House of Lords Journal 232 (Session 1998-99)


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Tuesday 6 July 1999

The House met at half-past two o’clock.

The following Lords Spiritual and Temporal were present:

Irvine of Lairg, L.
(Lord Chancellor)

Aberdare, L.
Ackner, L.
Acton, L.
Addington, L.
Addison, V.
Ailesbury, M.
Ailsa, M.
Alanbrooke, V.
Alderdice, L.
Aldington, L.
Alexander of Tunis, E.
Allenby of Megiddo, V.
Alli, L.
Alton of Liverpool, L.
Amos, B.
Ampthill, L.
Anelay of St. Johns, B.
Annaly, L.
Annan, L.
Archer of Sandwell, L.
Archer of Weston-Super-Mare, L.
Ashbourne, L.
Ashley of Stoke, L.
Astor, V.
Astor of Hever, L.
Attlee, E.
Avebury, L.
Bach, L.
Baker of Dorking, L.
Baldwin of Bewdley, E.
Barnett, L.
Bassam of Brighton, L.
Beaumont of Whitley, L.
Belhaven and Stenton, L.
Berkeley, L.
Berners, B.
Biddulph, L.
Biffen, L.
Birdwood, L.
Blackstone, B.
Blackwell, L.
Blaker, L.
Blatch, B.
Bledisloe, V.
Blyth, L.
Boardman, L.
Borrie, L.
Boston of Faversham, L.
Bowness, L.
Brabazon of Tara, L.
Bradford, Bp.
Bragg, L.
Brentford, V.
Bridgeman, V.
Brigstocke, B.
Brookeborough, V.
Brookman, L.
Brooks of Tremorfa, L.
Brougham and Vaux, L.
Bruce of Donington, L.
Buckinghamshire, E.
Burlison, L.
Burnham, L.
Buscombe, B.
Butler of Brockwell, L.
Butterworth, L.
Byford, B.
Cadman, L.
Calverley, L.
Campbell of Alloway, L.
Campbell of Croy, L.
Carew, L.
Carlisle, E.
Carlisle of Bucklow, L.
Carnarvon, E.
Carnegy of Lour, B.
Carr of Hadley, L.
Carrick, E.
Carter, L.
Castle of Blackburn, B.
Chadlington, L.
Chalfont, L.
Charteris of Amisfield, L.
Chesham, L.
Chilver, L.
Chorley, L.
Christopher, L.
Clancarty, E.
Clanwilliam, E.
Clark of Kempston, L.
Clarke of Hampstead, L.
Cledwyn of Penrhos, L.
Clement-Jones, L.
Clinton-Davis, L.
Cockfield, L.
Cocks of Hartcliffe, L.
Coleraine, L.
Colwyn, L.
Constantine of Stanmore, L.
Cooke of Thorndon, L.
Cope of Berkeley, L.
Courtown, E.
Cox, B.
Craig of Radley, L.
Cranborne, V.
Cranbrook, E.
Crathorne, L.
Crawley, B.
Crickhowell, L.
Croham, L.
Cross, V.
Cumberlege, B.
Currie of Marylebone, L.
Darcy de Knayth, B.
Dartmouth, E.
David, B.
Davidson, V.
Davies of Coity, L.
Davies of Oldham, L.
De Freyne, L.
Dean of Harptree, L.
Dean of Thornton-le-Fylde, B.
Denham, L.
Denton of Wakefield, B.
Derwent, L.
Desai, L.
Digby, L.
Dilhorne, V.
Dixon, L.
Dixon-Smith, L.
Dormand of Easington, L.
Downshire, M.
Dubs, L.
Dundee, E.
Dunleath, L.
Eccles, V.
Eccles of Moulton, B.
Ellenborough, L.
Elles, B.
Elliott of Morpeth, L.
Elton, L.
Ely, Bp.
Erne, E.
Evans of Parkside, L.
Evans of Watford, L.
Ewing of Kirkford, L.
Exeter, Bp.
Exmouth, V.
Falkland, V.
Farrington of Ribbleton, B.
Ferrers, E.
Fitt, L.
Flather, B.

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Fookes, B.
Fraser of Carmyllie, L.
Freyberg, L.
Gainsborough, E.
Gardner of Parkes, B.
Geraint, L.
Gilbert, L.
Gisborough, L.
Gladwin of Clee, L.
Gladwyn, L.
Glanusk, L.
Glenamara, L.
Glentoran, L.
Goodhart, L.
Gordon of Strathblane, L.
Gormanston, V.
Goudie, B.
Gould of Potternewton, B.
Graham of Edmonton, L.
Grantley, L.
Gray of Contin, L.
Greenway, L.
Gregson, L.
Grenfell, L.
Gretton, L.
Habgood, L.
Hacking, L.
Halsbury, E.
Hampton, L.
Hankey, L.
Harding of Petherton, L.
Hardy of Wath, L.
Harmar-Nicholls, L.
Harmsworth, L.
Harris of Greenwich, L.
Harris of Haringey, L.
Harris of Peckham, L.
Haskel, L.
Haslam, L.
Hayhoe, L.
Hayman, B.
Henley, L.
Higgins, L.
Hives, L.
Hogg, B.
Holderness, L.
Hollis of Heigham, B.
Holme of Cheltenham, L.
HolmPatrick, L.
Hooper, B.
Hooson, L.
Hope of Craighead, L.
Hothfield, L.
Howe, E.
Howe of Aberavon, L.
Howie of Troon, L.
Hoyle, L.
Hughes, L.
Hughes of Woodside, L.
Hunt of Kings Heath, L.
Hunt of Wirral, L.
Huntingdon, E.
Hutchinson of Lullington, L.
Hylton, L.
Hylton-Foster, B.
Ilchester, E.
Imbert, L.
Ironside, L.
Islwyn, L.
Iveagh, E.
Jacobs, L.
Janner of Braunstone, L.
Jay of Paddington, B.
Jeffreys, L.
Jeger, B.
Jellicoe, E.
Jenkin of Roding, L.
Jenkins of Hillhead, L.
Jenkins of Putney, L.
Jopling, L.
Judd, L.
Kenilworth, L.
Kennet, L.
Kimball, L.
Kingsland, L.
Kinloss, Ly.
Kinnoull, E.
Kintore, E.
Kirkhill, L.
Kitchener, E.
Knight of Collingtree, B.
Knollys, V.
Lamont of Lerwick, L.
Lane of Horsell, L.
Lang of Monkton, L.
Lauderdale, E.
Lawrence, L.
Leathers, V.
Leigh, L.
Lindsay, E.
Listowel, E.
Lockwood, B.
Lofthouse of Pontefract, L.
Longford, E.
Lucas, L.
Lucas of Chilworth, L.
McCarthy, L.
Macclesfield, E.
McColl of Dulwich, L.
McConnell, L.
Macdonald of Tradeston, L.
Mackay of Ardbrecknish, L.
Mackay of Drumadoon, L.
Mackenzie of Framwellgate, L.
Mackie of Benshie, L.
McNair, L.
McNally, L.
Maddock, B.
Mar, C.
Marlesford, L.
Masham of Ilton, B.
Mason of Barnsley, L.
Massereene and Ferrard, V.
Mayhew of Twysden, L.
Merlyn-Rees, L.
Mersey, V.
Meston, L.
Middleton, L.
Miller of Chilthorne Domer, B.
Miller of Hendon, B.
Milner of Leeds, L.
Milverton, L.
Mishcon, L.
Molloy, L.
Molyneaux of Killead, L.
Monkswell, L.
Monro of Langholm, L.
Monson, L.
Montagu of Beaulieu, L.
Montague of Oxford, L.
Montgomery of Alamein, V.
Moore of Wolvercote, L.
Moran, L.
Morris, L.
Morris of Castle Morris, L.
Morris of Manchester, L.
Mountevans, L.
Mowbray and Stourton, L.
Moyne, L.
Moynihan, L.
Munster, E.
Murton of Lindisfarne, L.
Napier and Ettrick, L.
Naseby, L.
Neill of Bladen, L.
Nelson, E.
Newton of Braintree, L.
Nicholson of Winterbourne, B.
Nicol, B.
Noel-Buxton, L.
Norrie, L.
Northbourne, L.
Northbrook, L.
Northesk, E.
Norton, L.
Norton of Louth, L.
Nunburnholme, L.
O’Neill of Bengarve, B.
Onslow, E.
Onslow of Woking, L.
Orme, L.
Oxfuird, V.
Palmer, L.
Palumbo, L.
Park of Monmouth, B.
Patten, L.
Paul, L.
Pearson of Rannoch, L.
Peel, E.
Pender, L.
Perry of Walton, L.
Peston, L.
Peyton of Yeovil, L.
Phillips of Sudbury, L.
Pike, B.
Pitkeathley, B.
Plant of Highfield, L.
Platt of Writtle, B.
Ponsonby of Shulbrede, L.
Prys-Davies, L.
Puttnam, L.
Quirk, L.
Ramsay of Cartvale, B.
Randall of St. Budeaux, L.
Rathcavan, L.
Rawlings, B.
Razzall, L.
Rea, L.
Reading, M.
Reay, L.
Redesdale, L.
Rees, L.
Rendell of Babergh, B.
Renfrew of Kaimsthorn, L.
Renton, L.
Renwick, L.
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Rix, L.
Roberts of Conwy, L.
Rodgers of Quarry Bank, L.
Rosslyn, E.
Rotherwick, L.
Rowallan, L.
Russell, E.
Ryder of Wensum, L.
Sainsbury of Preston Candover, L.
Sainsbury of Turville, L.
Saint Albans, D.
St. Davids, V.
St. John of Bletso, L.
St. John of Fawsley, L.
Saint Oswald, L.
Salisbury, Bp.
Sandberg, L.
Sandford, L.
Sandwich, E.
Savile, L.
Sawyer, L.
Seccombe, B.
Selsdon, L.
Serota, B.
Sewel, L.
Shannon, E.
Sharp of Guildford, B.
Sharples, B.
Shaw of Northstead, L.
Shepherd, L.
Sheppard of Liverpool, L.
Shore of Stepney, L.
Simon, V.
Simon of Glaisdale, L.
Skelmersdale, L.
Skidelsky, L.
Smith of Clifton, L.
Smith of Gilmorehill, B.
Soulsby of Swaffham Prior, L.
Stair, E.
Stallard, L.
Stewartby, L.
Stodart of Leaston, L.
Stoddart of Swindon, L.
Stone of Blackheath, L.
Strabolgi, L.
Strathcarron, L.
Strathclyde, L.
Suffolk and Berkshire, E.
Swansea, L.
Swaythling, L.
Swinfen, L.
Swinton, E.
Symons of Vernham Dean, B.
Taylor of Blackburn, L.
Teviot, L.
Thatcher, B.
Thomas of Gresford, L.
Thomas of Gwydir, L.
Thomas of Macclesfield, L.
Thomas of Walliswood, B.
Thornton, B.
Thurlow, L.
Tomlinson, L.
Tope, L.
Torrington, V.
Trefgarne, L.
Trumpington, B.
Tryon, L.
Turner of Camden, B.
Uddin, B.
Waddington, L.
Wade of Chorlton, L.
Wakefield, Bp.
Wakeham, L.
Walker of Doncaster, L.
Walker of Worcester, L.
Walton of Detchant, L.
Warner, L.
Warnock, B.
Watson of Invergowrie, L.
Weatherill, L.
Wedgwood, L.
Westbury, L.
Whaddon, L.
Wharton, B.
Whitty, L.
Wigoder, L.
Wilberforce, L.
Wilcox, B.
Williams of Crosby, B.
Williams of Elvel, L.
Williams of Mostyn, L.
Williamson of Horton, L.
Winston, L.
Wise, L.
Wrenbury, L.
Wright of Richmond, L.
Young, B.

PRAYERS were read by the Lord Bishop of Ely.

Judicial Business

1.In re Moringiello (Petitioner) (application for a writ of Habeas Corpus)—The petition of Thomas Moringiello praying for leave to appeal in accordance with the Administration of Justice Act 1960 was presented and referred to an Appeal Committee (lodged 6th March).

Papers

2.Command Papers—The following papers were presented to the House by command of Her Majesty and ordered to lie on the Table:
1.Milk—Monopolies and Mergers Commission report on the supply in Great Britain of raw cows’ milk;
 (4286)
2.Northern Ireland—Government Response to the 11th Report of the House of Commons Select Committee of Public Accounts, Controls to Prevent and Detect Fraud in Family Practitioner Service Payments;
 (4394)
3.Health—Saving Lives: Our Healthier Nation: Government proposals.
 (4386)
3.Negative Instruments—The following instruments were laid before the House and ordered to lie on the Table:
1.Road Traffic (Parking Adjudicators) (England and Wales) Regulations 1999, laid under the Road Traffic Act 1991;
 (1918)
2.Town and Country Planning (Control of Advertisements) (Amendment) Regulations 1999, laid under the Town and Country Planning Act 1990;
 (1810)
3.Greenhill College, Harrow and Weald College, Harrow (Dissolution) Order 1999, laid under the Further and Higher Education Act 1992.
 (1919)
4.Papers not subject to parliamentary proceedings—The following papers were laid before the House and ordered to lie on the Table:
1.Report and Accounts for 1998–99 of the Fair Employment Commission, laid under the Fair Employment (Northern Ireland) Act 1976;
2.Accounts for 1998–99 of the Education Transfer Council, together with the Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General, laid under the Education Reform Act 1988;

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3.Report and Accounts for 1998–99 of the Financial Services Authority, laid under the Financial Services Act 1996.

Select Committee Reports

5.Procedure of the House—The 3rd and 4th Reports from the Select Committee were made (see appendix 1 and 2); it was ordered that the Reports be printed. (HL Papers 81 and 84)
6.Statutory Instruments—The 24th Report from the Joint Committee was made on certain statutory instruments, including the following affirmative instruments:
 Draft Ministerial and other Salaries Order 1999;
 Draft North/South Co-operation (Implementation Bodies) (Amendment) (Northern Ireland) Order 1999;
 Draft Aeroplane Noise (Amendment) Regulations 1999;
 Draft Public Processions (Northern Ireland) Act 1998 (Code of Conduct) Order 1999;
 Draft Public Processions (Northern Ireland) Act 1998 (Procedural Rules) Order 1999;
 Draft Public Processions (Northern Ireland) Act 1998 (Guidelines) Order 1999;
 Draft International Organisations (Immunities and Privileges) Miscellaneous Provisions Order 1999;

it was ordered that the Report be printed. (HL Paper 80)

7.European Communities—The following Reports from the Select Committee were made and ordered to be printed:

Enlarging the Jurisdiction of the Court of First Instance; (13th Report–HL Paper 82)

Evidence by the Minister of State, Foreign and Commonwealth Office, on the Cologne European Council. (14th Report–HL Paper 83)

Public Business

8.Employment Relations Bill—It was moved by the Lord McIntosh of Haringey, on behalf of the Lord Simon of Highbury, that the amendments for the Report stage be marshalled and considered in the following order:
Clause 1
Schedule 1
Clause 2
Schedule 2
Clauses 3 and 4
Schedule 3
Clauses 5 to 9
Schedule 4
Clauses 10 to 15
Schedule 5
Clauses 16 to 26
Schedule 6
Clauses 27 and 28
Schedule 7
Clauses 29 to 36
Schedule 8
Clauses 37 to 39;

the motion was agreed to.

9.Welfare Reform and Pensions Bill—The House again resolved itself into a Committee upon the bill; amendments were moved and (by leave of the Committee) withdrawn; the House was resumed for a statement; the House again resolved itself into a Committee upon the bill; amendments were moved and (by leave of the Committee) withdrawn; the House was resumed.
10.General Pinochet—The Lord Lamont of Lerwick asked Her Majesty’s Government what were the circumstances and background of the arrest of General Pinochet; what was the role of the police, the Crown Prosecution Service, Ministers and the Diplomatic Service; and what has been the effect on Anglo-Chilean relations; after debate, the question was answered by the Lord Williams of Mostyn.

The House was adjourned during pleasure.

The House was resumed.

11.Welfare Reform and Pensions Bill—The House again resolved itself into a Committee upon the bill; amendments were moved and (by leave of the Committee) withdrawn; amendments were agreed to; the House was resumed after clause 50 stood part.

The House was adjourned at two minutes before midnight
till tomorrow, half-past two o’clock.

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APPENDIX 2

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