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Lord Molyneaux of Killead: My Lords, conscious of the urgency and importance of subsequent business, and of the indication given by the noble Lord, Lord Tebbit, that he may wish to test the opinion of the House, I beg leave to withdraw Amendment No. 1.

Amendment, by leave, withdrawn.

Lord Tebbit moved Amendment No. 2:


Page 1, line 23, at end insert (", but no application by a prisoner who is or has been a supporter of a terrorist or proscribed organisation shall be processed before any application made by a prisoner who is a member of the naval, military or air forces of the Crown serving a sentence of imprisonment in respect of a conviction for murder committed in the course of his duties in Northern Ireland").

The noble Lord said: My Lords, I believe it is within my right just to reply briefly to the noble Lord; and I shall do so if I may. I believe that the strength of a case is normally in inverse relation to the length of the speech making the case. The fact is that if the two guardsmen are released by the end of August there will be no application for the amendment. There will be no problems to it. The problem with the humble Address route is that the humble Address will land on the desk of the Secretary of State, who gave her view last October that the guardsmen had not served sufficiently long in prison. What is more, the Prime Minister said on 3rd June in the other place that the Secretary of State would start to look at the applications for release of the guardsmen that day. In fact, as the noble Lord, Lord Dubs, told us, she did not do so until 6th July. So we cannot accept that there is any degree of urgency in the consideration.

The fact is also that it is inconceivable that if the guardsmen are not released by the hand of the Secretary of State their applications under the Bill would be

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refused. It stands out absolutely clearly that they would not be refused. Despite all the bureaucratic objections--I understand well enough what the Minister was saying--this amendment would make sure that, in the event that the Secretary of State does not release the guardsmen--for obvious reasons, the noble Lord cannot guarantee that she will--their applications would be dealt with as a priority. I cannot, I fear, withdraw the amendment. I beg to move.

5.2 p.m.

On Question, Whether the said amendment (No. 2) shall be agreed to?

Their Lordships divided: Contents, 156; Not-Contents, 213.

Division No. 2

CONTENTS

Aberdare, L.
Ailsa, M.
Aldenham, L.
Aldington, L.
Anelay of St. Johns, B.
Astor of Hever, L.
Attlee, E.
Barber of Tewkesbury, L.
Beaverbrook, L.
Belhaven and Stenton, L.
Beloff, L.
Berners, B.
Biddulph, L.
Biffen, L.
Blake, L.
Blatch, B. [Teller.]
Bledisloe, V.
Brabazon of Tara, L.
Braine of Wheatley, L.
Brookeborough, V.
Brougham and Vaux, L.
Burnham, L.
Burton, L.
Butterworth, L.
Buxton of Alsa, L.
Byford, B.
Cadman, L.
Caldecote, V.
Campbell of Croy, L.
Carnegy of Lour, B.
Chadlington, L.
Chesham, L.
Clark of Kempston, L.
Coleridge, L.
Cope of Berkeley, L.
Cork and Orrery, E.
Cottesloe, L.
Courtown, E.
Cowdrey of Tonbridge, L.
Cranborne, V.
Cross, V.
Cumberlege, B.
Dacre of Glanton, L.
Dartmouth, E.
Davidson, V.
De L'Isle, V.
Dean of Harptree, L.
Denbigh, E.
Dixon-Smith, L.
Donegall, M.
Downshire, M.
Dundonald, E.
Dunleath, L.
Elibank, L.
Ellenborough, L.
Elliott of Morpeth, L.
Exmouth, V.
Ferrers, E.
Fraser of Carmyllie, L.
Freyberg, L.
Gage, V.
Gardner of Parkes, B.
Geddes, L.
Grafton, D.
Grantley, L.
Gray of Contin, L.
Hamilton of Dalzell, L.
Harmar-Nicholls, L.
Harmsworth, L.
Harris of Peckham, L.
Hemphill, L.
Home, E.
Inchyra, L.
Ironside, L.
Jenkin of Roding, L.
Jopling, L.
Kelvedon, L.
Kenyon, L.
Kinnoull, E.
Knight of Collingtree, B.
Knutsford, V.
Lang of Monkton, L.
Lauderdale, E.
Long, V.
Luke, L.
McColl of Dulwich, L.
Mackay of Ardbrecknish, L.
Macleod of Borve, B.
Manton, L.
Mar, C.
Marlesford, L.
Masham of Ilton, B.
Massereene and Ferrard, V.
Mersey, V.
Middleton, L.
Miller of Hendon, B.
Milverton, L.
Molyneaux of Killead, L.
Monson, L.
Mountgarret, V.
Mowbray and Stourton, L.
Moynihan, L.
Munster, E.
Nelson, E.
O'Cathain, B.
Onslow, E. [Teller.]
Onslow of Woking, L.
Oppenheim-Barnes, B.
Orr-Ewing, L.
Peel, E.
Pender, L.
Peyton of Yeovil, L.
Pike, B.
Pilkington of Oxenford, L.
Plummer of St. Marylebone, L.
Quinton, L.
Rankeillour, L.
Rathcavan, L.
Rawlings, B.
Rees, L.
Renton of Mount Harry, L.
Renwick, L.
Roberts of Conwy, L.
Romney, E.
Rotherwick, L.
Rowallan, L.
Seccombe, B.
Selkirk of Douglas, L.
Sempill, L.
Skelmersdale, L.
Soulsby of Swaffham Prior, L.
Stair, E.
Stanley of Alderley, L.
Stodart of Leaston, L.
Strafford, E.
Strange, B.
Strathcarron, L.
Strathclyde, L.
Suffolk and Berkshire, E.
Taylor of Warwick, L.
Tebbit, L.
Teviot, L.
Teynham, L.
Thomas of Gwydir, L.
Thomas of Swynnerton, L.
Tollemache, L.
Tombs, L.
Torphichen, L.
Trefgarne, L.
Trumpington, B.
Waddington, L.
Wakeham, L.
Waterford, M.
Willoughby de Broke, L.
Wynford, L.
Young, B.

NOT-CONTENTS

Addington, L.
Ailesbury, M.
Alderdice, L.
Alli, L.
Amos, B.
Ampthill, L.
Annan, L.
Archer of Sandwell, L.
Ashley of Stoke, L.
Barnett, L.
Bath and Wells, Bp.
Beaumont of Whitley, L.
Berkeley, L.
Blackstone, B.
Blease, L.
Borrie, L.
Bridges, L.
Brightman, L.
Brooke of Alverthorpe, L.
Brooks of Tremorfa, L.
Broughshane, L.
Bruntisfield, L.
Burlison, L.
Callaghan of Cardiff, L.
Campbell of Alloway, L.
Carew, L.
Carlisle, E.
Carmichael of Kelvingrove, L.
Carter, L. [Teller.]
Castle of Blackburn, B.
Cledwyn of Penrhos, L.
Clement-Jones, L.
Craig of Radley, L.
Currie of Marylebone, L.
Davies of Coity, L.
Davies of Oldham, L.
Dean of Beswick, L.
Dean of Thornton-le-Fylde, B.
Dearing, L.
Denton of Wakefield, B.
Derwent, L.
Desai, L.
Dholakia, L.
Diamond, L.
Dilhorne, V.
Dixon, L.
Donoughue, L.
Dormand of Easington, L.
Dubs, L.
Eatwell, L.
Ely, Bp.
Evans of Parkside, L.
Ewing of Kirkford, L.
Ezra, L.
Falconer of Thoroton, L.
Falkland, V.
Farrington of Ribbleton, B.
Gallacher, L.
Gilbert, L.
Gisborough, L.
Gladwin of Clee, L.
Gladwyn, L.
Glenarthur, L.
Glentoran, L.
Gordon of Strathblane, L.
Gould of Potternewton, B.
Graham of Edmonton, L.
Grantchester, L.
Gregson, L.
Grenfell, L.
Grey, E.
Habgood, L.
Hacking, L.
Halsbury, E.
Hampton, L.
Hamwee, B.
Hardie, L.
Hardy of Wath, L.
Harris of Greenwich, L.
Haskel, L.
Hattersley, L.
Hayman, B.
Hayter, L.
Henderson of Brompton, L.
Hilton of Eggardon, B.
Hogg of Cumbernauld, L.
Holderness, L.
Hollick, L.
Hollis of Heigham, B.
Hooson, L.
Hope of Craighead, L.
Hoyle, L.
Hughes, L.
Hughes of Woodside, L.
Hunt of Kings Heath, L.
Hylton, L.
Irvine of Lairg, L. [Lord Chancellor.]
Islwyn, L.
Janner of Braunstone, L.
Jay of Paddington, B.
Jenkins of Hillhead, L.
Jenkins of Putney, L.
Judd, L.
Kennedy of The Shaws, B.
Kennet, L.
Kilbracken, L.
Kirkwood, L.
Knollys, V.
Lester of Herne Hill, L.
Lichfield, Bp.
Lincoln, Bp.
Lockwood, B.
Lofthouse of Pontefract, L.
Lovell-Davis, L.
Ludford, B.
McIntosh of Haringey, L. [Teller.]
Mackenzie of Framwellgate, L.
Mackie of Benshie, L.
McNally, L.
Maddock, B.
Mallalieu, B.
Manchester, Bp.
Mar and Kellie, E.
Mason of Barnsley, L.
Merlyn-Rees, L.
Meston, L.
Methuen, L.
Milner of Leeds, L.
Minto, E.
Mishcon, L.
Monkswell, L.
Montagu of Beaulieu, L.
Montague of Oxford, L.
Morris of Castle Morris, L.
Morris of Manchester, L.
Murray of Epping Forest, L.
Napier and Ettrick, L.
Newall, L.
Newton of Braintree, L.
Nicholson of Winterbourne, B.
Ogmore, L.
Orme, L.
Parry, L.
Paul, L.
Peston, L.
Pitkeathley, B.
Plant of Highfield, L.
Plumb, L.
Ponsonby of Shulbrede, L.
Puttnam, L.
Radnor, E.
Ramsay of Cartvale, B.
Randall of St. Budeaux, L.
Razzall, L.
Rea, L.
Redesdale, L.
Rendell of Babergh, B.
Renfrew of Kaimsthorn, L.
Renton, L.
Renwick of Clifton, L.
Richard, L. [Lord Privy Seal.]
Ridley, V.
Rochester, L.
Rodgers of Quarry Bank, L.
Rogers of Riverside, L.
Russell, E.
Saltoun of Abernethy, Ly.
Sandberg, L.
Sandwich, E.
Sefton of Garston, L.
Serota, B.
Sewel, L.
Sharples, B.
Shepherd, L.
Shore of Stepney, L.
Simon, V.
Simon of Glaisdale, L.
Simon of Highbury, L.
Smith of Clifton, L.
Southwell, Bp.
Stallard, L.
Steel of Aikwood, L.
Strabolgi, L.
Symons of Vernham Dean, B.
Taverne, L.
Taylor of Blackburn, L.
Taylor of Gryfe, L.
Thomas of Macclesfield, L.
Thomson of Monifieth, L.
Thurlow, L.
Tomlinson, L.
Tope, L.
Tordoff, L.
Tugendhat, L.
Turner of Camden, B.
Varley, L.
Vivian, L.
Walker of Doncaster, L.
Wallace of Coslany, L.
Wallace of Saltaire, L.
Watson of Invergowrie, L.
Waverley, V.
Wedderburn of Charlton, L.
Westbury, L.
Whaddon, L.
Whitty, L.
Wigoder, L.
Williams of Crosby, B.
Williams of Elvel, L.
Williams of Mostyn, L.
Winchester, Bp.
Windlesham, L.
Young of Old Scone, B.

Resolved in the negative, and amendment disagreed to accordingly.

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5.14 p.m.

Lord Dubs moved Amendment No. 3:


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