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The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, Department of National Heritage (Lord Inglewood): My Lords, Section 3(4) of the Charities Act 1993 requires the Charity Commissioners to remove from the Register of Charities any institution which no longer appears to them to be a charity. The right of appeal against their decision is to the High Court under Section 4(3) of the Act.
Baroness Young: My Lords, does my noble friend agree that, in exercising their duties under the Act, it is very important for charities which have taken legal advice about their activities and which find that they are to be deregistered to have a proper opportunity to discuss with the Charity Commission their requirements in order that they may bring their affairs within the ruling of the commission and so remain charities?
Lord Inglewood: My Lords, there are two parts to my noble friend's question. In regard to any decision that the Charity Commissioners might take to remove a charity from the register, the matter is raised with the charity concerned, which has the opportunity to make formal submissions, including submissions made with legal assistance, before a final decision is taken. There may then follow an appeal to the High Court. In addition, the Charity Commission is very willing to discuss with charities that may fall foul of its test ways
Lord Donoughue: My Lords, will the Minister confirm that some of the activities of the charities under discussion have been deemed commercial, not charitable? Will he also confirm that most charities have accepted that, with the intention of restructuring in order to make sure that they are purely charitable, and have been given time to do that?
Lord Inglewood: My Lords, thus far the questions have been couched in abstract terms. But the noble Lord referred to a number of school fees charities which have been under consideration by the Charity Commissioner, who is determined to remove from the register some particular school fee schemes, but not all. I understand that it is the case that of those schemes all but one are in discussion with the Charity Commissioners to endeavour to rearrange their affairs as I described earlier in order to bring them back within the definition of charities.
Lord Fraser of Carmyllie: My Lords, the Post Office appoints the members. The Post Office also decides the stamp subject and the committee then assists in choosing the best designs. The names of the external members of the committee, the interest that they represent and their joining date are: Dr. Jean Alexander, philately, 1980; Ms. Floella Benjamin, media and youth, 1993; Mrs. Gwyneth Dunwoody, MP, 1993; Ms. Mary Lewis, designer, 1993; Professor Alan Livingston, designer, 1993; Mr. John McConnell, designer, 1984; Mr. Richard Negus, designer, 1977; Mrs. Elisabeth Santry, DTI, 1994; and Mr. Jean Varga, philately, 1989. In addition, there are six Post Office representatives on the committee.
Baroness Castle of Blackburn: Is it the fact that the Stamp Advisory Committee has decided not to issue a stamp commemorating the centenary of the internationally renowned artist, designer, poet and socialist, William Morris, but to issue one on Muffin the Mule instead? Does the Minister agree with me in deploring that philistine decision, which is all the more remarkable when we are approaching the millennium celebrations, in which we are to pay tribute to our great achievements in the field of arts and crafts? Would the Minister please intervene to call the Post Office to account and get it to reverse that absurd preference?
I do not believe that it was a direct decision to reject William Morris and have Muffin the Mule. In fact, I understand that it decided that five decades of children's television should be celebrated. It has chosen not just Muffin the Mule but Sooty, as well; also Stingray, the Clangers and, doubtless, the noble Baroness's favourite, Danger Mouse, to represent the 1980s. The reasoning behind the choice is that, in part, it is keen to encourage children to begin stamp collecting, which is a dying hobby. It is hoped by that action to promote it. But it is entirely a commercial decision for the Post Office and not for me.
Lord Alport: My Lords, is my noble and learned friend aware that when the late Lord Hill of Luton was Postmaster General it was decided to include pictorial stamps in the British issue? The objects were twofold: first, to continue the patronage that the Post Office has always given to the arts in the past; and, secondly, to produce for this country the most beautiful stamps that exist in the world.
Does my noble and learned friend realise that over recent years there has been a flood of stamps produced by the Post Office which are increasingly vulgar and ugly? Will he try to encourage the Post Office, so far as it is within his power, to return to the objects which originally motivated those who started the pictorial stamps and developed them 20 years ago?
Lord Fraser of Carmyllie: My Lords that is a criticism which should be properly directed to the advisory committee. To that committee is entrusted the task of determining the best designs. Obviously, my noble friend has strong views about some of the pictorial stamps that have been issued. I feel that some very good ones have been issued recently. I suggest that the stamps on Robert Burns issued this year were particularly fine.
Lord Taylor of Blackburn: My Lords, I do not wish to quarrel at all with the Minister about Muffin the Mule and the ideas behind that decision. I know that the committee is only an advisory committee and the final authority is the Post Office itself. We have no jurisdiction at all over the Post Office. But will the Minister be prepared to use his good offices to ask the Post Office to look again at the situation--no more than that--in view of the concern raised by my noble friend Lady Castle of Blackburn?
Lord Fraser of Carmyllie: My Lords, the stance that has been adopted by successive Ministers is, I believe, the right one. It is a matter for the Post Office to determine the subjects. It has a set of criteria which it uses in making its choice.
Lord Peston: My Lords, it is almost piquant that the Post Office should choose not to have William Morris. He set a standard in the aesthetic domain for which this country was and is renowned. I think we agreed the last time we discussed this matter that one of the criteria--perhaps the main one--was simply making money. Is the Post Office under growing pressure from the Treasury simply to choose money-making as its main criterion in this area rather than aesthetics and rather than producing stamps of which we can all feel rather proud?
Lord Fraser of Carmyllie: No, my Lords. I congratulate the noble Lord on the way in which he managed to return to the EFLs that are imposed on the Post Office. No, it is not under any new or renewed pressure. The criteria that it uses to choose the stamps are important anniversaries, events of national or international importance, British contributions to world affairs, varied aspects of the British way of life and the development of minuscule art. They must also fit in with the Post Office's commercial targets. All that seems to me to be appropriate.
Baroness Castle of Blackburn: Is the Minister aware that the Victoria and Albert Museum has thought the centenary of William Morris sufficiently important to organise a special exhibition to commemorate it? Will he, therefore, as the Post Office is supposed to be nationalised, exert his influence on it to reverse the decision?
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