House of Lords Journal 232 (Session 1998-99)

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Wednesday 25 November 1998

The House met at two o’clock.

The following Lords Spiritual and Temporal were present:

Irvine of Lairg, L.
(Lord Chancellor)

Aberdare, L.
Ackner, L.
Addington, L.
Addison, V.
Ahmed, L.
Ailesbury, M.
Ailsa, M.
Aldington, L.
Alexander of Tunis, E.
Allenby of Megiddo, V.
Alli, L.
Alton of Liverpool, L.
Amos, B.
Ampthill, L.
Annaly, L.
Annan, L.
Archer of Sandwell, L.
Ashbourne, L.
Ashley of Stoke, L.
Astor of Hever, L.
Attlee, E.
Bach, L.
Baker of Dorking, L.
Baldwin of Bewdley, E.
Balfour of Inchrye, L.
Banbury of Southam, L.
Barnett, L.
Bassam of Brighton, L.
Bath, M.
Beaumont of Whitley, L.
Belhaven and Stenton, L.
Bellwin, L.
Beloff, L.

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Berkeley, L.
Berners, B.
Bethell, L.
Biddulph, L.
Biffen, L.
Blaker, L.
Blatch, B.
Blease, L.
Bledisloe, V.
Blyth, L.
Boardman, L.
Borrie, L.
Boston of Faversham, L.
Bowness, L.
Brabazon of Tara, L.
Braine of Wheatley, L.
Brentford, V.
Bridgeman, V.
Bridges, L.
Brightman, L.
Bristol, Bp.
Broadbridge, L.
Brookeborough, V.
Brookman, L.
Brooks of Tremorfa, L.
Brougham and Vaux, L.
Bruce of Donington, L.
Bruntisfield, L.
Buckinghamshire, E.
Burlison, L.
Burnham, L.
Burns, L.
Buscombe, B.
Butler of Brockwell, L.
Butterworth, L.
Byford, B.
Cadman, L.
Caithness, E.
Callaghan of Cardiff, L.
Calverley, L.
Campbell of Alloway, L.
Campbell of Croy, L.
Carew, L.
Carlisle, E.
Carmichael of Kelvingrove, L.
Carnarvon, E.
Carnegy of Lour, B.
Carr of Hadley, L.
Carrick, E.
Carrington, L.
Carter, L.
Carver, L.
Cavendish of Furness, L.
Chadlington, L.
Chalfont, L.
Chapple, L.
Charteris of Amisfield, L.
Chelmsford, V.
Chesham, L.
Chorley, L.
Christopher, L.
Clancarty, E.
Clanwilliam, E.
Clark of Kempston, L.
Clarke of Hampstead, L.
Cledwyn of Penrhos, L.
Clement-Jones, L.
Clifford of Chudleigh, L.
Clinton-Davis, L.
Cockfield, L.
Cocks of Hartcliffe, L.
Coleraine, L.
Colwyn, L.
Cooke of Thorndon, L.
Cope of Berkeley, L.
Courtown, E.
Cowdrey of Tonbridge, L.
Cox, B.
Craig of Radley, L.
Craigavon, V.
Cranborne, V.
Crathorne, L.
Crawley, B.
Crickhowell, L.
Cromwell, L.
Cross, V.
Cuckney, L.
Cullen of Ashbourne, L.
Currie of Marylebone, L.
Darcy de Knayth, B.
David, B.
Davidson, V.
Davies of Coity, L.
Davies of Oldham, L.
Dean of Beswick, L.
Dean of Thornton-le-Fylde, B.
Denbigh, E.
Denham, L.
Denton of Wakefield, B.
Dholakia, L.
Dilhorne, V.
Dixon, L.
Dixon-Smith, L.
Donegall, M.
Donoughue, L.
Dormand of Easington, L.
Dundee, E.
Dunmore, E.
Eatwell, L.
Eden of Winton, L.
Elis-Thomas, L.
Ellenborough, L.
Elles, B.
Elliott of Morpeth, L.
Elton, L.
Enniskillen, E.
Erroll, E.
Evans of Parkside, L.
Exmouth, V.
Ezra, L.
Falkland, V.
Farrington of Ribbleton, B.
Ferrers, E.
Fitt, L.
Flather, B.
Flowers, L.
Fookes, B.
Fraser of Carmyllie, L.
Freyberg, L.
Gage, V.
Gainford, L.
Gainsborough, E.
Gardner of Parkes, B.
Garel-Jones, L.
Geraint, L.
Gibson, L.
Gillmore of Thamesfield, L.
Gilmour of Craigmillar, L.
Gisborough, L.
Gladwin of Clee, L.
Gladwyn, L.
Glanusk, L.
Glasgow, E.
Glenamara, L.
Glenarthur, L.
Glentoran, L.
Goodhart, L.
Goudie, B.
Gould of Potternewton, B.
Gowrie, E.
Graham of Edmonton, L.
Gray, L.
Gray of Contin, L.
Greenway, L.
Gregson, L.
Grey, E.
Hacking, L.
Haddington, E.
Haden-Guest, L.
Halsbury, E.
Hamilton of Dalzell, L.
Hampton, L.
Hanningfield, L.
Hanworth, V.
Hardie, L.
Harding of Petherton, L.
Hardinge of Penshurst, L.
Hardy of Wath, L.
Harlech, L.
Harmar-Nicholls, L.
Harmsworth, L.
Harris of Greenwich, L.
Harris of Haringey, L.
Harris of High Cross, L.
Haskel, L.
Hayhoe, L.
Hayman, B.
Headfort, M.
Healey, L.
Hemphill, L.
Henley, L.
Hereford, Bp.
Higgins, L.
Hilton of Eggardon, B.
Hoffmann, L.
Hogg of Cumbernauld, L.
Holderness, L.
Hollis of Heigham, B.
HolmPatrick, L.
Home, E.
Hope of Craighead, L.
Howe, E.
Howie of Troon, L.
Hoyle, L.
Hughes, L.
Hughes of Woodside, L.
Hunt of Kings Heath, L.
Hunt of Wirral, L.
Hylton, L.
Hylton-Foster, B.
Ilchester, E.
Inchyra, L.
Inglewood, L.
Ironside, L.
Iveagh, E.
Jacobs, L.
Janner of Braunstone, L.

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Jay of Paddington, B.
Jellicoe, E.
Jenkin of Roding, L.
Jenkins of Hillhead, L.
Jenkins of Putney, L.
Jopling, L.
Judd, L.
Kenilworth, L.
Kennet, L.
Kilbracken, L.
Kingsland, L.
Kinloss, Ly.
Kinnoull, E.
Kirkhill, L.
Knight of Collingtree, B.
Knollys, V.
Lamont of Lerwick, L.
Lang of Monkton, L.
Lauderdale, E.
Layton, L.
Leathers, V.
Leigh, L.
Lester of Herne Hill, L.
Levy, L.
Lewis of Newnham, L.
Lindsay, E.
Lindsey and Abingdon, E.
Listowel, E.
Lloyd of Berwick, L.
Lloyd-George of Dwyfor, E.
Lockwood, B.
Lofthouse of Pontefract, L.
Long, V.
Longford, E.
Lowry, L.
Lucas, L.
Lucas of Chilworth, L.
Ludford, B.
Luke, L.
Lyell, L.
Lytton, E.
McAlpine of West Green, L.
Macclesfield, E.
McIntosh of Haringey, L.
Mackay of Ardbrecknish, L.
Mackay of Drumadoon, L.
Mackenzie of Framwellgate, L.
Mackie of Benshie, L.
Macleod of Borve, B.
McNair, L.
McNally, L.
Maddock, B.
Mancroft, L.
Mar, C.
Mar and Kellie, E.
Marlesford, L.
Marsh, L.
Masham of Ilton, B.
Mason of Barnsley, L.
Massereene and Ferrard, V.
Mayhew of Twysden, L.
Merlyn-Rees, L.
Mersey, V.
Meston, L.
Miller of Chilthorne Domer, B.
Miller of Hendon, B.
Millett, L.
Milner of Leeds, L.
Milverton, L.
Molloy, L.
Molyneaux of Killead, L.
Monkswell, L.
Monro of Langholm, L.
Monson, L.
Montagu of Beaulieu, L.
Montague of Oxford, L.
Monteagle of Brandon, L.
Montgomery of Alamein, V.
Moore of Wolvercote, L.
Moran, L.
Morris of Castle Morris, L.
Morris of Manchester, L.
Mottistone, L.
Mountevans, L.
Mountgarret, V.
Moyne, L.
Munster, E.
Murray of Epping Forest, L.
Napier and Ettrick, L.
Naseby, L.
Nathan, L.
Nelson, E.
Newall, L.
Newby, L.
Newton of Braintree, L.
Nicholls of Birkenhead, L.
Nicol, B.
Noel-Buxton, L.
Norrie, L.
Northbourne, L.
Northesk, E.
Norton, L.
Norton of Louth, L.
Nunburnholme, L.
Ogmore, L.
Oliver of Aylmerton, L.
Onslow, E.
Oxfuird, V.
Palmer, L.
Park of Monmouth, B.
Paul, L.
Pearson of Rannoch, L.
Peel, E.
Pender, L.
Perry of Walton, L.
Perth, E.
Peston, L.
Peyton of Yeovil, L.
Phillips of Sudbury, L.
Pilkington of Oxenford, L.
Pitkeathley, B.
Plant of Highfield, L.
Platt of Writtle, B.
Plummer of St. Marylebone, L.
Ponsonby of Shulbrede, L.
Prys-Davies, L.
Quinton, L.
Quirk, L.
Ramsay of Cartvale, B.
Randall of St. Budeaux, L.
Rankeillour, L.
Rathcavan, L.
Rawlings, B.
Razzall, L.
Rea, L.
Reay, L.
Redesdale, L.
Rees, L.
Rendell of Babergh, B.
Rennell, L.
Renton, L.
Renton of Mount Harry, L.
Renwick, L.
Richard, L.
Rix, L.
Roberts of Conwy, L.
Robertson of Oakridge, L.
Rodgers of Quarry Bank, L.
Roll of Ipsden, L.
Romney, E.
Rotherwick, L.
Rowallan, L.
Russell, E.
Ryder of Warsaw, B.
Ryder of Wensum, L.
St. John of Bletso, L.
St. John of Fawsley, L.
Saint Levan, L.
Saltoun of Abernethy, Ly.
Sandberg, L.
Sandwich, E.
Savile, L.
Sawyer, L.
Seccombe, B.
Sefton of Garston, L.
Selkirk of Douglas, L.
Sempill, L.
Shannon, E.
Sharp of Guildford, B.
Shaughnessy, L.
Shepherd, L.
Shore of Stepney, L.
Shrewsbury, E.
Simon, V.
Simon of Glaisdale, L.
Skelmersdale, L.
Skidelsky, L.
Slim, V.
Slynn of Hadley, L.
Smith of Clifton, L.
Smith of Gilmorehill, B.
Soper, L.
Soulsby of Swaffham Prior, L.
Southwark, Bp.
Stallard, L.
Stanley of Alderley, L.
Stewartby, L.
Stodart of Leaston, L.
Stoddart of Swindon, L.
Strabolgi, L.
Strafford, E.
Strange, B.
Strathclyde, L.
Sudeley, L.
Swansea, L.
Swinfen, L.
Symons of Vernham Dean, B.
Tanlaw, L.
Taverne, L.
Taylor of Blackburn, L.
Taylor of Gryfe, L.
Teviot, L.
Thomas of Walliswood, B.
Thomson of Monifieth, L.
Tope, L.
Tordoff, L.
Torrington, V.

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Trefgarne, L.
Trumpington, B.
Turner of Camden, B.
Uddin, B.
Vivian, L.
Waddington, L.
Wakeham, L.
Walker of Doncaster, L.
Wallace of Coslany, L.
Wallace of Saltaire, L.
Walpole, L.
Walton of Detchant, L.
Warner, L.
Warnock, B.
Watson of Invergowrie, L.
Waverley, V.
Weatherill, L.
Weidenfeld, L.
Weinstock, L.
Westbury, L.
Wharton, B.
Whitelaw, V.
Whitty, L.
Wigoder, L.
Wilberforce, L.
Wilcox, B.
Williams of Elvel, L.
Williams of Mostyn, L.
Winchilsea and Nottingham, E.
Wise, L.
Wright of Richmond, L.
Young, B.
Young of Old Scone, B.

PRAYERS were read by the Lord Bishop of Bristol.

Judicial Business

1. Regina v. Bartle and the Commissioner of Police for the Metropolis and others (Appellants) ex parte Pinochet (Respondent) (On Appeal from a Divisional Court of the Queen’s Bench Division)—
2.Regina v. Evans and another and the Commissioner of Police for the Metropolis and others (Appellants) ex parte Pinochet (Respondent) (On Appeal from a Divisional Court of the Queen’s Bench Division)—

The Report from the Appellate Committee was agreed to; it was ordered and adjudged that the Order of the Divisional Court of 28th October 1998 relating to the decision of Mr Evans sitting at Bow Street Magistrates’ Court on 16th October 1998 to issue a provisional warrant for the arrest of the respondent, be affirmed save as to costs; that the Order of the Divisional Court of 28th October 1998 relating to the decision of Mr Bartle sitting in the same court on 22nd October 1998 to issue a further provisional warrant for the arrest of the respondent, be set aside; that the said decision of Mr Bartle be restored and that the warrant be not quashed; and that the respondent do pay to the appellants their costs in the Divisional Court and in this House, the amount of such last-mentioned costs to be certified by the Clerk of the Parliaments if not agreed between the parties.

3.W 1-6 (A.P.) (Respondents) v. Essex County Council and another (Appellants)—The petition of the appellants praying that the time for lodging the statement and appendix and setting down the cause for hearing might be extended until two weeks after the determination of the appeal Barrett (A.P.) (Appellant) v. London Borough of Enfield (Respondents) (the agents for the respondents consenting thereto) was presented; and it was ordered as prayed.

The House was adjourned during pleasure.

The House was resumed.


4.Command Papers—The following papers were presented to the House by command of Her Majesty and ordered to lie on the Table:
1.Hong Kong—Government Response to the 3rd Report of the House of Commons Foreign Affairs Committee, Session 1997–98, on Hong Kong;
2.Immigration—Government Response to the 4th Report of the House of Commons Foreign Affairs Committee, Session 1997–98, on Entry Clearance Operations with Particular Reference to Islamabad and New Delhi;
3.Visas—Exchange of Notes between the United Kingdom and Armenia terminating the Exchange of Notes between the United Kingdom and the USSR concerning the Mutual Abolition of Consular Fees on Visas;
4.Marine Safety—1996 Amendments to the International Convention for the Safety of Life at Sea, 1974;
5.Shipping—1996 Amendments to the International Code for the Construction and Equipment of Ships Carrying Liquefied Gases in Bulk;
6.Milk Marketing—Minute setting out the background to the indemnity in respect of members of the Residuary Milk Marketing Board for Northern Ireland.
5.Affirmative Instruments—The following instruments were laid before the House for approval by resolution and ordered to lie on the Table:
1.Town and Country Planning (Minerals) (Scotland) Regulations 1998;
2.Town and Country Planning (Compensation for Restrictions on Mineral Working and Mineral Waste depositing) (Scotland) Regulations 1998.
6.Negative Instruments—The following instruments were laid before the House and ordered to lie on the Table:

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1.Scottish Further Education Funding Council (Establishment) (Scotland) Order 1998, laid under the Further and Higher Education (Scotland) Act 1992;
2.Merchant Shipping and Fishing Vessels (Manual Handling Operations) Regulations 1998, laid under the Merchant Shipping Act 1995;
3.Local Government Act 1988 (Defined Activities) (Exemption) (Christchurch Borough Council and Purbeck District Council) Order 1998, laid under the Local Government Act 1988;
4. (i)Legal Advice and Assistance (Amendment) (No. 3) Regulations 1998—(2907)
(ii)Legal Aid in Criminal and Care Proceedings (Costs) (Amendment) (No. 3) Regulations 1998—(2908)
(iii)Legal Aid in Criminal and Care Proceedings (General) (Amendment) (No. 2) Regulations 1998—(2909)
laid under the Legal Aid Act 1988;
5.Civil Courts (Amendment) (No. 2) Order 1998, laid under the County Courts Act 1984;


6.Social Security (Contributions) Amendment (No. 5) Regulations 1998, laid under the Social Security Contributions and Benefits Act 1992;
7.School Standards and Framework Act 1998 (Allowances for Governors and Individual Pupil Information) (Modification) Regulations 1998, laid under the School Standards and Framework Act 1998.
7.Papers not subject to parliamentary proceedings—The following papers were laid before the House and ordered to lie on the Table:
1.Accounts for 1997–98 of the Independent Commission for Police Complaints for Northern Ireland, together with the Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General, laid under the Police (Northern Ireland) Order 1987;
2.Accounts for 1997–98 of the National Museum of Wales, together with the Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General, laid under the Museums and Galleries Act 1992;
3.Report of the Health Service Commissioner, laid under the Health Service Commissioners Act 1993;
4.Report of the Parliamentary Commissioner for Administration, laid under the Parliamentary Commissioner Act 1967;
5.Report for 1993–98 of the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry on Consumer Safety, laid under the Consumer Protection Act 1987;
6.Report and Accounts for 1997–98 of the Home–Grown Cereals Authority, laid under the Cereals Marketing Act 1965;
7.Report and Accounts for 1997–98 of English Heritage, laid under the National Heritage Act 1983.

Public Business

8.Social Security Contributions (Transfer of Functions, etc.) Bill [HL]—A bill to transfer from the Secretary of State to the Commissioners of Inland Revenue or the Treasury certain functions relating to national insurance contributions, the National Insurance Fund, statutory sick pay, statutory maternity pay or pension schemes and certain associated functions relating to benefits; to make further provision, in connection with the functions transferred, as to the powers of the Commissioners of Inland Revenue, the making of decisions and appeals; to provide that rebates payable in respect of members of money purchase contracted-out pension schemes are to be payable out of the National Insurance Fund; and for connected purposes was presented by the Baroness Hollis of Heigham, read a first time and ordered to be printed. (HL Bill 1)
9.Social Security Contributions (Transfer of Functions, etc.) Bill [HL]—It was ordered that the Explanatory Notes relating to the bill be printed. (HL Bill 1–EN)
10.Commonwealth Development Corporation Bill [HL]—A bill to make provision about the Commonwealth Development Corporation was presented by the Lord McIntosh of Haringey, read a first time and ordered to be printed. (HL Bill 2)
11.Commonwealth Development Corporation Bill [HL]—It was ordered that the Explanatory Notes relating to the bill be printed. (HL Bill 2–EN)
12.The Queen’s Speech—The debate on the Motion that an Humble Address be presented to Her Majesty was resumed and, after further debate, was again adjourned till tomorrow.

The House was adjourned at six minutes past ten o’clock
till tomorrow, three o’clock.