House of Lords Journal 232 (Session 1998-99)


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Wednesday 13 January 1999

The House met at half-past two o’clock.

The following Lords Spiritual and Temporal were present:

Irvine of Lairg, L.
(Lord Chancellor)

Aberdare, L.
Abinger, L.
Ackner, L.
Acton, L.
Addington, L.
Addison, V.
Ahmed, L.
Ailesbury, M.
Ailsa, M.
Alderdice, L.
Aldington, L.
Alexander of Tunis, E.
Alli, L.
Alton of Liverpool, L.
Amos, B.
Ampthill, L.
Anelay of St. Johns, B.
Annan, L.
Archer of Sandwell, L.
Ashbourne, L.
Ashley of Stoke, L.
Attlee, E.
Avebury, L.
Bach, L.
Baker of Dorking, L.
Baldwin of Bewdley, E.
Balfour of Inchrye, L.
Banbury of Southam, L.
Barnett, L.
Bassam of Brighton, L.
Bath, M.
Beaumont of Whitley, L.
Belhaven and Stenton, L.
Beloff, L.
Berkeley, L.
Bethell, L.
Biddulph, L.
Biffen, L.
Birdwood, L.
Blackwell, L.
Blatch, B.
Blease, L.
Blyth, L.
Boardman, L.
Borrie, L.
Boston of Faversham, L.
Brabazon of Tara, L.
Bragg, L.
Brentford, V.
Brightman, L.
Broadbridge, L.
Brookman, L.
Brooks of Tremorfa, L.
Brougham and Vaux, L.
Browne-Wilkinson, L.
Bruce of Donington, L.
Bruntisfield, L.
Burlison, L.
Burnham, L.
Burns, L.
Butterworth, L.
Byford, B.
Cadman, L.
Caithness, E.
Callaghan of Cardiff, L.
Calverley, L.
Campbell of Alloway, L.
Campbell of Croy, L.
Carlisle, E.
Carlisle of Bucklow, L.
Carnarvon, E.
Carnegy of Lour, B.
Carrick, E.
Carrington, L.
Carter, L.
Chadlington, L.
Charteris of Amisfield, L.
Chesham, L.
Christopher, L.
Clancarty, E.
Clanwilliam, E.
Clark of Kempston, L.
Clarke of Hampstead, L.
Cledwyn of Penrhos, L.
Clement-Jones, L.
Clinton-Davis, L.
Cockfield, L.
Cocks of Hartcliffe, L.
Coleridge, L.
Colville of Culross, V.
Colwyn, L.
Constantine of Stanmore, L.
Cooke of Islandreagh, L.
Cope of Berkeley, L.
Courtown, E.
Cowdrey of Tonbridge, L.
Cox, B.
Craig of Radley, L.
Craigavon, V.
Craigmyle, L.
Cranbrook, E.
Crathorne, L.
Cross, V.
Cuckney, L.
Currie of Marylebone, L.
Darcy de Knayth, B.
David, B.
Davidson, V.
Davies of Coity, L.
Davies of Oldham, L.
De Ramsey, L.
Dean of Beswick, L.
Denham, L.
Denton of Wakefield, B.
Desai, L.
Dholakia, L.
Dixon, L.
Dixon-Smith, L.
Donegall, M.
Donoughue, L.
Dormand of Easington, L.
Downshire, M.
Dundee, E.
Dundonald, E.
Eatwell, L.
Eccles of Moulton, B.
Ellenborough, L.
Elliott of Morpeth, L.
Exmouth, V.
Ezra, L.
Falkland, V.
Farrington of Ribbleton, B.
Feldman, L.
Ferrers, E.
Fitt, L.
Flather, B.
Fookes, B.
Fraser of Carmyllie, L.
Freyberg, L.
Gainford, L.
Gainsborough, E.

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Gardner of Parkes, B.
Geraint, L.
Gilbert, L.
Gisborough, L.
Gladwyn, L.
Glanusk, L.
Glenamara, L.
Glenarthur, L.
Goodhart, L.
Gormanston, V.
Goudie, B.
Gould of Potternewton, B.
Graham of Edmonton, L.
Gray of Contin, L.
Greenway, L.
Gregson, L.
Grenfell, L.
Grey, E.
Hacking, L.
Halsbury, E.
Hampton, L.
Hamwee, B.
Hanworth, V.
Harding of Petherton, L.
Hardinge of Penshurst, L.
Hardy of Wath, L.
Harris of Greenwich, L.
Harris of Haringey, L.
Harrowby, E.
Haskel, L.
Haslam, L.
Hattersley, L.
Hayhoe, L.
Hayman, B.
Hemphill, L.
Henley, L.
Hilton of Eggardon, B.
Hogg of Cumbernauld, L.
Holderness, L.
Hollis of Heigham, B.
HolmPatrick, L.
Hood, V.
Hooson, L.
Howe, E.
Howell of Guildford, L.
Howie of Troon, L.
Hoyle, L.
Hughes, L.
Hughes of Woodside, L.
Hunt of Kings Heath, L.
Hussey of North Bradley, L.
Hylton, L.
Hylton-Foster, B.
Ilchester, E.
Inchyra, L.
Inglewood, L.
Ironside, L.
Iveagh, E.
Jakobovits, L.
Janner of Braunstone, L.
Jay of Paddington, B.
Jeffreys, L.
Jeger, B.
Jenkin of Roding, L.
Jenkins of Hillhead, L.
Jenkins of Putney, L.
Johnston of Rockport, L.
Jopling, L.
Judd, L.
Kenilworth, L.
Kennedy of The Shaws, B.
Kennet, L.
Kenyon, L.
Kilbracken, L.
Kimball, L.
Kingsland, L.
Kinloss, Ly.
Kinnoull, E.
Kintore, E.
Kirkhill, L.
Knight of Collingtree, B.
Knollys, V.
Laing of Dunphail, L.
Laming, L.
Lamont of Lerwick, L.
Lang of Monkton, L.
Lauderdale, E.
Lawrence, L.
Layton, L.
Leathers, V.
Leigh, L.
Lester of Herne Hill, L.
Lindsay, E.
Lindsey and Abingdon, E.
Linklater of Butterstone, B.
Listowel, E.
Liverpool, E.
Lloyd-George of Dwyfor, E.
Lockwood, B.
Lofthouse of Pontefract, L.
Longford, E.
Lovell-Davis, L.
Lucas of Chilworth, L.
Ludford, B.
Luke, L.
Lyell, L.
Macclesfield, E.
McColl of Dulwich, L.
McConnell, L.
McIntosh of Haringey, L.
Mackay of Ardbrecknish, L.
Mackay of Drumadoon, L.
Mackie of Benshie, L.
McNair, L.
McNally, L.
Maddock, B.
Mallalieu, B.
Malmesbury, E.
Mancroft, L.
Mar, C.
Mar and Kellie, E.
Marlesford, L.
Marsh, L.
Masham of Ilton, B.
Massereene and Ferrard, V.
Mayhew of Twysden, L.
Mersey, V.
Miller of Chilthorne Domer, B.
Miller of Hendon, B.
Milner of Leeds, L.
Milverton, L.
Molloy, L.
Molyneaux of Killead, L.
Monkswell, L.
Monson, L.
Montagu of Beaulieu, L.
Monteagle of Brandon, L.
Montgomery of Alamein, V.
Morris, L.
Morris of Castle Morris, L.
Mountevans, L.
Mowbray and Stourton, L.
Moyne, L.
Munster, E.
Murray of Epping Forest, L.
Murton of Lindisfarne, L.
Napier and Ettrick, L.
Naseby, L.
Nathan, L.
Nelson, E.
Newall, L.
Newby, L.
Newton of Braintree, L.
Nicol, B.
Noel-Buxton, L.
Norfolk, D.
Norrie, L.
Northbourne, L.
Northesk, E.
Norton, L.
Norton of Louth, L.
Nunburnholme, L.
O’Cathain, B.
Ogmore, L.
Onslow, E.
Onslow of Woking, L.
Orme, L.
Oxfuird, V.
Palmer, L.
Patten, L.
Paul, L.
Pearson of Rannoch, L.
Peel, E.
Pender, L.
Perry of Walton, L.
Peston, L.
Peyton of Yeovil, L.
Phillips of Sudbury, L.
Pilkington of Oxenford, L.
Pitkeathley, B.
Plant of Highfield, L.
Ponsonby of Shulbrede, L.
Puttnam, L.
Quinton, L.
Quirk, L.
Ramsay of Cartvale, B.
Randall of St. Budeaux, L.
Ranfurly, E.
Rankeillour, L.
Rawlings, B.
Razzall, L.
Rea, L.
Reay, L.
Redesdale, L.
Renton, L.
Renton of Mount Harry, L.
Renwick, L.
Richard, L.
Roberts of Conwy, L.
Rodgers of Quarry Bank, L.
Rogers of Riverside, L.
Rotherwick, L.
Rowallan, L.
Russell, E.
Ryder of Wensum, L.
St. Davids, V.
St. John of Bletso, L.

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St. John of Fawsley, L.
Saltoun of Abernethy, Ly.
Sandberg, L.
Sandwich, E.
Sawyer, L.
Scotland of Asthal, B.
Seccombe, B.
Sefton of Garston, L.
Selborne, E.
Selsdon, L.
Sempill, L.
Sewel, L.
Shannon, E.
Sharples, B.
Shaughnessy, L.
Shaw of Northstead, L.
Shepherd, L.
Shore of Stepney, L.
Simon, V.
Simon of Glaisdale, L.
Simon of Highbury, L.
Skelmersdale, L.
Slim, V.
Smith of Clifton, L.
Soulsby of Swaffham Prior, L.
Stallard, L.
Steel of Aikwood, L.
Stewartby, L.
Stodart of Leaston, L.
Stoddart of Swindon, L.
Stokes, L.
Strabolgi, L.
Strafford, E.
Strange, B.
Strathcarron, L.
Strathclyde, L.
Strathcona and Mt. Royal, L.
Sudeley, L.
Swansea, L.
Swinfen, L.
Symons of Vernham Dean, B.
Taverne, L.
Taylor of Blackburn, L.
Taylor of Warwick, L.
Tenby, V.
Teviot, L.
Teynham, L.
Thomas of Gwydir, L.
Thomson of Monifieth, L.
Tollemache, L.
Tordoff, L.
Torrington, V.
Trenchard, V.
Trumpington, B.
Tryon, L.
Turner of Camden, B.
Ullswater, V.
Vivian, L.
Wade of Chorlton, L.
Wakefield, Bp.
Wakeham, L.
Walker of Doncaster, L.
Walker of Worcester, L.
Walpole, L.
Walton of Detchant, L.
Warnock, B.
Watson of Invergowrie, L.
Weatherill, L.
Westbury, L.
Wharton, B.
Whitty, L.
Wilcox, B.
Williams of Elvel, L.
Williams of Mostyn, L.
Winston, L.
Wise, L.
Wynford, L.
Young, B.
Young of Old Scone, B.

PRAYERS were read by the Lord Bishop of Wakefield.

1.Leave of absence—It was ordered that the leave of absence granted to the Viscount Boyd of Merton be terminated.

Judicial Business

2.Curtis (Respondent) v. Chairman of the London Rent Assessment Committee (Petitioner) and others—Upon application by the petitioner (the agents for the respondent consenting thereto) it was ordered that the petition be withdrawn and that the petitioner do pay to the respondent the costs of the petition the amount thereof to certified by the Clerk of the Parliaments if not agreed between the parties.
3.Regina v. Collins and Pathfinder Mental Health Services NHS Trust and others (Petitioners) ex parte S (Respondent)—Upon application by the petitioners (the agents for the respondent consenting thereto) it was ordered that the petition be withdrawn; that the costs of the respondent be taxed in accordance with the Legal Aid Act 1988; and that the first and second petitioners do pay to the respondent the costs of the petition, the amount thereof to certified by the Clerk of the Parliaments if not agreed between the parties.
4.St George’s Healthcare NHS Trust (Petitioners) v. S (Respondent)—Upon application by the petitioners (the agents for the respondent consenting thereto) it was ordered that the petition be withdrawn; that the costs of the respondent be taxed in accordance with the Legal Aid Act 1988; and that the petitioners do pay to the respondent the costs of the petition, the amount thereof to certified by the Clerk of the Parliaments if not agreed between the parties.
5.Harries (A.P.) (Appellant) v. Barclays Bank plc (Respondents)—The appeal was set down for hearing and referred to an Appellate Committee.
6.Appeal Committee—The 14th Report was made; the Appeal Committee reported that they had met and had heard Counsel; the Report was agreed to and the following Order was made:

Regina v. Bartle and the Commissioner of Police for the Metropolis and others (Appellants) ex parte Pinochet (Respondent) (On Appeal from a Divisional Court of the Queen’s Bench Division)—

Regina v. Evans and another and the Commissioner of Police for the Metropolis and others (Appellants) ex parte Pinochet (Respondent) (On Appeal from a Divisional Court of the Queen’s Bench Division)—

That the petition of Amnesty International and others that they might be heard or otherwise intervene in the said appeal be allowed and that they may have leave to lodge written argument and be heard; that the petition of Human Rights Watch be allowed subject to written argument only; and that the petition of the Republic of Chile be allowed on the same terms as Amnesty International subject to their written arguments being lodged with the other parties by 10.00 pm on Thursday 14th January.

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Papers

7.Command Papers—The following papers were presented to the House by command of Her Majesty and ordered to lie on the Table:
1.European Communities—Europe Agreement establishing an Association between the European Communities and their Member States and Estonia including Protocols with Exchange of Letters, Declarations and Final Act;
 (—)
2.Treaty Series—3rd Supplementary List of ratifications, accessions and withdrawals for 1998;
 (4185)
3.Social Security—Report by the Government Actuary on the drafts of the Social Security Benefits Up-rating Order 1999 and the Social Security (Contributions) (Re-rating and National Insurance Fund Payments) Order 1999.
 (4199)
8.Affirmative Instruments—The following instruments were laid before the House for approval by resolution and ordered to lie on the Table:
1.Draft Social Security Benefits Up-rating Order 1999;
2.Draft Social Security (Contributions) (Re-rating and National Insurance Fund Payments) Order 1999;
3.Draft Guaranteed Minimum Pensions Increase Order 1999.
9.Negative Instruments—The following instruments were laid before the House and ordered to lie on the Table:
(i)Health and Safety at Work etc. Act 1974 (Application to Environmentally Hazardous Substances) (Amendment) Regulations 1999—(40)
(ii)Arable Area Payments (Amendment) Regulations 1999—(8)
 laid under the European Communities Act 1972.

Select Committee Report

10.Delegated Powers and Deregulation—The following report from the Select Committee was made and ordered to be printed:

5th Report, on the following bills:

 Access to Justice Bill [HL];
 Freedom of Information Bill [HL];
 Sea Fisheries (Shellfish) (Amendment) Bill [HL]. (HL Paper 17)

Public Business

11.Access to Justice Bill [HL]—It was moved by the Lord Chancellor that it be an instruction to the Committee of the Whole House to whom the Access to Justice Bill [HL] has been committed that they consider the bill in the following order:
Clause 1
Schedule 1
Clauses 2 to 7
Schedule 2
Clauses 8 to 14
Schedule 3
Clauses 15 to 22
Schedule 4
Clauses 23 to 35
Schedule 5
Clauses 36 and 37
Schedule 6
Clauses 38 to 51
Schedule 7
Clause 52
Schedule 8
Clauses 53 to 61
Schedule 9
Clauses 62 to 75
Schedule 10
Clause 76
Schedule 11
Clauses 77 to 80;

the motion was agreed to.

12.HIV/AIDS in sub-Saharan Africa (Short debate)—It was moved by the Earl of Sandwich that there be laid before the House papers relating to the case for an adequate contribution to the control and prevention of HIV/AIDS in sub-Saharan Africa; after debate, the motion was (by leave of the House) withdrawn.
13.Leisure activities (Short debate)—It was moved by the Lord Walpole that there be laid before the House papers relating to increased time for leisure activities and the pressures and problems this causes; after debate, the motion was (by leave of the House) withdrawn.
14.Hospital disciplinary procedures—The Baroness Knight of Collingtree asked Her Majesty’s Government whether they will consider the case for changes in the procedure to deal with alleged disciplinary misdemeanours by hospital doctors or consultants, particularly to speed up the process; after debate, the question was answered by the Baroness Hayman.

The House was adjourned at eight minutes before nine o’clock
till tomorrow, three o’clock.