House of Lords Journal 232 (Session 1998-99)


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Tuesday 9 November 1999

The House met at half-past two o’clock.

The following Lords Spiritual and Temporal were present:

Irvine of Lairg, L.
(Lord Chancellor)

Aberdare, L.
Ackner, L.
Acton, L.
Addington, L.
Addison, V.
Ahmed, L.
Ailesbury, M.
Ailsa, M.
Aldington, L.
Alexander of Tunis, E.
Allen of Abbeydale, L.
Allenby of Megiddo, V.
Alli, L.
Alton of Liverpool, L.
Amos, B.
Ampthill, L.
Anelay of St. Johns, B.
Annan, L.
Archer of Sandwell, L.
Archer of Weston-Super-Mare, L.
Ashbourne, L.
Ashburton, L.
Ashton of Upholland, B.
Astor, V.
Astor of Hever, L.
Attlee, E.
Bach, L.
Baker of Dorking, L.
Balfour of Burleigh, L.
Barker, B.
Barnett, L.
Bassam of Brighton, L.
Bathurst, E.
Beaumont of Whitley, L.
Belhaven and Stenton, L.
Belstead, L.
Berners, B.
Biddulph, L.
Biffen, L.
Blackburn, Bp.
Blaker, L.
Blatch, B.
Blease, L.
Bledisloe, V.
Blyth, L.
Boardman, L.
Borrie, L.
Boston of Faversham, L.
Bowness, L.
Brabazon of Tara, L.
Bradshaw, L.
Bragg, L.
Bramall, L.
Brentford, V.
Brett, L.
Bridgeman, V.
Bridges, L.
Briggs, L.
Brightman, L.
Brigstocke, B.
Brooke of Alverthorpe, L.
Brookeborough, V.
Brookman, L.
Brooks of Tremorfa, L.
Brougham and Vaux, L.
Bruntisfield, L.
Burlison, L.
Burnham, L.
Burns, L.
Burton, L.
Buscombe, B.
Butterworth, L.
Byford, B.
Cadman, L.
Caithness, E.
Calverley, L.
Campbell of Alloway, L.
Campbell of Croy, L.
Carlile of Berriew, L.
Carlisle, E.
Carlisle of Bucklow, L.
Carmichael of Kelvingrove, L.
Carnegy of Lour, B.
Carnock, L.
Carrick, E.
Carter, L.
Cathcart, E.
Chalfont, L.
Chandos, V.
Charteris of Amisfield, L.
Chesham, L.
Chichester, Bp.
Chorley, L.
Christopher, L.
Clancarty, E.
Clanwilliam, E.
Clark of Kempston, L.
Clarke of Hampstead, L.
Cledwyn of Penrhos, L.
Clement-Jones, L.
Clinton, L.
Clinton-Davis, L.
Cochrane of Cults, L.
Cocks of Hartcliffe, L.
Coleraine, L.
Colgrain, L.
Colville of Culross, V.
Colwyn, L.
Constantine of Stanmore, L.
Cope of Berkeley, L.
Courtown, E.
Cowdrey of Tonbridge, L.
Cowley, E.
Craig of Radley, L.
Craigavon, V.
Cranbrook, E.
Crathorne, L.
Crawley, B.
Crickhowell, L.
Cross, V.
Cuckney, L.
Currie of Marylebone, L.
Dahrendorf, L.
Darcy de Knayth, B.
Dartmouth, E.
David, B.
Davidson, V.
Davies of Coity, L.
Davies of Oldham, L.
Dean of Harptree, L.
Dean of Thornton-le-Fylde, B.
Denbigh, E.
Denham, L.
Desai, L.
Dholakia, L.
Digby, L.
Dilhorne, V.
Dixon-Smith, L.
Donegall, M.
Donoughue, L.
Dormand of Easington, L.
Downshire, M.
Drogheda, E.
Dubs, L.
Dudley, E.
Dunleath, L.
Eatwell, L.
Eccles, V.
Eccles of Moulton, B.
Effingham, E.
Elder, L.
Elibank, L.
Ellenborough, L.
Elles, B.
Elliott of Morpeth, L.
Elton, L.
Erroll, E.
Evans of Parkside, L.
Evans of Watford, L.
Exmouth, V.
Ezra, L.
Falconer of Thoroton, L.
Falkland, V.
Farrington of Ribbleton, B.
Faulkner of Worcester, L.
Feldman, L.
Ferrers, E.
Filkin, L.
Fitt, L.
Flather, B.
Fookes, B.
Fraser of Carmyllie, L.
Freeman, L.
Freyberg, L.
Gage, V.
Gainford, L.
Gainsborough, E.

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Gale, B.
Gardner of Parkes, B.
Gavron, L.
Geddes, L.
Geraint, L.
Gilbert, L.
Gilmour of Craigmillar, L.
Gisborough, L.
Gladwin of Clee, L.
Gladwyn, L.
Glanusk, L.
Glenarthur, L.
Glentoran, L.
Goldsmith, L.
Goodhart, L.
Goudie, B.
Gould of Potternewton, B.
Grabiner, L.
Graham of Edmonton, L.
Grantchester, L.
Gray of Contin, L.
Greenway, L.
Greenwood, V.
Gregson, L.
Grenfell, L.
Gretton, L.
Grey, E.
Hacking, L.
Hampton, L.
Hamwee, B.
Hanningfield, L.
Hanworth, V.
Harding of Petherton, L.
Hardy of Wath, L.
Harmsworth, L.
Harris of Greenwich, L.
Harris of Haringey, L.
Harris of Richmond, B.
Harrison, L.
Haskel, L.
Hawke, L.
Hayhoe, L.
Hayman, B.
Healey, L.
Hemphill, L.
Henley, L.
Higgins, L.
Hilton of Eggardon, B.
Hobhouse of Woodborough, L.
Hogg, B.
Hogg of Cumbernauld, L.
Hollis of Heigham, B.
Hooper, B.
Hooson, L.
Howe, E.
Howells of St. Davids, B.
Howie of Troon, L.
Hoyle, L.
Hughes of Woodside, L.
Hunt of Kings Heath, L.
Hunt of Wirral, L.
Hussey of North Bradley, L.
Hylton, L.
Hylton-Foster, B.
Inchcape, E.
Inchyra, L.
Inge, L.
Ironside, L.
Islwyn, L.
Jacobs, L.
Janner of Braunstone, L.
Jay of Paddington, B.
Jeger, B.
Jenkin of Roding, L.
Jenkins of Hillhead, L.
Jenkins of Putney, L.
Jopling, L.
Judd, L.
Kenilworth, L.
Kennedy of The Shaws, B.
Kennet, L.
Keyes, L.
Kilbracken, L.
Kimball, L.
King of West Bromwich, L.
Kingsland, L.
Kinloss, Ly.
Kinnoull, E.
Kintore, E.
Kirkhill, L.
Kirkwood, L.
Kitchener, E.
Knollys, V.
Laing of Dunphail, L.
Laird, L.
Lamont of Lerwick, L.
Lane, L.
Lane of Horsell, L.
Lauderdale, E.
Lawrence, L.
Layton, L.
Lea of Crondall, L.
Leigh, L.
Lester of Herne Hill, L.
Lewis of Newnham, L.
Lincoln, Bp.
Lindsay, E.
Lindsey and Abingdon, E.
Linklater of Butterstone, B.
Lipsey, L.
Listowel, E.
Liverpool, E.
Lockwood, B.
Lofthouse of Pontefract, L.
Long, V.
Longford, E.
Lucas of Chilworth, L.
Luke, L.
Lyell, L.
Lytton, E.
McCarthy, L.
McColl of Dulwich, L.
McConnell, L.
Macdonald of Tradeston, L.
McIntosh of Haringey, L.
McIntosh of Hudnall, B.
Mackay of Ardbrecknish, L.
Mackenzie of Framwellgate, L.
Mackie of Benshie, L.
McNair, L.
McNally, L.
Mallalieu, B.
Mancroft, L.
Mar, C.
Mar and Kellie, E.
Marks of Broughton, L.
Marlesford, L.
Marsh, L.
Masham of Ilton, B.
Mason of Barnsley, L.
Massey of Darwen, B.
Mayhew of Twysden, L.
Merlyn-Rees, L.
Merrivale, L.
Mersey, V.
Middleton, L.
Miller of Chilthorne Domer, B.
Miller of Hendon, B.
Milner of Leeds, L.
Mishcon, L.
Molloy, L.
Molyneaux of Killead, L.
Monk Bretton, L.
Monkswell, L.
Monro of Langholm, L.
Monson, L.
Montagu of Beaulieu, L.
Monteagle of Brandon, L.
Montrose, D.
Moore of Wolvercote, L.
Morris, L.
Morris of Manchester, L.
Mountevans, L.
Mowbray and Stourton, L.
Moyne, L.
Moynihan, L.
Munster, E.
Murray of Epping Forest, L.
Murton of Lindisfarne, L.
Napier and Ettrick, L.
Nelson, E.
Newall, L.
Nicol, B.
Noel-Buxton, L.
Norrie, L.
Northbourne, L.
Northbrook, L.
Northesk, E.
Northfield, L.
Norton, L.
Norton of Louth, L.
Nunburnholme, L.
O’Cathain, B.
Onslow, E.
Oppenheim-Barnes, B.
Orme, L.
Oxfuird, V.
Palmer, L.
Park of Monmouth, B.
Parkinson, L.
Patel, L.
Patten, L.
Paul, L.
Pender, L.
Perry of Southwark, B.
Peston, L.
Peyton of Yeovil, L.
Phillips of Sudbury, L.
Pilkington of Oxenford, L.
Pitkeathley, B.
Plant of Highfield, L.
Platt of Writtle, B.
Plumb, L.
Plummer of St. Marylebone, L.
Ponsonby of Shulbrede, L.
Prior, L.
Prys-Davies, L.

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Quinton, L.
Quirk, L.
Ramsay of Cartvale, B.
Rathcavan, L.
Rawlings, B.
Rawlinson of Ewell, L.
Razzall, L.
Rea, L.
Reay, L.
Redesdale, L.
Rees, L.
Rendell of Babergh, B.
Renfrew of Kaimsthorn, L.
Rennell, L.
Renton, L.
Renwick, L.
Richard, L.
Rix, L.
Roberts of Conwy, L.
Rodgers of Quarry Bank, L.
Rotherwick, L.
Rowallan, L.
Russell, E.
Ryder of Wensum, L.
Saatchi, L.
Saint Albans, D.
St. Davids, V.
St. John of Bletso, L.
St. John of Fawsley, L.
Saltoun of Abernethy, Ly.
Sandberg, L.
Sanderson of Bowden, L.
Sandford, L.
Sandwich, E.
Savile, L.
Sawyer, L.
Scotland of Asthal, B.
Seccombe, B.
Sefton of Garston, L.
Selborne, E.
Selsdon, L.
Sempill, L.
Serota, B.
Shannon, E.
Sharp of Guildford, B.
Sharples, B.
Shaughnessy, L.
Shaw of Northstead, L.
Shepherd, L.
Shore of Stepney, L.
Shuttleworth, L.
Simon, V.
Simon of Glaisdale, L.
Skelmersdale, L.
Slim, V.
Smith of Clifton, L.
Smith of Gilmorehill, B.
Smith of Leigh, L.
Somerset, D.
Soulsby of Swaffham Prior, L.
Stern, B.
Stewartby, L.
Stodart of Leaston, L.
Stoddart of Swindon, L.
Stone of Blackheath, L.
Strabolgi, L.
Strange, B.
Strathalmond, L.
Strathcarron, L.
Strathclyde, L.
Sudeley, L.
Suffield, L.
Suffolk and Berkshire, E.
Swansea, L.
Swinfen, L.
Symons of Vernham Dean, B.
Taylor of Blackburn, L.
Taylor of Warwick, L.
Temple of Stowe, E.
Teviot, L.
Teynham, L.
Thomas of Gresford, L.
Thomas of Gwydir, L.
Thomas of Swynnerton, L.
Thomas of Walliswood, B.
Thomson of Monifieth, L.
Thornton, B.
Thurlow, L.
Thurso, V.
Torrington, V.
Trefgarne, L.
Trenchard, V.
Trumpington, B.
Tryon, L.
Turner of Camden, B.
Uddin, B.
Ullswater, V.
Varley, L.
Waddington, L.
Wade of Chorlton, L.
Wakeham, L.
Walker of Doncaster, L.
Walker of Worcester, L.
Walpole, L.
Walton of Detchant, L.
Warner, L.
Warwick of Undercliffe, B.
Waverley, V.
Weatherill, L.
Wedderburn of Charlton, L.
Wedgwood, L.
Westbury, L.
Wharton, B.
Whitaker, B.
Whitty, L.
Wigoder, L.
Wilberforce, L.
Wilcox, B.
Williams of Crosby, B.
Williams of Mostyn, L.
Williamson of Horton, L.
Willoughby de Broke, L.
Wilson of Tillyorn, L.
Winchilsea and Nottingham, E.
Windlesham, L.
Winston, L.
Wise, L.
Woolmer of Leeds, L.
Wrenbury, L.
Wright of Richmond, L.
Wynford, L.
Young, B.
Young of Old Scone, B.

PRAYERS were read by the Lord Bishop of Lincoln.

1.Bankruptcy—The Lord Chancellor acquainted the House, that he had received from E. Jeffs Esq., of the Bankruptcy Department of Newcastle upon Tyne Combined Court Centre, an Office Copy of an Order of Newcastle upon Tyne County Court dated 13th August 1999, that the Order of Adjudication of Bankruptcy made against William Gavin Westwood, Baron Westwood, on 21st June 1999 be annulled.

Judicial Business

2.Dimond (Appellant) v. Lovell (Respondent) (England)—The appeal of Vanessa Dawn Dimond was presented and it was ordered that in accordance with Standing Order VI the statement and appendix thereto be lodged on or before 21st December next.
3.Mainwaring (Petitioner) v. Encyclopaedia Britannica International Limited and another (Respondents)—The petition of Zipporah Mainwaring praying for leave to appeal was presented and referred to an Appeal Committee (lodged 21st July).
4.Glenister (Petitioner) v. Rowe (Respondent)—Upon application by the petitioner (the agents for the respondent consenting thereto), it was ordered that the petition be withdrawn and that there be no order as to costs.
5.Appeal Committee—The following Order was made pursuant to the 48th Report—

Regina v. Smith (Respondent)—That leave to appeal be given, and that the petition of appeal be lodged forthwith.

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6.Appeal Committee—The 73rd Report from the Appeal Committee was agreed to and the following Order was made—

Arthur J S Hall & Co (Appellants) v. Simons (A.P.) (Respondent)—

Barratt (Respondent) v. Ansell and others (trading as Woolf Seddon (a firm)) (Appellants)—

Harris (Respondent) v. Scholfield Roberts & Hill (a firm) (Appellants) and others—

(Conjoined Appeals)—

That the petition of the General Bar Council of England and Wales that they might be heard or otherwise intervene in the said appeal be allowed.

Papers

7.Command Paper—The following paper was presented to the House by command of Her Majesty and ordered to lie on the Table:

Finance—Pre-Budget Report: Stability and steady growth for Britain.

(4479)

8.Papers not subject to parliamentary proceedings—The following papers were laid before the House and ordered to lie on the Table:
1.Report by the Comptroller and Auditor General for Northern Ireland on Improving Winter Driving Conditions, laid under the Audit (Northern Ireland) Order 1987;
2.Scottish Natural Heritage:
(i)Report for 1998–99—
(ii)Facts and Figures for 1998–99—
 laid under the Natural Heritage (Scotland) Act 1991.

Select Committee Reports

9.European Communities—The following Reports from the Select Committee were made and ordered to be printed, together with the Minutes of Evidence:

Enlargement of the EU: progress and problems; (21st Report–HL Paper 118)

Biodiversity in the European Union Final Report: International Issues; (22nd Report–HL Paper 119)

European Union Databases. (23rd Report–HL Paper 120)

10.Statutory Instruments—The 30th Report from the Joint Committee was made on certain statutory instruments, including the following affirmative instruments:

Draft Dental Auxiliaries (Amendment) Regulations 1999;

Draft Maximum Number of Judges Order 1999;

Draft Maximum Number of Stipendiary Magistrates Order 1999;

it was ordered that the Report be printed. (HL Paper 117)

Public Business

11.Food Standards Bill—The bill was returned from the Commons with the amendments agreed to.
12.Greater London Authority Bill—The bill was returned from the Commons earlier this day with certain amendments disagreed to with reasons for such disagreement; with an amendment disagreed to but with an amendment proposed in lieu thereof; with further amendments agreed to with amendments and with consequential amendments to the bill; and with the remaining amendments agreed to; the Commons amendments and reasons were printed pursuant to Standing Order 50 (HL Bill 100); the Commons amendments and reasons were considered forthwith; the Lords amendments to which the Commons have disagreed were not insisted on; an amendment to a Commons amendment in lieu was (by leave of the House) withdrawn; then the Commons amendment in lieu was agreed to and the Lords amendment was not insisted on; consequential amendments to the bill were agreed to; and the Commons amendments to Lords amendments were agreed to.
13.Environmental Protection (Restriction on the Use of Lead Shot) (England) Regulations 1999—It was moved by the Earl of Lytton that an Humble Address be presented to Her Majesty praying that the Regulations, laid before the House on 3rd August, be annulled (S.I. 1999/2170); after debate, the motion was (by leave of the House) withdrawn.
14.Milk—The Lord Grantchester asked Her Majesty’s Government how their proposals for the milk industry and in particular for the supply of raw milk will affect the rural economy; after debate, the question was answered by the Lord Carter.

The House was adjourned during pleasure.

The House was resumed.

The House was adjourned during pleasure.

The House was resumed.

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15.Welfare Reform and Pensions Bill—The bill was returned from the Commons with an amendment in lieu of a Commons amendment disagreed to with a reason for such disagreement; with a further Commons amendment insisted upon and the Lords amendment in lieu thereof disagreed to with a reason for such disagreement; and with the Lords amendments to a Commons amendment to the words restored to the bill disagreed to, with reasons for such disagreement; it was ordered that the Commons reasons be printed. (HL Bill 101)

The House was adjourned during pleasure.

The House was resumed.

16.Welfare Reform and Pensions Bill—The Commons reasons were considered; a Lords amendment was not insisted on; a motion that the House do disagree with a Commons amendment and do propose an amendment in lieu thereof was moved and (by leave of the House) withdrawn; the remaining Lords amendments were not insisted on; and the remaining Commons amendment to words restored to the bill was agreed to.

The House was adjourned at eighteen minutes past ten o’clock
till tomorrow, half-past two o’clock.