House of Lords Journal 231 (Session 1997-98)

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Tuesday 29 July 1997

The House met at half-past two o’clock.

The following Lords Spiritual and Temporal were present:

Irvine of Lairg, L.
(Lord Chancellor)

Aberdare, L.
Ackner, L.
Addington, L.
Addison, V.
Ailesbury, M.
Ailsa, M.
Aldenham, L.
Alexander of Tunis, E.
Allen of Abbeydale, L.
Allenby of Megiddo, V.
Alport, L.
Ampthill, L.
Anelay of St. Johns, B.
Annaly, L.
Archer of Sandwell, L.
Archer of Weston-Super-Mare, L.
Ashley of Stoke, L.
Astor of Hever, L.
Attlee, E.
Avebury, L.
Baldwin of Bewdley, E.
Balfour, E.
Balfour of Inchrye, L.
Barber, L.
Barber of Tewkesbury, L.
Barnett, L.
Beaumont of Whitley, L.
Beaverbrook, L.
Belhaven and Stenton, L.
Beloff, L.
Biddulph, L.
Birdwood, L.
Blatch, B.
Blease, L.
Blyth, L.
Boardman, L.
Borrie, L.
Boston of Faversham, L.
Bowness, L.
Boyd-Carpenter, L.
Brabazon of Tara, L.
Bridges, L.
Broadbridge, L.
Brookeborough, V.
Brooks of Tremorfa, L.
Brougham and Vaux, L.
Broughshane, L.
Bruce of Donington, L.
Burnham, L.
Burton, L.
Butterworth, L.
Byford, B.
Cadman, L.
Callaghan of Cardiff, L.
Calverley, L.
Cameron of Lochbroom, L.
Campbell of Alloway, L.
Campbell of Croy, L.
Carew, L.
Carlisle, E.
Carlisle of Bucklow, L.
Carmichael of Kelvingrove, L.
Carnegy of Lour, B.
Carr of Hadley, L.
Carrick, E.
Carrington, L.
Carter, L.
Carver, L.
Castle of Blackburn, B.
Chalfont, L.
Chalker of Wallasey, B.
Chelmsford, V.

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Chesham, L.
Chichester, Bp.
Clancarty, E.
Clanwilliam, E.
Clark of Kempston, L.
Clinton-Davis, L.
Clyde, L.
Cockfield, L.
Cocks of Hartcliffe, L.
Coleraine, L.
Colwyn, L.
Constantine of Stanmore, L.
Cooke of Islandreagh, L.
Cooke of Thorndon, L.
Cornwallis, L.
Courtown, E.
Cox, B.
Craigavon, V.
Crawshaw, L.
Crickhowell, L.
Cross, V.
Cuckney, L.
Cullen of Ashbourne, L.
Cumberlege, B.
Dahrendorf, L.
Darcy de Knayth, B.
Davidson, V.
Dean of Beswick, L.
Dean of Harptree, L.
Denbigh, E.
Denton of Wakefield, B.
Derwent, L.
Desai, L.
Digby, L.
Dilhorne, V.
Dixon, L.
Dixon-Smith, L.
Donaldson of Kingsbridge, L.
Donegall, M.
Donoughue, L.
Dormand of Easington, L.
Dundee, E.
Dundonald, E.
Eatwell, L.
Eccles of Moulton, B.
Effingham, E.
Elis-Thomas, L.
Ellenborough, L.
Elles, B.
Elliott of Morpeth, L.
Elton, L.
Emerton, B.
Enniskillen, E.
Erroll, E.
Erroll of Hale, L.
Evans of Parkside, L.
Ewing of Kirkford, L.
Ezra, L.
Falconer of Thoroton, L.
Falkland, V.
Farrington of Ribbleton, B.
Flather, B.
Forbes, L.
Fraser of Carmyllie, L.
Freyberg, L.
Gage, V.
Gainford, L.
Gainsborough, E.
Gallacher, L.
Gardner of Parkes, B.
Geraint, L.
Gillmore of Thamesfield, L.
Gisborough, L.
Glenamara, L.
Glenarthur, L.
Goff of Chieveley, L.
Gormanston, V.
Goschen, V.
Gowrie, E.
Graham of Edmonton, L.
Gray, L.
Gray of Contin, L.
Greene of Harrow Weald, L.
Greenhill of Harrow, L.
Greenway, L.
Gregson, L.
Grenfell, L.
Grey, E.
Hacking, L.
Hailsham of Saint Marylebone, L.
Halsbury, E.
Hamwee, B.
Hanworth, V.
Hardie, L.
Harding of Petherton, L.
Hardwicke, E.
Harmar-Nicholls, L.
Harris of Greenwich, L.
Harrowby, E.
Haskel, L.
Hayhoe, L.
Hayman, B.
Hayter, L.
Headfort, M.
Healey, L.
Hemphill, L.
Hertford, M.
Hilton of Eggardon, B.
Hoffmann, L.
Holderness, L.
Hollis of Heigham, B.
HolmPatrick, L.
Hooper, B.
Hooson, L.
Hope of Craighead, L.
Hothfield, L.
Howe, E.
Howe of Aberavon, L.
Howell of Guildford, L.
Hoyle, L.
Hughes, L.
Hutchinson of Lullington, L.
Hutton, L.
Hylton-Foster, B.
Ilchester, E.
Inchcape, E.
Inchyra, L.
Inge, L.
Ironside, L.
Iveagh, E.
Jay of Paddington, B.
Jenkin of Roding, L.
Jenkins of Hillhead, L.
Jenkins of Putney, L.
Johnston of Rockport, L.
Judd, L.
Kennet, L.
Kenyon, L.
Keyes, L.
Kilbracken, L.
Kimball, L.
Kindersley, L.
Kinloss, Ly.
Kinnoull, E.
Kirkhill, L.
Kitchener, E.
Knollys, V.
Knutsford, V.
Lane of Horsell, L.
Lauderdale, E.
Lawrence, L.
Layton, L.
Leathers, V.
Leigh, L.
Lester of Herne Hill, L.
Lestor of Eccles, B.
Lincoln, Bp.
Lloyd of Berwick, L.
Lofthouse of Pontefract, L.
Long, V.
Longford, E.
Lowry, L.
Lucas, L.
Lucas of Chilworth, L.
Luke, L.
Lyell, L.
Lytton, E.
McCarthy, L.
McCluskey, L.
McConnell, L.
McFarlane of Llandaff, B.
McIntosh of Haringey, L.
Mackay of Ardbrecknish, L.
Mackay of Drumadoon, L.
Mackie of Benshie, L.
Macleod of Borve, B.
McNair, L.
McNally, L.
Mallalieu, B.
Malmesbury, E.
Mar, C.
Mar and Kellie, E.
Marlesford, L.
Marsh, L.
Mason of Barnsley, L.
Massereene and Ferrard, V.
Mayhew of Twysden, L.
Melville, V.
Merlyn-Rees, L.
Merrivale, L.
Mersey, V.
Methuen, L.
Middleton, L.
Miller of Hendon, B.
Milner of Leeds, L.
Milverton, L.
Mishcon, L.
Molloy, L.
Molyneaux of Killead, L.
Monckton of Brenchley, V.
Monk Bretton, L.
Monkswell, L.
Monson, L.
Montagu of Beaulieu, L.
Montgomery of Alamein, V.
Montrose, D.
Moran, L.

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Morris of Castle Morris, L.
Mountevans, L.
Mountgarret, V.
Mowbray and Stourton, L.
Moyne, L.
Moynihan, L.
Munster, E.
Murray of Epping Forest, L.
Mustill, L.
Napier and Ettrick, L.
Nelson, E.
Newall, L.
Nickson, L.
Nicol, B.
Noel-Buxton, L.
Norfolk, D.
Norrie, L.
Northesk, E.
Norton, L.
O’Cathain, B.
Ogmore, L.
Orr-Ewing, L.
Oxford, Bp.
Oxfuird, V.
Palmer, L.
Park of Monmouth, B.
Parry, L.
Patten, L.
Paul, L.
Pender, L.
Perry of Southwark, B.
Perry of Walton, L.
Peston, L.
Peyton of Yeovil, L.
Pilkington of Oxenford, L.
Plant of Highfield, L.
Platt of Writtle, B.
Plummer of St. Marylebone, L.
Ponsonby of Shulbrede, L.
Prior, L.
Prys-Davies, L.
Pym, L.
Quinton, L.
Quirk, L.
Ramsay of Cartvale, B.
Rankeillour, L.
Rawlings, B.
Rea, L.
Redesdale, L.
Rees, L.
Renfrew of Kaimsthorn, L.
Renton, L.
Renton of Mount Harry, L.
Renwick, L.
Richard, L.
Rodgers of Quarry Bank, L.
Rogers of Riverside, L.
Romney, E.
Rotherwick, L.
Rowallan, L.
Russell-Johnston, L.
Sainsbury, L.
St. Davids, V.
St. John of Bletso, L.
St. John of Fawsley, L.
Saltoun of Abernethy, Ly.
Samuel, V.
Sanderson of Bowden, L.
Sandford, L.
Sandys, L.
Savile, L.
Saville of Newdigate, L.
Seccombe, B.
Sefton of Garston, L.
Selborne, E.
Sewel, L.
Shannon, E.
Sharples, B.
Shaughnessy, L.
Shaw of Northstead, L.
Sheffield, Bp.
Shepherd, L.
Simon, V.
Simon of Glaisdale, L.
Simon of Highbury, L.
Skelmersdale, L.
Skidelsky, L.
Slim, V.
Smith, L.
Smith of Gilmorehill, B.
Soulsby of Swaffham Prior, L.
Stallard, L.
Stanley of Alderley, L.
Steel of Aikwood, L.
Stewartby, L.
Steyn, L.
Stodart of Leaston, L.
Stoddart of Swindon, L.
Strabolgi, L.
Strafford, E.
Strathcarron, L.
Sudeley, L.
Suffolk and Berkshire, E.
Swinfen, L.
Symons of Vernham Dean, B.
Taylor of Blackburn, L.
Taylor of Gryfe, L.
Taylor of Warwick, L.
Tenby, V.
Terrington, L.
Teviot, L.
Teynham, L.
Thomas of Gresford, L.
Thomas of Gwydir, L.
Thomas of Swynnerton, L.
Thomson of Monifieth, L.
Thurlow, L.
Tope, L.
Trumpington, B.
Tugendhat, L.
Turner of Camden, B.
Tweeddale, M.
Ullswater, V.
Varley, L.
Vivian, L.
Waddington, L.
Wallace of Coslany, L.
Warnock, B.
Waverley, V.
Weatherill, L.
Wedderburn of Charlton, L.
Wedgwood, L.
Westbury, L.
Whaddon, L.
Wharton, B.
Whitty, L.
Wilcox, B.
Williams of Crosby, B.
Williams of Elvel, L.
Williams of Mostyn, L.
Wise, L.
Wright of Richmond, L.
Wynford, L.
Young, B.
Young of Dartington, L.

PRAYERS were read by the Lord Bishop of Sheffield.

1.Lord Saville of Newdigate—The Right Honourable Sir Mark Oliver Saville, Knight, a Lord Justice of Appeal, having been appointed a Lord of Appeal in Ordinary and created Baron Saville of Newdigate, of Newdigate in the County of Surrey, for life by Letters Patent dated 28th July 1997 (see appendix), was introduced between the Lord Mustill and the Lord Steyn, the Gentleman Usher of the Black Rod and Garter King of Arms preceding; and took and subscribed the oath pursuant to statute.
2.Oaths—The Lords following took and subscribed the oath pursuant to statute:

Robert David Ross Viscount Melville
Kenneth John Lord Cameron of Lochbroom

Judicial Business

3.Page (Appellant) v. Sheerness Steel Company Limited (Respondents)—
4.Wells (Suing by her daughter and next friend Susan Smith) (Appellant) v. Wells (Respondent)—
5.Thomas (Suing by his mother and next friend Susan Thomas) (Appellant) v. Brighton Health Authority (Respondents)—

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The petition of the appellants (lodged 28th July) praying that the appeals be conjoined, that they may have leave to lodge separate statements and cases and one appendix and be separately represented in respect of the three appeals, and that the respondents have leave to lodge separate cases and also be separately represented (the agents for the respondents consenting thereto) was presented; and it was ordered as prayed. The appellants’ cases having been lodged on 28th July cause was set down for hearing and referred to an Appellate Committee.

6.Regina v. Chief Constable of the Royal Ulster Constabulary (Respondent) ex parte Begley (A.P.) (Appellant) (Northern Ireland)—The appellant’s legal aid certificate was lodged.


7.Command Paper—The following paper was presented to the House by command of Her Majesty and ordered to lie on the Table:

London—New Leadership for London; the Government’s proposals for a Greater London Authority: Government consultation document.


8.Negative Instruments—The following instruments were laid before the House and ordered to lie on the Table:
1.Wireless Telegraphy (Control of Interference from Videosenders) Order 1997, laid under the Wireless Telegraphy Act 1967;
2.Fire Precautions (Workplace) Regulations 1997, laid under the Fire Precautions Act 1971;
3. (i)Savings Certificates (Amendment) Regulations 1997—(1859)
(ii)Savings Certificates (Children’s Bonus Bonds) (Amendment) Regulations 1997—(1860)
(iii)Savings Certificates (Yearly Plan) (Amendment) Regulations 1997—(1863)
(iv)Savings Contracts (Amendment) Regulations 1997—(1858)
(v)Premium Savings Bonds (Amendment) Regulations 1997—(1862)
(vi)National Savings Stock Register (Amendment) Regulations 1997—(1864)
 laid under the National Debt Act 1972;
4.General Medical Council (Legal Assessors) (Amendment) Rules 1997, laid under the Medical Act 1983;
5.Broadcasting (Technical Services) Order 1997, laid under the Broadcasting Act 1996.
9.Papers not subject to parliamentary proceedings—The following papers were laid before the House and ordered to lie on the Table:
1.Accounts for 1996–97 of the National Museum of Science and Industry, together with the Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General, laid under the Museums and Galleries Act 1992;
2.Accounts for 1996–97 of the National Heritage Memorial Fund, together with the Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General, laid under the National Heritage Act 1980;
3.Accounts for 1996–97 of the National Heritage Memorial Fund Heritage Lottery Fund, together with the Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General, laid under the National Lottery etc. Act 1993;
4.(i) Report and Accounts for 1996–97 of the United Kingdom Hydrographic Office, together with the Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General—
(ii)Report and Accounts for 1996–97 of the Vehicle Inspectorate, together with the Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General—
 laid under the Government Trading Funds Act 1973;
5.Accounts for 1996–97 of the Public Lending Right Central Fund, together with the Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General, laid under the Public Lending Right Act 1979;
6.Accounts for 1996–97 of the Higher Education Funding Council for England, together with the Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General, laid under the Further and Higher Education Act 1992;
7.Report for 1996–97 of the Audit Commission, laid under the Local Government Act 1982;
8.Report for 1996–97 of the Firearms Consultative Committee, laid under the Firearms (Amendment) Act 1988;
9.Report for 1995–96 of the Historic Buildings Council for Wales, laid under the Historic Buildings and Ancient Monuments Act 1953;
10.Report and Accounts for 1996–97 of the Waltham Forest Housing Action Trust, laid under the Housing Act 1988;

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11.Report and Accounts for 1996–97 of the—
(i)Veterinary Laboratories Agency—
(ii)Forensic Science Service—
(iii)Queen Victoria School—
 laid under the Exchequer and Audit Departments Act 1921;
12.Accounts for 1996–97 of the Development Commission, together with the Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General, laid under the Miscellaneous Financial Provisions Act 1983;
13.Accounts for 1996–97 of the Nature Conservancy Council for England, together with the Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General, laid under the Environmental Protection Act 1990;
14.Accounts for 1996–97 of the Countryside Commission, together with the Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General, laid under the Wildlife and Countryside Act 1981.

Private Business

10.King’s College London Bill [HL]—The bill was returned from the Commons agreed to.
11.Woodford Aerodrome (Control of Land by Directions) Order 1997—A message was received from the Commons that they have appointed a committee of three members to join with a committee of this House as the Joint Committee to which the Petition of General Objection against the order stands referred, pursuant to section 4 of the Statutory Orders (Special Procedure) Act 1945.

Select Committee Reports

12.Science and Technology—The First Report from the Select Committee, on the Report of the National Committee of Inquiry into Higher Education (“The Dearing Report”) was made; it was ordered that the Report be printed, together with the Minutes of Evidence. (HL Paper 23)
13.Statutory Instruments—The 9th Report from the Joint Committee was made on certain statutory instruments; it was ordered that the Report be printed. (HL Paper 24)

Public Business

14.Geneva Conventions (Amendment) Bill [HL]—The order of commitment was discharged.
15.Referendums (Scotland and Wales) Bill—The bill was read a third time; an amendment was moved and (by leave of the House) withdrawn; amendments were agreed to; then, after debate, the bill was passed and returned to the Commons with amendments.
16.Local Government (Contracts) Bill—It was moved by the Baroness Hayman that the bill be now read a second time; after debate, the motion was agreed to and the bill was committed to a Committee of the Whole House.
17.United Nations—The Lord Judd asked Her Majesty’s Government what progress has been made in the reform of the United Nations system; after debate, the question was answered by the Baroness Symons of Vernham Dean.

The House was adjourned at eighteen minutes past seven o’clock till tomorrow,
two o’clock for judicial business, half-past two o’clock for public business.


ELIZABETH THE SECOND by the Grace of God of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and of Our other Realms and Territories Queen Head of the Commonwealth Defender of the Faith To all to whom these Presents shall come Greeting Whereas Our right trusty and well beloved Counsellor Michael John Baron Mustill has resigned his Office of a Lord of Appeal in Ordinary and the same is now vacant Now Know Ye that We of Our especial grace have in pursuance of the Appellate Jurisdiction Act 1876 as amended by subsequent enactments nominated and appointed and by these Presents Do nominate and appoint Our right trusty and well beloved Counsellor Sir Mark Oliver Saville Knight one of Our Lords Justices of Appeal to be a Lord of Appeal in Ordinary by the style of Baron Saville of Newdigate of Newdigate in Our County of Surrey To Hold the said Office so long as he shall well behave himself therein subject to the provisions in the said Act mentioned with all wages profits privileges rank and precedence whatsoever to the said Office belonging or in anywise appertaining and to hold the said style of Baron Saville of Newdigate unto him the said Sir Mark Oliver Saville during his life.

In Witness whereof We have caused these Our Letters to be made Patent Witness Ourself at Westminster the twenty-eighth day of July in the forty-sixth year of Our Reign