House of Lords Journal 231 (Session 1997-98)

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Tuesday 1 July 1997

The House met at half-past two o’clock.

The following Lords Spiritual and Temporal were present:

Irvine of Lairg, L.
(Lord Chancellor)

Aberdare, L.
Ackner, L.
Addington, L.
Addison, V.
Ailsa, M.
Alderdice, L.
Aldington, L.
Alexander of Tunis, E.
Alexander of Weedon, L.
Allenby of Megiddo, V.
Ampthill, L.
Anelay of St. Johns, B.
Annan, L.
Archer of Weston-Super-Mare, L.
Arran, E.
Ashbourne, L.
Ashley of Stoke, L.
Astor of Hever, L.
Attlee, E.
Avebury, L.
Baker of Dorking, L.
Baldwin of Bewdley, E.
Balfour, E.
Barber, L.
Barber of Tewkesbury, L.
Barnett, L.
Beaumont of Whitley, L.
Beaverbrook, L.
Belhaven and Stenton, L.
Beloff, L.
Berkeley, L.
Bethell, L.
Biddulph, L.
Blackstone, B.
Blake, L.
Blaker, L.
Blatch, B.
Blease, L.
Blyth, L.
Boardman, L.
Borrie, L.
Boston of Faversham, L.
Bowness, L.
Boyd-Carpenter, L.
Brabazon of Tara, L.
Bradford, E.
Braine of Wheatley, L.
Bramall, L.
Brentford, V.
Bridges, L.
Brightman, L.
Brigstocke, B.
Broadbridge, L.
Brooks of Tremorfa, L.
Brougham and Vaux, L.
Broughshane, L.
Bruce of Donington, L.
Bruntisfield, L.
Buccleuch and Queensberry, D.
Buckinghamshire, E.
Burnham, L.
Butterworth, L.
Byford, B.
Cadman, L.
Callaghan of Cardiff, L.
Calverley, L.
Campbell of Alloway, L.
Campbell of Croy, L.
Carlisle, E.
Carlisle, Bp.
Carmichael of Kelvingrove, L.
Carnarvon, E.
Carnegy of Lour, B.
Carnock, L.
Carrick, E.
Carter, L.
Carver, L.
Castle of Blackburn, B.
Chalfont, L.
Chalker of Wallasey, B.
Chandos, V.
Chapple, L.
Charteris of Amisfield, L.
Chesham, L.
Chorley, L.
Clancarty, E.
Clanwilliam, E.
Clark of Kempston, L.
Cledwyn of Penrhos, L.
Clinton-Davis, L.
Clwyd, L.
Clyde, L.
Cockfield, L.
Cocks of Hartcliffe, L.
Coleraine, L.
Coleridge, L.
Colwyn, L.
Constantine of Stanmore, L.
Cooke of Thorndon, L.
Courtown, E.
Cowley, E.
Cox, B.

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Craig of Radley, L.
Craigavon, V.
Cranborne, V.
Crathorne, L.
Crawshaw, L.
Crickhowell, L.
Croham, L.
Cross, V.
Cuckney, L.
Cullen of Ashbourne, L.
Cumberlege, B.
Currie of Marylebone, L.
Dahrendorf, L.
Dainton, L.
Darcy de Knayth, B.
David, B.
Davidson, V.
Davies, L.
De Freyne, L.
Dean of Beswick, L.
Dean of Harptree, L.
Dean of Thornton-le-Fylde, B.
Denbigh, E.
Denham, L.
Denton of Wakefield, B.
Derwent, L.
Desai, L.
Diamond, L.
Dixon-Smith, L.
Donaldson of Kingsbridge, L.
Dormand of Easington, L.
Downshire, M.
Eatwell, L.
Eden of Winton, L.
Effingham, E.
Elibank, L.
Elis-Thomas, L.
Elliott of Morpeth, L.
Elton, L.
Erroll, E.
Evans of Parkside, L.
Ewing of Kirkford, L.
Ezra, L.
Fairfax of Cameron, L.
Falconer of Thoroton, L.
Falkender, B.
Falkland, V.
Farrington of Ribbleton, B.
Feldman, L.
Ferrers, E.
Fitt, L.
Flather, B.
Flowers, L.
Foley, L.
Forbes, L.
Fraser of Carmyllie, L.
Freyberg, L.
Gage, V.
Gainford, L.
Gallacher, L.
Gardner of Parkes, B.
Geddes, L.
Geraint, L.
Gibson-Watt, L.
Gilbert, L.
Gillmore of Thamesfield, L.
Gisborough, L.
Gladwin of Clee, L.
Gladwyn, L.
Glasgow, E.
Glenamara, L.
Glentoran, L.
Gormanston, V.
Goschen, V.
Gould of Potternewton, B.
Graham of Edmonton, L.
Gray, L.
Gray of Contin, L.
Greene of Harrow Weald, L.
Greenhill of Harrow, L.
Greenway, L.
Gregson, L.
Grenfell, L.
Grey, E.
Grimston of Westbury, L.
Hacking, L.
Haddington, E.
Hailsham of Saint Marylebone, L.
Halsbury, E.
Hampden, V.
Hampton, L.
Hamwee, B.
Hankey, L.
Hanworth, V.
Hardie, L.
Harding of Petherton, L.
Hardwicke, E.
Harmar-Nicholls, L.
Harmsworth, L.
Harris of Greenwich, L.
Harrowby, E.
Haskel, L.
Hayhoe, L.
Hayman, B.
Hayter, L.
Headfort, M.
Healey, L.
Hemphill, L.
Henderson of Brompton, L.
Henley, L.
Henniker, L.
Hertford, M.
Hilton of Eggardon, B.
Hoffmann, L.
Holderness, L.
Hollis of Heigham, B.
Holme of Cheltenham, L.
HolmPatrick, L.
Hood, V.
Hooper, B.
Hooson, L.
Hope of Craighead, L.
Hothfield, L.
Howe, E.
Howie of Troon, L.
Hoyle, L.
Hughes, L.
Hunt, L.
Hunt of Tanworth, L.
Huntly, M.
Hylton, L.
Hylton-Foster, B.
Ilchester, E.
Inchcape, E.
Inchyra, L.
Inglewood, L.
Ironside, L.
Iveagh, E.
Jay of Paddington, B.
Jeffreys, L.
Jeger, B.
Jenkin of Roding, L.
Jenkins of Putney, L.
Johnston of Rockport, L.
Jopling, L.
Judd, L.
Kelvedon, L.
Kenilworth, L.
Kennet, L.
Kenyon, L.
Kilbracken, L.
Kilmarnock, L.
Kimball, L.
Kingsland, L.
Kinloss, Ly.
Kinnoull, E.
Kintore, E.
Kirkhill, L.
Kirkwood, L.
Knollys, V.
Lane of Horsell, L.
Lauderdale, E.
Lawrence, L.
Layton, L.
Leathers, V.
Leigh, L.
Lester of Herne Hill, L.
Lichfield, Bp.
Lindsay, E.
Liverpool, E.
Lockwood, B.
Lofthouse of Pontefract, L.
Long, V.
Longford, E.
Lovell-Davis, L.
Lowry, L.
Lucas, L.
Lucas of Chilworth, L.
Luke, L.
Lyell, L.
McCarthy, L.
McColl of Dulwich, L.
McConnell, L.
McGregor of Durris, L.
McIntosh of Haringey, L.
Mackay of Ardbrecknish, L.
Mackay of Drumadoon, L.
Mackie of Benshie, L.
MacLehose of Beoch, L.
Macleod of Borve, B.
McNair, L.
McNally, L.
Mallalieu, B.
Malmesbury, E.
Mar, C.
Mar and Kellie, E.
Marlborough, D.
Marlesford, L.
Marsh, L.
Masham of Ilton, B.
Mason of Barnsley, L.
Massereene and Ferrard, V.
Mayhew of Twysden, L.
Merlyn-Rees, L.
Merrivale, L.
Mersey, V.
Meston, L.

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Methuen, L.
Miller of Hendon, B.
Milner of Leeds, L.
Milverton, L.
Mishcon, L.
Molloy, L.
Molyneaux of Killhead, L.
Monckton of Brenchley, V.
Monkswell, L.
Monson, L.
Montagu of Beaulieu, L.
Montgomery of Alamein, V.
Moran, L.
Mottistone, L.
Mountevans, L.
Mountgarret, V.
Mowbray and Stourton, L.
Moynihan, L.
Munster, E.
Murray of Epping Forest, L.
Napier and Ettrick, L.
Nathan, L.
Nelson, E.
Nicol, B.
Noel-Buxton, L.
Norfolk, D.
Norrie, L.
Northbourne, L.
Northesk, E.
Norton, L.
O’Cathain, B.
Ogmore, L.
Oliver of Aylmerton, L.
Onslow, E.
Oppenheim-Barnes, B.
Oxfuird, V.
Palmer, L.
Park of Monmouth, B.
Paul, L.
Pearson of Rannoch, L.
Peel, E.
Pender, L.
Perry of Southwark, B.
Perry of Walton, L.
Perth, E.
Peston, L.
Peyton of Yeovil, L.
Pilkington of Oxenford, L.
Plant of Highfield, L.
Plummer of St. Marylebone, L.
Ponsonby of Shulbrede, L.
Powis, E.
Prys-Davies, L.
Quirk, L.
Ramsay of Cartvale, B.
Rankeillour, L.
Rathcavan, L.
Rawlings, B.
Rea, L.
Reay, L.
Redesdale, L.
Rees, L.
Rees-Mogg, L.
Renfrew of Kaimsthorn, L.
Rennell, L.
Renton, L.
Renwick, L.
Richard, L.
Richardson, L.
Robson of Kiddington, B.
Rochester, L.
Rodgers of Quarry Bank, L.
Rodney, L.
Rogers of Riverside, L.
Roll of Ipsden, L.
Romney, E.
Rotherwick, L.
Russell, E.
Sainsbury, L.
St. Davids, V.
St. John of Bletso, L.
St. John of Fawsley, L.
Saltoun of Abernethy, Ly.
Sanderson of Bowden, L.
Sandford, L.
Sandys, L.
Seccombe, B.
Sefton of Garston, L.
Selborne, E.
Sempill, L.
Serota, B.
Sewel, L.
Shannon, E.
Sharples, B.
Shaughnessy, L.
Shaw of Northstead, L.
Shepherd, L.
Shore of Stepney, L.
Simon, V.
Simon of Glaisdale, L.
Simon of Highbury, L.
Skelmersdale, L.
Slim, V.
Smith, L.
Smith of Gilmorehill, B.
Soper, L.
Soulsby of Swaffham Prior, L.
Spens, L.
Stafford, L.
Stallard, L.
Stanley of Alderley, L.
Steel of Aikwood, L.
Stewartby, L.
Stodart of Leaston, L.
Stoddart of Swindon, L.
Stokes, L.
Strabolgi, L.
Strafford, E.
Strange, B.
Strathcarron, L.
Strathclyde, L.
Strathcona and Mount Royal, L.
Strathmore and Kinghorne, E.
Suffolk and Berkshire, E.
Swansea, L.
Swinfen, L.
Swinton, E.
Symons of Vernham Dean, B.
Taylor of Blackburn, L.
Taylor of Gryfe, L.
Taylor of Warwick, L.
Tebbit, L.
Terrington, L.
Teviot, L.
Teynham, L.
Thomas of Gresford, L.
Thomas of Gwydir, L.
Thomson of Monifieth, L.
Thurlow, L.
Thurso, V.
Tope, L.
Tordoff, L.
Trefgarne, L.
Trumpington, B.
Turner of Camden, B.
Tweeddale, M.
Ullswater, V.
Varley, L.
Vinson, L.
Vivian, L.
Waddington, L.
Wade of Chorlton, L.
Walker of Worcester, L.
Wallace of Coslany, L.
Wallace of Saltaire, L.
Warnock, B.
Waverley, V.
Weatherill, L.
Wedderburn of Charlton, L.
Wedgwood, L.
Weidenfeld, L.
Westbury, L.
Whaddon, L.
Wharton, B.
Whitelaw, V.
Whitty, L.
Wigoder, L.
Williams of Elvel, L.
Williams of Mostyn, L.
Winchilsea and Nottingham, E.
Wise, L.
Wyatt of Weeford, L.
Young, B.
Young of Dartington, L.
Younger of Prestwick, L.

PRAYERS were read by the Lord Bishop of Lichfield.

1.Lord Kelvedon—The Right Honourable Henry Paul Guinness Channon, having been created Baron Kelvedon, of Ongar in the County of Essex, for life by Letters Patent dated in the afternoon of 11th June 1997 (see appendix), was introduced between the Lord Walker of Worcester and the Baroness Rawlings, the Gentleman Usher of the Black Rod and Garter King of Arms preceding; and took and subscribed the oath pursuant to statute.
2.Oath—John Patrick Edward Chandos Lord Hartismere (Lord Henniker) took and subscribed the oath pursuant to statute.

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Judicial Business

3.Clydesdale Bank plc (Respondents) v. Davidson (A.P.) (Appellant) and others (First appeal) (Scotland)—
4.Clydesdale Bank plc (Respondents) v. Davidson (A.P.) (Appellant) and others (Second appeal) (Scotland)—

(Consolidated appeals)—

The appeal was set down for hearing and referred to an Appellate Committee.

5.Remilien (A.P.) (Appellant) v. Secretary of State for Social Security and another (Respondents)—The appellant’s legal aid certificate was lodged.
6.Appeal Committee—The 12th Report from the Appeal Committee was agreed to and the following Orders were made—

Moore and another (Petitioners) v. Gadd and another (Respondents)—That leave to appeal be refused; that the respondents be at liberty to apply for their costs in accordance with direction 5.1(d) and if the application is granted, that the amount thereof be certified by the Clerk of the Parliaments if not agreed between the parties.

Wallace Bogan & Co. (Petitioners) v. Cove and others (Respondents)—That leave to appeal be refused; that the respondents be at liberty to apply for their costs in accordance with direction 5.1(d) and if the application is granted, that the amount thereof be certified by the Clerk of the Parliaments if not agreed between the parties.

Regina v. Westminster City Council and others and the Secretary of State for Health (Petitioner) ex parte A, P, M and X (Respondents)—That the respondents be invited to lodge objections by 15th July next.

Regina v. Westminster City Council (Petitioners) ex parte A (Respondent)—That the respondent be invited to lodge objections by 15th July next.

Regina v. Secretary of State for the Environment (Petitioner) ex parte Council of the London Borough of Camden (Respondents)—That the respondents be invited to lodge objections by 15th July next.

Regina v. Choudhary (Petitioner)—That leave to appeal be refused.


7.Negative Instruments—The following instruments were laid before the House and ordered to lie on the Table:
1.Salaries (Comptroller and Auditor General) Order (Northern Ireland) 1997, laid under the Audit (Northern Ireland) Order 1987;
2.Licensing (Conditions for Mixed Trading) Regulations (Northern Ireland) 1997, laid under the Northern Ireland Act 1974;
3.Police Act 1997 (Provisions in relation to the NCIS Service Authority) (No. 1) Order 1997, laid under the Police Act 1997;
4.Statutes made by—
(i)St. Hilda’s College, Oxford on 26th February 1997—
(ii)Somerville College, Oxford on 5th March 1997—
 laid under the Universities of Oxford and Cambridge Act 1923.
8.Papers not subject to parliamentary proceedings—The following papers were laid before the House and ordered to lie on the Table:
1.Report for 1996 by the Department of Transport and the Welsh Office, laid under the New Roads and Street Works Act 1991;
2.Accounts for 1996–97 of the Police Complaints Authority, together with the report of the Comptroller and Auditor General, laid under the Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1984;
3.Report and accounts for 1996–97 of the Castle Vale Housing Action Trust, laid under the Housing Act 1988;
4.Report for 1996 of the Scottish Examination Board, laid under the Scottish Examination Board Regulations 1981;
5.Report for 1996 on Insurance, laid under the Insurance Companies Act 1982.

Private Business

9.Imperial College Bill—The bill was read a second time and committed to an Unopposed Bill Committee.

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Select Committee Reports

10.European Communities—The 2nd Report from the Select Committee, on Community Environmental Law: Making it Work, was made; it was ordered that the Report be printed. (HL Paper 12)
11.Statutory Instruments—The 5th Report from the Joint Committee was made on certain statutory instruments, including the following affirmative instruments:
 Food Protection (Emergency Prohibition) (Paralytic Shellfish Poisoning) Order 1997;
 Draft European Communities (Definition of Treaties) (Framework Cooperation Agreement between the European Community and its Member States and the Republic of Chile) Order 1997;
 Draft European Communities (Definition of Treaties) (Euro-Mediterranean Agreement Establishing an Association between the European Communities and their Member States and the Kingdom of Morocco) Order 1997;
 Draft European Communities (Definition of Treaties) (Inter-regional Framework Co-operation Agreement between the European Community and its Member States and the Southern Common Market and its Party States) Order 1997;
 Draft Scottish Seed Potato Development Council (Dissolution) Order 1997;
 Draft Allocation of Housing (Reasonable and Additional Preference) Regulations 1997;
 Draft Supply of Beer (Tied Estate) (Amendment) Order 1997;

it was ordered that the Report be printed. (HL Paper 13)

Public Business

12.Referendums (Scotland and Wales) Bill—The House resolved itself into a Committee upon the bill; amendments were moved and (by leave of the Committee) withdrawn; the House was resumed.
13.Nagorno Karabakh and Azerbaijan—The Baroness Cox asked Her Majesty’s Government what is their position with regard to the relationship between the principles of self-determination and territorial integrity, with particular reference to the resolution of the conflict between Nagorno Karabakh and Azerbaijan; after debate, the question was answered by the Lord Whitty.

The House was adjourned during pleasure.
The House was resumed.

14.Referendums (Scotland and Wales) Bill—The House again resolved itself into a Committee upon the bill; amendments were moved and (by leave of the Committee) withdrawn; the House was resumed after amendment 8.

The House was adjourned at ten minutes past ten o’clock
till tomorrow, half-past two o’clock.


ELIZABETH THE SECOND by the Grace of God of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and of Our other Realms and Territories Queen Head of the Commonwealth Defender of the Faith To all Lords Spiritual and Temporal and all other Our Subjects whatsoever to whom these Presents shall come Greeting Know Ye that We of Our especial grace certain knowledge and mere motion in pursuance of the Life Peerages Act 1958 and of all other powers in that behalf Us enabling do by these Presents advance create and prefer Our right trusty and well beloved Counsellor Henry Paul Guinness Channon to the state degree style dignity title and honour of Baron Kelvedon of Ongar in Our County of Essex

And for Us Our heirs and successors do appoint give and grant unto him the said name state degree style dignity title and honour of Baron Kelvedon to have and to hold unto him for his life

Willing and by these Presents granting for Us Our heirs and successors that he may have hold and possess a seat place and voice in the Parliaments and Public Assemblies and Councils of Us Our heirs and successors within Our United Kingdom amongst the Barons And also that he may enjoy and use all the rights privileges pre-eminences immunities and advantages to the degree of a Baron duly and of right belonging which Barons of Our United Kingdom have heretofore used and enjoyed or as they do at present use and enjoy

In Witness whereof We have caused these Our Letters to be made Patent Witness Ourself at Westminster in the afternoon of the eleventh day of June in the forty-sixth year of Our Reign