House of Lords Journal 231 (Session 1997-98)

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Wednesday 2 July 1997

The House met at half-past two o’clock.

The following Lords Spiritual and Temporal were present:

Irvine of Lairg, L.
(Lord Chancellor)

Aberdare, L.
Aberdeen and Temair, M.
Ackner, L.
Acton, L.
Addington, L.
Addison, V.
Ailesbury, M.
Ailsa, M.
Aldington, L.
Alexander of Tunis, E.
Allenby of Megiddo, V.
Ampthill, L.
Anelay of St. Johns, B.
Annan, L.
Archer of Weston-Super-Mare, L.
Arran, E.
Ashbourne, L.
Ashley of Stoke, L.
Astor of Hever, L.
Attlee, E.
Avebury, L.
Baker of Dorking, L.
Baldwin of Bewdley, E.
Balfour, E.
Balfour of Burleigh, L.
Banbury of Southam, L.
Barnett, L.
Beaverbrook, L.
Belhaven and Stenton, L.
Beloff, L.
Berkeley, L.
Bethell, L.
Biddulph, L.
Birdwood, L.
Blackburn, Bp.
Blackstone, B.
Blake, L.
Blatch, B.
Blyth, L.
Boardman, L.
Borrie, L.
Borthwick, L.
Boston of Faversham, L.
Bowness, L.
Boyd-Carpenter, L.
Brabazon of Tara, L.
Braine of Wheatley, L.
Bramall, L.
Brentford, V.
Bridgeman, V.
Brightman, L.
Brigstocke, B.
Broadbridge, L.
Brooks of Tremorfa, L.
Brougham and Vaux, L.
Bruce of Donington, L.
Bruntisfield, L.
Burnham, L.
Butterfield, L.
Butterworth, L.
Byford, B.
Byron, L.
Cadman, L.
Caithness, E.
Caldecote, V.
Callaghan of Cardiff, L.
Calverley, L.
Campbell of Alloway, L.
Campbell of Croy, L.
Carlisle, E.
Carlisle, Bp.
Carmichael of Kelvingrove, L.
Carnegy of Lour, B.
Carnock, L.
Carrick, E.
Chalfont, L.
Chalker of Wallasey, B.
Chapple, L.
Charteris of Amisfield, L.
Chesham, L.
Clancarty, E.
Clanwilliam, E.
Clark of Kempston, L.
Cledwyn of Penrhos, L.
Clinton-Davis, L.
Cockfield, L.
Cocks of Hartcliffe, L.
Coleraine, L.
Coleridge, L.
Colville of Culross, V.
Colwyn, L.
Constantine of Stanmore, L.
Cooke of Thorndon, L.
Cornwallis, L.
Courtown, E.
Cox, B.
Craig of Radley, L.
Craigavon, V.
Cranborne, V.
Crathorne, L.
Crawshaw, L.
Crickhowell, L.
Cross, V.
Cuckney, L.
Cullen of Ashbourne, L.
Cumberlege, B.
Dahrendorf, L.
Dainton, L.
Darcy de Knayth, B.
David, B.
Davidson, V.
De Freyne, L.
Dean of Beswick, L.
Dean of Harptree, L.
Dean of Thornton-le-Fylde, B.
Denbigh, E.
Denham, L.
Denton of Wakefield, B.
Desai, L.
Dilhorne, V.
Dixon-Smith, L.
Donoughue, L.
Dormand of Easington, L.
Drogheda, E.
Eatwell, L.
Effingham, E.
Elibank, L.
Ellenborough, L.
Elles, B.
Elliott of Morpeth, L.
Elton, L.
Erroll, E.
Evans of Parkside, L.
Ewing of Kirkford, L.
Exmouth, V.
Ezra, L.
Falkland, V.
Farrington of Ribbleton, B.
Feldman, L.
Ferrers, E.
Fisher of Rednal, B.
Fitt, L.
Flather, B.
Foley, L.
Fraser of Carmyllie, L.
Freyberg, L.
Gainford, L.
Gainsborough, E.
Gallacher, L.
Gardner of Parkes, B.
Geddes, L.
Geraint, L.
Gibson-Watt, L.
Gilbert, L.
Gillmore of Thamesfield, L.
Gilmour of Craigmillar, L.
Gisborough, L.
Gladwin of Clee, L.
Glenamara, L.
Glenarthur, L.
Gormanston, V.
Goschen, V.
Gould of Potternewton, B.
Graham of Edmonton, L.
Gray of Contin, L.
Greene of Harrow Weald, L.
Greenhill of Harrow, L.
Greenway, L.
Gregson, L.
Grenfell, L.
Grey, E.
Hacking, L.
Haddington, E.
Hailsham of Saint Marylebone, L.
Halsbury, E.
Hampton, L.
Hamwee, B.

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Hankey, L.
Harding of Petherton, L.
Harmar-Nicholls, L.
Harris of Greenwich, L.
Harris of High Cross, L.
Harris of Peckham, L.
Harrowby, E.
Haskel, L.
Hayhoe, L.
Hayman, B.
Hayter, L.
Healey, L.
Hemphill, L.
Henderson of Brompton, L.
Henley, L.
Hilton of Eggardon, B.
Holderness, L.
Hollis of Heigham, B.
HolmPatrick, L.
Hooper, B.
Hooson, L.
Hothfield, L.
Howe, E.
Howell, L.
Howie of Troon, L.
Hoyle, L.
Hughes, L.
Hylton, L.
Hylton-Foster, B.
Ilchester, E.
Inglewood, L.
Ironside, L.
Iveagh, E.
Jay of Paddington, B.
Jellicoe, E.
Jenkins of Putney, L.
Johnston of Rockport, L.
Judd, L.
Kenilworth, L.
Kennet, L.
Kenyon, L.
Kilbracken, L.
Killearn, L.
Kilmarnock, L.
Kimball, L.
Kingsland, L.
Kinloss, Ly.
Kinnoull, E.
Kintore, E.
Kirkhill, L.
Kitchener, E.
Knollys, V.
Lauderdale, E.
Lawrence, L.
Lawson of Blaby, L.
Layton, L.
Leicester, Bp.
Leigh, L.
Lester of Herne Hill, L.
Lestor of Eccles, B.
Lichfield, Bp.
Liverpool, E.
Lockwood, B.
Lofthouse of Pontefract, L.
Long, V.
Longford, E.
Lowry, L.
Lucas, L.
Lucas of Chilworth, L.
Lyell, L.
McColl of Dulwich, L.
McConnell, L.
McIntosh of Haringey, L.
Mackay of Ardbrecknish, L.
Mackay of Drumadoon, L.
Macleod of Borve, B.
McNair, L.
McNally, L.
Mansfield, E.
Mar, C.
Mar and Kellie, E.
Marsh, L.
Masham of Ilton, B.
Mason of Barnsley, L.
Massereene and Ferrard, V.
Mayhew of Twysden, L.
Merlyn-Rees, L.
Merrivale, L.
Mersey, V.
Miller of Hendon, B.
Milverton, L.
Mishcon, L.
Molloy, L.
Molyneaux of Killhead, L.
Monk Bretton, L.
Monkswell, L.
Montagu of Beaulieu, L.
Montgomery of Alamein, V.
Moran, L.
Morris of Castle Morris, L.
Mottistone, L.
Mountevans, L.
Mowbray and Stourton, L.
Moynihan, L.
Munster, E.
Napier and Ettrick, L.
Napier of Magdâla, L.
Nathan, L.
Noel-Buxton, L.
Norrie, L.
Northbourne, L.
Northesk, E.
Norton, L.
O’Cathain, B.
Oppenheim-Barnes, B.
Oxfuird, V.
Palmer, L.
Park of Monmouth, B.
Patten, L.
Paul, L.
Pearson of Rannoch, L.
Pender, L.
Perry of Southwark, B.
Perry of Walton, L.
Perth, E.
Peston, L.
Peyton of Yeovil, L.
Phillips of Ellesmere, L.
Pike, B.
Pilkington of Oxenford, L.
Plant of Highfield, L.
Ponsonby of Shulbrede, L.
Porter of Luddenham, L.
Prior, L.
Prys-Davies, L.
Quinton, L.
Quirk, L.
Ramsay of Cartvale, B.
Rankeillour, L.
Rathcavan, L.
Rathcreedan, L.
Rawlings, B.
Rawlinson of Ewell, L.
Rea, L.
Reay, L.
Redesdale, L.
Rees, L.
Renton, L.
Renton of Mount Harry, L.
Renwick, L.
Richard, L.
Richardson, L.
Ripon, Bp.
Robertson of Oakridge, L.
Robson of Kiddington, B.
Rochester, L.
Rosslyn, E.
Rotherwick, L.
Rowallan, L.
Ryder of Warsaw, B.
Sainsbury, L.
Saint Albans, D.
St. Davids, V.
St. John of Bletso, L.
St. John of Fawsley, L.
Saltoun of Abernethy, Ly.
Samuel, V.
Sanderson of Bowden, L.
Seccombe, B.
Sefton of Garston, L.
Selsdon, L.
Sempill, L.
Sewel, L.
Shannon, E.
Sharples, B.
Shaughnessy, L.
Shaw of Northstead, L.
Shepherd, L.
Shore of Stepney, L.
Shrewsbury, E.
Simon, V.
Simon of Glaisdale, L.
Skelmersdale, L.
Slim, V.
Slynn of Hadley, L.
Smith, L.
Smith of Gilmorehill, B.
Soulsby of Swaffham Prior, L.
Spens, L.
Stallard, L.
Stewartby, L.
Stockton, E.
Stodart of Leaston, L.
Stoddart of Swindon, L.
Stokes, L.
Strabolgi, L.
Strange, B.
Strathcarron, L.
Strathclyde, L.
Strathcona and Mount Royal, L.
Swansea, L.
Swinfen, L.
Swinton, E.
Taverne, L.
Taylor of Blackburn, L.
Taylor of Gryfe, L.
Taylor of Warwick, L.

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Tenby, V.
Terrington, L.
Teviot, L.
Thomas of Gwydir, L.
Thomas of Swynnerton, L.
Thomson of Monifieth, L.
Thurlow, L.
Tonypandy, V.
Tordoff, L.
Trefgarne, L.
Trumpington, B.
Turner of Camden, B.
Ullswater, V.
Varley, L.
Vivian, L.
Waddington, L.
Wade of Chorlton, L.
Wakeham, L.
Wallace of Saltaire, L.
Warnock, B.
Waverley, V.
Weatherill, L.
Wedgwood, L.
Westbury, L.
Whaddon, L.
Wharton, B.
Whitelaw, V.
Whitty, L.
Wigoder, L.
Wilberforce, L.
Wilcox, B.
Williams of Elvel, L.
Williams of Mostyn, L.
Wilson of Tillyorn, L.
Winston, L.
Wise, L.
Wyatt of Weeford, L.
Young, B.
Zouche of Haryngworth, L.

PRAYERS were read by the Lord Bishop of Lichfield.
1. Lord Patten—The Right Honourable John Haggitt Charles Patten, having been created Baron Patten, of Wincanton in the County of Somerset, for life by Letters Patent dated 17th June 1997 (see appendix), was introduced between the Lord Quinton and the Lord Harris of Peckham, the Gentleman Usher of the Black Rod and Garter King of Arms preceding; and took and subscribed the oath pursuant to statute.
2.Oaths—The Lords following took and subscribed the oath pursuant to statute:

Robert Lord Balfour of Burleigh
Christopher John Lord Rathcreedan
Fiennes Neil Wykeham Lord Cornwallis

Judicial Business

3.Foskett (suing on his own behalf and on behalf of all other purchasers of plots of land at Mount Eden, Herrado do Cerro Alto Diogo, Martins, Algarve, Portugal) (Petitioner) v. McKeown and others (Respondents) (lodged 16th June)—The petition of Paul Foskett praying for leave to appeal was presented and referred to an Appeal Committee.
4.Remilien (A.P.) (Appellant) v. Secretary of State for Social Security and another (Respondents)—The appeal was set down for hearing and referred to an Appellate Committee.


5.Command Papers—The following papers were presented to the House by command of Her Majesty and ordered to lie on the Table:
1.Finance—Equipping Britain for our long-term future: Financial Statement and Budget Report July 1997;
2.Museums and Galleries—Ministry of Defence Minute concerning the gifting of equipment to the Royal Artillery Museum.
6.Negative Instrument—The following instrument was laid before the House and ordered to lie on the Table:

Statute made by Trinity College, Cambridge on 14th March 1997, laid under the Universities of Oxford and Cambridge Act 1923.


7.Papers not subject to parliamentary proceedings—The following papers were laid before the House and ordered to lie on the Table:
1.Report and Accounts for 1996 of the Church Commissioners for England, laid under the Church Commissioners Measure 1947.

Public Business

8.Business of the House—It was moved by the Lord Privy Seal (Lord Richard) that the debate on the motion in the name of the Lord Elton set down for today shall be limited to 3 hours and that in the name of the Lord Vivian to 2½ hours; the motion was agreed to.
9.Youth Crime (3-hour debate)—It was moved by the Lord Elton that there be laid before the House papers relating to the importance of youth crime prevention initiatives; after debate, the motion was (by leave of the House) withdrawn.
10.Armed Forces (2½-hour debate)—It was moved by the Lord Vivian that there be laid before the House papers relating to the importance of the armed forces of the United Kingdom; after debate, the motion was (by leave of the House) withdrawn.
11.Bringing Acts of Parliament into Force—The Lord Nathan asked Her Majesty’s Government whether they intend during the current session to repeal or bring into force any and, if so, which of the provisions of the 69 Acts enacted up to 1992 specified in Bringing Acts of

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  Parliament Into Force (Cm 3595); what is their policy on bringing into force Acts enacted since 1992; and whether they intend in future legislation to limit the time within which it will be brought into force; the question was answered by the Lord McIntosh of Haringey.

The House was adjourned at sixteen minutes past nine o’clock
till tomorrow, three o’clock.


ELIZABETH THE SECOND by the Grace of God of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and of Our other Realms and Territories Queen Head of the Commonwealth Defender of the Faith To all Lords Spiritual and Temporal and all other Our Subjects whatsoever to whom these Presents shall come Greeting Know Ye that We of Our especial grace certain knowledge and mere motion in pursuance of the Life Peerages Act 1958 and of all other powers in that behalf Us enabling do by these Presents advance create and prefer Our right trusty and well beloved Counsellor John Haggitt Charles Patten to the state degree style dignity title and honour of Baron Patten of Wincanton in Our County of Somerset

And for Us Our heirs and successors do appoint give and grant unto him the said name state degree style dignity title and honour of Baron Patten to have and to hold unto him for his life

Willing and by these Presents granting for Us Our heirs and successors that he may have hold and possess a seat place and voice in the Parliaments and Public Assemblies and Councils of Us Our heirs and successors within Our United Kingdom amongst the Barons And also that he may enjoy and use all the rights privileges pre-eminences immunities and advantages to the degree of a Baron duly and of right belonging which Barons of Our United Kingdom have heretofore used and enjoyed or as they do at present use and enjoy

In Witness whereof We have caused these Our Letters to be made Patent Witness Ourself at Westminster the seventeenth day of June in the forty-sixth year of Our Reign