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Lord Donoughue: My Lords, I thank the noble Lord for what he said about my noble friend Lord Sainsbury. I agree absolutely. My noble friend is a man of total honour and integrity. He has met all the rules. I find absolutely ludicrous the idea that someone who knows something about a subject should therefore be disqualified from involvement in it.

I agree with the noble Lord's wider points. We as a government have from the beginning been concerned about the long-term implications of genetic modification.

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With regard to foods, there is a rigorous system for approval. Existing GM foods were approved under the previous administration. On the environmental side, in agreement with the industry we have established that there will be managed trials to assess and analyse the implications of growing such crops. There is no arrangement for their commercial development. There has been no U-turn from that to a different arrangement. There will be field trials. When we have evidence from those trials, we shall judge whether it is safe for such crops to be commercially developed. I think that that is a proper and responsible approach. I agree with the noble Lord that we need a measured and balanced discussion of this and not the scaremongering and hysteria that have been prevalent--and not only in the tabloid press.

Lord Moran: My Lords, does the Minister agree that it is desirable that a substantial part of the research in this area in this country should be conducted by government scientists and that too much of it should not be left to commercial firms which clearly have as their first interest the making of a profit?

Lord Donoughue: My Lords, research is conducted both publicly and by private firms. It is conducted internationally, in Europe and in this country. Where such research is conducted by commercial firms, it is then subject to proper scientific peer scrutiny by the Government's advisory bodies. The Government conduct research themselves. We have an extensive programme, with nine projects currently under way on the safety of genetically modified foods. We are also conducting three projects on the environmental side. The Department of the Environment, Transport and the Regions also sponsors many more projects in that area.

Lord Clinton-Davis: My Lords, is my noble friend aware that many noble Lords, on all sides of the House, will welcome what has been said about the probity of my noble friend Lord Sainsbury? Will my noble friend the Minister indicate what ideas the Government have about creating the machinery for a sensible, rational, comprehensive and comprehensible debate about this very vexed issue, as there can be no doubt that many members of the public are very sceptical about such developments?

Lord Donoughue: My Lords, I thank my noble friend for what he said about my noble friend Lord Sainsbury. We are very much in favour of having a proper debate on this matter, with the maximum input. A wide range of specialisms are involved in our advisory bodies, as are members of the general public as consumers. We can also have debates in Parliament. Perhaps I may refer to the excellent report by your Lordships' Select Committee on which we shall certainly have a debate. I advise both the media and certain political dimensions to read that report and the evidence that was given to the Select Committee, because that is the basis for the beginning of an excellent and balanced discussion.

Baroness Cumberlege: My Lords, can the Minister please tell us, first, on what grounds the Government have

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rejected the recommendations of English Nature and, secondly, why they have suppressed the report from the DETR? Will the noble Lord agree to that report being published so that there can be maximum discussion?

Lord Donoughue: My Lords, on the second question, I do not know on what information the noble Baroness is suggesting that we have suppressed the report. We have not suppressed any report. If the noble Baroness based what she said on reports in the tabloid press, I advise her to remember her own experience in government and to double-check. That report has been made available and is under discussion. In fact, it was discussed today. The report, and the reactions to it, will be published at an appropriate time.

Lord Taverne: My Lords, will the Minister assure us that nothing will be done by the Government to prevent the development of genetic crops, rigorously tested, which can do a great deal to reduce reliance on chemicals and pesticides?

Lord Donoughue: My Lords, if the noble Lord reads the evidence and the report of the Select Committee, he will see that the case is made there--it is a strong case--for properly regulated and scrutinised scientific development. Our first priorities are public health and the health of the environment. We shall attempt to balance those two priorities. That is exactly what we are doing.

Baroness Uddin: My Lords, will my noble friend the Minister give some consideration to ensuring that any government information produced by this Government is translated into languages other than English, given the complexity of the issues before us?

Lord Donoughue: My Lords, I thank my noble friend for that question. She makes an excellent point. I do not know in how many languages statements are printed. However, I shall certainly suggest to the department that we take seriously what she has proposed.

Baroness Miller of Hendon: My Lords, given that, rightly or wrongly, there is grave concern, and indeed possible loss of confidence in genetically modified foods, will the Minister tell the House whether the Government will accept the suggestion of his right honourable friend Michael Meacher that there should be set up an independent, ethical commission to regulate the development of genetically modified foods, rather in the way of the Human Fertilisation and Embryology Authority?

Lord Donoughue: My Lords, if that was proposed by the right honourable Member who has been mentioned,

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I am sure that it will be taken seriously by the Government of which he is a member.

Baroness Ludford: My Lords--

Noble Lords: Time!

Easter Act 1928 (Commencement) Bill [H.L.]

3.32 p.m.

The Earl of Dartmouth: My Lords, I beg to introduce a Bill to bring into force the Easter Act 1928. I beg to move that this Bill be now read a first time.

Moved, That the Bill be now read a first time.-- (The Earl of Dartmouth.)

On Question, Bill read a first time, and to be printed.

London Local Authorities Bill [H.L.]

Read a third time, and passed, and sent to the Commons.

Baxi Partnership Limited Trusts Bill [H.L.]

The Chairman of Committees (Lord Boston of Faversham): My Lords, I beg to move that this Bill be now read a second time.

Moved, That the Bill be now read a second time.-- (The Chairman of Committees.)

On Question, Bill read a second time, and referred to the Examiners.

City of Newcastle upon Tyne Bill [H.L.]

The Chairman of Committees: My Lords, I beg to move that this Bill be now read a second time.

Moved, That the Bill be now read a second time.-- (The Chairman of Committees.)

On Question, Bill read a second time, and committed to a Select Committee.

Kent County Council Bill [H.L.]

The Chairman of Committees: My Lords, I beg to move that this Bill be now read a second time.

Moved, That the Bill be now read a second time.-- (The Chairman of Committees.)

On Question, Bill read a second time, and committed to a Select Committee.

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Medway Council Bill [H.L.]

The Chairman of Committees: My Lords, I beg to move that this Bill be now read a second time.

Moved, That the Bill be now read a second time.--(The Chairman of Committees.)

On Question, Bill read a second time, and committed to an Unopposed Bill Committee.

United Reformed Church Bill [H.L.]

The Chairman of Committees: My Lords, I beg to move that this Bill be now read a second time.

Moved, That the Bill be now read a second time.--(The Chairman of Committees.)

On Question, Bill read a second time, and referred to the Examiners.

Health Bill [H.L.]

The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, Department of Health (Baroness Hayman): My Lords, I beg to move the Motion standing in my name on the Order Paper.

Moved, That it be an instruction to the Committee of the Whole House to whom the Health Bill [H.L.] has been committed that they consider the Bill in the following order:

Clauses 1 and 2, Schedule 1, Clauses 3 to 14, Schedule 2, Clauses 15 to 47, Schedule 3, Clauses 48 to 50, Schedules 4 and 5, Clauses 51 to 54.--(Baroness Hayman.)

On Question, Motion agreed to.

Road Traffic (NHS Charges) Bill

3.34 p.m.

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath: My Lords, I beg to move that the House do now resolve itself into Committee on this Bill.

Moved, That the House do now resolve itself into Committee.--(Lord Hunt of Kings Heath.)

On Question, Motion agreed to.

House in Committee accordingly.

[The CHAIRMAN OF COMMITTEES in the Chair.]

Clause 1 [Payment for hospital treatment of traffic casualties]:


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