House of Lords Journal 231 (Session 1997-98)

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Tuesday 20 January 1998

The House met at half-past two o’clock.

The following Lords Spiritual and Temporal were present:

Irvine of Lairg, L.
(Lord Chancellor)

Abercorn, D.
Aberdare, L.
Ackner, L.
Acton, L.
Addington, L.
Addison, V.
Ailesbury, M.
Ailsa, M.
Alderdice, L.
Aldington, L.
Alexander of Tunis, E.
Allen of Abbeydale, L.
Allenby of Megiddo, V.
Alport, L.
Amos, B.
Ampthill, L.
Amwell, L.
Anelay of St. Johns, B.
Annan, L.
Archer of Sandwell, L.
Archer of Weston-Super-Mare, L.
Ashbourne, L.
Ashley of Stoke, L.
Astor of Hever, L.
Avebury, L.
Baker of Dorking, L.
Baldwin of Bewdley, E.
Banbury of Southam, L.
Barnett, L.
Bassam of Brighton, L.
Beaumont of Whitley, L.
Beaverbrook, L.
Belhaven and Stenton, L.
Bellwin, L.
Beloff, L.
Belstead, L.
Berkeley, L.
Berners, B.
Bethell, L.
Biddulph, L.
Birdwood, L.
Birmingham, Bp.
Blackstone, B.
Blaker, L.
Blatch, B.
Blease, L.
Bledisloe, V.
Blyth, L.
Boardman, L.
Borrie, L.
Boston of Faversham, L.
Bowness, L.
Brabazon of Tara, L.
Brain, L.
Brentford, V.
Bridges, L.
Brightman, L.
Brigstocke, B.
Brooke of Alverthorpe, L.
Brookes, L.
Brooks of Tremorfa, L.
Brougham and Vaux, L.
Bruce of Donington, L.
Burlison, L.
Burnham, L.
Butterfield, L.
Butterworth, L.
Byford, B.
Cadman, L.
Callaghan of Cardiff, L.
Calverley, L.
Campbell of Alloway, L.
Campbell of Croy, L.
Carlisle, E.
Carmichael of Kelvingrove, L.
Carnarvon, E.
Carnegy of Lour, B.
Carter, L.
Castle of Blackburn, B.
Chalfont, L.
Chapple, L.
Charteris of Amisfield, L.
Chelmsford, V.
Chesham, L.
Chorley, L.
Clancarty, E.
Clanwilliam, E.
Cledwyn of Penrhos, L.
Cobbold, L.
Cochrane of Cults, L.
Cockfield, L.
Cocks of Hartcliffe, L.
Coleraine, L.
Colville of Culross, V.
Colwyn, L.
Congleton, L.
Constantine of Stanmore, L.
Cooke of Thorndon, L.
Cope of Berkeley, L.
Cornwallis, L.
Courtown, E.
Craig of Radley, L.
Craigavon, V.
Cranborne, V.
Crathorne, L.
Crickhowell, L.
Crook, L.
Cross, V.
Cuckney, L.
Cullen of Ashbourne, L.
Cumberlege, B.
Currie of Marylebone, L.
Dacre of Glanton, L.
Dahrendorf, L.
David, B.
Davidson, V.
Davies of Coity, L.
Davies of Oldham, L.
Dean of Beswick, L.
Dean of Harptree, L.

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Dean of Thornton-le-Fylde, B.
Denbigh, E.
Denham, L.
Desai, L.
Dholakia, L.
Diamond, L.
Dixon, L.
Dixon-Smith, L.
Dormand of Easington, L.
Downshire, M.
Dundonald, E.
Eatwell, L.
Eccles of Moulton, B.
Effingham, E.
Elis-Thomas, L.
Ellenborough, L.
Elles, B.
Elliott of Morpeth, L.
Elton, L.
Emerton, B.
Erne, E.
Erroll, E.
Evans of Parkside, L.
Exmouth, V.
Ezra, L.
Falconer of Thoroton, L.
Falkland, V.
Farrington of Ribbleton, B.
Ferrers, E.
Fitt, L.
Flowers, L.
Fookes, B.
Fraser of Carmyllie, L.
Freyberg, L.
Gainford, L.
Gallacher, L.
Gardner of Parkes, B.
Garel-Jones, L.
Geraint, L.
Gerard, L.
Gilbert, L.
Gisborough, L.
Gladwin of Clee, L.
Glasgow, E.
Glenamara, L.
Glenarthur, L.
Goodhart, L.
Gordon of Strathblane, L.
Gormanston, V.
Gould of Potternewton, B.
Graham of Edmonton, L.
Granard, E.
Grantchester, L.
Gray, L.
Gray of Contin, L.
Greenhill of Harrow, L.
Greenway, L.
Gregson, L.
Grenfell, L.
Grey, E.
Grimston of Westbury, L.
Habgood, L.
Halsbury, E.
Hampton, L.
Hankey, L.
Hanworth, V.
Harding of Petherton, L.
Hardy of Wath, L.
Harlech, L.
Harmar-Nicholls, L.
Harris of Greenwich, L.
Harris of Peckham, L.
Harrowby, E.
Haskel, L.
Hattersley, L.
Hayhoe, L.
Hayman, B.
Healey, L.
Hemphill, L.
Henley, L.
Hesketh, L.
Higgins, L.
Hilton of Eggardon, B.
Hogg, B.
Hogg of Cumbernauld, L.
Holderness, L.
Hollick, L.
Hollis of Heigham, B.
HolmPatrick, L.
Hood, V.
Hooper, B.
Hooson, L.
Hope of Craighead, L.
Howe, E.
Howell of Guildford, L.
Howie of Troon, L.
Hoyle, L.
Hughes, L.
Hughes of Woodside, L.
Hunt of Kings Heath, L.
Hunt of Wirral, L.
Hurd of Westwell, L.
Hylton, L.
Hylton-Foster, B.
Ilchester, E.
Inchcape, E.
Inchyra, L.
Inge, L.
Inglewood, L.
Ironside, L.
Islwyn, L.
Janner of Braunstone, L.
Jay of Paddington, B.
Jeffreys, L.
Jeger, B.
Jellicoe, E.
Jenkin of Roding, L.
Jenkins of Putney, L.
Johnston of Rockport, L.
Jopling, L.
Kelvedon, L.
Kenilworth, L.
Kennedy of The Shaws, B.
Kennet, L.
Kenyon, L.
Kilbracken, L.
Kilmarnock, L.
Kimball, L.
Kingsland, L.
Kinloss, Ly.
Kirkhill, L.
Knight of Collingtree, B.
Knollys, V.
Lane of Horsell, L.
Lauderdale, E.
Layton, L.
Leathers, V.
Leigh, L.
Levy, L.
Lindsay, E.
Linklater of Butterstone, B.
Liverpool, E.
Lockwood, B.
Lofthouse of Pontefract, L.
Longford, E.
Lovell-Davis, L.
Lowry, L.
Lucas, L.
Lucas of Chilworth, L.
Ludford, B.
Luke, L.
Lyell, L.
McCarthy, L.
McColl of Dulwich, L.
McConnell, L.
McFarlane of Llandaff, B.
McIntosh of Haringey, L.
Mackay of Ardbrecknish, L.
Mackay of Clashfern, L.
Mackie of Benshie, L.
McNair, L.
McNally, L.
Maddock, B.
Mallalieu, B.
Mar, C.
Mar and Kellie, E.
Marlborough, D.
Marlesford, L.
Marsh, L.
Masham of Ilton, B.
Mason of Barnsley, L.
Merlyn-Rees, L.
Merrivale, L.
Mersey, V.
Meston, L.
Methuen, L.
Middleton, L.
Miller of Hendon, B.
Mills, V.
Milner of Leeds, L.
Milverton, L.
Mishcon, L.
Molloy, L.
Molyneaux of Killead, L.
Monkswell, L.
Monro of Langholm, L.
Montagu of Beaulieu, L.
Montague of Oxford, L.
Montgomery of Alamein, V.
Montrose, D.
Moore of Wolvercote, L.
Moran, L.
Morris of Castle Morris, L.
Morris of Manchester, L.
Mottistone, L.
Mountevans, L.
Moyne, L.
Moynihan, L.
Munster, E.
Murray of Epping Forest, L.
Napier and Ettrick, L.
Naseby, L.
Nelson, E.
Newall, L.
Newby, L.
Newton of Braintree, L.
Nicholson of Winterbourne, B.

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Nicol, B.
Noel-Buxton, L.
Norrie, L.
Northesk, E.
Norton, L.
O’Cathain, B.
Onslow of Woking, L.
Orme, L.
Orr-Ewing, L.
Oxford, Bp.
Oxfuird, V.
Palmer, L.
Park of Monmouth, B.
Parry, L.
Patten, L.
Pearson of Rannoch, L.
Pender, L.
Perry of Southwark, B.
Perry of Walton, L.
Peston, L.
Phillips of Ellesmere, L.
Pilkington of Oxenford, L.
Pitkeathley, B.
Plant of Highfield, L.
Platt of Writtle, B.
Ponsonby of Shulbrede, L.
Prys-Davies, L.
Puttnam, L.
Quinton, L.
Quirk, L.
Radnor, E.
Ramsay of Cartvale, B.
Randall of St. Budeaux, L.
Rankeillour, L.
Rathcavan, L.
Rawlings, B.
Rawlinson of Ewell, L.
Razzall, L.
Rea, L.
Reay, L.
Redesdale, L.
Rees, L.
Renfrew of Kaimsthorn, L.
Rennell, L.
Renton, L.
Renton of Mount Harry, L.
Renwick, L.
Renwick of Clifton, L.
Richard, L.
Ripon, Bp.
Ritchie of Dundee, L.
Rix, L.
Roberts of Conwy, L.
Robertson of Oakridge, L.
Rochester, L.
Rodgers of Quarry Bank, L.
Rogers of Riverside, L.
Rowallan, L.
Runcie, L.
Russell, E.
Ryder of Wensum, L.
Sainsbury, L.
St. John of Bletso, L.
St. John of Fawsley, L.
Salisbury, Bp.
Saltoun of Abernethy, Ly.
Sandberg, L.
Sandwich, E.
Scanlon, L.
Seccombe, B.
Sefton of Garston, L.
Selborne, E.
Selkirk of Douglas, L.
Sempill, L.
Serota, B.
Sewel, L.
Shannon, E.
Shaughnessy, L.
Shaw of Northstead, L.
Shepherd, L.
Shore of Stepney, L.
Simon, V.
Simon of Glaisdale, L.
Simon of Highbury, L.
Smith, L.
Smith of Clifton, L.
Smith of Gilmorehill, B.
Spens, L.
Stafford, L.
Stallard, L.
Steel of Aikwood, L.
Stewartby, L.
Stodart of Leaston, L.
Stoddart of Swindon, L.
Stone of Blackheath, L.
Strabolgi, L.
Strafford, E.
Strange, B.
Strathcarron, L.
Strathclyde, L.
Strathcona and Mount Royal, L.
Sudeley, L.
Swansea, L.
Swinfen, L.
Taverne, L.
Taylor of Blackburn, L.
Taylor of Gryfe, L.
Tebbit, L.
Tenby, V.
Teviot, L.
Teynham, L.
Thomas of Gresford, L.
Thomas of Gwydir, L.
Thomas of Macclesfield, L.
Thomas of Swynnerton, L.
Thomson of Monifieth, L.
Thurlow, L.
Tope, L.
Trefgarne, L.
Trumpington, B.
Turner of Camden, B.
Ullswater, V.
Varley, L.
Vivian, L.
Wade of Chorlton, L.
Wakeham, L.
Walker of Doncaster, L.
Wallace of Coslany, L.
Walpole, L.
Walton of Detchant, L.
Warnock, B.
Waterford, M.
Watson of Invergowrie, L.
Waverley, V.
Weatherill, L.
Wedderburn of Charlton, L.
Wedgwood, L.
Westbury, L.
Whaddon, L.
Wharton, B.
Whitty, L.
Wilberforce, L.
Williams of Elvel, L.
Williams of Mostyn, L.
Willoughby de Broke, L.
Winchilsea and Nottingham, E.
Windlesham, L.
Winston, L.
Wise, L.
Woolton, E.
Wright of Richmond, L.
Young, B.
Young of Old Scone, B.

PRAYERS were read by the Lord Bishop of Oxford.

1.Bishop of Salisbury—David Staffurth Lord Bishop of Salisbury was introduced between the Lord Bishop of Oxford and the Lord Bishop of Birmingham; and took and subscribed the oath pursuant to statute.

Judicial Business

2.Stanley (A.P.) (Appellant) v. Director of Public Prosecutions (Respondent) (On Appeal from a Divisional Court of the Queen’s Bench Division) (lodged 19th January)—The appeal of Noah Stanley was presented and ordered to be prosecuted subject to the procedures applicable thereto.
3.Stretch (A.P.) (Petitioner) v. West Dorset District Council (Respondent) (lodged 16th January)—The petition of Michael Stretch praying for leave to appeal was presented and referred to an Appeal Committee. The petitioner’s legal aid certificate was lodged.

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4.MCC Proceeds Inc (Incorporated under the laws of the State of Delaware, USA, as Trustee of the Maxwell Macmillan Realization Liquidating Trust) (Petitioners) v. Lehman Brothers International (Europe) (Respondents) (lodged 19th January)—The petition of MCC Proceeds Inc praying for leave to appeal was presented and referred to an Appeal Committee.
5.Manifest Shipping Company Limited (Responents) v. Uni-Polaris Shipping Company Limited and others (Appellants)—The petition of the appellants praying that the time for lodging the statement and appendix and setting down the cause for hearing might be extended to 11th February next (the agents for the respondents consenting thereto) was presented; and it was ordered as prayed.
6.In re R (A.P.) (Petitioner)—The petition of R praying for leave to appeal was presented and referred to an Appeal Committee. The petitioner’s legal aid certificate was lodged.
7.In re J (A.P.) (a minor) (Respondent)—The respondent’s legal aid certificate was lodged.


8.Command Paper—The following paper was presented to the House by command of Her Majesty and ordered to lie on the Table:

Hong Kong—Report on Hong Kong July–December 1997.


9.Negative Instruments—The following instruments were laid before the House and ordered to lie on the Table:
1.Education (Grants for Education Support and Training) (England) (Amendment) Regulations 1998, laid under the Education Act 1996;
2.Electrical Equipment for Explosive Atmospheres (Certification) (Amendment) Regulations 1998, laid under the European Communities Act 1972.
10.Papers not subject to parliamentary proceedings—The following papers were laid before the House and ordered to lie on the Table:
1.Accounts for 1996–97 of the Home Grown Sugar Beet (Research and Education) Fund, together with the Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General, laid under the Food Act 1984;
2. (i)Food Protection (Emergency Prohibitions) (Radioactivity in Sheep) Partial Revocation Order 1998—(82)
(ii)Food Protection (Emergency Prohibitions) (Radioactivity in Sheep) (Wales) (Partial Revocation) Order 1998—(72)
 laid under the Food and Environmental Protection Act 1985;
3.Report by the Comptroller and Auditor General for Northern Ireland on the Administration of Disability Living Allowance by the Social Security Agency, laid under the Audit (Northern Ireland) Order 1987.

Select Committee Reports

11.Statutory Instruments—The 19th Report from the Joint Committee was made on certain statutory instruments, including the following affirmative instruments:

Draft Consumer Credit (Increase of Monetary Limits) (Amendment) Order 1998;

Draft Contracting Out (Functions in relation to the Management of Crown Lands) Order 1998;

Draft Industrial Training Levy (Construction Board) Order 1998;

Draft Industrial Training Levy (Engineering Construction Board) Order 1998;

it was ordered that the Report be printed. (HL Paper 59)

12.European Communities—The 11th Report from the Select Committee, on Correspondence with Ministers, was made; it was ordered that the Report be printed. (HL Paper 60)

Public Business

13.European Communities (Amendment) Bill—A bill to make provision consequential on the Treaty signed at Amsterdam on 2nd October 1997 amending the Treaty on European Union, the Treaties establishing the European Communities and certain related Acts was brought from the Commons, read a first time and ordered to be printed. (HL Bill 62)
14.Business of the House—It was moved by the Lord Privy Seal (Lord Richard) that Standing Order 38 (Arrangement of the Order Paper) be dispensed with on 27th January to enable the motions standing in the names of the Lord Kimball and the Lord Willoughby de Broke to be taken before the Local Government (Experimental Arrangements) Bill; the motion was agreed to.
15.Teaching and Higher Education Bill [HL]—The House resolved itself into a Committee upon the bill; amendments were moved and (by leave of the Committee) withdrawn; the House was resumed.

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16.Quarrying Industry—The Lord Glenarthur asked Her Majesty’s Government what are their policies towards the quarrying industry in the United Kingdom; after debate, the question was answered by the Baroness Hayman.

The House was adjourned during pleasure.
The House was resumed.

17.Teaching and Higher Education Bill [HL]—The House again resolved itself into a Committee upon the bill; amendments were moved and (by leave of the Committee) withdrawn; an amendment was agreed to; the House was resumed after Clause 15 stood part.

The House was adjourned at twenty-three minutes past eleven o’clock
till tomorrow, half-past two o’clock.