House of Lords Journal 232 (Session 1998-99)


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Thursday 15 July 1999

The House met at two o’clock.

The following Lords Spiritual and Temporal were present:

Irvine of Lairg, L.
(Lord Chancellor)

Aberdare, L.
Ackner, L.
Acton, L.
Addington, L.
Addison, V.
Ahmed, L.
Ailesbury, M.
Ailsa, M.
Alexander of Tunis, E.
Allenby of Megiddo, V.
Amos, B.
Ampthill, L.
Anelay of St. Johns, B.
Annaly, L.
Annan, L.
Archer of Sandwell, L.
Archer of Weston-Super-Mare, L.
Ashbourne, L.
Ashley of Stoke, L.
Astor, V.
Astor of Hever, L.
Avebury, L.
Bach, L.
Baker of Dorking, L.
Baldwin of Bewdley, E.
Barnett, L.
Beaumont of Whitley, L.
Belhaven and Stenton, L.
Belstead, L.
Berkeley, L.
Berners, B.
Biddulph, L.
Birdwood, L.
Blackstone, B.
Blackwell, L.
Blatch, B.
Blease, L.
Bledisloe, V.
Blyth, L.
Borrie, L.
Boston of Faversham, L.
Bowness, L.
Brabazon of Tara, L.
Bragg, L.
Bridgeman, V.
Brightman, L.
Brooke of Alverthorpe, L.
Brooks of Tremorfa, L.
Brougham and Vaux, L.
Bruce of Donington, L.
Bruntisfield, L.
Burlison, L.
Burnham, L.
Buscombe, B.
Butterfield, L.
Byford, B.
Cadman, L.
Caithness, E.
Calverley, L.
Campbell of Alloway, L.

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Campbell of Croy, L.
Carew, L.
Carlisle, E.
Carlisle of Bucklow, L.
Carnarvon, E.
Carnegy of Lour, B.
Carr of Hadley, L.
Carter, L.
Castle of Blackburn, B.
Chalfont, L.
Chalker of Wallasey, B.
Charteris of Amisfield, L.
Chesham, L.
Chorley, L.
Christopher, L.
Clancarty, E.
Clanwilliam, E.
Clark of Kempston, L.
Clarke of Hampstead, L.
Clement-Jones, L.
Clinton-Davis, L.
Clyde, L.
Cockfield, L.
Cocks of Hartcliffe, L.
Coleraine, L.
Colwyn, L.
Cooke of Islandreagh, L.
Cooke of Thorndon, L.
Cope of Berkeley, L.
Courtown, E.
Cowdrey of Tonbridge, L.
Cox, B.
Craig of Radley, L.
Craigavon, V.
Craigmyle, L.
Cranborne, V.
Crawley, B.
Crickhowell, L.
Cross, V.
Cuckney, L.
Dacre of Glanton, L.
Dahrendorf, L.
David, B.
Davidson, V.
Davies of Coity, L.
Davies of Oldham, L.
Dean of Harptree, L.
Dean of Thornton-le-Fylde, B.
Denbigh, E.
Denham, L.
Denton of Wakefield, B.
Desai, L.
Dholakia, L.
Diamond, L.
Dilhorne, V.
Dixon, L.
Dixon-Smith, L.
Donegall, M.
Donoughue, L.
Dormand of Easington, L.
Downshire, M.
Drogheda, E.
Dubs, L.
Dudley, E.
Dunleath, L.
Eames, L.
Eden of Winton, L.
Elibank, L.
Ellenborough, L.
Elles, B.
Elton, L.
Erne, E.
Erroll, E.
Evans of Parkside, L.
Evans of Watford, L.
Exmouth, V.
Ezra, L.
Falconer of Thoroton, L.
Falkland, V.
Farrington of Ribbleton, B.
Ferrers, E.
Fitt, L.
Fookes, B.
Forbes, L.
Forsyth of Drumlean, L.
Freeman, L.
Freyberg, L.
Gainford, L.
Gardner of Parkes, B.
Garel-Jones, L.
Geddes, L.
Geraint, L.
Gilbert, L.
Gisborough, L.
Gladwin of Clee, L.
Gladwyn, L.
Glanusk, L.
Glenarthur, L.
Glentoran, L.
Gloucester, Bp.
Goodhart, L.
Gordon of Strathblane, L.
Goudie, B.
Gould of Potternewton, B.
Gowrie, E.
Graham of Edmonton, L.
Gray, L.
Greenway, L.
Greenwood, V.
Grenfell, L.
Grey, E.
Hacking, L.
Haig, E.
Halsbury, E.
Hamwee, B.
Hankey, L.
Hanningfield, L.
Hanworth, V.
Hardie, L.
Harding of Petherton, L.
Hardy of Wath, L.
Harlech, L.
Harmar-Nicholls, L.
Harris of Greenwich, L.
Harris of Haringey, L.
Harris of High Cross, L.
Harrowby, E.
Haskel, L.
Haslam, L.
Hayhoe, L.
Hayter, L.
Healey, L.
Henley, L.
Hilton of Eggardon, B.
Hobhouse of Woodborough, L.
Hoffmann, L.
Hogg of Cumbernauld, L.
Holderness, L.
Hollick, L.
Hollis of Heigham, B.
HolmPatrick, L.
Home, E.
Hood, V.
Hooper, B.
Hooson, L.
Hope of Craighead, L.
Hothfield, L.
Howe, E.
Howie of Troon, L.
Hoyle, L.
Hughes, L.
Hughes of Woodside, L.
Hunt of Kings Heath, L.
Hunt of Wirral, L.
Huntingdon, E.
Hurd of Westwell, L.
Hussey of North Bradley, L.
Hutton, L.
Hylton-Foster, B.
Ironside, L.
Islwyn, L.
Iveagh, E.
Jakobovits, L.
Janner of Braunstone, L.
Jay of Paddington, B.
Jeger, B.
Jellicoe, E.
Jenkins of Hillhead, L.
Jenkins of Putney, L.
Jopling, L.
Judd, L.
Kennedy of The Shaws, B.
Kennet, L.
Kimball, L.
Kinloss, Ly.
Kinnoull, E.
Kintore, E.
Kirkhill, L.
Kirkwood, L.
Knight of Collingtree, B.
Knollys, V.
Knutsford, V.
Laing of Dunphail, L.
Laming, L.
Lamont of Lerwick, L.
Lauderdale, E.
Lawrence, L.
Leathers, V.
Leigh, L.
Lester of Herne Hill, L.
Lindsey and Abingdon, E.
Linklater of Butterstone, B.
Listowel, E.
Lloyd-George of Dwyfor, E.
Lockwood, B.
Lofthouse of Pontefract, L.
Long, V.
Longford, E.
Lovell-Davis, L.
Lucas, L.
Lucas of Chilworth, L.
Ludford, B.
Luke, L.
Lytton, E.
McColl of Dulwich, L.
McFarlane of Llandaff, B.
McIntosh of Haringey, L.

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Mackay of Ardbrecknish, L.
Mackay of Drumadoon, L.
Mackenzie of Framwellgate, L.
McNair, L.
McNally, L.
Maddock, B.
Mallalieu, B.
Mancroft, L.
Mar, C.
Mar and Kellie, E.
Marlesford, L.
Marsh, L.
Mason of Barnsley, L.
Massereene and Ferrard, V.
Mayhew of Twysden, L.
Merlyn-Rees, L.
Mersey, V.
Meston, L.
Methuen, L.
Miller of Chilthorne Domer, B.
Miller of Hendon, B.
Millett, L.
Milner of Leeds, L.
Mishcon, L.
Molloy, L.
Molyneaux of Killead, L.
Monk Bretton, L.
Monkswell, L.
Monson, L.
Montagu of Beaulieu, L.
Montague of Oxford, L.
Montgomery of Alamein, V.
Moran, L.
Morris, L.
Morris of Castle Morris, L.
Morris of Manchester, L.
Mountevans, L.
Mowbray and Stourton, L.
Moyne, L.
Moynihan, L.
Munster, E.
Murray of Epping Forest, L.
Napier and Ettrick, L.
Napier of Magdâla, L.
Naseby, L.
Nelson, E.
Newall, L.
Newby, L.
Newton of Braintree, L.
Nicol, B.
Nicholls of Birkenhead, L.
Noel-Buxton, L.
Norfolk, D.
Norrie, L.
Northbrook, L.
Northesk, E.
Norton of Louth, L.
Norwich, Bp.
Nunburnholme, L.
O’Cathain, B.
Onslow, E.
Oppenheim-Barnes, B.
Palmer, L.
Park of Monmouth, B.
Paul, L.
Pearson of Rannoch, L.
Pender, L.
Perry of Southwark, B.
Perry of Walton, L.
Peston, L.
Phillips of Sudbury, L.
Pilkington of Oxenford, L.
Pitkeathley, B.
Plant of Highfield, L.
Platt of Writtle, B.
Plumb, L.
Plummer of St. Marylebone, L.
Ponsonby of Shulbrede, L.
Puttnam, L.
Pym, L.
Quirk, L.
Ramsay of Cartvale, B.
Randall of St. Budeaux, L.
Rathcavan, L.
Rawlings, B.
Razzall, L.
Rea, L.
Reay, L.
Redesdale, L.
Rendell of Babergh, B.
Renton, L.
Renton of Mount Harry, L.
Renwick, L.
Renwick of Clifton, L.
Richard, L.
Ridley, V.
Ripon, Bp.
Rix, L.
Roberts of Conwy, L.
Rochester, L.
Rodgers of Quarry Bank, L.
Rogers of Riverside, L.
Rotherwick, L.
Rowallan, L.
Russell, E.
Russell-Johnston, L.
Ryder of Wensum, L.
Sainsbury of Turville, L.
Saint Albans, D.
St. Davids, V.
St. John of Bletso, L.
St. John of Fawsley, L.
Sandberg, L.
Sandford, L.
Sandwich, E.
Sandys, L.
Saville of Newdigate, L.
Sawyer, L.
Seccombe, B.
Selkirk of Douglas, L.
Serota, B.
Sewel, L.
Shannon, E.
Sharp of Guildford, B.
Shaughnessy, L.
Shaw of Northstead, L.
Shepherd, L.
Shore of Stepney, L.
Simon, V.
Simon of Glaisdale, L.
Simon of Highbury, L.
Slim, V.
Slynn of Hadley, L.
Smith of Clifton, L.
Smith of Gilmorehill, B.
Soulsby of Swaffham Prior, L.
Stallard, L.
Stewartby, L.
Steyn, L.
Stoddart of Swindon, L.
Stone of Blackheath, L.
Strabolgi, L.
Strange, B.
Strathcarron, L.
Strathclyde, L.
Sudeley, L.
Suffield, L.
Symons of Vernham Dean, B.
Taverne, L.
Taylor of Blackburn, L.
Taylor of Warwick, L.
Tenby, V.
Teviot, L.
Thatcher, B.
Thomas of Gwydir, L.
Thomas of Swynnerton, L.
Thomas of Walliswood, B.
Thomson of Monifieth, L.
Thornton, B.
Thurlow, L.
Thurso, V.
Tomlinson, L.
Tope, L.
Tordoff, L.
Torrington, V.
Trefgarne, L.
Trenchard, V.
Trumpington, B.
Tryon, L.
Tugendhat, L.
Turner of Camden, B.
Uddin, B.
Ullswater, V.
Varley, L.
Vivian, L.
Waddington, L.
Wade of Chorlton, L.
Wakeham, L.
Walker of Doncaster, L.
Walpole, L.
Warner, L.
Warnock, B.
Warwick of Undercliffe, B.
Watson of Invergowrie, L.
Waverley, V.
Weatherill, L.
Wedgwood, L.
Westbury, L.
Wharton, B.
Whitty, L.
Wigoder, L.
Wilberforce, L.
Wilcox, B.
Williams of Crosby, B.
Williams of Elvel, L.
Williams of Mostyn, L.
Wise, L.
Wright of Richmond, L.
Wynford, L.
Young, B.
Young of Old Scone, B.

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PRAYERS were read by the Lord Bishop of Gloucester.

Judicial Business

1.Swiggs and others (Respondents) v. Nagarajan (A.P.) (Appellant)—The Report from the Appellate Committee was agreed to; it was ordered and adjudged that the Order of the Court of Appeal of 7th November 1997 be set aside save as to legal aid taxation and that the Orders of the Industrial Tribunal of 23rd June 1994 and 23rd August 1994 be restored; that the respondents do pay to the appellant his costs in the Court of Appeal and before this House, the amount of such last-mentioned costs to be certified by the Clerk of the Parliaments if not agreed between the parties; and that the costs of the appellant in this House be taxed in accordance with the Legal Aid Act 1988.
2.Mann and others (Appellants) v. Secretary of State for Employment (Respondent)—The Report from the Appellate Committee was agreed to; it was ordered and adjudged that the Order of the Court of Appeal of 30th September 1996 be affirmed and the appeal dismissed with costs, the amount thereof to be certified by the Clerk of the Parliaments if not agreed between the parties, such costs to include provision for three counsel for each party.
3.Axis West Developments Limited (Appellants) v. Chartwell Land Investments Limited (Respondents) (Scotland)—The Report from the Appellate Committee was agreed to; it was ordered and adjudged that the Interlocutor of the First Division of the Court of Session of 14th November 1997 be affirmed and the appeal dismissed with the costs of the proceedings in this House, the amount thereof to be certified by the Clerk of the Parliaments if not agreed between the parties; and that the cause be remitted back to the Inner House of the Court of Session to deal with any question of expenses which may be outstanding.
4.Regina v. Bow Street Magistrates’ Court and Allison (A.P.) (Respondent) ex parte Government of the United States of America (Appellants) (On appeal from a Divisional Court of the Queen’s Bench Division)—The Report from the Appellate Committee was agreed to; it was ordered and adjudged that the appeal be allowed; that the Order of the Divisional Court of 13th May 1998 be set aside; that the decision of Mr Evans, sitting at Bow Street Magistrates’ Court on 11th June 1997, to discharge the respondent on the first and second proposed charges be quashed; that the cause be remitted back to the Magistrates at Bow Street for re-consideration; and that there be no order as to costs.
5.Commissioner of Police for the Metropolis (Appellant) v. Reeves (A.P.) (Joint administratrix of the Estate of Martin Lynch, deceased) (Respondent)—The Report from the Appellate Committee was agreed to; it was ordered and adjudged that the Order of the Court of Appeal of 10th November 1997 be varied so that, in paragraph 2, for the figure “£8,690” there shall be substituted the figure “£4,345” and the words “in the sum of £400” shall be deleted; that the costs of the respondent in this House be paid by the appellant, the amount thereof to be certified by the Clerk of the Parliaments if not agreed between the parties; and that the costs of the respondent in this House be taxed in accordance with the Legal Aid Act 1988.
6.Appeal Committee—The 52nd Report was made; the Appeal Committee reported that they had met and had heard Counsel; the report was agreed to and the following Orders were made—

Hamilton (Respondent) v. Al Fayed (Petitioner)—That leave to appeal be given on terms that the petitioner do pay the respondent’s costs in any event and that the petition of appeal be lodged by 29th July next.

Gibbs Mew plc (Respondents) v. Gemmel (A.P.) (Petitioner) and one other action—That leave to appeal be refused; that the costs of the petitioner be taxed in accordance with the Legal Aid Act 1988; and that the respondents costs be paid out of the Legal Aid Fund in accordance with section 18 of the Legal Aid Act 1988, such order to be suspended until 12th August to enable the Legal Aid board to object if they wish.

Passmore (Petitioner) v. Morland plc and others (Respondents)—That leave to appeal be refused; and that the petitioners do pay to the respondents the costs of the petition, the amount thereof be certified by the Clerk of the Parliaments if not agreed between the parties.

Inntrepreneur Pub Company (CPC) (formerly known as Inntrepreneur Pub Company (CPC) Limited) (Respondents) v. Langton (A.P.) (Petitioner) and another—That leave to appeal be refused; that the costs of the petitioner be taxed in accordance with the Legal Aid Act 1988; and that the respondents costs be paid out of the Legal Aid Fund in accordance with section 18 of the Legal Aid Act 1988, such order to be suspended until 12th August to enable the Legal Aid board to object if they wish.

MCC Proceeds Inc (incorporated under the laws of the State of Delaware as Trustee of The Maxwell Macmillan Realization Liquidating Trust) (Respondents) v. Bishopsgate Investment Trust plc and others (Petitioners)—That leave to appeal be refused; and that the petitioners do pay to the respondents the costs of the petition, the amount thereof be certified by the Clerk of the Parliaments if not agreed between the parties.

MCC Proceeds Inc (incorporated under the laws of the state of Delaware as trustee of The Maxwell Macmillan Realization Liquidating Trust) (Petitioners) v. Bishopsgate Investment Trust plc and others (Respondents)—That leave to appeal be refused.

The House was adjourned during pleasure.

The House was resumed.

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7.Lord Forsyth of Drumlean—The Right Honourable Sir Michael Bruce Forsyth, Knight, having been created Baron Forsyth of Drumlean in Stirling, for life by Letters Patent dated in the forenoon of 14th July 1999 (see appendix 1), was introduced between the Lord Harris of High Cross and the Baroness Thatcher, the Gentleman Usher of the Black Rod and Garter King of Arms preceding; and took and subscribed the oath pursuant to statute.
8.Baroness Warwick of Undercliffe—Miss Diana Mary Warwick, having been created Baroness Warwick of Undercliffe, in the County of West Yorkshire, for life by Letters Patent dated 10th July 1999 (see appendix 2), was introduced between the Baroness Symons of Vernham Dean and the Baroness Amos, the Gentleman Usher of the Black Rod and Garter King of Arms preceding; and took and subscribed the oath pursuant to statute.

Papers

9.Command Paper—The following paper was presented to the House by command of Her Majesty and ordered to lie on the Table:

Long Term Care—Government Response to the 4th Report of the House of Commons Health Committee on Long Term Care.

(4414)

10.Negative Instrument—The following instrument was laid before the House and ordered to lie on the Table:

Merchant Shipping (Marine Equipment) Regulations 1999, laid under the European Communities Act 1972.

(1957)

11.Papers not subject to parliamentary proceedings—The following papers were laid before the House and ordered to lie on the Table:
1.Report and Accounts for 1998–99 of:
(i)the Medicines Control Agency—
(ii)the Central Office of Information—
(iii)the Queen Elizabeth II Conference Centre—
(iv)the Vehicle Inspectorate—
 together with the Reports of the Comptroller and Auditor General, laid under the Government Trading Funds Act 1973;
2.Financial Statements for 1998–99 of the South Bank Centre, laid under the Local Government Act 1985;
3.Report for 1998–99 of the English Tourist Board, laid under the Development of Tourism Act 1969;
4.Reports for 1998 of the Medicines Act 1968 Advisory Bodies, laid under the Medicines Act 1968;
5.Accounts for 1998–99 of the Scottish Higher Education Funding Council, together with the Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General, laid under the Further and Higher Education (Scotland) Act 1992;
6.Accounts for 1998–99 of the Countryside Council for Wales, together with the Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General, laid under the Environmental Protection Act 1990;
7.Report for 1998–99 of the National Disability Council, laid under the Disability Discrimination Act 1995;
8.Report for 1998–99 of the Engineering and Physical Sciences Research Council (EPSRC), together with the Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General, laid under the Science and Technology Act 1965.

Public Business

12.Company and Business Names (Chamber of Commerce, Etc.) Bill—The order of commitment was discharged.
13.Consolidated Fund (Appropriation) Bill (Money Bill)—It was moved by the Lord McIntosh of Haringey that the bill be now read a second time; the motion was agreed to and the Committee was negatived; then, Standing Order 44 having been dispensed with, the bill was read a third time and passed.
14.Trustee Delegation Bill [HL]—The bill was returned from the Commons agreed to.
15.Commonwealth Development Corporation Bill [HL]—The bill was returned from the Commons agreed to with amendments and with a privilege amendment; it was ordered that the Commons amendments be printed. (HL Bill 83)

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16.Pollution Prevention and Control Bill [HL]—The bill was returned from the Commons agreed to with amendments and with a privilege amendment; it was ordered that the Commons amendments be printed. (HL Bill 84)
17.Employment Relations Bill—The bill was read a third time; amendments were agreed to; amendments were disagreed to (see division lists 1 and 2); an amendment was moved and (by leave of the House) withdrawn; then the bill was passed and returned to the Commons with amendments.
18.Local Government Bill—The bill was read a third time; amendments were moved and (by leave of the House) withdrawn; an amendment was disagreed to (see division list 3); then the bill was passed and returned to the Commons with amendments.
19.Royal Assent—The Lord Speaker (Baroness Serota) notified the Queen’s Assent to the following Acts:
Appropriation Actc. 13
Protection of Children Actc. 14
Trustee Delegation Actc. 15
20.Adoption (Intercountry Aspects) Bill—The order of commitment was discharged.
21.Football (Offences and Disorder) Bill—It was moved by the Lord Archer of Weston-Super-Mare that the bill be now read a second time; after debate, the motion was agreed to and the bill was committed to a Committee of the Whole House.
22.National Health Service (General Medical Services) Amendment (No. 2) Regulations 1999—It was moved by the Earl Howe that an Humble Address be presented to Her Majesty praying that the Regulations, laid before the House on 10th June, be annulled (S.I. 1999/1627); after debate, the motion was (by leave of the House) withdrawn.

The House was adjourned at half-past eight o’clock
till tomorrow, eleven o’clock.


DIVISIONS

Division No. 1

EMPLOYMENT RELATIONS BILL

It was moved by the Lord Razzall, after clause 17, to insert the new Clause (Discrimination in the work-place on grounds of sexual orientation); which being objected to, the question was put thereupon, and the House divided:

Contents.............33

Not-Contents.............126

CONTENTS

Beaumont of Whitley, L.
Calverley, L.
Carlisle, E.
Clement-Jones, L.
Dholakia, L.
Falkland, V.
Geraint, L.
Grey, E.
Hamwee, B.
Harris of Greenwich, L.
Linklater of Butterstone, B.
McNair, L.
McNally, L.
Mar and Kellie, E.
Methuen, L.
Miller of Chilthorne Domer, B.
Newby, L.
Phillips of Sudbury, L.
Razzall, L. [Teller]
Redesdale, L.
Rochester, L.
Rodgers of Quarry Bank, L.
Russell, E. [Teller]
Sandberg, L.
Sharp of Guildford, B.
Smith of Clifton, L.
Taverne, L.
Thomas of Walliswood, B.
Thomson of Monifieth, L.
Thurso, V.
Tope, L.
Wigoder, L.
Williams of Crosby, B.

NOT-CONTENTS

Acton, L.
Ahmed, L.
Allenby of Megiddo, V.
Amos, B.
Archer of Sandwell, L.
Ashbourne, L.
Ashley of Stoke, L.
Barnett, L.
Belhaven and Stenton, L.
Berkeley, L.
Blackstone, B.
Blyth, L.
Borrie, L.
Bragg, L.
Brooke of Alverthorpe, L.
Brooks of Tremorfa, L.
Bruce of Donington, L.
Burlison, L.
Carter, L. [Teller]
Castle of Blackburn, B.
Charteris of Amisfield, L.
Christopher, L.
Clarke of Hampstead, L.
Clinton-Davis, L.
Cocks of Hartcliffe, L.
Crawley, B.
Dacre of Glanton, L.
David, B.
Davies of Oldham, L.
Dean of Thornton-le-Fylde, B.

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Desai, L.
Diamond, L.
Dixon, L.
Donoughue, L.
Dubs, L.
Dunleath, L.
Erroll, E.
Evans of Parkside, L.
Evans of Watford, L.
Falconer of Thoroton, L.
Farrington of Ribbleton, B.
Fitt, L.
Gilbert, L.
Gladwin of Clee, L.
Glentoran, L.
Gordon of Strathblane, L.
Goudie, B.
Gould of Potternewton, B.
Graham of Edmonton, L.
Grenfell, L.
Hacking, L.
Halsbury, E.
Hanworth, V.
Hardie, L.
Hardy of Wath, L.
Harris of Haringey, L.
Harris of High Cross, L.
Haskel, L.
Hilton of Eggardon, B.
Hollis of Heigham, B.
Howie of Troon, L.
Hughes, L.
Hughes of Woodside, L.
Hunt of Kings Heath, L.
Irvine of Lairg, L.
(Lord Chancellor)
Janner of Braunstone, L.
Jay of Paddington, B.
(Lord Privy Seal)
Jeger, B.
Jenkins of Putney, L.
Judd, L.
Kennet, L.
Knutsford, V.
Leigh, L.
Lockwood, B.
Lovell-Davis, L.
McIntosh of Haringey, L. [Teller]
Mackenzie of Framwellgate, L.
Mallalieu, B.
Marsh, L.
Milner of Leeds, L.
Mishcon, L.
Molloy, L.
Monkswell, L.
Monson, L.
Montague of Oxford, L.
Morris of Castle Morris, L.
Morris of Manchester, L.
Murray of Epping Forest, L.
Newall, L.
Nunburnholme, L.
Oppenheim-Barnes, B.
Paul, L.
Pearson of Rannoch, L.
Peston, L.
Pilkington of Oxenford, L.
Pitkeathley, B.
Ponsonby of Shulbrede, L.
Puttnam, L.
Ramsay of Cartvale, B.
Randall of St. Budeaux, L.
Rendell of Babergh, B.
Richard, L.
Rogers of Riverside, L.
Sainsbury of Turville, L.
Sawyer, L.
Serota, B.
Sewel, L.
Shepherd, L.
Simon, V.
Simon of Highbury, L.
Smith of Gilmorehill, B.
Stallard, L.
Stoddart of Swindon, L.
Stone of Blackheath, L.
Strabolgi, L.
Symons of Vernham Dean, B.
Taylor of Blackburn, L.
Tenby, V.
Thornton, B.
Tomlinson, L.
Uddin, B.
Walker of Doncaster, L
Warner, L.
Whitty, L.
Williams of Elvel, L.
Williams of Mostyn, L.

Division No. 2

EMPLOYMENT RELATIONS BILL

It was moved by the Baroness Miller of Hendon, in Schedule 1, page 31, line 5, at end to insert (“if it is part of a business employing more than 50 workers in total, or at least 50 per cent of the workers if there are more than 20 but less than 51 workers employed by the said business on either of the dates referred to in paragraph 7(1) of this Schedule”); which being objected to, the question was put thereupon, and the House divided:

Contents.............108

Not-Contents.............137

CONTENTS

Alexander of Tunis, E.
Anelay of St. Johns, B.
Annaly, L.
Archer of Weston-Super-Mare, L.
Astor, V.
Astor of Hever, L.
Belhaven and Stenton, L.
Berners, B.
Blatch, B.
Blyth, L.
Bowness, L.
Brabazon of Tara, L.
Brougham and Vaux, L.
Burnham, L. [Teller]
Buscombe, B.
Byford, B.
Caithness, E.
Campbell of Alloway, L.
Campbell of Croy, L.
Carnegy of Lour, B.
Chalker of Wallasey, B.
Charteris of Amisfield, L.
Clark of Kempston, L.
Coleraine, L.
Cope of Berkeley, L.
Courtown, E.
Cranborne, V.
Crickhowell, L.
Dacre of Glanton, L.
Davidson, V.
Denham, L.
Dilhorne, V.
Dixon-Smith, L.
Donegall, M.
Downshire, M.
Eden of Winton, L.
Ellenborough, L.
Elles, B.
Elton, L.
Erroll, E.
Forsyth of Drumlean, L.
Gainford, L.
Geddes, L.
Gisborough, L.
Glenarthur, L.
Glentoran, L.
Greenway, L.
Harding of Petherton, L.
Harlech, L.
Harrowby, E.
Hayhoe, L.
Henley, L. [Teller]
HolmPatrick, L.
Home, E.
Hurd of Westwell, L.
Hylton-Foster, B.
Knutsford, V.
Lauderdale, E.
Leigh, L.
Lindsey and Abingdon, E.
Long, V.
Luke, L.
McColl of Dulwich, L.

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Mackay of Ardbrecknish, L.
Marlesford, L.
Massereene and Ferrard, V.
Mayhew of Twysden, L.
Mersey, V.
Miller of Hendon, B.
Monk Bretton, L.
Monson, L.
Mountevans, L.
Munster, E.
Newton of Braintree, L.
Northbrook, L.
Northesk, E.
Norton of Louth, L.
O’Cathain, B.
Oppenheim-Barnes, B.
Park of Monmouth, B.
Pender, L.
Perry of Southwark, B.
Pilkington of Oxenford, L.
Platt of Writtle, B.
Plumb, L.
Plummer of St. Marylebone, L.
Rawlings, B.
Reay, L.
Renton of Mount Harry, L.
Rotherwick, L.
Rowallan, L.
Seccombe, B.
Shaw of Northstead, L.
Soulsby of Swaffham Prior, L.
Stewartby, L.
Strathcarron, L.
Strathclyde, L.
Sudeley, L.
Teviot, L.
Thomas of Gwydir, L.
Trefgarne, L.
Trenchard, V.
Trumpington, B.
Waddington, L.
Wade of Chorlton, L.
Westbury, L.
Wynford, L.
Young, B.

NOT-CONTENTS

Acton, L.
Ahmed, L.
Allenby of Megiddo, V.
Amos, B.
Archer of Sandwell, L.
Ashley of Stoke, L.
Bach, L.
Barnett, L.
Beaumont of Whitley, L.
Berkeley, L.
Blackstone, B.
Borrie, L.
Bragg, L.
Brooke of Alverthorpe, L.
Bruce of Donington, L.
Burlison, L.
Calverley, L.
Carlisle, E.
Carter, L. [Teller]
Castle of Blackburn, B.
Christopher, L.
Clarke of Hampstead, L.
Clement-Jones, L.
Clinton-Davis, L.
Cocks of Hartcliffe, L.
Crawley, B.
David, B.
Davies of Coity, L.
Davies of Oldham, L.
Dean of Thornton-le-Fylde, B.
Desai, L.
Dholakia, L.
Diamond, L.
Dixon, L.
Donoughue, L.
Dormand of Easington, L.
Dubs, L.
Evans of Parkside, L.
Evans of Watford, L.
Falconer of Thoroton, L.
Falkland, V.
Farrington of Ribbleton, B.
Fitt, L.
Geraint, L.
Gilbert, L.
Gladwin of Clee, L.
Gordon of Strathblane, L.
Goudie, B.
Gould of Potternewton, B.
Graham of Edmonton, L.
Grenfell, L.
Grey, E.
Hacking, L.
Hamwee, B.
Hanworth, V.
Hardie, L.
Hardy of Wath, L.
Harris of Greenwich, L.
Harris of Haringey, L.
Haskel, L.
Hilton of Eggardon, B.
Hollis of Heigham, B.
Howie of Troon, L.
Hoyle, L.
Hughes, L.
Hughes of Woodside, L.
Hunt of Kings Heath, L.
Irvine of Lairg, L.
(Lord Chancellor)
Janner of Braunstone, L.
Jenkins of Putney, L.
Judd, L.
Kennedy of The Shaws, B.
Linklater of Butterstone, B.
Lockwood, B.
Lovell-Davis, L.
McIntosh of Haringey, L.
Mackenzie of Framwellgate, L.
McNair, L.
McNally, L.
Mallalieu, B.
Miller of Chilthorne Domer, B.
Milner of Leeds, L.
Mishcon, L.
Molloy, L.
Monkswell, L.
Montague of Oxford, L.
Morris of Castle Morris, L.
Morris of Manchester, L.
Murray of Epping Forest, L.
Newby, L.
Paul, L.
Peston, L.
Phillips of Sudbury, L.
Pitkeathley, B.
Ponsonby of Shulbrede, L.
Puttnam, L.
Ramsay of Cartvale, B.
Randall of St. Budeaux, L.
Razzall, L.
Redesdale, L.
Rendell of Babergh, B.
Richard, L.
Rochester, L.
Rodgers of Quarry Bank, L.
Rogers of Riverside, L.
Russell, E.
Russell-Johnston, L.
Sainsbury of Turville, L.
Sandberg, L.
Sawyer, L.
Serota, B.
Sewel, L.
Sharp of Guildford, B.
Shepherd, L.
Simon, V.
Simon of Highbury, L.
Smith of Clifton, L.
Smith of Gilmorehill, B.
Stone of Blackheath, L.
Strabolgi, L.
Symons of Vernham Dean, B.
Taverne, L.
Taylor of Blackburn, L.
Thomas of Swynnerton, L.
Thomas of Walliswood, B.
Thomson of Monifieth, L.
Thornton, B.
Thurso, V.
Tomlinson, L.
Turner of Camden, B.
Walker of Doncaster, L.
Watson of Invergowrie, L.
Whitty, L.
Williams of Crosby, B.
Williams of Elvel, L.
Williams of Mostyn, L.
Young of Old Scone, B.

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Division No. 3

LOCAL GOVERNMENT BILL

It was moved by the Baroness Hamwee, in Clause 30, page 18, line 18, at end to insert:

(“(3) Schedule 1 shall cease to have effect on 1st April 2005 unless previously extended by order made by statutory instrument and laid in draft before, and approved by resolution of, both Houses of Parliament.

(4) An order laid under subsection (3) shall not apply for a period exceeding five years.

(5) If an order laid pursuant to subsection (3) is approved, Schedule 1 shall cease to have effect on the date specified in the order subject to any subsequent order or orders approved by both Houses of Parliament none of which shall extend its effect for more than five years.

(6) Notwithstanding the provisions of subsection (3), if Schedule 1 has ceased to have effect it may at any time be revived by order made by statutory instrument laid in draft before, and approved by resolution of, both Houses of Parliament in which event subsection (3) shall thereafter apply.”);

which being objected to, the question was put thereupon, and the House divided:

Contents.............81

Not-Contents.............100

CONTENTS

Addington, L.
Annaly, L.
Astor, V.
Astor of Hever, L.
Beaumont of Whitley, L.
Berners, B.
Biddulph, L.
Blyth, L.
Bowness, L.
Brabazon of Tara, L.
Burnham, L.
Buscombe, B.
Byford, B.
Carlisle, E.
Carnegy of Lour, B.
Clark of Kempston, L.
Clement-Jones, L.
Colwyn, L.
Cope of Berkeley, L.
Courtown, E.
Dholakia, L.
Dixon-Smith, L.
Downshire, M.
Elton, L.
Falkland, V.
Ferrers, E.
Fookes, B.
Freeman, L.
Geddes, L.
Geraint, L.
Gisborough, L.
Glentoran, L.
Goodhart, L.
Gray, L.
Grey, E.
Hamwee, B. [Teller]
Hanningfield, L.
Harlech, L.
Harris of Greenwich, L.
Harrowby, E.
Howe, E.
Hurd of Westwell, L.
Lauderdale, E.
Lindsey and Abingdon, E.
McColl of Dulwich, L.
McNair, L.
McNally, L.
Maddock, B.
Marlesford, L.
Massereene and Ferrard, V.
Mersey, V.
Miller of Chilthorne Domer, B. [Teller]
Miller of Hendon, B.
Monk Bretton, L.
Munster, E.
Norrie, L.
Northbrook, L.
Northesk, E.
Pearson of Rannoch, L.
Phillips of Sudbury, L.
Rawlings, B.
Razzall, L.
Redesdale, L.
Rochester, L.
Rodgers of Quarry Bank, L.
Russell, E.
Russell-Johnston, L.
Sandberg, L.
Seccombe, B.
Sharp of Guildford, B.
Smith of Clifton, L.
Taylor of Warwick, L.
Thomas of Walliswood, B.
Thomson of Monifieth, L.
Torrington, V.
Wade of Chorlton, L.
Warnock, B.
Westbury, L.
Wharton, B.
Williams of Crosby, B.
Wynford, L.

NOT-CONTENTS

Acton, L.
Ahmed, L.
Ailesbury, M.
Allenby of Megiddo, V.
Amos, B.
Archer of Sandwell, L.
Ashley of Stoke, L.
Bach, L.
Barnett, L.
Berkeley, L.
Blackstone, B.
Borrie, L.
Bragg, L.
Brooke of Alverthorpe, L.
Burlison, L.
Carter, L. [Teller]
Castle of Blackburn, B.
Christopher, L.
Clarke of Hampstead, L.
Clinton-Davis, L.
Cocks of Hartcliffe, L.
Crawley, B.
David, B.
Davies of Coity, L.
Davies of Oldham, L.
Desai, L.
Diamond, L.
Dixon, L.
Donoughue, L.
Dormand of Easington, L.
Evans of Parkside, L.
Evans of Watford, L.
Falconer of Thoroton, L.
Farrington of Ribbleton, B.
Gilbert, L.
Gladwin of Clee, L.
Gordon of Strathblane, L.
Goudie, B.
Gould of Potternewton, B.
Graham of Edmonton, L.
Greenway, L.
Grenfell, L.
Hacking, L.
Hanworth, V.
Hardie, L.
Hardy of Wath, L.
Harris of Haringey, L.
Haskel, L.

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Healey, L.
Hilton of Eggardon, B.
Hollick, L.
Hollis of Heigham, B.
Howie of Troon, L.
Hughes, L.
Hughes of Woodside, L.
Hunt of Kings Heath, L.
Irvine of Lairg, L.
(Lord Chancellor)
Janner of Braunstone, L.
Jay of Paddington, B.
(Lord Privy Seal)
Jenkins of Putney, L.
Judd, L.
Kennet, L.
McIntosh of Haringey, L. [Teller]
Mallalieu, B.
Milner of Leeds, L.
Molloy, L.
Molyneaux of Killead, L.
Monkswell, L.
Morris of Manchester, L.
Murray of Epping Forest, L.
Nicol, B.
Peston, L.
Pitkeathley, B.
Ponsonby of Shulbrede, L.
Puttnam, L.
Ramsay of Cartvale, B.
Randall of St. Budeaux, L.
Rea, L.
Rendell of Babergh, B.
Renwick of Clifton, L.
Richard, L.
Sainsbury of Turville, L.
Sawyer, L.
Serota, B.
Shepherd, L.
Shore of Stepney, L.
Simon, V.
Simon of Highbury, L.
Stoddart of Swindon, L.
Symons of Vernham Dean, B.
Taylor of Blackburn, L.
Thornton, B.
Tomlinson, L.
Turner of Camden, B.
Uddin, B.
Walker of Doncaster, L.
Watson of Invergowrie, L.
Whitty, L.
Williams of Elvel, L.
Young of Old Scone, B.


APPENDIX 1

ELIZABETH THE SECOND by the Grace of God of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and of Our other Realms and Territories Queen Head of the Commonwealth Defender of the Faith To all Lords Spiritual and Temporal and all other Our Subjects whatsoever to whom these Presents shall come Greeting Know Ye that We of Our especial grace certain knowledge and mere motion in pursuance of the Life Peerages Act 1958 and of all other powers in that behalf Us enabling do by these Presents advance create and prefer Our right trusty and well beloved Counsellor Sir Michael Bruce Forsyth Knight to the state degree style dignity title and honour of Baron Forsyth of Drumlean of Drumlean in Stirling

And for Us Our heirs and successors do appoint give and grant unto him the said name state degree style dignity title and honour of Baron Forsyth of Drumlean to have and to hold unto him for his life

Willing and by these Presents granting for Us Our heirs and successors that he may have hold and possess a seat place and voice in the Parliaments and Public Assemblies and Councils of Us Our heirs and successors within Our United Kingdom amongst the Barons And also that he may enjoy and use all the rights privileges pre-eminences immunities and advantages to the degree of a Baron duly and of right belonging which Barons of Our United Kingdom have heretofore used and enjoyed or as they do at present use and enjoy

In Witness whereof We have caused these Our Letters to be made Patent Witness Ourself at Westminster in the forenoon of the fourteenth day of July in the forty-eighth year of Our Reign

BY WARRANT UNDER THE QUEEN’S SIGN MANUAL


APPENDIX 2

ELIZABETH THE SECOND by the Grace of God of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and of Our other Realms and Territories Queen Head of the Commonwealth Defender of the Faith To all Lords Spiritual and Temporal and all other Our Subjects whatsoever to whom these Presents shall come Greeting Know Ye that We of Our especial grace certain knowledge and mere motion in pursuance of the Life Peerages Act 1958 and of all other powers in that behalf Us enabling do by these Presents advance create and prefer Our trusty and well beloved Miss Diana Mary Warwick to the state degree style dignity title and honour of Baroness Warwick of Undercliffe of Undercliffe in Our County of West Yorkshire

And for Us Our heirs and successors do appoint give and grant unto her the said name state degree style dignity title and honour of Baroness Warwick of Undercliffe to have and to hold unto her for her life

Willing and by these Presents granting for Us Our heirs and successors that she may have hold and possess a seat place and voice in the Parliaments and Public Assemblies and Councils of Us Our heirs and successors within Our United Kingdom amongst the Barons And also that she may enjoy and use all the rights privileges pre-eminences immunities and advantages to the degree of a Baron duly and of right belonging which Barons of Our United Kingdom have heretofore used and enjoyed or as they do at present use and enjoy

In Witness whereof We have caused these Our Letters to be made Patent Witness Ourself at Westminster in the tenth day of July in the forty-eighth year of Our Reign

BY WARRANT UNDER THE QUEEN’S SIGN MANUAL