House of Lords Journal 232 (Session 1998-99)

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Wednesday 24 March 1999

The House met at two o’clock.

The following Lords Spiritual and Temporal were present:

Irvine of Lairg, L.
(Lord Chancellor)

Aberdare, L.
Abinger, L.
Ackner, L.
Acton, L.
Addington, L.
Addison, V.
Ahmed, L.
Ailesbury, M.
Ailsa, M.
Alderdice, L.
Aldington, L.
Alexander of Tunis, E.
Allenby of Megiddo, V.
Alton of Liverpool, L.
Amos, B.
Ampthill, L.
Anelay of St. Johns, B.
Annaly, L.
Annan, L.
Archer of Sandwell, L.
Archer of Weston-Super-Mare, L.
Arran, E.
Ashbourne, L.
Ashley of Stoke, L.
Astor of Hever, L.
Attlee, E.
Avebury, L.
Bach, L.
Baker of Dorking, L.
Baldwin of Bewdley, E.
Banbury of Southam, L.
Barnett, L.
Bassam of Brighton, L.
Beaumont of Whitley, L.
Beaverbrook, L.
Belhaven and Stenton, L.
Beloff, L.
Berners, B.
Bethell, L.
Biffen, L.
Birdwood, L.
Blatch, B.
Blease, L.
Bledisloe, V.
Blyth, L.
Boardman, L.
Borrie, L.
Boston of Faversham, L.
Bowness, L.
Brabazon of Tara, L.
Bragg, L.
Bramall, L.
Brentford, V.
Bridgeman, V.
Brightman, L.
Brigstocke, B.
Broadbridge, L.
Brookeborough, V.
Brookman, L.
Brooks of Tremorfa, L.
Brougham and Vaux, L.
Browne-Wilkinson, L.
Bruce of Donington, L.
Bruntisfield, L.
Buckinghamshire, E.
Burlison, L.
Burnham, L.
Burns, L.
Buscombe, B.
Butterworth, L.
Byford, B.
Cadman, L.
Caithness, E.
Callaghan of Cardiff, L.
Calverley, L.
Campbell of Alloway, L.
Campbell of Croy, L.
Carew, L.
Carlisle, E.
Carlisle of Bucklow, L.
Carmichael of Kelvingrove, L.
Carnegy of Lour, B.
Carnock, L.
Carr of Hadley, L.
Carrick, E.
Carrington, L.
Carter, L.
Chalfont, L.
Charteris of Amisfield, L.
Chesham, L.
Chorley, L.
Clancarty, E.
Clanwilliam, E.
Clark of Kempston, L.
Clarke of Hampstead, L.
Clement-Jones, L.
Clinton-Davis, L.
Cockfield, L.
Cocks of Hartcliffe, L.
Coleraine, L.
Colwyn, L.
Congleton, L.
Constantine of Stanmore, L.
Cope of Berkeley, L.
Courtown, E.
Cowdrey of Tonbridge, L.
Craig of Radley, L.
Craigavon, V.
Craigmyle, L.
Cranborne, V.
Crathorne, L.
Crawley, B.
Crickhowell, L.
Cross, V.
Cuckney, L.
Cullen of Ashbourne, L.
Dacre of Glanton, L.
Darcy de Knayth, B.
David, B.
Davidson, V.

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Davies of Oldham, L.
Dean of Harptree, L.
Dean of Thornton-le-Fylde, B.
Dearing, L.
Denbigh, E.
Denham, L.
Denton of Wakefield, B.
Derwent, L.
Dholakia, L.
Dixon, L.
Dixon-Smith, L.
Donegall, M.
Donoughue, L.
Dormand of Easington, L.
Downshire, M.
Drogheda, E.
Dundee, E.
Dunleath, L.
Dunrossil, V.
Eames, L.
Eatwell, L.
Eden of Winton, L.
Effingham, E.
Elis-Thomas, L.
Ellenborough, L.
Elliott of Morpeth, L.
Elton, L.
Erroll, E.
Evans of Parkside, L.
Exmouth, V.
Ezra, L.
Falkland, V.
Farrington of Ribbleton, B.
Ferrers, E.
Fitt, L.
Flather, B.
Fookes, B.
Fraser of Carmyllie, L.
Freyberg, L.
Gage, V.
Gainford, L.
Gainsborough, E.
Gallacher, L.
Gardner of Parkes, B.
Garel-Jones, L.
Geddes, L.
Geraint, L.
Gibson, L.
Gilbert, L.
Gillmore of Thamesfield, L.
Gilmour of Craigmillar, L.
Gisborough, L.
Gladwin of Clee, L.
Gladwyn, L.
Glanusk, L.
Glenamara, L.
Glenarthur, L.
Glentoran, L.
Goff of Chieveley, L.
Gormanston, V.
Goudie, B.
Gould of Potternewton, B.
Gowrie, E.
Grantchester, L.
Gray of Contin, L.
Greenway, L.
Gregson, L.
Grenfell, L.
Grey, E.
Griffiths, L.
Griffiths of Fforestfach, L.
Habgood, L.
Hacking, L.
Haddington, E.
Haig, E.
Halsbury, E.
Hampton, L.
Hanningfield, L.
Harding of Petherton, L.
Hardy of Wath, L.
Harmar-Nicholls, L.
Harris of Greenwich, L.
Harris of Haringey, L.
Haskel, L.
Hayhoe, L.
Hayter, L.
Hemingford, L.
Henley, L.
Higgins, L.
Hilton of Eggardon, B.
Hogg of Cumbernauld, L.
Holderness, L.
Hollick, L.
Holme of Cheltenham, L.
HolmPatrick, L.
Hooper, B.
Hooson, L.
Hope of Craighead, L.
Hothfield, L.
Howell of Guildford, L.
Howie of Troon, L.
Hoyle, L.
Hughes, L.
Hughes of Woodside, L.
Hunt of Kings Heath, L.
Hunt of Tanworth, L.
Hunt of Wirral, L.
Hylton, L.
Hylton-Foster, B.
Inchyra, L.
Inge, L.
Inglewood, L.
Ironside, L.
Islwyn, L.
Iveagh, E.
Jacobs, L.
Jakobovits, L.
Janner of Braunstone, L.
Jay of Paddington, B.
Jeffreys, L.
Jeger, B.
Jellicoe, E.
Jenkins of Hillhead, L.
Jenkins of Putney, L.
Jersey, E.
Johnston of Rockport, L.
Jopling, L.
Judd, L.
Kenilworth, L.
Kennet, L.
Kimball, L.
Kingsland, L.
Kinloss, Ly.
Kinnoull, E.
Kintore, E.
Kirkhill, L.
Kirkwood, L.
Kitchener, E.
Knight of Collingtree, B.
Knollys, V.
Knutsford, V.
Laing of Dunphail, L.
Laming, L.
Lamont of Lerwick, L.
Lang of Monkton, L.
Lauderdale, E.
Lawrence, L.
Layton, L.
Leathers, V.
Leigh, L.
Lewis of Newnham, L.
Lincoln, Bp.
Lindsey and Abingdon, E.
Linklater of Butterstone, B.
Listowel, E.
Liverpool, Bp.
Liverpool, E.
Lloyd-George of Dwyfor, E.
Lockwood, B.
Long, V.
Longford, E.
Lovell-Davis, L.
Lucas, L.
Lucas of Chilworth, L.
Ludford, B.
Luke, L.
Lyell, L.
Lytton, E.
McConnell, L.
McIntosh of Haringey, L.
Mackay of Ardbrecknish, L.
Mackay of Clashfern, L.
Mackay of Drumadoon, L.
Mackenzie of Framwellgate, L.
Mackie of Benshie, L.
Mackintosh of Halifax, V.
Macleod of Borve, B.
McNair, L.
McNally, L.
Macpherson of Drumochter, L.
Maddock, B.
Mallalieu, B.
Mancroft, L.
Mar, C.
Mar and Kellie, E.
Marlesford, L.
Marsh, L.
Masham of Ilton, B.
Mason of Barnsley, L.
Massereene and Ferrard, V.
Mayhew of Twysden, L.
Merlyn-Rees, L.
Mersey, V.
Methuen, L.
Miller of Chilthorne Domer, B.
Miller of Hendon, B.
Millett, L.
Milner of Leeds, L.
Milverton, L.
Mishcon, L.
Molloy, L.
Molyneaux of Killead, L.
Monkswell, L.
Monro of Langholm, L.
Monson, L.
Montagu of Beaulieu, L.
Montague of Oxford, L.

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Montgomery of Alamein, V.
Moore of Wolvercote, L.
Morris, L.
Morris of Castle Morris, L.
Morris of Manchester, L.
Mountevans, L.
Moyne, L.
Moynihan, L.
Munster, E.
Murton of Lindisfarne, L.
Napier and Ettrick, L.
Napier of Magdâla, L.
Naseby, L.
Nathan, L.
Neill of Bladen, L.
Nelson, E.
Newall, L.
Nicol, B.
Noel-Buxton, L.
Nolan, L.
Norrie, L.
Northbourne, L.
Northbrook, L.
Northesk, E.
Norton, L.
Norton of Louth, L.
Nunburnholme, L.
O’Cathain, B.
Ogmore, L.
Orme, L.
Oxford, Bp.
Oxfuird, V.
Palmer, L.
Parry, L.
Patel, L.
Paul, L.
Pearson of Rannoch, L.
Peel, E.
Pender, L.
Perry of Southwark, B.
Perry of Walton, L.
Peston, L.
Peyton of Yeovil, L.
Phillips of Sudbury, L.
Pilkington of Oxenford, L.
Pitkeathley, B.
Plant of Highfield, L.
Platt of Writtle, B.
Plumb, L.
Plummer of St. Marylebone, L.
Ponsonby of Shulbrede, L.
Puttnam, L.
Quirk, L.
Ramsay of Cartvale, B.
Randall of St. Budeaux, L.
Rankeillour, L.
Rawlings, B.
Razzall, L.
Rea, L.
Rees, L.
Rees-Mogg, L.
Renton, L.
Renwick, L.
Richard, L.
Ripon, Bp.
Rochester, L.
Rodgers of Quarry Bank, L.
Roll of Ipsden, L.
Rotherwick, L.
Rowallan, L.
Russell, E.
Russell-Johnston, L.
Ryder of Wensum, L.
St. John of Bletso, L.
St. John of Fawsley, L.
Sanderson of Bowden, L.
Sandwich, E.
Sawyer, L.
Scotland of Asthal, B.
Seccombe, B.
Sefton of Garston, L.
Selborne, E.
Shannon, E.
Sharples, B.
Shaughnessy, L.
Shaw of Northstead, L.
Shepherd, L.
Sheppard of Liverpool, L.
Shore of Stepney, L.
Simon, V.
Simon of Glaisdale, L.
Skidelsky, L.
Slim, V.
Smith of Clifton, L.
Smith of Gilmorehill, B.
Soulsby of Swaffham Prior, L.
Southwark, Bp.
Southwell, Bp.
Stafford, L.
Stallard, L.
Steel of Aikwood, L.
Stewartby, L.
Stockton, E.
Stoddart of Swindon, L.
Strabolgi, L.
Strafford, E.
Strange, B.
Strathclyde, L.
Sudeley, L.
Suffolk and Berkshire, E.
Swansea, L.
Swinfen, L.
Taverne, L.
Taylor of Blackburn, L.
Taylor of Warwick, L.
Tenby, V.
Teviot, L.
Teynham, L.
Thomas of Gresford, L.
Thomas of Gwydir, L.
Thomson of Monifieth, L.
Thurlow, L.
Thurso, V.
Tope, L.
Tryon, L.
Turner of Camden, B.
Uddin, B.
Ullswater, V.
Vinson, L.
Vivian, L.
Waddington, L.
Wade of Chorlton, L.
Wakeham, L.
Walker of Doncaster, L.
Wallace of Coslany, L.
Walpole, L.
Walton of Detchant, L.
Warner, L.
Watson of Invergowrie, L.
Waverley, V.
Weatherill, L.
Wedderburn of Charlton, L.
Westbury, L.
Whaddon, L.
Wharton, B.
Whitty, L.
Wigoder, L.
Wilberforce, L.
Williams of Crosby, B.
Williams of Elvel, L.
Williams of Mostyn, L.
Williamson of Horton, L.
Winchilsea and Nottingham, E.
Windlesham, L.
Winston, L.
Wise, L.
Wright of Richmond, L.
Wynford, L.
Young, B.
Zouche of Haryngworth, L.

PRAYERS were read by the Lord Bishop of Lincoln.

Judicial Business

1.Regina v. Bartle and the Commissioner of Police for the Metropolis and others (Appellants) ex parte Pinochet (Respondent) (On Appeal from a Divisional Court of the Queen’s Bench Division)—
2.Regina v. Evans and another and the Commissioner of Police for the Metropolis and others (Appellants) ex parte Pinochet (Respondent) (On Appeal from a Divisional Court of the Queen’s Bench Division)—

The Report from the Appellate Committee was agreed to; it was ordered and adjudged that the Order of the Divisional Court of 28th October 1998 relating to the decision of Mr Evans sitting at Bow Street Magistrates’ Court on 16th October 1998 to issue a provisional warrant

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for the arrest of the respondent, be affirmed save as to costs; that the Order of the Divisional Court of 28th October 1998 relating to the decision of Mr Bartle sitting in the same court on 22nd October 1998 to issue a further provisional warrant for the arrest of the respondent, be set aside; that the said decision of Mr Bartle be restored, save that the warrant be varied so that for the instances of the date “1st January 1988” there be substituted the date “8th December 1988” and that the charges numbered 3, 4 and 5 be deleted; and that the question of costs be adjourned sine die.

3.Morgans (Petitioner) v. Director of Public Prosecutions (Respondent) (On Appeal from a Divisional Court of the Queen’s Bench Division)—The petition of Stephen Morgans praying for leave to appeal in accordance with the Administration of Justice Act 1960 was presented and referred to an Appeal Committee (lodged 23rd March).
4.Waters (A.P.) (Appellant) v. Commissioner of Police for the Metropolis (Respondent)—The petition of the appellant praying that the time for lodging the statement and appendix and setting down the cause for hearing might be extended to 6th May next (the agents for the respondent consenting thereto) was presented; and it was ordered as prayed.

The House was adjourned during pleasure.

The House was resumed.

5.Earl of Jersey—George Francis William Earl of Jersey sat first in Parliament after the death of his grandfather, George Francis Earl of Jersey, having first taken and subscribed the oath pursuant to statute.


6.Command Papers—The following papers were presented to the House by command of Her Majesty and ordered to lie on the Table:
1.Finance—Departmental Reports on the Government’s Expenditure Plans for 1999–2002 by—
(i)The Law Officers’ Departments;(4207)
(ii)The Department for Education and Employment and Office for Standards in Education;(4202)
2.Local Government—Local Leadership, Local Choice: Government consultation document.
7.Affirmative Instrument—The following instrument was laid before the House for approval by resolution and ordered to lie on the Table:

Draft European Parliamentary Elections Regulations 1999.

8.Negative Instruments—The following instruments were laid before the House and ordered to lie on the Table:
1.Police (Health and Safety) Regulations 1999, laid under the Health and Safety at Work etc. Act 1974;
2. (i)Water Protection Zone (River Dee Catchment) Designation Order 1999—(915)
(ii)Water Protection Zone (River Dee Catchment) (Procedural and Other Provisions) Regulations 1999—(916)
 laid under the Water Resources Act 1991.
9.Papers not subject to parliamentary proceedings—The following papers were laid before the House and ordered to lie on the Table:
1.3rd Report for Session 1998–99 of the Parliamentary Commissioner for Administration: Disclosure of Information relating to Deaths in Prison, laid under the Parliamentary Commissioner Act 1967;
2.Objectives for the Policing of Northern Ireland, laid under the Police (Northern Ireland) Act 1998.

Select Committee Report

10.Delegated Powers and Deregulation—The following report from the Select Committee was made and ordered to be printed:

10th Report, on the following bills:

 House of Lords Bill;
 Further and Higher Education (Scotland) (Amendment) Bill [HL];
 Criminal Cases Review (Insanity) Bill [HL]. (HL Paper 45)

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Private Business

11.City of Westminster Bill [HL]—The Commons amendments were considered and agreed to.

Public Business

12.Business of the House—It was moved by the Baroness Jay of Paddington that the debate on the motion in the name of the Lord Northbourne set down for today shall be limited to 3½ hours and that in the name of the Viscount Tenby to 2½ hours; the motion was agreed to.
13.Marriage (3½-hour debate)—It was moved by the Lord Northbourne that there be laid before the House papers relating to the economic and social role of marriage; after debate, the motion was (by leave of the House) withdrawn.
14.Persistent juvenile offenders (2½-hour debate)—It was moved by the Viscount Tenby that there be laid before the House papers relating to the problems of dealing with persistent juvenile offenders, in the light of the report by the Social Services Inspectorate on the Medway Secure Training Centre; after debate, the motion was (by leave of the House) withdrawn.
15.Gulf War illnesses—The Lord Morris of Manchester asked Her Majesty’s Government what progress they are making in their investigations into the undiagnosed illnesses of service men and women who served in the Gulf War; after debate, the question was answered by the Lord Hoyle.

The House was adjourned at a quarter-before eleven o’clock
till tomorrow, two o’clock for judicial business,
three o’clock for public business.