House of Lords Journal 232 (Session 1998-99)


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1998-99

Volume 232      

Monday 19 July 1999

The House met at half-past two o’clock.

The following Lords Spiritual and Temporal were present:

Irvine of Lairg, L.
(Lord Chancellor)

Aberdare, L.
Ackner, L.
Acton, L.
Addington, L.
Addison, V.
Ahmed, L.
Ailesbury, M.
Ailsa, M.
Alexander of Tunis, E.
Allen of Abbeydale, L.
Allenby of Megiddo, V.
Alli, L.
Alton of Liverpool, L.
Amos, B.
Ampthill, L.
Anelay of St. Johns, B.
Annaly, L.
Annan, L.
Archer of Sandwell, L.
Archer of Weston-Super-Mare, L.
Ashley of Stoke, L.
Astor, V.
Astor of Hever, L.
Avebury, L.
Bach, L.
Baker of Dorking, L.
Baldwin of Bewdley, E.
Barnett, L.
Bassam of Brighton, L.
Beaumont of Whitley, L.
Belhaven and Stenton, L.
Berkeley, L.
Biddulph, L.
Birdwood, L.
Blackstone, B.
Blatch, B.
Blease, L.
Bledisloe, V.
Blyth, L.
Boardman, L.
Borrie, L.
Boston of Faversham, L.
Bowness, L.
Bragg, L.
Brentford, V.
Bridgeman, V.
Brightman, L.
Brooke of Alverthorpe, L.
Brookeborough, V.
Brookman, L.
Brooks of Tremorfa, L.
Brougham and Vaux, L.
Bruce of Donington, L.
Bruntisfield, L.
Burlison, L.
Burnham, L.
Butterworth, L.
Cadman, L.
Caithness, E.
Calverley, L.
Campbell of Alloway, L.
Campbell of Croy, L.
Carew, L.
Carlisle, E.
Carrick, E.
Carter, L.
Carver, L.
Chadlington, L.
Chalfont, L.
Chesham, L.
Chorley, L.
Clancarty, E.
Clanwilliam, E.
Clarke of Hampstead, L.
Cledwyn of Penrhos, L.
Clement-Jones, L.
Clinton-Davis, L.
Clyde, L.
Cochrane of Cults, L.
Cockfield, L.
Cocks of Hartcliffe, L.
Coleridge, L.
Colwyn, L.
Cooke of Thorndon, L.
Cope of Berkeley, L.
Courtown, E.
Cox, B.
Craig of Radley, L.
Craigavon, V.
Craigmyle, L.
Cranborne, V.
Crathorne, L.
Crawley, B.
Cross, V.
Cumberlege, B.
Dahrendorf, L.
Darcy de Knayth, B.
David, B.
Davidson, V.
Davies of Coity, L.
Davies of Oldham, L.
De Freyne, L.
Dean of Harptree, L.
Dean of Thornton-le-Fylde, B.
Denham, L.
Denton of Wakefield, B.
Desai, L.
Dholakia, L.
Dixon, L.
Dixon-Smith, L.
Dormand of Easington, L.
Dubs, L.
Eatwell, L.
Elibank, L.
Elles, B.
Elton, L.
Erne, E.
Erroll, E.
Evans of Parkside, L.
Evans of Watford, L.
Ewing of Kirkford, L.
Exmouth, V.
Ezra, L.
Fairfax of Cameron, L.
Falconer of Thoroton, L.
Falkland, V.
Farrington of Ribbleton, B.
Feldman, L.
Ferrers, E.
Feversham, L.
Fitt, L.
Flather, B.
Flowers, L.
Fookes, B.
Forsyth of Drumlean, L.
Fraser of Carmyllie, L.
Freyberg, L.
Gainford, L.
Gardner of Parkes, B.
Garel-Jones, L.
Geddes, L.
Geraint, L.
Gilbert, L.
Gladwin of Clee, L.
Glanusk, L.
Glentoran, L.
Goodhart, L.
Gordon of Strathblane, L.
Goschen, V.
Goudie, B.
Gould of Potternewton, B.
Graham of Edmonton, L.
Gray of Contin, L.
Greenway, L.
Gregson, L.
Grenfell, L.
Gray, L.
Grey, E.
Gridley, L.
Hacking, L.
Halsbury, E.
Hamwee, B.
Hankey, L.
Hanningfield, L.
Harding of Petherton, L.
Hardy of Wath, L.
Harlech, L.
Harris of Greenwich, L.
Harris of Haringey, L.
Harris of High Cross, L.
Harrowby, E.
Haskel, L.
Haslam, L.
Hayhoe, L.
Henley, L.
Hereford, Bp.
Higgins, L.

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Hilton of Eggardon, B.
Hoffmann, L.
Hogg of Cumbernauld, L.
Holderness, L.
HolmPatrick, L.
Hooper, B.
Hooson, L.
Howe, E.
Howie of Troon, L.
Hoyle, L.
Hughes, L.
Hughes of Woodside, L.
Hunt of Kings Heath, L.
Hunt of Wirral, L.
Huntingdon, E.
Hylton, L.
Hylton-Foster, B.
Inglewood, L.
Ironside, L.
Islwyn, L.
Iveagh, E.
Janner of Braunstone, L.
Jay of Paddington, B.
Jeffreys, L.
Jeger, B.
Jellicoe, E.
Jenkin of Roding, L.
Jenkins of Hillhead, L.
Jenkins of Putney, L.
Judd, L.
Kenilworth, L.
Kennet, L.
Kingsland, L.
Kinloss, Ly.
Kinnoull, E.
Knight of Collingtree, B.
Knollys, V.
Laming, L.
Lauderdale, E.
Lawrence, L.
Layton, L.
Leathers, V.
Leigh, L.
Levy, L.
Lindsay, E.
Listowel, E.
Lloyd-George of Dwyfor, E.
Lockwood, B.
Lofthouse of Pontefract, L.
Long, V.
Longford, E.
Lucas, L.
Lucas of Chilworth, L.
Luke, L.
Lyell, L.
McCarthy, L.
Macclesfield, E.
McColl of Dulwich, L.
Macfarlane of Bearsden, L.
McFarlane of Llandaff, B.
McIntosh of Haringey, L.
Mackay of Ardbrecknish, L.
Mackenzie of Framwellgate, L.
Mackintosh of Halifax, V.
McNair, L.
McNally, L.
Maddock, B.
Mallalieu, B.
Mancroft, L.
Mar, C.
Marlesford, L.
Marsh, L.
Masham of Ilton, B.
Mason of Barnsley, L.
Massereene and Ferrard, V.
Merlyn-Rees, L.
Mersey, V.
Miller of Chilthorne Domer, B.
Millett, L.
Milner of Leeds, L.
Milverton, L.
Mishcon, L.
Molloy, L.
Molyneaux of Killead, L.
Monkswell, L.
Monson, L.
Montagu of Beaulieu, L.
Montague of Oxford, L.
Montgomery of Alamein, V.
Morris, L.
Morris of Castle Morris, L.
Morris of Manchester, L.
Mountevans, L.
Mowbray and Stourton, L.
Moyne, L.
Moynihan, L.
Munster, E.
Murton of Lindisfarne, L.
Napier and Ettrick, L.
Naseby, L.
Nathan, L.
Nelson, E.
Newall, L.
Newton of Braintree, L.
Nicol, B.
Nicholls of Birkenhead, L.
Noel-Buxton, L.
Northbrook, L.
Northesk, E.
Norton, L.
Norwich, Bp.
Nunburnholme, L.
O’Cathain, B.
Oppenheim-Barnes, B.
Orme, L.
Oxford, Bp.
Palmer, L.
Park of Monmouth, B.
Patel, L.
Patten, L.
Pearson of Rannoch, L.
Pender, L.
Perry of Southwark, B.
Perry of Walton, L.
Peston, L.
Peyton of Yeovil, L.
Pike, B.
Pilkington of Oxenford, L.
Pitkeathley, B.
Ponsonby of Shulbrede, L.
Prys-Davies, L.
Puttnam, L.
Pym, L.
Ramsay of Cartvale, B.
Randall of St. Budeaux, L.
Rawlings, B.
Redesdale, L.
Rendell of Babergh, B.
Rennell, L.
Renton, L.
Renwick, L.
Richard, L.
Ripon, Bp.
Rix, L.
Roberts of Conwy, L.
Rodgers of Quarry Bank, L.
Rowallan, L.
Russell, E.
Russell-Johnston, L.
Ryder of Wensum, L.
Saatchi, L.
Saint Albans, D.
St. John of Bletso, L.
St. John of Fawsley, L.
Sandberg, L.
Sandwich, E.
Sawyer, L.
Scotland of Asthal, B.
Seccombe, B.
Sefton of Garston, L.
Serota, B.
Sewel, L.
Shannon, E.
Sharples, B.
Shaw of Northstead, L.
Shepherd, L.
Shore of Stepney, L.
Simon, V.
Simon of Glaisdale, L.
Skelmersdale, L.
Slim, V.
Slynn of Hadley, L.
Smith of Clifton, L.
Smith of Gilmorehill, B.
Soulsby of Swaffham Prior, L.
Southwark, Bp.
Stallard, L.
Stewartby, L.
Steyn, L.
Strabolgi, L.
Strange, B.
Strathcarron, L.
Strathclyde, L.
Sudeley, L.
Swinfen, L.
Symons of Vernham Dean, B.
Taylor of Blackburn, L.
Taylor of Warwick, L.
Teviot, L.
Teynham, L.
Thomas of Macclesfield, L.
Thomson of Monifieth, L.
Thornton, B.
Thurso, V.
Tope, L.
Tordoff, L.
Trefgarne, L.
Trumpington, B.
Turner of Camden, B.
Tweeddale, M.
Uddin, B.
Ullswater, V.
Vivian, L.
Waddington, L.
Wade of Chorlton, L.
Wakeham, L.
Walker of Doncaster, L.

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Wallace of Saltaire, L.
Walton of Detchant, L.
Warner, L.
Warwick of Undercliffe, B.
Watson of Invergowrie, L.
Waverley, V.
Weatherill, L.
Wedgwood, L.
Westbury, L.
Wharton, B.
Whitty, L.
Wigoder, L.
Wilberforce, L.
Wilcox, B.
Williams of Crosby, B.
Williams of Elvel, L.
Williams of Mostyn, L.
Wilson of Tillyorn, L.
Winston, L.
Wright of Richmond, L.
Young, B.
Young of Dartington, L.
Young of Old Scone, B.

PRAYERS were read by the Lord Bishop of Hereford.

1.Leave of Absence—It was ordered that the leave of absence granted to the Viscount Margesson be terminated.

Judicial Business

2.Regina v. Secretary of State for the Home Department (Respondent) ex parte Daly (A.P.) (Petitioner)—The petition of George Anthony Daly praying for leave to appeal was presented and referred to an Appeal Committee. The petitioners legal aid certificate was lodged.
3.United Norwest Co-operatives Limited (Petitioners) v. Commissioners of Customs and Excise (Respondents)—The petition of United Norwest Co-operatives Limited praying for leave to appeal was presented and referred to an Appeal Committee.
4.London Borough of Bromley (Respondents) v. Morritt (Petitioner)—The petition of Jeremy Daniel Morritt praying for leave to appeal was presented and referred to an Appeal Committee.
5.Miah and others (Respondents) v. Khan (A.P.) (Appellant) and one other action—The petition of the appellant praying that the time for lodging the statement and appendix and setting down the cause for hearing might be extended to 31st August next or to the third sitting day after the next ensuing meeting of the House (the agents for the respondents consenting thereto) was presented; and it was ordered as prayed.
6.Turkington and others (practising as McCartan Turkington Breen) (Respondents) v. Times Newspapers Limited (Appellants) (Northern Ireland)—The petition of the appellants praying that the time for lodging the statement and appendix and setting down the cause for hearing might be extended to 31st August next or to the third sitting day after the next ensuing meeting of the House (the agents for the respondents consenting thereto) was presented; and it was ordered as prayed.
7.Consorzio del Prosciutto di Parma (Appellants) v. ASDA Stores Limited and others (Respondents)—The petition of the appellants praying that the time for lodging the statement and appendix and setting down the cause for hearing might be extended to 30th August next (the agents for the respondents consenting thereto) was presented; and it was ordered as prayed.

Papers

8.Statutory Instruments (Standing Order 68)—The following negative instruments, having been laid before the House on 16th July, were ordered to lie on the Table:
1. Magistrates’ Courts (Reciprocal Enforcement of Maintenance Orders) (Hague Convention Countries) Rules 1999, laid under the Magistrates’ Courts Act 1980;
 (2002)
2.Holme Lacy College (Dissolution) Order 1999, laid under the Further and Higher Education Act 1992;
 (1997)
3.Independent Analogue Broadcasters (Reservation of Digital Capacity) (Amendment) Order 1999, laid under the Broadcasting Act 1996.
 (1996)
9.Negative Instruments—The following instruments were laid before the House and ordered to lie on the Table:
1. (i)Pressure Equipment Regulations 1999—(2001)
(ii)Yugoslavia (Prohibition of Flights) Regulations 1999—(2018)
 laid under the European Communities Act 1972;
2.General Teaching Council for England (Constitution) (Amendment) Regulations 1999, laid under the Teaching and Higher Education Act 1998.
 (2019)
10.Papers not subject to parliamentary proceedings—The following papers were laid before the House and ordered to lie on the Table:
1.Report and Accounts for 1998–99 of the Pay and Personnel Agency, together with the Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General, laid under the Exchequer and Audit Departments Act 1921;

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2.Report and Accounts for 1998–99 of the Liverpool Housing Action Trust, laid under the Housing Act 1988;
3.Accounts for 1998–99 of the Human Fertilisation and Embryology Authority, together with the Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General, laid under the Human Fertilisation and Embryology Act 1990;
4.Report for 1998–99 of the Serious Fraud Office, laid under the Criminal Justice Act 1987;
5.Report for 1998–99 of the Countryside Council for Wales, laid under the Environmental Protection Act 1990;
6.Report for 1998–99 of the Audit Commission, laid under the Audit Commission Act 1998;
27.Report for 1998–99 of the Criminal Cases Review Commission, laid under the Criminal Appeal Act 1995.

Select Committee Report

11.Liaison—The 2nd Report from the Select Committee was made (see appendix); it was ordered that the Report be printed. (HL Paper 90)

Public Business

12.Immigration and Asylum Bill—The House again resolved itself into a Committee upon the bill; amendments were agreed to; amendments were moved and (by leave of the Committee) withdrawn; the House was resumed.
13.Disability Rights Commission Bill [HL]—The Commons amendments were considered and agreed to; and the privilege amendment was agreed to.

The House was adjourned during pleasure.

The House was resumed.

14.Immigration and Asylum Bill—The House again resolved itself into a Committee upon the bill; amendments were agreed to; amendments were moved and (by leave of the Committee) withdrawn; the House was resumed after clause 59 stood part.

The House was adjourned at five minutes past midnight
in the morning of Tuesday 20th July till later the same day,
half-past two o’clock in the afternoon.


APPENDIX

LIAISON COMMITTEE

Second Report
Session 1998–99


Monday 19 July 1999


By the Select Committee appointed to advise the House on the resources required for select committee work and to allocate resources between select committees; to review the select committee work of the House; to consider requests for ad hoc committees and report to the House with recommendations; to ensure effective co-ordination between the two Houses; and to consider the availability of Lords to serve on committees.

Ordered to Report

Future committee activity

1. The Committee has given further consideration to the future committee work of the House.

Overseas Trade

2. We were informed of the withdrawal by Lord Ezra of his proposal for a new committee on Overseas Trade to review developments since the last committee on that subject reported in 1985.

International Affairs

3. We considered a proposal put forward by the Earl of Sandwich for the establishment of a Select Committee on International Affairs. This would be a sessional rather than an ad hoc committee. We

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have doubts about the timeliness of appointing such a committee now, but we noted the strength of support for the proposal from members of the House and we propose to keep the matter under review.

Pre-legislative scrutiny

4. In our First Report of this Session we welcomed the involvement of this House in pre-legislative scrutiny, but expressed the hope that it would in future be possible to co-ordinate the appointment of similar committees and to give reasonable notice in each case. We were therefore disappointed to note that the Select Committee on the draft Freedom of Information Bill had been appointed at short notice at the same time as the Joint Committee on the draft Local Government (Organisation and Standards) Bill, creating acute staffing difficulties. We were however encouraged to learn that the Government hope to be able to introduce a degree of co-ordination into the arrangements for pre-legislative scrutiny next Session.

Ad hoc committees

5. We were informed that the Select Committee on the Monetary Policy Committee of the Bank of England is expected to report shortly. In the autumn we hope to be able to recommend the appointment of a successor ad hoc committee, and we shall welcome proposals for suitable subjects.

Committee staff

6. We noted with satisfaction the Clerk of the Parliaments’ intention to strengthen the staff of the Committee Office in the autumn, by means of the appointment of two additional Clerks and three additional support staff, with a view to increasing the resources available to serve existing committees and to provide some capacity to serve committees undertaking pre-legislative scrutiny.