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Baroness Hamwee: My Lords, I, too, have a reservation about this. It seems to me that if one has a cut-off period, whatever the period is, one plays the game by the rules set. If one happens to come close to the edge, costs and so on will fall where they fall.

Lord Lucas: My Lords, I appreciate what the noble Lord, Lord Strabolgi, said both in his praise for the quality of some of the London estates and the fact that they give us some of the most pleasant environments of any European city; and what he said about the future and the importance of people being able to own their own homes and do as they wish with them. The two are to some extent mutually exclusive. As the noble Lord recognises, we have moved some way from one towards the other over the past few years. At some stage perhaps some government will move further.

I agree with the noble Lord, Lord Dubs, that the amendments are tabled much later than I should like to have seen. I assure the noble Lord that the recent changes have been minor. We have not made major changes to the amendment. Nevertheless, it is a long amendment which contains many references to other legislation. It needs much examination and consideration. I apologise for the difficulty under which it will place the noble Lord in seriously criticising it. If he has any problems with the wording, I can assure him that my time and that of my officials is at his disposal to go through it. That is the best I can do in the time that remains for us.

That said, it is a desirable change, given the length of time that we leave before the provision comes into effect. There will be plenty of time for those nearing the end of their leases to make the necessary arrangements to begin the enfranchisement procedure without making themselves liable for paying what in some cases may be quite hefty rent for the year or two it takes the enfranchisement procedure to go through if they fail at the end to raise the necessary capital to buy the freehold. I understand the picture painted by the noble Lord, Lord Strabolgi, but, given that we are leaving it until 1999 for the legislation to become effective, there will be plenty of time for people to take the necessary action. It is worthwhile making the change to prevent what shows signs of becoming a tiresome abuse.

On Question, amendment agreed to.

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Lord Lucas moved Amendment No. 163:


After Schedule 10, insert the following new schedule--

("SCHEDULE
Compensation for postponement in connection with ineffective claims
Claims under Part I of the Leasehold Reform Act 1967

1.--(1) After section 27 of the Leasehold Reform Act 1967 there shall be inserted--
"Compensation for postponement of termination in connection with ineffective claims.
27A.--(1) This section applies where, on or after 15th January 1999--
(a) a tenant of any property makes a claim to acquire the freehold or an extended lease of it, and
(b) the claim is not made at least two years before the term date of the tenancy in respect of which the claim is made ("the existing tenancy").
(2) The tenant shall be liable to pay compensation if the claim is not effective and--
(a) the making of the claim caused a notice served under paragraph 4(1) of Schedule 10 to the Local Government and Housing Act 1989 to cease to have effect and the date on which the claim ceases to have effect is later than four months before the termination date specified in the notice,
(b) the making of the claim prevented the service of an effective notice under paragraph 4(1) of Schedule 10 to the Local Government and Housing Act 1989 (but did not cause a notice served under that provision to cease to have effect) and the date on which the claim ceases to have effect is a date later than six months before the term date of the tenancy, or
(c) the existing tenancy is continued under paragraph 3(1) of Schedule 3 to this Act by virtue of the claim.
(3) Compensation under subsection (2) above shall become payable at the end of the appropriate period and be the right of the person who is the tenant's immediate landlord at that time.
(4) The amount which the tenant is liable to pay under subsection (2) above shall be equal to the difference between--
(a) the rent for the appropriate period under the existing tenancy, and
(b) the rent which might reasonably be expected to be payable for that period were the property to which the existing tenancy relates let for a term equivalent to that period on the open market by a willing landlord on the following assumptions--
(i) that no premium is payable in connection with the letting,
(ii) that the letting confers no security of tenure, and
(iii) that, except as otherwise provided by this paragraph, the letting is on the same terms as the existing tenancy.
(5) For the purposes of subsection (2) above, a claim to acquire the freehold or an extended lease is not effective if it ceases to have effect for any reason other than--
(a) the acquisition in pursuance of the claim of the interest to which it relates, or
(b) the lapsing of the claim under any provision of this Act excluding the tenant's liability for costs.
(6) For the purposes of subsections (3) and (4) above, the appropriate period is--
(a) in a case falling within paragraph (a) of subsection (2) above, the period--
(i) beginning with the termination date specified in the notice mentioned in that paragraph, and

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(ii) ending with the earliest date of termination which could have been specified in a notice under paragraph 4(1) of Schedule 10 to the Local Government and Housing Act 1989 served immediately after the date on which the claim ceases to have effect, or, if the existing tenancy is terminated before then, with the date of its termination;
(b) in a case falling within paragraph (b) of subsection (2) above, the period--
(i) beginning with the later of six months from the date on which the claim is made and the term date of the existing tenancy, and
(ii) ending six months after the date on which the claim ceases to have effect, or, if the existing tenancy is terminated before then, with the date of its termination; and
(c) in a case falling within paragraph (c) of subsection (2) above, the period for which the existing tenancy is continued under paragraph 3(1) of Schedule 3 to this Act.
(7) For the purposes of this section--
(a) references to a claim to acquire the freehold or an extended lease shall be taken as references to a notice of a person's desire to acquire it under Part I of this Act and as including a claim made by a tenant not entitled to acquire it, and
(b) references to the date on which a claim ceases to have effect shall, in relation to a notice which is not a valid notice, be taken as references to the date on which the notice is set aside by the court or withdrawn or would, if valid, cease to have effect, that date being taken, where the notice is set aside, or would (if valid) cease to have effect, in consequence of a court order, to be the date when the order becomes final.
Modification of section 27A where change in immediate reversion.
27B.--(1) Where a tenant's liability to pay compensation under section 27A above relates to a period during which there has been a change in the interest immediately expectant on the determination of his tenancy, that section shall have effect with the following modifications.
(2) For subsections (3) and (4) there shall be substituted--
"(3) Compensation under subsection (2) above shall become payable at the end of the appropriate period and there shall be a separate right to compensation in respect of each of the interests which, during that period, have been immediately expectant on the determination of the existing tenancy.
(4) Compensation under subsection (2) above shall--
(a) in the case of the interest which is immediately expectant on the determination of the existing tenancy at the end of the appropriate period, be the right of the person in whom that interest is vested at that time, and
(b) in the case of an interest which ceases during the appropriate period to be immediately expectant on the determination of the existing tenancy, be the right of the person in whom the interest was vested immediately before it ceased to be so expectant.
(4A) The amount which the tenant is liable to pay under subsection (2) above in respect of any interest shall be equal to the difference between--
(a) the rent under the existing tenancy for the part of the appropriate period during which the interest was immediately expectant on the determination of that tenancy, and
(b) the rent which might reasonably be expected to be payable for that part of that period were the property to which the existing tenancy relates let for a term

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equivalent to that part of that period on the open market by a willing landlord on the following assumptions--
(i) that no premium is payable in connection with the letting,
(ii) that the letting confers no security of tenure, and
(iii) that, except as otherwise provided by this paragraph, the letting is on the same terms as the existing tenancy."
(3) In subsection (6), for "(3) and (4)" there shall be substituted "(3) to (4A)"."
(2) In section 21(1) of that Act (matters to be determined by leasehold valuation tribunal), after paragraph (c) there shall be inserted--
"(ca) the amount of any compensation payable under section 27A;".
Claims under Chapter I of Part I of the Leasehold Reform, Housing and Urban Development Act 1993

2.--(1) After section 37 of the Leasehold Reform, Housing and Urban Development Act 1993 there shall be inserted--
"Landlord's right to compensation in relation to ineffective claims.
Compensation for postponement of termination in connection with ineffective claims.
37A.--(1) This section applies where a claim to exercise the right to collective enfranchisement in respect of any premises is made on or after 15th January 1999 by tenants of flats contained in the premises and the claim is not effective.
(2) A person who is a participating tenant immediately before the claim ceases to have effect shall be liable to pay compensation if--
(a) the claim was not made at least two years before the term date of the lease by virtue of which he is a qualifying tenant ("the existing lease"), and
(b) any of the conditions mentioned in subsection (3) is met.
(3) The conditions referred to above are--
(a) that the making of the claim caused a notice served under paragraph 4(1) of Schedule 10 to the Local Government and Housing Act 1989 in respect of the existing lease to cease to have effect and the date on which the claim ceases to have effect is later than four months before the termination date specified in the notice,
(b) that the making of the claim prevented the service of an effective notice under paragraph 4(1) of Schedule 10 to the Local Government and Housing Act 1989 in respect of the existing lease (but did not cause a notice served under that provision in respect of that lease to cease to have effect) and the date on which the claim ceases to have effect is a date later than six months before the term date of the existing lease, and
(c) that the existing lease has been continued under paragraph 6(1) of Schedule 3 by virtue of the claim.
(4) Compensation under subsection (2) shall become payable at the end of the appropriate period and be the right of the person who is the tenant's immediate landlord at that time.
(5) The amount which a tenant is liable to pay under subsection (2) shall be equal to the difference between--
(a) the rent for the appropriate period under the existing lease, and
(b) the rent which might reasonably be expected to be payable for that period were the property to which the existing lease relates let for a term equivalent to that period on the open market by a willing landlord on the following assumptions--
(i) that no premium is payable in connection with the letting,

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(ii) that the letting confers no security of tenure, and
(iii) that, except as otherwise provided by this paragraph, the letting is on the same terms as the existing lease.
(6) For the purposes of subsections (4) and (5), the appropriate period is--
(a) in a case falling within paragraph (a) of subsection (3), the period--
(i) beginning with the termination date specified in the notice mentioned in that paragraph, and
(ii) ending with the earliest date of termination which could have been specified in a notice under paragraph 4(1) of Schedule 10 to the Local Government and Housing Act 1989 in respect of the existing lease served immediately after the date on which the claim ceases to have effect, or, if the existing lease is terminated before then, with the date of its termination;
(b) in a case falling within paragraph (b) of subsection (3), the period--
(i) beginning with the later of six months from the date on which the claim is made and the term date of the existing lease, and
(ii) ending six months after the date on which the claim ceases to have effect, or, if the existing lease is terminated before then, with the date of its termination; and
(c) in a case falling within paragraph (c) of subsection (3), the period for which the existing lease is continued under paragraph 6(1) of Schedule 3.
(7) In the case of a person who becomes a participating tenant by virtue of an election under section 14(3), the references in subsections (3)(a) and (b) and (6)(b)(i) to the making of the claim shall be construed as references to the making of the election.
(8) For the purposes of this section--
(a) references to a claim to exercise the right to collective enfranchisement shall be taken as references to a notice given, or purporting to be given (whether by persons who are qualifying tenants or not), under section 13,
(b) references to the date on which a claim ceases to have effect shall, in the case of a claim made by a notice which is not a valid notice under section 13, be taken as references to the date on which the notice is set aside by the court or is withdrawn or would, if valid, cease to have effect or be deemed to have been withdrawn, that date being taken, where the notice is set aside, or would, if valid, cease to have effect, in consequence of a court order, to be the date when the order becomes final, and
(c) a claim to exercise the right to collective enfranchisement is not effective if it ceases to have effect for any reason other than--
(i) the application of section 23(4), 30(4) or 31(4),
(ii) the entry into a binding contract for the acquisition of the freehold and other interests falling to be acquired in pursuance of the claim, or
(iii) the making of an order under section 24(4)(a) or (b) or 25(6)(a) or (b) which provides for the vesting of those interests.
Modification of section 37A where change in immediate reversion.
37B.--(1) Where a tenant's liability to pay compensation under section 37A relates to a period during which there has been a change in the interest immediately expectant on the determination of his lease, that section shall have effect with the following modifications.

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(2) For subsections (4) and (5) there shall be substituted--
"(4) Compensation under subsection (2) shall become payable at the end of the appropriate period and there shall be a separate right to compensation in respect of each of the interests which, during that period, have been immediately expectant on the determination of the existing lease.
(5) Compensation under subsection (2) above shall--
(a) in the case of the interest which is immediately expectant on the determination of the existing lease at the end of the appropriate period, be the right of the person in whom that interest is vested at that time, and
(b) in the case of an interest which ceases during the appropriate period to be immediately expectant on the determination of the existing lease, be the right of the person in whom the interest was vested immediately before it ceased to be so expectant.
(5A) The amount which the tenant is liable to pay under subsection (2) above in respect of any interest shall be equal to the difference between--
(a) the rent under the existing lease for the part of the appropriate period during which the interest was immediately expectant on the determination of that lease, and
(b) the rent which might reasonably be expected to be payable for that part of that period were the property to which the existing lease relates let for a term equivalent to that part of that period on the open market by a willing landlord on the following assumptions--
(i) that no premium is payable in connection with the letting,
(ii) that the letting confers no security of tenure, and
(iii) that, except as otherwise provided by this paragraph, the letting is on the same terms as the existing lease."
(3) In subsection (6), for "(4) and (5)" there shall be substituted "(4) to (5A)"."
(2) In section 91(2) of that Act (matters to be determined by leasehold valuation tribunal), after paragraph (c) there shall be inserted--
"(ca) the amount of any compensation payable under section 37A;".
Claims under Chapter II of Part I of the Leasehold Reform, Housing and Urban Development Act 1993

3.--(1) After section 61 of the Leasehold Reform, Housing and Urban Development Act 1993 there shall be inserted--
"Landlord's right to compensation in relation to ineffective claims.
Compensation for postponement of termination in connection with ineffective claims.
61A.--(1) This section applies where, on or after 15th January 1999--
(a) a tenant of a flat makes a claim to acquire a new lease of the flat, and
(b) the claim is not made at least two years before the term date of the lease in respect of which the claim is made ("the existing lease").
(2) The tenant shall be liable to pay compensation if the claim is not effective and--
(a) the making of the claim caused a notice served under paragraph 4(1) of Schedule 10 to the Local Government and Housing Act 1989 to cease to have effect and the date on which the claim ceases to have effect is later than four months before the termination date specified in the notice,

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(b) the making of the claim prevented the service of an effective notice under paragraph 4(1) of Schedule 10 to the Local Government and Housing Act 1989 (but did not cause a notice served under that provision to cease to have effect) and the date on which the claim ceases to have effect is a date later than six months before the term date of the existing lease, or
(c) the existing lease is continued under paragraph 5(1) of Schedule 12 by virtue of the claim.
(3) Compensation under subsection (2) shall become payable at the end of the appropriate period and be the right of the person who is the tenant's immediate landlord at that time.
(4) The amount which the tenant is liable to pay under subsection (2) shall be equal to the difference between--
(a) the rent for the appropriate period under the existing lease, and
(b) the rent which might reasonably be expected to be payable for that period were the property to which the existing lease relates let for a term equivalent to that period on the open market by a willing landlord on the following assumptions--
(i) that no premium is payable in connection with the letting,
(ii) that the letting confers no security of tenure, and
(iii) that, except as otherwise provided by this paragraph, the letting is on the same terms as the existing lease.
(5) For the purposes of subsections (3) and (4), the appropriate period is--
(a) in a case falling within paragraph (a) of subsection (2), the period--
(i) beginning with the termination date specified in the notice mentioned in that paragraph, and
(ii) ending with the earliest date of termination which could have been specified in a notice under paragraph 4(1) of Schedule 10 to the Local Government and Housing Act 1989 served immediately after the date on which the claim ceases to have effect, or, if the existing lease is terminated before then, with the date on which it is terminated;
(b) in a case falling within paragraph (b) of subsection (2), the period--
(i) beginning with the later of six months from the date on which the claim is made and the term date of the existing lease, and
(ii) ending six months after the date on which the claim ceases to have effect, or, if the existing lease is terminated before then, with the date of its termination; and
(c) in a case falling within paragraph (c) of subsection (2), the period for which the existing lease is continued under paragraph 5(1) of Schedule 12.
(6) For the purposes of subsection (2), a claim to a new lease is not effective if it ceases to have effect for any reason other than--
(a) the application of section 47(1) or 55(2), or
(b) the acquisition of the new lease in pursuance of the claim.
(7) For the purposes of this section--
(a) references to a claim to acquire a new lease shall be taken as references to a notice given, or purporting to be given (whether by a qualifying tenant or not), under section 42, and
(b) references to the date on which a claim ceases to have effect shall, in the case of a claim made by a notice which is not a valid notice under section 42, be taken as references to the date on which the notice is set aside by the court or is withdrawn or would, if valid,

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cease to have effect or be deemed to have been withdrawn, that date being taken, where the notice is set aside, or would, if valid, cease to have effect, in consequence of a court order, to be the date when the order becomes final.
Modification of section 61A where change in immediate reversion.
61B.--(1) Where a tenant's liability to pay compensation under section 61A relates to a period during which there has been a change in the interest immediately expectant on the determination of his lease, that section shall have effect with the following modifications.
(2) For subsections (3) and (4) there shall be substituted--
"(3) Compensation under subsection (2) shall become payable at the end of the appropriate period and there shall be a separate right to compensation in respect of each of the interests which, during that period, have been immediately expectant on the determination of the existing lease.
(4) Compensation under subsection (2) above shall--
(a) in the case of the interest which is immediately expectant on the determination of the existing lease at the end of the appropriate period, be the right of the person in whom that interest is vested at that time, and
(b) in the case of an interest which ceases during the appropriate period to be immediately expectant on the determination of the existing lease, be the right of the person in whom the interest was vested immediately before it ceased to be so expectant.
(4A) The amount which the tenant is liable to pay under subsection (2) above in respect of any interest shall be equal to the difference between--
(a) the rent under the existing lease for the part of the appropriate period during which the interest was immediately expectant on the determination of that lease, and
(b) the rent which might reasonably be expected to be payable for that part of that period were the property to which the existing lease relates let for a term equivalent to that part of that period on the open market by a willing landlord on the following assumptions--
(i) that no premium is payable in connection with the letting,
(ii) that the letting confers no security of tenure, and
(iii) that, except as otherwise provided by this paragraph, the letting is on the same terms as the existing lease."
(3) In subsection (5), for "(3) and (4)" there shall be substituted "(3) to (4A)"."
(2) In section 91(2) of that Act (matters to be determined by leasehold valuation tribunal), after paragraph (c) there shall be inserted--
"(cb) the amount of any compensation payable under section 61A;".").

On Question, amendment agreed to.


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