea, L.
Reay, L.
Redesdale, L.
Rees-Mogg, L.
Rendell of Babergh, B.
Renton, L.
Richard, L.
Richardson of Calow, B.
Rix, L.
Roberts of Conwy, L.
Rochester, Bp.
Rodgers of Quarry Bank, L.
Rogan, L.
Roll of Ipsden, L.
Rotherwick, L.
Ryder of Wensum, L.
St. John of Bletso, L.
St. John of Fawsley, L.
Sandberg, L.
Sandwich, E.
Sawyer, L.
Scotland of Asthal, B.
Seccombe, B.
Sharp of Guildford, B.
Sharples, B.
Shaw of Northstead, L.
Shore of Stepney, L.
Shrewsbury, E.
Simon, V.
Simon of Highbury, L.
Skelmersdale , L.
Slim, V.
Smith of Clifton, L.
Smith of Gilmorehill, B.
Snowdon, E.
Soulsby of Swaffham Prior, L.
Southwark, Bp.
Steel of Aikwood, L.
Stern, B.
Stewartby, L.
Stodart of Leaston, L.
Stoddart of Swindon, L.
Strabolgi, L.
Strathclyde, L.
Taylor of Blackburn, L.
Taylor of Warwick, L.
Tenby, V.
Thomas of Gwydir, L.
Thornton, B.
Tomlinson, L.
Tope, L.
Tordoff, L.
Trefgarne, L.
Trumpington, B.
Tugendhat, L.
Uddin, B.
Varley, L.
Vivian, L.
Waddington, L.
Wade of Chorlton, L.
Walker of Doncaster, L.
Walpole, L.
Warner, L.
Warnock, B.
Warwick of Undercliffe, B.
Watson of Richmond, L.
Waverley, V.
Weatherill, L.
Whaddon, L.
Whitaker, B.
Whitty, L.
Wilberforce, L.
Wilkins, B.
Williams of Crosby, B.
Williams of Elvel, L.
Williams of Mostyn, L.
Willoughby de Broke, L.
Wilson of Tillyorn, L.
Winston, L.
Wright of Richmond, L.

PRAYERS were read by the Lord Bishop of Rochester.

1.Earl of Mar and Kellie (Lord Erskine of Alloa Tower)—James Thorne Earl of Mar and Kellie, having been created Baron Erskine of Alloa Tower, of Alloa in Clackmannanshire, for life by Letters Patent dated 9 o’clock in the forenoon of 19th April 2000 (see appendix 1), took and subscribed the oath pursuant to statute.
2.Lord Ponsonby of Shulbrede (Lord Ponsonby of Roehampton)—Frederick Matthew Thomas Lord Ponsonby of Shulbrede, having been created Baron Ponsonby of Roehampton, of Shulbrede in the County of West Sussex, for life by Letters Patent dated noon on 19th April 2000 (see appendix 2), took and subscribed the oath pursuant to statute.

Papers

3.Command Paper—The following paper was presented to the House by command of Her Majesty and ordered to lie on the Table:

Air Traffic Control—Government Response to the 3rd Report of the House of Commons Environment, Transport and Regional Affairs Committee on the Proposed Public-Private Partnership for National Air Traffic Services Limited.

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4.Affirmative Instrument—The following instrument was laid before the House for approval by resolution and ordered to lie on the Table:

Draft Greater London Authority (Miscellaneous Amendments) Order 2000.

5.Negative Instruments—The following instruments were laid before the House and ordered to lie on the Table:
1. (i)Education (Student Support) Regulations 2000—(1121)
(ii)Education (Student Support) (Amendment) Regulations 2000—(1120)
 laid under the Teaching and Higher Education Act 1998;
2.Sea Fishing (Enforcement of Community Conservation Measures) Order 2000, laid under the Fisheries Act 1981;
 (1081)
3.European Communities (Lawyer’s Practice) Regulations 2000, laid under the European Communities Act 1972;
 (1119)
4.Greater London Authority Act 1999 (Commencement No. 6 and Preliminary Arrangements for the Metropolitan Police Authority) Order 2000, laid under the Greater London Authority Act 1999;
 (1095)
5.Woolwich Ferry Order 2000, laid under the Local Government Act 1985;
 (1044)
6. (i)Social Security (National Insurance Number Information: Exemption) Regulations 2000—(1082)
(ii)Income-related Benefits (Subsidy to Authorities) Amendment Order 2000—(1091)
 laid under the Social Security Administration Act 1992;
7. (i)Pension Sharing (Safeguarded Rights) Regulations 2000—(1055)
(ii)Pension Sharing (Pension Credit Benefit) Regulations 2000—(1054)
(iii)Pensions on Divorce etc. (Provision of Information) Regulations 2000—(1048)
 laid under the Pension Schemes Act 1993;
8. (i)Pensions on Divorce etc. (Pension Sharing) (Scotland) Regulations 2000—(1051)
(ii)Pension Sharing (Valuation) Regulations 2000—(1052)
(iii)Pensions on Divorce etc. (Charging) Regulations 2000;(1049)
 laid under the Welfare Reform and Pensions Act 1999;
9.Divorce etc. (Pensions) Regulations 2000, laid under the Matrimonial Causes Act 1973;

(1123)

10.Divorce etc. (Notification and Treatment of Pensions) (Scotland) Regulations 2000, laid under the Family Law (Scotland) Act 1985;
 (1050)
11.Gas Act 1986 (General Restrictions on Disclosure of Information) (Modification) Order 2000, laid under the Gas Act 1986;
 (1122)
12.Pension Sharing (Implementation and Discharge of Liability) Regulations 2000, laid under the Pensions Act 1995.
 (1053)
6.Papers not subject to parliamentary proceedings—The following papers were laid before the House and ordered to lie on the Table:
1.Report for 1999–2000 of the Assembly Ombudsman for Northern Ireland and the Northern Ireland Commissioner for Complaints, laid under the Ombudsman (Northern Ireland) Order 1996 and the Commissioner for Complaints (Northern Ireland) Order 1996;
2. (i)Report and Accounts for 1st April–18th September 1996 of the Occupational Health and Safety Agency;
(ii)Report and Accounts for 1st April–30th September 1996 of the Recruitment and Assessment Services;
 laid under the Exchequer and Audit Departments Act 1921.

Select Committee Report

7.Delegated Powers and Deregulation—The following Report from the Select Committee was made and ordered to be printed:

13th Report, on the following bills:

 Child Support, Pensions and Social Security Bill;
 Terrorism Bill—Government response . (HL Paper 59)

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Public Business

8.Postal Services Bill—A bill to establish the Postal Services Commission and the Consumer Council for Postal Services; to provide for the licensing of certain postal services and for a universal postal service; to provide for the vesting of the property, rights and liabilities of the Post Office in a company nominated by the Secretary of State and for the subsequent dissolution of the Post Office; to make further provision in relation to postal services; and for connected purposes was brought from the Commons, read a first time and ordered to be printed. (HL Bill 57)
9.Postal Services Bill—It was ordered that the Explanatory Notes relating to the bill be printed. (HL Bill 57–EN)
10.Child Support, Pensions and Social Security Bill—It was moved by the Lord Burlison, on behalf of the Baroness Hollis of Heigham, that it be an instruction to the Committee of the Whole House to whom the Child Support, Pensions and Social Security Bill has been committed that they consider the bill in the following order:
Clause 1
Schedule 1
Clauses 2 to 6
Schedule 2
Clauses 7 to 15
Clauses 79 and 80
Schedule 8
Clauses 16 to 26
Schedule 3
Clauses 27 to 31
Schedule 4
Clauses 32 to 55
Schedule 5
Clauses 56 to 66
Schedule 6
Clause 67
Schedule 7
Clauses 68 to 78
Clauses 81 and 82
Schedule 9
Clauses 83 and 84;

the motion was agreed to.

11.Government Resources and Accounts Bill—It was moved by the Lord McIntosh of Haringey that the order of commitment of 10th April be discharged and that the bill be committed to a Grand Committee; the motion was agreed to.
12.Procedure of the House—It was moved by the Chairman of Committees that the 2nd Report from the Select Committee (HL Paper 55) be agreed to; after debate, the motion was agreed to.
13.Disabled and elderly people (Short debate)—It was moved by the Lord Rix that there be laid before the House papers relating to the Chronically Sick and Disabled Persons Act 1970, and to developments in the provision and planning of community care services for disabled and elderly people; after debate, the motion was (by leave of the House) withdrawn.
14.Globalisation (Short debate)—It was moved by the Lord Borrie that there be laid before the House papers relating to the economic and social effects of globalisation and its impact on fair competition, employment conditions and the environment; after debate, the motion was (by leave of the House) withdrawn.
15.Sports clubs—The Lord Addington asked Her Majesty’s Government what steps they are taking to support amateur sports clubs in their work for the social development and health of the community; after debate, the question was answered by the Lord McIntosh of Haringey.

The House was adjourned at ten minutes before ten o’clock
till tomorrow, eleven o’clock.


APPENDIX 1

ELIZABETH THE SECOND by the Grace of God of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and of Our other Realms and Territories Queen Head of the Commonwealth Defender of the Faith To all Lords Spiritual and Temporal and all other Our Subjects whatsoever to whom these Presents shall come Greeting Know Ye that We of Our especial grace certain knowledge and mere motion in pursuance of the Life Peerages Act 1958 and of all other powers in that behalf Us enabling do by these Presents advance create and prefer Our right trusty and well beloved Cousin James Thorne Earl of Mar and Kellie to the state degree style dignity title and honour of Baron Erskine of Alloa Tower of Alloa in Clackmannanshire

And for Us Our heirs and successors do appoint give and grant unto him the said name state degree style dignity title and honour of Baron Erskine of Alloa Tower to have and to hold unto him for his life

Willing and by these Presents granting for Us Our heirs and successors that he may have hold and possess a seat place and voice in the Parliaments and Public Assemblies and Councils of Us Our heirs and successors within Our United Kingdom amongst the Barons And also that he may enjoy and use all the rights privileges pre-eminences immunities and advantages to the degree of a Baron duly and of right belonging which Barons of Our United Kingdom have heretofore used and enjoyed or as they do at present use and enjoy

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In Witness whereof We have caused these Our Letters to be made Patent Witness Ourself at Westminster at nine o’clock in the forenoon of the nineteenth day of April in the forty-eighth year of Our Reign

BY WARRANT UNDER THE QUEEN’S SIGN MANUAL


APPENDIX 2

ELIZABETH THE SECOND by the Grace of God of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and of Our other Realms and Territories Queen Head of the Commonwealth Defender of the Faith To all Lords Spiritual and Temporal and all other Our Subjects whatsoever to whom these Presents shall come Greeting Know Ye that We of Our especial grace certain knowledge and mere motion in pursuance of the Life Peerages Act 1958 and of all other powers in that behalf Us enabling do by these Presents advance create and prefer Our right trusty and well beloved Frederick Matthew Thomas Baron Ponsonby of Shulbrede to the state degree style dignity title and honour of Baron Ponsonby of Roehampton of Shulbrede in Our County of West Sussex

And for Us Our heirs and successors do appoint give and grant unto him the said name state degree style dignity title and honour of Baron Ponsonby of Roehampton to have and to hold unto him for his life

Willing and by these Presents granting for Us Our heirs and successors that he may have hold and possess a seat place and voice in the Parliaments and Public Assemblies and Councils of Us Our heirs and successors within Our United Kingdom amongst the Barons And also that he may enjoy and use all the rights privileges pre-eminences immunities and advantages to the degree of a Baron duly and of right belonging which Barons of Our United Kingdom have heretofore used and enjoyed or as they do at present use and enjoy

In Witness whereof We have caused these Our Letters to be made Patent Witness Ourself at Westminster at noon of the nineteenth day of April in the forty-eighth year of Our Reign

BY WARRANT UNDER THE QUEEN’S SIGN MANUAL