House of Lords Journal 231 (Session 1997-98)

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Thursday 12 March 1998

The House met at two o’clock.

The following Lords Spiritual and Temporal were present:

Irvine of Lairg, L.
(Lord Chancellor)

Aberdare, L.
Abinger, L.
Ackner, L.
Acton, L.
Addington, L.
Addison, V.
Ailesbury, M.
Ailsa, M.
Alexander of Tunis, E.
Allen of Abbeydale, L.
Allenby of Megiddo, V.
Alton of Liverpool, L.
Amos, B.
Ampthill, L.
Anelay of St. Johns, B.
Annaly, L.
Annan, L.
Archer of Sandwell, L.
Archer of Weston-Super-Mare, L.
Ashbourne, L.
Ashley of Stoke, L.
Astor of Hever, L.
Avebury, L.
Baker of Dorking, L.
Baldwin of Bewdley, E.
Barnett, L.
Bassam of Brighton, L.
Bath, M.
Beaumont of Whitley, L.
Beaverbrook, L.
Belhaven and Stenton, L.
Beloff, L.
Berkeley, L.
Biddulph, L.
Biffen, L.
Birdwood, L.
Blake, L.
Blaker, L.
Blatch, B.
Blease, L.
Blyth, L.
Boardman, L.
Borrie, L.
Boston of Faversham, L.
Bowness, L.
Brabazon of Tara, L.
Braine of Wheatley, L.
Bramall, L.
Brentford, V.
Brightman, L.
Brigstocke, B.
Brooke of Alverthorpe, L.
Brookeborough, V.
Brooks of Tremorfa, L.
Brougham and Vaux, L.
Bruce of Donington, L.
Burlison, L.
Burnham, L.
Butterworth, L.
Byford, B.
Cadman, L.
Caithness, E.
Caldecote, V.
Calverley, L.
Campbell of Alloway, L.
Campbell of Croy, L.
Carew, L.
Carlisle, E.
Carmichael of Kelvingrove, L.
Carnegy of Lour, B.
Carnock, L.
Carr of Hadley, L.
Carter, L.
Chalfont, L.
Charteris of Amisfield, L.
Chelmsford, V.
Chesham, L.
Chorley, L.
Clancarty, E.
Clanwilliam, E.
Cledwyn of Penrhos, L.
Cocks of Hartcliffe, L.
Coleraine, L.
Coleridge, L.
Colville of Culross, V.
Colwyn, L.
Constantine of Stanmore, L.
Cope of Berkeley, L.
Courtown, E.
Craigavon, V.
Cranborne, V.
Crathorne, L.
Crickhowell, L.
Cross, V.
Cuckney, L.
Cullen of Ashbourne, L.
Currie of Marylebone, L.
Darcy de Knayth, B.
David, B.
Davidson, V.
Davies of Coity, L.
Davies of Oldham, L.
De Freyne, L.
Dean of Beswick, L.
Dean of Harptree, L.
Denbigh, E.
Denham, L.
Denton of Wakefield, B.
Derwent, L.
Desai, L.
Devonport, V.
Dholakia, L.
Dilhorne, V.
Dixon-Smith, L.
Donoughue, L.
Dormand of Easington, L.
Dowding, L.
Dubs, L.
Dundee, E.
Dundonald, E.
Eccles of Moulton, B.
Effingham, E.
Elis-Thomas, L.
Elles, B.
Elliott of Morpeth, L.
Elton, L.
Erne, E.
Erroll, E.
Evans of Parkside, L.
Exmouth, V.
Ezra, L.
Falkland, V.
Farrington of Ribbleton, B.
Fitt, L.
Flather, B.
Flowers, L.
Fookes, B.
Forbes, L.
Fraser of Carmyllie, L.
Freyberg, L.
Gainford, L.
Gallacher, L.
Gardner of Parkes, B.
Geraint, L.
Gilbert, L.
Gisborough, L.
Gladwin of Clee, L.
Glenamara, L.
Glenarthur, L.
Glentoran, L.
Goodhart, L.
Gordon of Strathblane, L.
Graham of Edmonton, L.
Grantley, L.
Gray of Contin, L.
Greenway, L.

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Grenfell, L.
Grey, E.
Halsbury, E.
Hankey, L.
Hanworth, V.
Hardie, L.
Harding of Petherton, L.
Hardwicke, E.
Hardy of Wath, L.
Harmar-Nicholls, L.
Harris of Greenwich, L.
Haskel, L.
Hattersley, L.
Hayhoe, L.
Hayman, B.
Hayter, L.
Healey, L.
Hemphill, L.
Henderson of Brompton, L.
Henley, L.
Higgins, L.
Hilton of Eggardon, B.
Hogg of Cumbernauld, L.
Holderness, L.
Hollick, L.
HolmPatrick, L.
Hooper, B.
Hooson, L.
Howe, E.
Howell, L.
Howell of Guildford, L.
Howie of Troon, L.
Hoyle, L.
Hughes, L.
Hughes of Woodside, L.
Hunt of Kings Heath, L.
Hussey of North Bradley, L.
Hutchinson of Lullington, L.
Hylton, L.
Hylton-Foster, B.
Ilchester, E.
Inglewood, L.
Islwyn, L.
Iveagh, E.
Jacobs, L.
Janner of Braunstone, L.
Jeger, B.
Jenkin of Roding, L.
Jenkins of Putney, L.
Kenilworth, L.
Kennedy of The Shaws, B.
Kennet, L.
Kilbracken, L.
Kilmarnock, L.
Kimball, L.
Kingsland, L.
Kinloss, Ly.
Kinnoull, E.
Kintore, E.
Kitchener, E.
Knight of Collingtree, B.
Lang of Monkton, L.
Lauderdale, E.
Lawrence, L.
Layton, L.
Leathers, V.
Leigh, L.
Lester of Herne Hill, L.
Levy, L.
Lewin, L.
Liverpool, E.
Lloyd-George of Dwyfor, E.
Lofthouse of Pontefract, L.
Long, V.
Longford, E.
Lucas, L.
Lucas of Chilworth, L.
Luke, L.
Lyell, L.
McAlpine of West Green, L.
McConnell, L.
McIntosh of Haringey, L.
Mackay of Ardbrecknish, L.
Mackie of Benshie, L.
Macleod of Borve, B.
McNair, L.
Maddock, B.
Mallalieu, B.
Mar, C.
Mar and Kellie, E.
Marlesford, L.
Marsh, L.
Masham of Ilton, B.
Mason of Barnsley, L.
Massereene and Ferrard, V.
Mayhew of Twysden, L.
Merlyn-Rees, L.
Merrivale, L.
Mersey, V.
Meston, L.
Methuen, L.
Miller of Hendon, B.
Milner of Leeds, L.
Milverton, L.
Mishcon, L.
Molloy, L.
Molyneaux of Killead, L.
Monkswell, L.
Monro of Langholm, L.
Monson, L.
Montague of Oxford, L.
Montgomery of Alamein, V.
Moore of Wolvercote, L.
Moran, L.
Mottistone, L.
Mountevans, L.
Moyne, L.
Moynihan, L.
Munster, E.
Murray of Epping Forest, L.
Murton of Lindisfarne, L.
Nelson, E.
Newby, L.
Newton of Braintree, L.
Nicholson of Winterbourne, B.
Nicol, B.
Noel-Buxton, L.
Norfolk, D.
Northbourne, L.
Northesk, E.
Norton, L.
Orr-Ewing, L.
Oxfuird, V.
Park of Monmouth, B.
Patten, L.
Paul, L.
Pearson of Rannoch, L.
Peel, E.
Pender, L.
Perry of Walton, L.
Peston, L.
Pike, B.
Pilkington of Oxenford, L.
Pitkeathley, B.
Plant of Highfield, L.
Platt of Writtle, B.
Plummer of St. Marylebone, L.
Porter of Luddenham, L.
Prior, L.
Prys-Davies, L.
Puttnam, L.
Pym, L.
Quinton, L.
Quirk, L.
Ramsay of Cartvale, B.
Randall of St. Budeaux, L.
Rankeillour, L.
Rathcavan, L.
Rawlings, B.
Razzall, L.
Rea, L.
Redesdale, L.
Rendell of Babergh, B.
Rennell, L.
Renton, L.
Renton of Mount Harry, L.
Renwick, L.
Renwick of Clifton, L.
Richard, L.
Ripon, Bp.
Roberts of Conwy, L.
Rodgers of Quarry Bank, L.
Rogers of Riverside, L.
Rotherwick, L.
Russell, E.
Ryder of Warsaw, B.
Ryder of Wensum, L.
Sainsbury, L.
St. John of Bletso, L.
St. John of Fawsley, L.
Saltoun of Abernethy, Ly.
Sandwich, E.
Sandys, L.
Savile, L.
Saville of Newdigate, L.
Seafield, E.
Seccombe, B.
Sefton of Garston, L.
Selborne, E.
Sempill, L.
Serota, B.
Shannon, E.
Shaughnessy, L.
Shaw of Northstead, L.
Shepherd, L.
Shore of Stepney, L.
Shuttleworth, L.
Simon, V.
Simon of Glaisdale, L.
Smith of Gilmorehill, B.
Soulsby of Swaffham Prior, L.
Southwell, Bp.
Stafford, L.
Stallard, L.
Stewartby, L.
Stockton, E.
Stoddart of Swindon, L.

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Stone of Blackheath, L.
Strabolgi, L.
Strafford, E.
Strange, B.
Strathcarron, L.
Strathclyde, L.
Strathcona and Mount Royal, L.
Sudeley, L.
Suffolk and Berkshire, E.
Swansea, L.
Swinfen, L.
Symons of Vernham Dean, B.
Taverne, L.
Taylor of Blackburn, L.
Teviot, L.
Teynham, L.
Thomas of Gwydir, L.
Thomas of Macclesfield, L.
Thomas of Swynnerton, L.
Thomas of Walliswood, B.
Thomson of Monifieth, L.
Thurlow, L.
Tordoff, L.
Trefgarne, L.
Tryon, L.
Tugendhat, L.
Turner of Camden, B.
Tweeddale, M.
Ullswater, V.
Vivian, L.
Waddington, L.
Wakeham, L.
Walker of Doncaster, L.
Wallace of Saltaire, L.
Walpole, L.
Walton of Detchant, L.
Warnock, B.
Watson of Invergowrie, L.
Waverley, V.
Weatherill, L.
Westbury, L.
Whaddon, L.
Wharton, B.
Whitty, L.
Wigoder, L.
Wilberforce, L.
Wilcox, B.
Williams of Crosby, B.
Williams of Elvel, L.
Williams of Mostyn, L.
Winchilsea and Nottingham, E.
Wise, L.
Wynford, L.
Young, B.
Young of Old Scone, B.

PRAYERS were read by the Lord Bishop of Southwell.

Judicial Business

1.Regina v. Secretary of State for the Environment (Original Appellant and Cross-Respondent) ex parte Council of the London Borough of Camden (Original Respondents and Cross-Appellants)—The Report from the Appellate Committee was agreed to; it was ordered and adjudged that the Order of the Court of Appeal of 4th March 1997 be set aside and the part of the Order of Mr. Justice Jowitt of 5th July 1996 which refused the Council’s claim for relief in the form of the declaration sought by paragraph 1 of its Notice of Application for leave to apply for Judicial Review of 1st December 1995 be restored; that the matter be remitted to the Secretary of State to reconsider the other forms of relief sought by the Council in the light of the change of circumstances which has occurred since the hearing in the Court of Appeal; and that there be no order as to the costs of the appeal before Mr. Justice Jowitt, in the Court of Appeal or in this House.
2.Regina v. Secretary of State for the Home Department and another (Respondents) ex parte Franc”ois (A.P.) (Appellant) (On Appeal from a Divisional Court of the Queen’s Bench Division)—The Report from the Appellate Committee was agreed to; it was ordered and adjudged that the Order of the Divisional Court of 26th March 1997 be affirmed and the appeal dismissed; that the question certified by that Court on 26th March 1997 be answered in the affirmative; and that there be no order as to costs save that the costs of the appellant in this House be taxed in accordance with the Legal Aid Act 1988.
3.Bank of Credit and Commerce International (Overseas) Limited (In Liquidation) and others (Respondents) v. Price Waterhouse and others and Ernst & Whinney and others (Petitioners)—The petition of Ernst & Whinney and 229 others praying for leave to appeal was presented and referred to an Appeal Committee.
4.Berkeley (Petitioner) v. Secretary of State for the Environment and others (Respondents)—The petition of Dido Berkeley praying for leave to appeal was presented and referred to an Appeal Committee.
5.Appeal Committee—The following Order was made pursuant to the 53rd Report:

Ouanes (A.P.) (Petitioner) v. Secretary of State for the Home Department (Respondent)—That leave to appeal be given, and that the petition of appeal be lodged by 26th March next.

6.Oath—Piers Hugh Tremenheere Lord Dowding made and subscribed the solemn affirmation pursuant to statute.


7.Command Paper—The following paper was presented to the House by command of Her Majesty and ordered to lie on the Table:

Government Agencies—Next Steps Report 1997.


8.Affirmative Instrument—The following instrument was laid before the House for approval by resolution and ordered to lie on the Table:

Draft Institute of Legal Executives Order 1998.

9.Negative Instruments—The following instruments were laid before the House and ordered to lie on the Table:

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1.Workmen’s Compensation (Supplementation) (Amendment) Scheme 1998, laid under the Social Security Contributions and Benefits Act 1992;
2. (i)Legal Aid (Financial Conditions) Regulations (Northern Ireland) 1998—(—)
(ii)Legal Aid (Assessment of Resources) (Amendment) Regulations (Northern Ireland) 1998—(—)
(iii)Legal Advice and Assistance (Amendment) Regulations (Northern Ireland) 1998—(—)
(iv)Legal Advice and Assistance (Financial Conditions) Regulations (Northern Ireland) 1998—(—)
 laid under the Legal Aid, Advice and Assistance (Northern Ireland) Order 1981;
3.Broadcasting Digital Terrestrial Sound (Technical Service) Order 1998, laid under the Broadcasting Act 1996.
10.Papers not subject to parliamentary proceedings—The following papers were laid before the House and ordered to lie on the Table:

Statements of Guarantee given by the Secretary of State for Health on loans proposed to be raised by—

(i)Queen’s Medical Centre Nottingham University Hospitals NHS Trust—
(ii)Winchester & Eastleigh Healthcare NHS Trust—
(iii)St. Helier NHS Trust—
(iv)Wiltshire Health Care NHS Trust—
(v)Leicester Ambulance & Paramedic Service NHS Trust—
(vi)Trecare NHS Trust—
(vii)Northern General Hospital NHS Trust—
(viii)Oxford Radcliffe NHS Trust—
 laid under the National Health Service and Community Care Act 1990.

Public Business

11.Business of the House—It was moved by the Lord Privy Seal (Lord Richard) that Standing Order 44 (No two stages of a Bill to be taken on one day) be dispensed with to enable the Consolidated Fund (No. 2) Bill to be taken through its remaining stages on Monday 16th March; the motion was agreed to.
12.Wireless Telegraphy Bill [HL]—The bill was returned from the Commons agreed to with a privilege amendment; the amendment was considered and agreed to.
13.European Communities (Amendment) Bill—The House resolved itself into a Committee upon the bill; amendments were moved and (by leave of the Committee) withdrawn; the House was resumed.
14.Greater London Authority (Referendum Arrangements) Order 1998—It was moved by the Baroness Farrington of Ribbleton that the draft Order laid before the House on 10th March be approved; after debate, the motion was agreed to.

The House was adjourned during pleasure.
The House was resumed.

15.European Communities (Amendment) Bill—The House again resolved itself into a Committee upon the bill; an amendment was moved and (by leave of the Committee) withdrawn; the House was resumed after amendment 3.

The House was adjourned at five minutes past eleven o’clock
till tomorrow, eleven o’clock.