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Lord Whitty moved Amendment No. 485A:


Page 130, line 23, at end insert--
(“( ) the words “in their area" shall be omitted; and").

The noble Lord said: My Lords, in moving the amendment I speak also to Amendments Nos. 487A to 487C, and 576A. This group of amendments arises largely out of representations made by the Transport Committee for London which represents all the London boroughs. It asked us to amend the Bill so that when TfL changes the operating cycle of traffic lights which are on borough roads, or installs new traffic lights on borough roads, there will be a clear requirement to consult the relevant borough council. I am pleased to be able to oblige both representations from the boroughs. I commend the amendment to the House. I beg to move.

On Question, amendment agreed to.

[Amendment No. 486 not moved.]

Clause 235 [Transfer of London Traffic Control System to Transport for London]:

Lord Whitty moved Amendment No. 486A:


Page 132, line 19, at end insert--
(“( ) Any reference in this section to a GLA road includes a reference to a GLA side road.").

On Question, amendment agreed to.

Clause 236 [London borough councils and the London traffic control system]:

[Amendment No. 487 not moved.]

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Lord Whitty moved Amendment No. 487A:


Page 133, line 4, at end insert--
(“(5A) Before Transport for London--
(a) changes the operating cycle, or the timing of the operating cycle, of any traffic light installations provided on a road in Greater London which is neither a GLA road nor a trunk road, or
(b) provides new traffic light installations for such a road,
Transport for London shall consult the council of the London borough in which the installations are or are to be provided.").

On Question, amendment agreed to.

Lord Whitty moved Amendment No. 487B:


Page 133, line 10, at end insert (“ or
(b) by a scheme under subsection (1) or (3) of section 74B of this Act transferring functions of the Secretary of State to Transport for London;").

On Question, amendment agreed to.

Clause 238 [Traffic authority for certain traffic signs in Greater London]:

Lord Whitty moved Amendment No. 487C:


Page 134, line 18, leave out from (“of") to end of line 19 and insert (“sections 65, 73, 74, 74A, 74B and 75 of this Act.").

On Question, amendment agreed to.

[Amendment No. 488 not moved.]

Clause 241 [Designation of paying parking places on highways]:

Lord Whitty moved Amendment No. 488A:


Page 137, leave out lines 10 and 11.

On Question, amendment agreed to.

Clause 242 [Financial provisions relating to parking places on the highway]:

Lord Whitty moved Amendment No. 489:


Page 138, line 11, leave out (“ 71(2)(c)") and insert (“ 71(4)(c)").

On Question, amendment agreed to.

[Amendment No. 490 not moved.]

Clause 245 [Special parking areas]:

[Amendment No. 491 not moved.]

Clause 247 [Interpretation of parking provisions]:

Lord Whitty moved Amendment No. 491A:


Page 142, line 25, at end insert--
(“““GLA side road" has the same meaning as in the Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984 (see sections 124A(9) and section 142(1) of that Act;";").

On Question, amendment agreed to.

Lord Whitty moved Amendment No. 491B:


Page 142, line 40, at end insert--
(“(1C) In this Part of this Act, any reference to a GLA road includes a reference to a GLA side road."").

On Question, amendment agreed to.

Clause 251 [London borough council affecting another authority's roads]:

[Amendments Nos. 492 and 493 not moved.]

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Clause 252 [Interpretation of the Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984]:

Lord Whitty moved Amendment No. 493A:


Page 146, line 10, after (“road"") insert (“(subject to subsection (4) below)").

On Question, amendment agreed to.

Lord Whitty moved Amendment No. 493B:


Page 146, line 11, at end insert--
(“““GLA side road" shall be construed in accordance with section 124A(9) of this Act;";").

On Question, amendment agreed to.

Lord Whitty moved Amendment No. 493C:


Page 146, line 13, at end insert--
(“( ) At the end of section 142 there shall be added--
“(4) Any reference in this Act to a GLA road includes a reference to a GLA side road."").

On Question, amendment agreed to.

Lord Whitty moved Amendment No. 493D:


After Clause 252, insert the following new clause--

CONSULTATION BY SECRETARY OF STATE AND TRAFFIC AUTHORITY OVER CERTAIN PROPOSALS FOR ROYAL PARKS OR HIGHWAYS

(“ . After section 132 of the Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984 there shall be inserted--
Royal Parks or highways in London affected by proposals relating to the other.
132AA.--(1) The Secretary of State shall not exercise any of his functions in relation to the management of roads or traffic in a Royal Park in such a way as to affect a highway in Greater London unless he has consulted--
(a) the traffic authority for the highway, and
(b) Transport for London,
about the exercise of those functions in that way.
(2) The duty imposed by subsection (1) shall not apply if it would not be reasonably practicable for the Secretary of State to consult the traffic authority or Transport for London before exercising functions; but, in such a case, as soon as practicable after so exercising functions the Secretary of State shall inform the traffic authority and Transport for London that those functions have been so exercised.
(3) A traffic authority shall not exercise any of its functions in relation to a highway in Greater London in such a way as to affect a Royal Park unless it has consulted the Secretary of State about the exercise of those functions in that way.
(4) The duty imposed by subsection (3) shall not apply if it would not be reasonably practicable for the traffic authority to consult the Secretary of State before exercising functions; but, in such a case, as soon as practicable after so exercising functions the highway authority shall inform the Secretary of State that those functions have been so exercised.
(5) In this section “Royal Park" means any park to which the Parks Regulation Act 1872 applies (see sections 1 and 3 of the Parks Regulation (Amendment) Act 1926)".").

On Question, amendment agreed to.

Clause 253 [Repeal of certain enactments]:

Lord Whitty moved Amendment No. 493E:


Page 147, line 8, at end insert--
(“( ) Any reference in this section to a GLA road includes a reference to a GLA side road.").

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On Question, amendment agreed to.

Clause 254 [Road user charging]:

Baroness Thomas of Walliswood moved Amendment No. 494:


Page 147, line 16, at end insert--
(“( ) The net proceeds from each scheme established under subsection (1) above shall, during the scheme's initial period as defined by paragraph 16 of Schedule 18, be applied solely for the purpose of implementing the Mayor's transport strategy.").

The noble Baroness said: My Lords, in moving the amendment I speak also to Amendments Nos. 509, 501 to 507, and 516 to 522. The arguments surrounding these amendments were well rehearsed in Committee. Amendment No. 494 would put on the face of the Bill, first, a statement that as regards road user charging:


    “The net proceeds from each scheme established under [the subsection] shall, during the scheme's initial period as defined by paragraph 16 of Schedule 18, be applied solely for the purpose of implementing the Mayor's transport strategy".

Amendments Nos. 501 to 507 amend Schedule 18 in order to lengthen the time during which that hypothecation shall last in the case of each scheme established during the initial period after the creation of the GLA. Amendments Nos. 509 and 516 to 522 amend Clause 255 and Schedule 19.

The objective is, first, to put hypothecation firmly on the face of the Bill, and, secondly, to lengthen the time for each scheme during which that hypothecation will be required. I beg to move.

Earl Attlee: My Lords, these are some of the most significant amendments in this part of the Bill. Amendments in the name of my noble friend Lord Brabazon of Tara deal with similar issues.

No doubt the Secretary of State is proud of his achievements in getting the Treasury to accept hypothecation. I do not wish to weary your Lordships with a Second Reading speech. However, my fear is that the new taxes will simply force the less well off to use public transport while allowing the more affluent to take up the spare capacity so created.

Londoners will not expect us to allow congestion charges to go the same way as the road fund licence scheme, which is now known as vehicle excise duty and is an important revenue scheme for central government. Sadly, vital road safety and capacity improvements remain to be started. The public transport system in London is woefully short of capacity at the ever extending peak period. For instance, at Victoria Station this morning there were hardly any spare places on the downward escalator. In other words, it physically cannot move any more passengers. As an aside, I was extremely disappointed that nowhere on the station concourse was I able to find a ticket machine which would take notes.

Part of the solution to the problem of transport in London will be buses and investment in the Underground. It is important to understand that the time required to construct new rail facilities is considerable and the payback period may stretch into

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decades. Unfortunately, the Government's hypothecation runs only to one decade. That is simply not good enough.

The noble Baroness, Lady Thomas of Walliswood, offered one possible and attractive solution to the problem. My noble friend Lord Dixon-Smith will shortly be proposing another. The House might not be in a mood to decide this issue tonight, but we must reach a conclusion on Third Reading. The two amendments are not necessarily mutually exclusive and our debate tonight will better inform us in our decision making. The Minister may even be able to make a helpful suggestion himself.


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