House of Lords Journal 232 (Session 1998-99)


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Wednesday 28 July 1999

The House met at eleven o’clock.

The following Lords Spiritual and Temporal were present:

Irvine of Lairg, L.
(Lord Chancellor)

Aberdare, L.
Ackner, L.
Addington, L.
Addison, V.
Ahmed, L.
Ailesbury, M.
Ailsa, M.
Alderdice, L.
Aldington, L.
Alexander of Tunis, E.
Allenby of Megiddo, V.
Alli, L.
Alton of Liverpool, L.
Amos, B.
Ampthill, L.
Anelay of St. Johns, B.
Annaly, L.
Annan, L.
Archer of Sandwell, L.
Archer of Weston-Super-Mare, L.
Arran, E.
Ashbourne, L.
Ashley of Stoke, L.
Astor, V.
Astor of Hever, L.
Attlee, E.
Avebury, L.
Bach, L.
Baldwin of Bewdley, E.
Barnett, L.
Bath and Wells, Bp.
Beaumont of Whitley, L.
Beaverbrook, L.

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Belhaven and Stenton, L.
Berkeley, L.
Berners, B.
Biddulph, L.
Biffen, L.
Birdwood, L.
Blease, L.
Bledisloe, V.
Blyth, L.
Boardman, L.
Borrie, L.
Boston of Faversham, L.
Bowness, L.
Brabazon of Tara, L.
Bragg, L.
Brentford, V.
Brett, L.
Bridgeman, V.
Brightman, L.
Brigstocke, B.
Brooke of Alverthorpe, L.
Brookman, L.
Brooks of Tremorfa, L.
Brougham and Vaux, L.
Bruce of Donington, L.
Bruntisfield, L.
Burlison, L.
Burnham, L.
Burns, L.
Buscombe, B.
Butler of Brockwell, L.
Butterworth, L.
Byford, B.
Cadman, L.
Caithness, E.
Calverley, L.
Campbell of Alloway, L.
Campbell of Croy, L.
Carew, L.
Carlisle, Bp.
Carlisle, E.
Carlisle of Bucklow, L.
Carnarvon, E.
Carrick, E.
Carter, L.
Chalfont, L.
Charteris of Amisfield, L.
Chesham, L.
Christopher, L.
Clancarty, E.
Clanwilliam, E.
Clark of Kempston, L.
Clarke of Hampstead, L.
Clement-Jones, L.
Clinton-Davis, L.
Cockfield, L.
Cocks of Hartcliffe, L.
Coleraine, L.
Colwyn, L.
Constantine of Stanmore, L.
Cooke of Thorndon, L.
Cope of Berkeley, L.
Courtown, E.
Cowdrey of Tonbridge, L.
Craig of Radley, L.
Craigavon, V.
Craigmyle, L.
Cranborne, V.
Crathorne, L.
Crawley, B.
Cross, V.
Cuckney, L.
Currie of Marylebone, L.
Dahrendorf, L.
Darcy de Knayth, B.
David, B.
Davidson, V.
Davies of Coity, L.
Davies of Oldham, L.
Dean of Harptree, L.
Dean of Thornton-le-Fylde, B.
Denham, L.
Desai, L.
Dholakia, L.
Dilhorne, V.
Dixon, L.
Donegall, M.
Dormand of Easington, L.
Downshire, M.
Drogheda, E.
Dulverton, L.
Dundee, E.
Dundonald, E.
Dunleath, L.
Dunrossil, V.
Eatwell, L.
Eccles, V.
Eden of Winton, L.
Elder, L.
Elis-Thomas, L.
Ellenborough, L.
Elles, B.
Elton, L.
Emerton, B.
Erroll, E.
Evans of Parkside, L.
Evans of Watford, L.
Exmouth, V.
Ezra, L.
Falconer of Thoroton, L.
Falkland, V.
Farrington of Ribbleton, B.
Faulkner of Worcester, L.
Fitt, L.
Fookes, B.
Fraser of Carmyllie, L.
Gage, V.
Gainford, L.
Gardner of Parkes, B.
Garel-Jones, L.
Geddes, L.
Geraint, L.
Gilbert, L.
Gisborough, L.
Gladwin of Clee, L.
Glenamara, L.
Glentoran, L.
Gordon of Strathblane, L.
Gormanston, V.
Goschen, V.
Goudie, B.
Gould of Potternewton, B.
Graham of Edmonton, L.
Gray, L.
Gray of Contin, L.
Greenway, L.
Gregson, L.
Grenfell, L.
Grey, E.
Hacking, L.
Halsbury, E.
Hamwee, B.
Hanham, B.
Hanworth, V.
Harding of Petherton, L.
Hardy of Wath, L.
Harmar-Nicholls, L.
Harris of Greenwich, L.
Harris of Haringey, L.
Harris of High Cross, L.
Haskel, L.
Hayhoe, L.
Healey, L.
Hemphill, L.
Henley, L.
Higgins, L.
Hilton of Eggardon, B.
Hogg, B.
Hogg of Cumbernauld, L.
Holderness, L.
Hollis of Heigham, B.
Holme of Cheltenham, L.
HolmPatrick, L.
Hooper, B.
Howe, E.
Hoyle, L.
Hughes of Woodside, L.
Hunt of Kings Heath, L.
Huntingdon, E.
Hussey of North Bradley, L.
Hylton, L.
Hylton-Foster, B.
Ilchester, E.
Inchcape, E.
Ironside, L.
Islwyn, L.
Jacobs, L.
Janner of Braunstone, L.
Jay of Paddington, B.
Jeffreys, L.
Jeger, B.
Jellicoe, E.
Jenkin of Roding, L.
Jenkins of Hillhead, L.
Jenkins of Putney, L.
Kenilworth, L.
Kennedy of The Shaws, B.
Kennet, L.
Killanin, L.
Killearn, L.
Kimball, L.
Kimberley, E.
King of West Bromwich, L.
Kingsland, L.
Kinloss, Ly.
Kinnoull, E.
Kintore, E.
Kirkhill, L.
Kitchener, E.
Knight of Collingtree, B.
Knollys, V.
Laird, L.
Lane of Horsell, L.
Lang of Monkton, L.
Lauderdale, E.
Lawrence, L.
Layton, L.

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Lea of Crondall, L.
Leathers, V.
Leigh, L.
Lewis of Newnham, L.
Lindsay, E.
Lindsey and Abingdon, E.
Listowel, E.
Lockwood, B.
Lofthouse of Pontefract, L.
Long, V.
Longford, E.
Lucas, L.
Lucas of Chilworth, L.
Luke, L.
Lyell, L.
McAlpine of West Green, L.
Macclesfield, E.
McColl of Dulwich, L.
McFarlane of Llandaff, B.
McIntosh of Haringey, L.
Mackay of Ardbrecknish, L.
Mackay of Drumadoon, L.
Mackenzie of Framwellgate, L.
Mackie of Benshie, L.
Mackintosh of Halifax, V.
MacLaurin of Knebworth, L.
McNair, L.
McNally, L.
Macpherson of Drumochter, L.
Maddock, B.
Mancroft, L.
Marlesford, L.
Marsh, L.
Masham of Ilton, B.
Mason of Barnsley, L.
Massereene and Ferrard, V.
Mayhew of Twysden, L.
Merlyn-Rees, L.
Mersey, V.
Meston, L.
Milner of Leeds, L.
Mishcon, L.
Molloy, L.
Molyneaux of Killead, L.
Monkswell, L.
Monson, L.
Montagu of Beaulieu, L.
Montague of Oxford, L.
Montgomery of Alamein, V.
Moore of Wolvercote, L.
Morris, L.
Morris of Castle Morris, L.
Morris of Manchester, L.
Mountevans, L.
Mowbray and Stourton, L.
Moyne, L.
Moynihan, L.
Munster, E.
Murton of Lindisfarne, L.
Napier and Ettrick, L.
Naseby, L.
Nathan, L.
Nelson, E.
Nelson of Stafford, L.
Newall, L.
Newby, L.
Newton of Braintree, L.
Nicholson of Winterbourne, B.
Nicol, B.
Noel-Buxton, L.
Norfolk, D.
Northbrook, L.
Northesk, E.
Norrie, L.
Norton of Louth, L.
Nunburnholme, L.
O’Cathain, B.
Ogmore, L.
Onslow, E.
Onslow of Woking, L.
Oppenheim-Barnes, B.
Oxford, Bp.
Oxfuird, V.
Palmer, L.
Park of Monmouth, B.
Patten, L.
Paul, L.
Pearson of Rannoch, L.
Pender, L.
Perry of Southwark, B.
Perry of Walton, L.
Peston, L.
Peyton of Yeovil, L.
Phillips of Sudbury, L.
Pilkington of Oxenford, L.
Pitkeathley, B.
Platt of Writtle, B.
Ponsonby of Shulbrede, L.
Puttnam, L.
Quinton, L.
Quirk, L.
Radnor, E.
Ramsay of Cartvale, B.
Randall of St. Budeaux, L.
Rathcavan, L.
Rawlinson of Ewell, L.
Razzall, L.
Rea, L.
Reay, L.
Redesdale, L.
Rees, L.
Rendell of Babergh, B.
Renfrew of Kaimsthorn, L.
Rennell, L.
Renton, L.
Renton of Mount Harry, L.
Renwick, L.
Richard, L.
Richardson, L.
Ritchie of Dundee, L.
Roberts of Conwy, L.
Rochester, L.
Rodgers of Quarry Bank, L.
Rogan, L.
Roll of Ipsden, L.
Romney, E.
Russell, E.
Russell-Johnston, L.
Ryder of Wensum, L.
Saatchi, L.
Sainsbury of Turville, L.
Saint Albans, D.
St. John of Bletso, L.
St. John of Fawsley, L.
Saltoun of Abernethy, Ly.
Sandberg, L.
Sanderson of Bowden, L.
Sandwich, E.
Sawyer, L.
Scotland of Asthal, B.
Seccombe, B.
Sefton of Garston, L.
Selborne, E.
Selkirk of Douglas, L.
Selsdon, L.
Sempill, L.
Sewel, L.
Shannon, E.
Sharp of Guildford, B.
Sharples, B.
Shaughnessy, L.
Shaw of Northstead, L.
Shepherd, L.
Shore of Stepney, L.
Shuttleworth, L.
Simon, V.
Simon of Glaisdale, L.
Skelmersdale, L.
Skidelsky, L.
Slim, V.
Smith of Clifton, L.
Smith of Gilmorehill, B.
Soulsby of Swaffham Prior, L.
Southwark, Bp.
Stafford, L.
Stallard, L.
Stanley of Alderley, L.
Steel of Aikwood, L.
Stewartby, L.
Stodart of Leaston, L.
Stone of Blackheath, L.
Strabolgi, L.
Strathcarron, L.
Strathcona and Mt. Royal, L.
Sudeley, L.
Swansea, L.
Swinfen, L.
Swinton, E.
Symons of Vernham Dean, B.
Taverne, L.
Taylor of Warwick, L.
Tenby, V.
Teviot, L.
Teynham, L.
Thomas of Gresford, L.
Thomas of Gwydir, L.
Thomas of Swynnerton, L.
Thomas of Walliswood, B.
Thomson of Monifieth, L.
Thornton, B.
Thurso, V.
Tombs, L.
Tomlinson, L.
Tope, L.
Tordoff, L.
Trefgarne, L.
Trenchard, V.
Trumpington, B.
Tugendhat, L.
Turner of Camden, B.
Uddin, B.
Ullswater, V.
Vivian, L.
Wade of Chorlton, L.
Wakefield, Bp.
Wakeham, L.
Walker of Doncaster, L.

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Wallace of Saltaire, L.
Warner, L.
Warnock, B.
Warwick of Undercliffe, B.
Waterford, M.
Watson of Invergowrie, L.
Watson of Richmond, L.
Waverley, V.
Weatherill, L.
Wedgwood, L.
Westbury, L.
Whaddon, L.
Wharton, B.
Whitty, L.
Wigoder, L.
Wilberforce, L.
Wilcox, B.
Williams of Elvel, L.
Williams of Mostyn, L.
Williamson of Horton, L.
Willoughby de Broke, L.
Windlesham, L.
Wright of Richmond, L.
Young of Old Scone, B.

PRAYERS were read by the Lord Bishop of Bath and Wells.

1.Lord Watson of Richmond—Alan John Watson Esquire, CBE, having been created Baron Watson of Richmond, of Richmond in the London Borough of Richmond upon Thames, for life by Letters Patent dated in the forenoon of 23rd July 1999 (see appendix 1), was introduced between the Lord Jenkins of Hillhead and the Lord Steel of Aikwood, the Gentleman Usher of the Black Rod and Garter King of Arms preceding; and took and subscribed the oath pursuant to statute.
2.Lord King of West Bromwich—Tarsem King Esquire, having been created Baron King of West Bromwich, of West Bromwich in the County of West Midlands, for life by Letters Patent dated in the afternoon of 22nd July 1999 (see appendix 2), was introduced between the Lord Archer of Sandwell and the Lord Tomlinson, the Gentleman Usher of the Black Rod and Garter King of Arms preceding; and took and subscribed the oath pursuant to statute.

Judicial Business

3.Piglowska (A.P.) (Appellant) v. Piglowski (A.P.) (Respondent)—The Cause was further considered; it was ordered that the respondent do pay to the appellant her costs in the Court of Appeal and in this House, the amount of such last-mentioned costs to be certified by the Clerk of the Parliaments if not agreed between the parties; that, for the purposes of section 17(1) of the Legal Aid Act 1988, the liability of the respondent be assessed as £10,000 and that the amount of costs to be paid by him do not exceed that sum and that the said sum be set off against the sum of £10,000 ordered to be paid to the respondent; and that there be no further order as to costs, save that the costs of the parties in this House be taxed in accordance with the Legal Aid Act 1988.

Papers

4.Command Paper—The following paper was presented to the House by command of Her Majesty and ordered to lie on the Table:

Crime—Agreement between the United Kingdom and the Russian Federation on Co–operation in Fighting Crime.

(4403)

5.Negative Instruments—The following instruments were laid before the House and ordered to lie on the Table:
1.Public Airport Companies (Capital Finance) (Second Amendment) Order 1999, laid under the Local Government and Housing Act 1989;
 (2125)
2.Plant Health (Amendment) (England) Order 1999, laid under the Plant Health Act 1967;
 (2126)
3.Appointment of Queen’s Counsel Fees Order 1999, laid under the Access to Justice Act 1999;
 (2138)
4. (i)Education (Proposals for Grammar Schools to cease to have Selective Admission Arrangements) Regulations 1999—(2103)
(ii)Education (Substituted Grammar Schools) Regulations 1999—(2102)
 laid under the School Standards and Framework Act 1998;
5.Nursery Education (England) (Amendment) (No. 2) Regulations 1999, laid under the Nursery Education and Grant–Maintained Schools Act 1996.
 (2130)
6.Paper not subject to parliamentary proceedings—The following paper was laid before the House and ordered to lie on the Table:

Report by the Chairman of Committees and the Chairman of Ways and Means in the House of Commons on the Comhairle Nan Eilean Siar (Eriskay Causeway) Provisional Order, laid under the Private Legislation Procedure (Scotland) Act 1936.

Select Committee Report

7.Delegated Powers and Deregulation—The following Report from the Select Committee was made and ordered to be printed:

26th Report, on the following bills:

 Food Standards Bill;
 Mental Health (Amendment) (Scotland) Bill. (HL Paper 103)

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Public Business

8.Business of the House—It was moved by the Baroness Jay of Paddington that Standing Order 38 (Arrangement of the Order Paper) be dispensed with tomorrow to allow the motion relating to financial assistance to opposition parties to be taken before the Committee stage of the Greater London Authority Bill; the motion was agreed to.
9.Welfare Reform and Pensions Bill—It was moved by the Baroness Hollis of Heigham that the amendments for the Report stage be marshalled and considered in the following order:
Clauses 1 to 6
Schedule 1
Clauses 7 to 18
Schedule 2
Clause 19
Schedule 3
Clauses 20 and 21
Schedule 4
Clauses 22 to 32
Schedule 5
Clauses 33 to 47
Schedule 6
Clauses 48 to 55
Schedule 7
Clauses 56 to 66
Schedule 8
Clauses 67 to 70
Schedules 9 and 10
Clauses 71 to 77
Schedule 11
Clauses 78 to 80
Schedule 12
Clauses 81 to 83
Schedule 13
Clauses 84 to 86;

the motion was agreed to.

10.Immigration and Asylum Bill—The House again resolved itself into a Committee upon the bill; amendments were agreed to; amendments were moved and (by leave of the Committee) withdrawn; the House was resumed.
11.Environmental technologies—The Lord Wade of Chorlton asked Her Majesty’s Government whether they provide an appropriate level of support for the export of United Kingdom environmental technologies and services; after debate, the question was answered by the Lord Sainsbury of Turville.

The House was adjourned during pleasure.

The House was resumed.

12.Immigration and Asylum Bill—The House again resolved itself into a Committee upon the bill; amendments were moved and (by leave of the Committee) withdrawn; amendments were agreed to; the House was resumed and the bill was reported with amendments; it was ordered that the bill be printed as amended. (HL Bill 91)

The House was adjourned at sixteen minutes before midnight
till tomorrow, three o’clock.


APPENDIX 1

ELIZABETH THE SECOND by the Grace of God of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and of Our other Realms and Territories Queen Head of the Commonwealth Defender of the Faith To all Lords Spiritual and Temporal and all other Our Subjects whatsoever to whom these Presents shall come Greeting Know Ye that We of Our especial grace certain knowledge and mere motion in pursuance of the Life Peerages Act 1958 and of all other powers in that behalf Us enabling do by these Presents advance create and prefer Our trusty and well beloved Alan John Watson Esquire Commander of Our Most Excellent Order of the British Empire to the state degree style dignity title and honour of Baron Watson of Richmond of Richmond in Our London Borough of Richmond upon Thames

And for Us Our heirs and successors do appoint give and grant unto him the said name state degree style dignity title and honour of Baron Watson of Richmond to have and to hold unto him for his life

Willing and by these Presents granting for Us Our heirs and successors that he may have hold and possess a seat place and voice in the Parliaments and Public Assemblies and Councils of Us Our heirs and successors within Our United Kingdom amongst the Barons And also that he may enjoy and use all the rights privileges pre-eminences immunities and advantages to the degree of a Baron duly and of right belonging which Barons of Our United Kingdom have heretofore used and enjoyed or as they do at present use and enjoy

In Witness whereof We have caused these Our Letters to be made Patent Witness Ourself at Westminster in the forenoon of the twenty-third day of July in the forty-eighth year of Our Reign

BY WARRANT UNDER THE QUEEN’S SIGN MANUAL

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APPENDIX 2

ELIZABETH THE SECOND by the Grace of God of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and of Our other Realms and Territories Queen Head of the Commonwealth Defender of the Faith To all Lords Spiritual and Temporal and all other Our Subjects whatsoever to whom these Presents shall come Greeting Know Ye that We of Our especial grace certain knowledge and mere motion in pursuance of the Life Peerages Act 1958 and of all other powers in that behalf Us enabling do by these Presents advance create and prefer Our trusty and well beloved Tarsem King Esquire to the state degree style dignity title and honour of Baron King of West Bromwich of West Bromwich in Our County of West Midlands

And for Us Our heirs and successors do appoint give and grant unto him the said name state degree style dignity title and honour of Baron King of West Bromwich to have and to hold unto him for his life

Willing and by these Presents granting for Us Our heirs and successors that he may have hold and possess a seat place and voice in the Parliaments and Public Assemblies and Councils of Us Our heirs and successors within Our United Kingdom amongst the Barons And also that he may enjoy and use all the rights privileges pre-eminences immunities and advantages to the degree of a Baron duly and of right belonging which Barons of Our United Kingdom have heretofore used and enjoyed or as they do at present use and enjoy

In Witness whereof We have caused these Our Letters to be made Patent Witness Ourself at Westminster in the afternoon of the twenty-second day of July in the forty-eighth year of Our Reign

BY WARRANT UNDER THE QUEEN’S SIGN MANUAL