House of Lords Journal 232 (Session 1998-99)


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Thursday 21 October 1999

The House met at two o’clock.

The following Lords Spiritual and Temporal were present:

Irvine of Lairg, L.
(Lord Chancellor)

Aberdare, L.
Ackner, L.
Acton, L.
Addington, L.
Addison, V.
Ahmed, L.
Ailesbury, M.
Ailsa, M.
Alderdice, L.
Alexander of Tunis, E.
Allen of Abbeydale, L.
Allenby of Megiddo, V.
Alli, L.
Amos, B.
Ampthill, L.
Anelay of St. Johns, B.
Annaly, L.
Annan, L.
Archer of Sandwell, L.
Archer of Weston-Super-Mare, L.
Arran, E.
Ashbourne, L.
Ashley of Stoke, L.
Ashton of Upholland, B.
Astor of Hever, L.
Attlee, E.
Avebury, L.
Bach, L.
Baker of Dorking, L.
Baldwin of Bewdley, E.
Barnett, L.
Bassam of Brighton, L.
Bathurst, E.
Belhaven and Stenton, L.
Belstead, L.
Berkeley, L.
Bethell, L.
Biddulph, L.
Biffen, L.
Birdwood, L.
Blatch, B.
Bledisloe, V.
Blyth, L.
Borrie, L.
Boston of Faversham, L.
Bowness, L.
Bragg, L.
Brentford, V.
Bridgeman, V.
Bridges, L.
Brightman, L.
Brooke of Alverthorpe, L.
Brookman, L.
Brooks of Tremorfa, L.
Brougham and Vaux, L.
Bruce of Donington, L.
Buckinghamshire, E.
Burlison, L.
Burnham, L.
Burns, L.
Buscombe, B.
Butterworth, L.
Byford, B.
Cadman, L.
Caithness, E.
Calverley, L.
Campbell of Alloway, L.
Campbell of Croy, L.
Carew, L.

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Carlile of Berriew, L.
Carlisle, E.
Carnarvon, E.
Carnock, L.
Carr of Hadley, L.
Carrick, E.
Carter, L.
Carver, L.
Cathcart, E.
Chadlington, L.
Chalfont, L.
Chandos, V.
Charteris of Amisfield, L.
Chesham, L.
Chorley, L.
Christopher, L.
Clancarty, E.
Clanwilliam, E.
Clark of Kempston, L.
Clarke of Hampstead, L.
Cledwyn of Penrhos, L.
Clement-Jones, L.
Clifford of Chudleigh, L.
Clinton-Davis, L.
Clwyd, L.
Clyde, L.
Cockfield, L.
Cocks of Hartcliffe, L.
Coleraine, L.
Colwyn, L.
Cooke of Thorndon, L.
Cope of Berkeley, L.
Courtown, E.
Cox, B.
Craig of Radley, L.
Craigmyle, L.
Cranbrook, E.
Crathorne, L.
Crawley, B.
Crickhowell, L.
Cromwell, L.
Cross, V.
Currie of Marylebone, L.
Darcy de Knayth, B.
David, B.
Davidson, V.
Davies of Coity, L.
Davies of Oldham, L.
Denbigh, E.
Denham, L.
Denton of Wakefield, B.
Desai, L.
Devonport, V.
Dholakia, L.
Diamond, L.
Dixon, L.
Dixon-Smith, L.
Donegall, M.
Donoughue, L.
Dormand of Easington, L.
Downshire, M.
Dundee, E.
Ebury, L.
Eccles, V.
Eccles of Moulton, B.
Effingham, E.
Elder, L.
Elibank, L.
Ellenborough, L.
Elles, B.
Elliott of Morpeth, L.
Elton, L.
Erroll, E.
Evans of Parkside, L.
Exmouth, V.
Ezra, L.
Falkland, V.
Farrington of Ribbleton, B.
Ferrers, E.
Filkin, L.
Fitt, L.
Flather, B.
Fookes, B.
Fraser of Carmyllie, L.
Gainford, L.
Gainsborough, E.
Gale, B.
Gardner of Parkes, B.
Geddes, L.
Geraint, L.
Gilbert, L.
Gisborough, L.
Gladwin of Clee, L.
Glanusk, L.
Glasgow, E.
Glenamara, L.
Glenarthur, L.
Glentoran, L.
Goldsmith, L.
Goodhart, L.
Gordon of Strathblane, L.
Goudie, B.
Gould of Potternewton, B.
Graham of Edmonton, L.
Granard, E.
Gray, L.
Gray of Contin, L.
Greenway, L.
Greenwood, V.
Grenfell, L.
Gretton, L.
Grey, E.
Hacking, L.
Hamwee, B.
Hankey, L.
Harding of Petherton, L.
Hardinge of Penshurst, L.
Hardy of Wath, L.
Harlech, L.
Harmar-Nicholls, L.
Harmsworth, L.
Harris of Greenwich, L.
Harris of Haringey, L.
Harrowby, E.
Hawke, L.
Hayhoe, L.
Hayman, B.
Hayter, L.
Healey, L.
Hemphill, L.
Henley, L.
Higgins, L.
Hilton of Eggardon, B.
Hoffmann, L.
Hogg of Cumbernauld, L.
Holderness, L.
HolmPatrick, L.
Hood, V.
Hooper, B.
Hooson, L.
Hope of Craighead, L.
Hothfield, L.
Howe, E.
Howie of Troon, L.
Hoyle, L.
Hughes of Woodside, L.
Hunt of Kings Heath, L.
Hunt of Wirral, L.
Huntingdon, E.
Hylton-Foster, B.
Ilchester, E.
Inchcape, E.
Ironside, L.
Islwyn, L.
Jacobs, L.
Janner of Braunstone, L.
Jay of Paddington, B.
Jeger, B.
Jellicoe, E.
Jenkins of Hillhead, L.
Jenkins of Putney, L.
Jopling, L.
Kenilworth, L.
Kennedy of The Shaws, B.
Kilbracken, L.
Kingsland, L.
Kinloss, Ly.
Kinnoull, E.
Kintore, E.
Kirkhill, L.
Kitchener, E.
Knollys, V.
Laird, L.
Laming, L.
Lauderdale, E.
Lawrence, L.
Lawson of Blaby, L.
Layton, L.
Lea of Crondall, L.
Leathers, V.
Leigh, L.
Levy, L.
Limerick, E.
Lindsey and Abingdon, E.
Lipsey, L.
Listowel, E.
Lichfield, Bp.
Liverpool, E.
Lockwood, B.
Lofthouse of Pontefract, L.
Long, V.
Longford, E.
Lovell-Davis, L.
Lucas, L.
Lucas of Chilworth, L.
Ludford, B.
Luke, L.
Lyell, L.
Lytton, E.
McAlpine of West Green, L.
McColl of Dulwich, L.
Macdonald of Tradeston, L.
McIntosh of Haringey, L.
Mackay of Drumadoon, L.
Mackenzie of Framwellgate, L.
McNair, L.
McNally, L.

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Maddock, B.
Malmesbury, E.
Mancroft, L.
Mar, C.
Mar and Kellie, E.
Marlesford, L.
Marsh, L.
Masham of Ilton, B.
Mason of Barnsley, L.
Mayhew of Twysden, L.
McIntosh of Hudnall, B.
Merlyn-Rees, L.
Merrivale, L.
Mersey, V.
Middleton, L.
Miller of Hendon, B.
Millett, L.
Mills, V.
Milner of Leeds, L.
Milverton, L.
Molloy, L.
Molyneaux of Killead, L.
Monkswell, L.
Monro of Langholm, L.
Monson, L.
Montagu of Beaulieu, L.
Montague of Oxford, L.
Monteagle of Brandon, L.
Montgomery of Alamein, V.
Morris, L.
Morris of Manchester, L.
Mountevans, L.
Mountgarret, V.
Mowbray and Stourton, L.
Moyne, L.
Moynihan, L.
Munster, E.
Murton of Lindisfarne, L.
Napier and Ettrick, L.
Nelson, E.
Newall, L.
Newby, L.
Nicholson of Winterbourne, B.
Nicol, B.
Noel-Buxton, L.
Norrie, L.
Northbourne, L.
Northbrook, L.
Northesk, E.
Norton, L.
Norton of Louth, L.
Nunburnholme, L.
O’Neill of Bengarve, B.
O’Cathain, B.
Onslow, E.
Onslow of Woking, L.
Oppenheim-Barnes, B.
Orme, L.
Palmer, L.
Park of Monmouth, B.
Pearson of Rannoch, L.
Pender, L.
Peston, L.
Phillips of Sudbury, L.
Pitkeathley, B.
Plant of Highfield, L.
Plumb, L.
Plummer of St. Marylebone, L.
Porter of Luddenham, L.
Prys-Davies, L.
Puttnam, L.
Quirk, L.
Ramsay of Cartvale, B.
Randall of St. Budeaux, L.
Rathcavan, L.
Rawlinson of Ewell, L.
Razzall, L.
Rea, L.
Reay, L.
Redesdale, L.
Rendell of Babergh, B.
Rennell, L.
Renton, L.
Renton of Mount Harry, L.
Renwick, L.
Renwick of Clifton, L.
Richard, L.
Richardson of Calow, B.
Rix, L.
Roberts of Conwy, L.
Rodgers of Quarry Bank, L.
Rosslyn, E.
Rotherwick, L.
Rowallan, L.
Ryder of Wensum, L.
Sainsbury of Turville, L.
Saltoun of Abernethy, Ly.
St. Davids, V.
St. John of Bletso, L.
St. John of Fawsley, L.
Savile, L.
Sawyer, L.
Scotland of Asthal, B.
Seaford, L.
Seccombe, B.
Selkirk of Douglas, L.
Serota, B.
Sewel, L.
Shannon, E.
Sharp of Guildford, B.
Shaughnessy, L.
Shepherd, L.
Shore of Stepney, L.
Shrewsbury, E.
Simon, V.
Simon of Glaisdale, L.
Simon of Highbury, L.
Slim, V.
Slynn of Hadley, L.
Smith of Clifton, L.
Smith of Gilmorehill, B.
Soulsby of Swaffham Prior, L.
Southwark, Bp.
Stallard, L.
Stanley of Alderley, L.
Stewartby, L.
Steyn, L.
Stone of Blackheath, L.
Strabolgi, L.
Strafford, E.
Strange, B.
Strathcarron, L.
Strathclyde, L.
Sudeley, L.
Swansea, L.
Swinfen, L.
Symons of Vernham Dean, B.
Taverne, L.
Taylor of Blackburn, L.
Taylor of Gryfe, L.
Taylor of Warwick, L.
Tebbit, L.
Tenby, V.
Teviot, L.
Teynham, L.
Thomas of Gresford, L.
Thomas of Gwydir, L.
Thomas of Walliswood, B.
Thomson of Monifieth, L.
Thornton, B.
Thurlow, L.
Thurso, V.
Tope, L.
Tordoff, L.
Torrington, V.
Trenchard, V.
Trumpington, B.
Tryon, L.
Turner of Camden, B.
Uddin, B.
Ullswater, V.
Vivian, L.
Waddington, L.
Wade of Chorlton, L.
Wakeham, L.
Walker of Doncaster, L.
Wallace of Saltaire, L.
Walpole, L.
Walton of Detchant, L.
Warner, L.
Warnock, B.
Warwick of Undercliffe, B.
Watson of Invergowrie, L.
Weatherill, L.
Westbury, L.
Wharton, B.
Whitty, L.
Wigoder, L.
Wilberforce, L.
Wilkins, B.
Williams of Crosby, B.
Williams of Elvel, L.
Williams of Mostyn, L.
Wilson of Tillyorn, L.
Windlesham, L.
Wise, L.
Wynford, L.
Young, B.
Young of Old Scone, B.

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PRAYERS were read by the Lord Bishop of Lichfield.

Judicial Business

1.Baxter (A.P.) (Appellant) v. Mayor etc of the London Borough of Camden (Respondents)—
2.London Borough of Southwark (Respondents) and another v. Mills and others (A.P.) (Appellants)—

The Report from the Appellate Committee was agreed to; it was ordered and adjudged that the Orders of the Court of Appeal of 20th June and 29th July 1998 be affirmed and the appeals dismissed with costs, the amount thereof to be certified by the Clerk of the Parliaments if not agreed between the parties; that the costs of the Respondents in this House be paid out of the Legal Aid Fund in accordance with section 18 of the Legal Aid Act 1988, such order to be suspended for four weeks to allow the Legal Aid Board to object if they wish; and that the costs of the appellants in this House be taxed in accordance with the Legal Aid Act 1988.

3.Barclays Bank Plc (Appellants) v. Boulter and another (Respondent)—The Report from the Appellate Committee was agreed to; it was ordered and adjudged that the Order of the Court of Appeal of 23rd April 1997 be affirmed and the appeal dismissed with costs, the amount thereof to be certified by the Clerk of the Parliaments if not agreed between the parties.
4.Nessa (A.P.) (Appellant) v. Chief Adjudication Officer and another (Respondent)—The Report from the Appellate Committee was agreed to; it was ordered and adjudged that the Order of the Court of Appeal of 5th February 1998 be affirmed and the appeal dismissed; and that there be no order as to costs save that the costs of the appellant in this House be taxed in accordance with the Legal Aid Act 1988.
5.Vehicle Inspectorate (Respondents) v. Bruce Cook Road Planning Limited and another (Appellants) (On Appeal from a Divisional Court of the Queen’s Bench Division)—The Report from the Appellate Committee was agreed to; it was ordered and adjudged that the Order of the Divisional Court of the Queen’s Bench Division of 18th February 1998 be affirmed and the appeal dismissed with costs, the amount thereof to be certified by the Clerk of the Parliaments if not agreed between the parties; and that the certified question be answered in the negative.

The House was adjourned during pleasure.

The House was resumed.

6.Viscount Hood—Henry Lyttelton Alexander Viscount Hood sat first in Parliament after the death of his father, Alexander Lambert Viscount Hood, having first taken and subscribed the oath pursuant to statute.

Papers

7.Command Paper—The following paper was presented to the House by command of Her Majesty and ordered to lie on the Table:

South Caucasus and Central Asia—Government response to the 6th report of the House of Commons Foreign Affairs Committee.

(4458)

8.Affirmative Instruments—The following instruments were laid before the House for approval by resolution and ordered to lie on the Table:
1.Draft Jobseeker’s Allowance (Amendment) (No. 2) Regulations 1999;
2.Draft Social Security (New Deal Pilot) Regulations 1999.
9.Negative Instruments—The following instruments were laid before the House and ordered to lie on the Table:
1.Medicines (Aristolochia) (Temporary Prohibition) Order 1999, laid under the Medicines Act 1968;
 (2889)
2.Motor Vehicles (Driving Licences) Regulations 1999, laid under the Road Traffic Act 1988.
 (2864)
10.Papers not subject to parliamentary proceedings—The following papers were laid before the House and ordered to lie on the Table:

Accounts for 1998–99 of the :

(i)Tate Gallery—
(ii)National Gallery—

together with the Reports of the Comptroller and Auditor General, laid under the Museums and Galleries Act 1992.

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Private Business

11.United Reformed Church Bill [HL]—The bill was read a third time and passed and sent to the Commons.
12.Transport Salaried Staffs’ Association (Amendment of Rules) Bill—The bill was read a second time and committed to an Unopposed Bill Committee.

Public Business

13.Greater London Authority Bill—The bill was further considered on report; amendments were agreed to; amendments were moved and (by leave of the House) withdrawn; further consideration on report was adjourned after amendment 535.
14.Aberdeen and North East Scotland—The Lord Hogg of Cumbernauld asked Her Majesty’s Government what is their assessment of the contribution of the city of Aberdeen and North East Scotland to the economy of the United Kingdom; after debate, the question was answered by the Baroness Ramsay of Cartvale.

The House was adjourned at eleven minutes past eight o’clock
till tomorrow, eleven o’clock.