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Lord Pearson of Rannoch: My Lords, I suppose we have no option but to ponder. My noble friend suggested that I had sought to drive deer by helicopter. What I have tried to do is to move them out of a modern plantation, and that does not work. The idea of moving deer by helicopter to a place where they can then be left and that that will be that is unlikely to be accurate. I should have thought that as soon as they get to wherever they have been moved to they will just turn around and go back to where they came from. I am afraid, as my noble friend Lord Glenarthur mentioned, that the draft code of practice for moving deer by helicopter with the intention of carrying out essential culling work remains a very disturbing document.

While my noble friend ponders, I must ask him to understand that a number of us have really made up our minds on this subject. I do not think we can be persuaded that it is an acceptable way to treat deer. However, in the meantime, I am most grateful for what he said. I beg leave to withdraw the amendment.

Amendment, by leave, withdrawn.

[Amendment No. 60 not moved.]

Schedule 1 [Minor and Consequential Amendments]:

The Earl of Lindsay moved Amendments Nos. 61 to 75:


Page 11, line 33, after first ("or") insert ("taken and").
Page 11, line 42, after ("killing") insert ("or taking").
Page 11, line 43, leave out ("the carcase of").
Page 11, line 43, at end insert ("or taken"").
Page 12, line 1, leave out ("the carcases (if any) of").
Page 12, line 1, at end insert ("taken or").
Page 12, leave out lines 9 and 10 and insert--
("(ii) for the word "carcases" there shall be substituted the word "deer"; and").
Page 12, line 28, after ("poaching)") insert ("--
(a) in subsection (1), after the words "legal right" there shall be inserted the words "to take or kill deer";
(b) the proviso to subsection (1) shall cease to have effect; and").
Page 12, line 34, leave out from ("(2)") to end of line 35 and insert ("--

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(i) for the words "to take or wilfully" there shall be substituted the words "wilfully to"; and
(ii) for the words from "as" to the end of that subsection there shall be substituted the words "of a class prescribed in an order under section 23A(1) of this Act";").
Page 12, line 49, at end insert ("and--
(f) in subsection (5), the word "alive" shall cease to have effect.").
Page 13, leave out lines 5 to 11.
Page 14, line 4, leave out (""found on"") and insert (""the carcases"").
Page 14, line 5, after ("words") insert (""any deer").
Page 14, line 44, at end insert ("and").
Page 15, line 3, leave out from ("determine."") to end of line 5.

The noble Earl said: My Lords, I have spoken to Amendments Nos. 61 to 75 inclusive. I beg to move.

On Question, amendments agreed to.

Schedule 2 [Repeals]:

The Earl of Lindsay moved Amendment No. 76:


Page 15, line 46, column 3, at end insert ("In section 22, the proviso to subsection (1).").

The noble Earl said: My Lords, I spoke to Amendment No. 76 when moving Amendment No. 22. I beg to move.

On Question, amendment agreed to.

The Earl of Lindsay moved Amendments Nos. 77 and 78:


Page 15, line 46, column 3, at end insert ("In section 23(5), the word "alive".").
Page 16, line 8, column 3, after ("33,") insert ("in subsection (3), the words "the carcases of," and").

The noble Earl said: My Lords, I spoke to both these amendments when moving Amendment No. 22. I beg to move.

On Question, amendments agreed to.

Criminal Legal Aid (Scotland) (Prescribed Proceedings) Amendment Regulations 1996

9.6 p.m.

The Earl of Lindsay rose to move, That the draft regulations laid before the House on 28th February be approved [12th Report from the Joint Committee].

The noble Earl said: My Lords, these regulations make provision for the uprating of eligibility limits and for other useful changes to the system of legal aid in Scotland. I commend the regulations to the House.

Moved, That the draft regulations laid before the House on 28th February be approved [12th Report from the Joint Committee].--(The Earl of Lindsay.)

On Question, Motion agreed to.

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Advice and Assistance (Assistance by Way of Representation) (Scotland) Amendment Regulations 1996

The Earl of Lindsay: My Lords, I beg to move.

Moved, That the draft regulations laid before the House on 28th February be approved [12th Report from the Joint Committee].--(The Earl of Lindsay.)

On Question, Motion agreed to.

Advice and Assistance (Financial Conditions) (Scotland) Regulations 1996

The Earl of Lindsay: My Lords, I beg to move.

Moved, That the draft regulations laid before the House on 28th February be approved [12th Report from the Joint Committee].--(The Earl of Lindsay.)

On Question, Motion agreed to.

Civil Legal Aid (Financial Conditions) (Scotland) Regulations 1996

The Earl of Lindsay: My Lords, I beg to move.

Moved, That the draft regulations laid before the House on 28th February be approved [12th Report from the Joint Committee].--(The Earl of Lindsay.)

On Question, Motion agreed to.

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City of Westminster Bill [H.L.]

A Message was brought from the Commons that they had made the following orders:

That the promoters of the City of Westminster Bill [Lords] may, notwithstanding anything in the Standing Orders or practice of this House, proceed with the Bill in the present Session; and the Petition for the Bill shall be deemed to have been deposited and all Standing Orders applicable thereto shall be deemed to have been complied with;

That if the Bill is brought from the Lords in the present Session, the Agents for the Bill shall deposit in the Private Bill Office a declaration signed by them stating that the Bill is the same, in every respect, as the Bill which was brought from the Lords in the last Session;

That, as soon as a certificate by one of the Clerks in the Private Bill Office, that such a declaration has been so deposited, has been laid upon the Table of the House, the Bill shall be read the first and second time and committed (and shall be recorded in the Journal of this House as having been so read and committed) and shall be committed to the Chairman of Ways and Means, who shall make such Amendments thereto as were made by him in the last Session, and shall report the Bill as amended to the House forthwith, and the Bill, so amended, shall be ordered to lie upon the Table;

That no further Fees shall be charged in respect of any proceedings on the Bill in respect of which Fees have already been incurred during any previous Session to which they desire the concurrence of the Lords.

        House adjourned at ten minutes past nine o'clock.


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