House of Lords Journal 232 (Session 1998-99)


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Thursday 10 December 1998

The House met at two o’clock.

The following Lords Spiritual and Temporal were present:

Irvine of Lairg, L.
(Lord Chancellor)

Aberdare, L.
Ackner, L.
Addington, L.
Addison, V.
Ahmed, L.
Ailesbury, M.
Ailsa, M.
Aldington, L.
Alexander of Tunis, E.
Allen of Abbeydale, L.
Allenby of Megiddo, V.
Alli, L.
Amos, B.
Ampthill, L.
Anelay of St. Johns, B.
Annaly, L.
Archer of Weston-Super-Mare, L.
Arran, E.
Ashbourne, L.
Ashley of Stoke, L.
Astor, V.
Astor of Hever, L.
Attlee, E.
Avebury, L.
Baldwin of Bewdley, E.
Balfour of Inchrye, L.
Banbury of Southam, L.
Barber, L.
Barnett, L.
Bassam of Brighton, L.
Beaumont of Whitley, L.
Belhaven and Stenton, L.
Beloff, L.
Berkeley, L.
Berners, B.
Biddulph, L.
Biffen, L.
Birdwood, L.
Birmingham, Bp.
Blackstone, B.
Blatch, B.
Blease, L.
Blyth, L.
Boardman, L.
Boston of Faversham, L.
Bowness, L.
Brabazon of Tara, L.
Bragg, L.
Braine of Wheatley, L.
Brentford, V.
Bridgeman, V.
Bridges, L.
Broadbridge, L.
Brooke of Alverthorpe, L.
Brookman, L.
Brooks of Tremorfa, L.
Broughshane, L.
Browne-Wilkinson, L.
Bruce of Donington, L.
Bruntisfield, L.
Burlison, L.
Burnham, L.
Burns, L.
Buscombe, B.
Butler of Brockwell, L.
Butterfield, L.
Butterworth, L.
Cadman, L.
Caithness, E.
Calverley, L.
Campbell of Alloway, L.
Campbell of Croy, L.
Carew, L.
Carlisle, E.
Carlisle of Bucklow, L.
Carmichael of Kelvingrove, L.
Carnegy of Lour, B.
Carnock, L.
Carr of Hadley, L.
Carrick, E.
Carter, L.
Castle of Blackburn, B.
Chalfont, L.
Chapple, L.
Charteris of Amisfield, L.
Chesham, L.
Chichester, Bp.
Christopher, L.
Clancarty, E.
Clark of Kempston, L.
Clarke of Hampstead, L.
Cledwyn of Penrhos, L.
Clement-Jones, L.
Clinton-Davis, L.
Clwyd, L.
Cockfield, L.
Cocks of Hartcliffe, L.
Coleraine, L.
Coleridge, L.
Colville of Culross, V.
Colwyn, L.
Cope of Berkeley, L.
Courtown, E.
Craig of Radley, L.
Craigavon, V.
Craigmyle, L.
Crathorne, L.
Crickhowell, L.
Cromartie, E.
Cross, V.
Cuckney, L.
Cullen of Ashbourne, L.
Currie of Marylebone, L.
Dahrendorf, L.
Dartmouth, E.
David, B.
Davidson, V.
Davies of Coity, L.
Davies of Oldham, L.
De Freyne, L.
Dean of Beswick, L.
Dearing, L.
Denbigh, E.
Denham, L.
Denton of Wakefield, B.
Desai, L.
Devonport, V.
Dholakia, L.
Dilhorne, V.
Dixon, L.
Dixon-Smith, L.
Donegall, M.
Dormand of Easington, L.
Downshire, M.
Drogheda, E.
Dundonald, E.
Eatwell, L.
Eden of Winton, L.
Effingham, E.
Elis-Thomas, L.
Ellenborough, L.
Elles, B.
Elliott of Morpeth, L.
Elton, L.
Erroll, E.
Evans of Parkside, L.
Evans of Watford, L.
Ewing of Kirkford, L.
Falkland, V.
Farrington of Ribbleton, B.

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Ferrers, E.
Fitt, L.
Flather, B.
Fookes, B.
Forbes, L.
Fraser of Carmyllie, L.
Freyberg, L.
Gainford, L.
Gallacher, L.
Gardner of Parkes, B.
Geddes, L.
Geraint, L.
Gilbert, L.
Gilmour of Craigmillar, L.
Gisborough, L.
Gladwin of Clee, L.
Gladwyn, L.
Glenamara, L.
Glenarthur, L.
Goff of Chieveley, L.
Goodhart, L.
Gordon of Strathblane, L.
Gormanston, V.
Goudie, B.
Gould of Potternewton, B.
Graham of Edmonton, L.
Grantchester, L.
Grenfell, L.
Grey, E.
Grimston of Westbury, L.
Hacking, L.
Halsbury, E.
Hampden, V.
Hamwee, B.
Hanningfield, L.
Hanworth, V.
Harding of Petherton, L.
Hardinge of Penshurst, L.
Hardy of Wath, L.
Harlech, L.
Harmar-Nicholls, L.
Harris of Greenwich, L.
Harris of Haringey, L.
Harrowby, E.
Haskel, L.
Hayhoe, L.
Hayman, B.
Hayter, L.
Hemphill, L.
Henley, L.
Higgins, L.
Hogg of Cumbernauld, L.
Holderness, L.
Hollis of Heigham, B.
HolmPatrick, L.
Hooper, B.
Howe, E.
Hoyle, L.
Hughes, L.
Hughes of Woodside, L.
Hunt of Kings Heath, L.
Hunt of Wirral, L.
Hutchinson of Lullington, L.
Hylton, L.
Hylton-Foster, B.
Inge, L.
Inglewood, L.
Ironside, L.
Islwyn, L.
Janner of Braunstone, L.
Jauncey of Tullichettle, L.
Jay of Paddington, B.
Jellicoe, E.
Jenkin of Roding, L.
Jenkins of Hillhead, L.
Jenkins of Putney, L.
Johnston of Rockport, L.
Jopling, L.
Judd, L.
Kennet, L.
Kilbracken, L.
Kimball, L.
Kimberley, E.
Kingsland, L.
Kinloss, Ly.
Kinnoull, E.
Kintore, E.
Kitchener, E.
Knight of Collingtree, B.
Knollys, V.
Laing of Dunphail, L.
Laming, L.
Lamont of Lerwick, L.
Lauderdale, E.
Lawrence, L.
Layton, L.
Leathers, V.
Leigh, L.
Lester of Herne Hill, L.
Lindsey and Abingdon, E.
Linklater of Butterstone, B.
Listowel, E.
Liverpool, E.
Lloyd-George of Dwyfor, E.
Lockwood, B.
Lofthouse of Pontefract, L.
Long, V.
Longford, E.
Lucas, L.
Lucas of Chilworth, L.
Luke, L.
Lyell, L.
McCluskey, L.
McColl of Dulwich, L.
McIntosh of Haringey, L.
Mackay of Ardbrecknish, L.
Mackenzie of Framwellgate, L.
Mackie of Benshie, L.
McNair, L.
McNally, L.
Maddock, B.
Mancroft, L.
Mar, C.
Mar and Kellie, E.
Marlesford, L.
Marsh, L.
Masham of Ilton, B.
Mason of Barnsley, L.
Massereene and Ferrard, V.
Merlyn-Rees, L.
Mersey, V.
Meston, L.
Methuen, L.
Middleton, L.
Miller of Chilthorne Domer, B.
Miller of Hendon, B.
Milner of Leeds, L.
Milverton, L.
Mishcon, L.
Molloy, L.
Molyneaux of Killead, L.
Monk Bretton, L.
Monkswell, L.
Monro of Langholm, L.
Monson, L.
Montagu of Beaulieu, L.
Montague of Oxford, L.
Montgomery of Alamein, V.
Montrose, D.
Moore of Wolvercote, L.
Moran, L.
Morris, L.
Morris of Castle Morris, L.
Morris of Manchester, L.
Mottistone, L.
Mountevans, L.
Mowbray and Stourton, L.
Moyne, L.
Moynihan, L.
Munster, E.
Murray of Epping Forest, L.
Murton of Lindisfarne, L.
Napier and Ettrick, L.
Napier of Magdâla, L.
Naseby, L.
Nathan, L.
Nelson, E.
Newall, L.
Newby, L.
Newton of Braintree, L.
Nicholson of Winterbourne, B.
Nicol, B.
Noel-Buxton, L.
Norrie, L.
Northbourne, L.
Northesk, E.
Norton, L.
Norton of Louth, L.
Nunburnholme, L.
O’Cathain, B.
Oliver of Aylmerton, L.
Onslow, E.
Oxford, Bp.
Oxfuird, V.
Palmer, L.
Pearson of Rannoch, L.
Peel, E.
Pender, L.
Perry of Walton, L.
Peston, L.
Phillips of Sudbury, L.
Pilkington of Oxenford, L.
Platt of Writtle, B.
Plumb, L.
Plummer of St. Marylebone, L.
Ponsonby of Shulbrede, L.
Porter of Luddenham, L.
Prys-Davies, L.
Puttnam, L.
Quinton, L.
Quirk, L.
Ramsay of Cartvale, B.
Randall of St. Budeaux, L.
Rankeillour, L.
Rathcavan, L.
Rawlings, B.
Rawlinson of Ewell, L.

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Razzall, L.
Rea, L.
Reading, M.
Reay, L.
Redesdale, L.
Rees, L.
Rendell of Babergh, B.
Renfrew of Kaimsthorn, L.
Renton, L.
Renwick, L.
Richard, L.
Ridley, V.
Rix, L.
Roberts of Conwy, L.
Rodgers of Quarry Bank, L.
Roll of Ipsden, L.
Rollo, L.
Romney, E.
Rosslyn, E.
Rotherwick, L.
Rowallan, L.
Runciman of Doxford, V.
Russell, E.
Russell-Johnston, L.
St. Davids, V.
St. John of Bletso, L.
St. John of Fawsley, L.
Sandberg, L.
Sanderson of Bowden, L.
Sandwich, E.
Sandys, L.
Sawyer, L.
Scotland of Asthal, B.
Seccombe, B.
Selborne, E.
Shannon, E.
Shaughnessy, L.
Shaw of Northstead, L.
Shore of Stepney, L.
Shrewsbury, E.
Simon, V.
Simon of Glaisdale, L.
Skelmersdale, L.
Skidelsky, L.
Slim, V.
Smith of Clifton, L.
Smith of Gilmorehill, B.
Soulsby of Swaffham Prior, L.
Stafford, L.
Stallard, L.
Steel of Aikwood, L.
Stewartby, L.
Stone of Blackheath, L.
Strabolgi, L.
Strafford, E.
Strange, B.
Strathcarron, L.
Strathclyde, L.
Strathcona and Mt. Royal, L.
Swansea, L.
Swinfen, L.
Symons of Vernham Dean, B.
Taverne, L.
Taylor of Blackburn, L.
Taylor of Gryfe, L.
Temple of Stowe, E.
Tenby, V.
Teviot, L.
Thomas of Gresford, L.
Thomas of Gwydir, L.
Thomson of Monifieth, L.
Thornton, B.
Thurlow, L.
Tope, L.
Torrington, V.
Trenchard, V.
Trumpington, B.
Turner of Camden, B.
Uddin, B.
Ullswater, V.
Vivian, L.
Waddington, L.
Wakeham, L.
Walker of Doncaster, L.
Wallace of Saltaire, L.
Walpole, L.
Walton of Detchant, L.
Warnock, B.
Watson of Invergowrie, L.
Waverley, V.
Weatherill, L.
Whaddon, L.
Wharton, B.
Whitty, L.
Wigoder, L.
Wilberforce, L.
Wilcox, B.
Williams of Elvel, L.
Williams of Mostyn, L.
Winchilsea and Nottingham, E.
Wright of Richmond, L.
Young, B.

PRAYERS were read by the Lord Bishop of Birmingham.

Judicial Business

1.Ingram and another (Appellants) v. Commissioners of Inland Revenue (Respondents)—The Report from the Appellate Committee was agreed to; it was ordered and adjudged that the Order of the Court of Appeal of 28th July 1997 be set aside and that the Order of Mr Justice Ferris of 17th May 1995 be varied so as to declare that the Notice of Determination dated 10th October 1994 be amended so as to substitute for paragraphs 1 to 5 thereof the following declarations: 1. The combined effect of the transfers and the declarations of trust dated 31st March 1987 (“the Declarations of Trust”) was to effect potentially exempt transfers of value which by virtue of the death of Lady Ingram became chargeable transfers pursuant to sections 2, 3 and 3A of the Inheritance Tax Act 1984; 2. The leases are and were at all material times valid and enforceable; 3. The value transferred by the potentially exempt transfers referred to in (1.) above was the value of Lady Ingram’s interest as sole beneficial owner of the freeholds immediately before the execution of the transfers less the value of the leases immediately after their creation; 4. At all times following the potentially exempt transfers the freehold reversions on the leases were enjoyed to the entire exclusion or virtually the entire exclusion of Lady Ingram and of any benefit to her by way of contract or otherwise and accordingly the said freehold reversions were not deemed to be included in her estate on her death for inheritance tax purposes by virtue of section 102 of the Finance Act 1986; and that the respondents do pay to the appellants their costs in the Court of Appeal and in this House, the amount of such last-mentioned costs to be certified by the Clerk of the Parliaments if not agreed between the parties.
2.British Telecommunications plc (Appellants) v. James Thomson and Sons (Engineers) Limited (Respondents) (Scotland)—The Report from the Appellate Committee was agreed to; it was ordered and adjudged that the Interlocutor of the Second Division of the Court of Session of 13th December 1996 and the Interlocutors of the Lord Ordinary of 7th February 1996 be recalled; that the cause do proceed to a proof before answer and be remitted back to the Court of Session to proceed as accords; and that the respondents do pay to the appellants their expenses of the debate and reclaiming motion in the Court of Session and their costs in this House, the amount of such costs to be certified by the Clerk of the Parliaments if not agreed between the parties.

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3.In re Pinochet—The petition of Senator Augusto Pinochet Ugarte praying that the opinion of the Lord Hoffmann in relation to the appeal be declared to be of no effect and that the Judgment of the House of 25th November last be vacated, was presented and referred to an Appeal Committee.
4.Commercial Union Assurance Company plc and others (Petitioners) v. NRG Victory Reinsurance Limited (Respondents)—Upon application by the petitioners (the agents for the respondents consenting thereto), it was ordered that the petition be withdrawn and that there be no order as to costs.
5.Skandia International Insurance Corporation and others (Petitioners) v. NRG Victory Reinsurance Limited (Respondents)—Upon application by the petitioners (the agents for the respondents consenting thereto), it was ordered that the petition be withdrawn and that there be no order as to costs.
6.Regina v. Secretary of State for the Home Department (Respondent) ex parte Salem (A.P.) (Appellant)—The appeal was set down for hearing and referred to an Appellate Committee.
7.Appeal Committee—The 6th Report from the Appeal Committee was agreed to and the following Order was made:

Biesheuvel (Respondent) v. Birrell (Petitioner)—That leave to appeal be refused; that the respondent be at liberty to apply for his costs in accordance with direction 5.1(d) and, if the application is granted, that the amount thereof be certified by the Clerk of the Parliaments if not agreed between the parties.

8.Appeal Committee—The 7th Report from the Appeal Committee was agreed to and the following Order was made:

In re Pinochet—That the petition be referred for hearing.

The House was adjourned during pleasure.

The House was resumed.

9. Lord Rollo (Lord Dunning)—David Eric Howard Lord Rollo (Lord Dunning) sat first in Parliament after the death of his father, Eric John Stapylton Lord Rollo, having first taken and subscribed the oath pursuant to statute.

Papers

10.Command Papers—The following papers were presented to the House by command of Her Majesty and ordered to lie on the Table:
1.Libraries—Report and Accounts for 1997–98 of the National Library of Wales;
 (—)
2.Tobacco—Smoking Kills: A White Paper on Tobacco.
 (4177)
11.Affirmative Instruments—The following instruments were laid before the House for approval by resolution and ordered to lie on the Table:
1.Companies (Fees) (Amendment) Regulations 1998;
  (3088)
2.Open-Ended Investment Companies (Investment Companies with Variable Capital) (Fees) Regulations 1998.
 (3087)
12.Negative Instruments—The following instruments were laid before the House and ordered to lie on the Table:
1.Merchant Shipping (Registration of Ships) (Amendment) Regulations 1998, laid under the Merchant Shipping Act 1995;
 (2976)
2.Civil Aviation (Navigation Services Charges) (Amendment) Regulations 1998, laid under the Civil Aviation Act 1982;
 (2975)
3.Non-Domestic Rating Contributions (England) (Amendment) Regulations 1998, laid under the Local Government Finance Act 1988;
 (3038)
4.Home Repair Assistance (Extension) Regulations 1998, laid under the Housing Grants, Construction and Regeneration Act 1996;
 (2998)
5.Housing (Right to Buy) (Limits on Discount) Order 1998, laid under the Housing Act 1985;
 (2997)
6.Five Statutes made by Magdalen College, Oxford on 13th February, laid under the Universities of Oxford and Cambridge Act 1923;
 (—)
7.Vehicle Excise Duty (Reduced Pollution) Regulations 1998, laid under the Vehicle Excise and Registration Act 1994;
 (3094)
8.Motor Vehicles (Type Approval of Reduced Pollution Adaptations) Regulations 1998, laid under the Road Traffic Act 1988;
 (3093)
9. (i)BSE Offspring Slaughter Regulations 1998—(3070)
(ii)Consumer Protection (Cancellation of Contracts Concluded away from Business Premises) (Amendment) Regulations 1998—(3050)

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(iii)Industry Act 1975 (Prohibition and Vesting Order) Regulations 1998—(3035)
 laid under the European Communities Act 1972;
10.Reserve Forces Act 1996 (Consequential Provisions etc.) Regulations 1998, laid under the Reserve Forces Act 1996;
 (3086)
11.Wireless Telegraphy Appeal Tribunal Rules 1998, laid under the Wireless Telegraphy Act 1949;
 (3036)
12.National Health Service (Choice of Dental Practitioner) (Scotland) Amendment Regulations 1998, laid under the National Health Service (Scotland) Act 1978;
 (3052)
13.Grants for Improvements in School Education (Scotland) Regulations 1998, laid under the Education (Scotland) Act 1980;
 (3051)
14.Magistrates’ Courts Committees (Northumbria) Amalgamation (Amendment) Order 1998, laid under the Justices of the Peace Act 1997;
 (3108)
15.Justices’ Clerks (Qualifications of Assistants) (Amendment) Rules 1998, laid under the Magistrates’ Courts Act 1980.
 (3107)
13.Papers not subject to parliamentary proceedings—The following papers were laid before the House and ordered to lie on the Table:
1.Residential care of Handicapped Persons under the age of 65 in England and Wales—Statements for 1996–97, laid under the Chronically Sick and Disabled Persons Act 1970;
2.1997 Birth Statistics for England and Wales, laid under the Registration Service Act 1953;
3.Second Report of the Parliamentary Commissioner for Administration: Selected cases April–October 1998, laid under the Parliamentary Commissioner Act 1967;
4.Report and Accounts for 1997–98 of the Qualifications, Curriculum and Assessment Authority for Wales, laid under the Education Act 1997;
5.Change 2 to the Regulations for the Naval and Marine Reserve (BR64), laid under the Reserve Forces Act 1996;
6.Report for 1997–98 of the Office of the Subsidence Adviser, laid under the Coal Industry Act 1994.

Public Business

14.Freedom of Information Bill [HL]—A bill to extend the right of access to information held by public authorities; and for connected purposes was presented by the Lord Lucas, read a first time and ordered to be printed. (HL Bill 10)
15. House of Lords’ Offices—It was moved by the Chairman of Committees that the Select Committee on the House of Lords’ Offices be appointed and that, as proposed by the Committee of Selection, the following Lords together with the Chairman of Committees be named of the Committee:
L. Brabazon of Tara
L. Brougham and Vaux
E. Caithness
L. Carter
L. Colwyn
B. Darcy de Knayth
L. Dean of Beswick
L. Dholakia
L. Dixon
L. Harris of Greenwich
L. Henley
B. Hilton of Eggardon
L. Hunt of Wirral
L. Irvine of Lairg (Lord Chancellor)
B. Jay of Paddington (Lord Privy Seal)
L. Mackay of Ardbrecknish
L. Marsh
B. Nicol
Bp. Oxford
L. Renfrew of Kaimsthorn
L. Rodgers of Quarry Bank
B. Seccombe
B. Serota
L. Strathclyde
B. Thomas of Walliswood
L. Tordoff
V. Ullswater
L. Weatherill
L. Williams of Mostyn;

the motion was agreed to.

16. Procedure of the House—It was moved by the Chairman of Committees that the Select Committee on Procedure of the House be appointed and that, as proposed by the Committee of Selection, the following Lords together with the Chairman of Committees be named of the Committee:

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B. Anelay of St. Johns
L. Browne-Wilkinson
L. Burlison
L. Burnham
E. Caithness
L. Carter
L. Denham
E. Ferrers
L. Gladwin of Clee
B. Gould of Potternewton
B. Hamwee
L. Harris of Greenwich
L. Henley
L. Irvine of Lairg (Lord Chancellor)
B. Jay of Paddington
(Lord Privy Seal)
L. Mackay of Ardbrecknish
L. Mackay of Clashfern
B. Rendell of Babergh
L. Rodgers of Quarry Bank
E. Shannon
L. Skelmersdale
L. Strabolgi
L. Strathclyde
L. Tordoff
L. Weatherill
L. Williams of Mostyn
B. Young;

the motion was agreed to.

17.Social Security Contributions (Transfer of Functions, etc.) Bill [HL]—It was moved by the Baroness Hollis of Heigham that the bill be now read a second time; after debate, the motion was agreed to and the bill was committed to a Committee of the Whole House.
18. Central America: hurricane—The Viscount Montgomery of Alamein asked Her Majesty’s Government what progress has been made towards alleviating the devastation caused by the recent hurricane in Central America; after debate, the question was answered by the Baroness Amos.

The House was adjourned at eighteen minutes past seven o’clock
to Monday next, half-past two o’clock.