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Lord Stanley of Alderley: No, my Lords. First, my noble friend answered the question put by my noble friend Lord Onslow by saying that the present provision did not have the effect that my noble friend Lord Onslow suggested.

Perhaps I may say a word about the second set of amendments. My noble friend is in effect saying that he wants to delay the introduction of the provision because it will involve considerable change, hardship and problems when it is implemented. He indicted himself by saying that that will happen at some stage. Let us get it over with and stop the pollution straight away.

We have been over this issue so many times in the past. I am sorry to say that I cannot agree with my noble friend. He keeps on saying that it will not happen or that it almost certainly will not happen. Ask any insurer or member of Lloyds for their view. It was said 10 years ago: "It will not happen". It jolly well has happened. I commend the amendment to the House.

5.55 p.m.

On Question, Whether the said amendment (No. 29) shall be agreed to?

Their Lordships divided: Contents, 108; Not-Contents, 100.

Division No. 2

CONTENTS

Airedale, L.
Aldenham, L.
Ashley of Stoke, L.
Barber of Tewkesbury, L.
Barnett, L.
Beaumont of Whitley, L.
Blackstone, B.
Blake, L.
Brabazon of Tara, L.
Bruce of Donington, L.
Burton, L.
Carnarvon, E.
Charteris of Amisfield, L.
Cledwyn of Penrhos, L.
Clinton-Davis, L.
Cocks of Hartcliffe, L.
Dean of Beswick, L.
Dean of Thornton-le-Fylde, B.
Derwent, L.
Diamond, L.
Digby, L.
Dormand of Easington, L.
Dubs, L.
Dundonald, E.
Falkender, B.
Falkland, V.
Farrington of Ribbleton, B.
Foot, L.
Freyberg, L.
Gallacher, L.
Geraint, L.
Gladwin of Clee, L.
Graham of Edmonton, L.
Greenway, L.
Grey, E.
Halsbury, E.
Hamwee, B.
Harding of Petherton, L.
Harris of Greenwich, L.
Harrowby, E.
Haskel, L. [Teller.]
Healey, L.
Henniker, L.
Hertford, M.
Hilton of Eggardon, B.
Hollis of Heigham, B.
Hooson, L.
Hughes, L.
Hylton-Foster, B.
Jeger, B.
Jenkins of Putney, L.
Judd, L.
Kilbracken, L.
Kinloss, Ly.
Kinnoull, E.
Kintore, E.
Kirkhill, L.
Lawrence, L.
Leigh, L.
Lester of Herne Hill, L.
Listowel, E.
Lovell-Davis, L.
Lytton, E.
Marlesford, L.
Mason of Barnsley, L.
McCarthy, L.
McIntosh of Haringey, L.
Milner of Leeds, L.
Monkswell, L.
Monson, L.
Morris of Castle Morris, L.
Morris, L.
Nathan, L.
Nicol, B.
Norrie, L.
Northbourne, L.
Ogmore, L.
Pearson of Rannoch, L.
Peston, L.
Plant of Highfield, L.
Rankeillour, L.
Redesdale, L.
Rennell, L.
Richard, L.
Rochester, L.
Seear, B.
Sefton of Garston, L.
Serota, B.
Sharples, B.
Shepherd, L.
Stanley of Alderley, L. [Teller.]
Stedman, B.
Stoddart of Swindon, L.
Strabolgi, L.
Strathcarron, L.
Swinfen, L.
Thomson of Monifieth, L.
Tollemache, L.
Tordoff, L.
Turner of Camden, B.
Vinson, L.
Walpole, L.
Warnock, B.
Wedderburn of Charlton, L.
White, B.
Williams of Elvel, L.
Winchilsea and Nottingham, E.
Wise, L.

NOT-CONTENTS

Aberdare, L.
Ailsa, M.
Aldington, L.
Ampthill, L.
Ashbourne, L.
Astor, V.
Blaker, L.
Blatch, B.
Boardman, L.
Borthwick, L.
Boyd-Carpenter, L.
Cadman, L.
Caithness, E.
Carnock, L.
Chalker of Wallasey, B.
Chesham, L.
Courtown, E.
Cox, B.
Cranborne, V. [Lord Privy Seal.]
Cumberlege, B.
Davidson, V.
Dean of Harptree, L.
Denham, L.
Denton of Wakefield, B.
Dixon-Smith, L.
Downshire, M.
Eden of Winton, L.
Ellenborough, L.
Elliott of Morpeth, L.
Elton, L.
Ferrers, E.
Finsberg, L.
Fraser of Carmyllie, L.
Gardner of Parkes, B.
Gilmour of Craigmillar, L.
Goschen, V.
Harmar-Nicholls, L.
Hayhoe, L.
Henley, L.
Hesketh, L.
Hives, L.
Hogg, B.
Holderness, L.
HolmPatrick, L.
Hothfield, L.
Howe, E.
Inglewood, L. [Teller.]
Ingrow, L.
Kimball, L.
Lane of Horsell, L.
Lauderdale, E.
Layton, L.
Lindsay, E.
Lindsey and Abingdon, E.
Liverpool, E.
Long, V.
Lucas, L.
Mackay of Ardbrecknish, L.
Mackay of Clashfern, L. [Lord Chancellor.]
Macleod of Borve, B.
Massereene and Ferrard, V.
McColl of Dulwich, L.
Merrivale, L.
Mersey, V.
Miller of Hendon, B.
Milverton, L.
Mottistone, L.
Mountevans, L.
Moyne, L.
Murton of Lindisfarne, L.
Newall, L.
Norfolk, D.
Northesk, E.
O'Cathain, B.
Onslow, E.
Oppenheim-Barnes, B.
Orkney, E.
Orr-Ewing, L.
Park of Monmouth, B.
Plummer of St. Marylebone, L.
Rawlings, B.
Rees, L.
Rodger of Earlsferry, L.
Romney, E.
Saint Albans, D.
Seccombe, B.
Shaw of Northstead, L.
Skelmersdale, L.
St. Davids, V.
Stewartby, L.
Strange, B.
Strathclyde, L. [Teller.]
Sudeley, L.
Thomas of Gwydir, L.
Trefgarne, L.
Trumpington, B.
Ullswater, V.
Vivian, L.
Wolfson, L.
Young, B.

Resolved in the affirmative, and amendment agreed to accordingly.

20 Mar 1995 : Column 1063

6.4 p.m.

Lord Stanley of Alderley moved Amendment No. 30:


Page 65, line 33, leave out ("1999") and insert ("1995").

The noble Lord said: My Lords, I beg to move.

6.5 p.m.

On Question, Whether the said amendment (No. 30) shall be agreed to?

Their Lordships divided: Contents, 96; Not-Contents, 105.

Division No. 3

CONTENTS

Airedale, L.
Ashley of Stoke, L.
Barber of Tewkesbury, L.
Barnett, L.
Beaumont of Whitley, L.
Blackstone, B.
Bruce of Donington, L.
Burton, L.
Cledwyn of Penrhos, L.
Clinton-Davis, L.
Cocks of Hartcliffe, L.
Cox, B.
Dean of Beswick, L.
Dean of Thornton-le-Fylde, B.
Derwent, L.
Diamond, L.
Dormand of Easington, L.
Dubs, L.
Dundonald, E.
Falkender, B.
Falkland, V.
Farrington of Ribbleton, B.
Freyberg, L.
Gladwin of Clee, L.
Glenamara, L.
Graham of Edmonton, L. [Teller.]
Grey, E.
Halsbury, E.
Hamwee, B.
Harris of Greenwich, L.
Harrowby, E.
Haskel, L.
Henniker, L.
Hertford, M.
Hilton of Eggardon, B.
Hollis of Heigham, B.
Hooson, L.
Hughes, L.
Hylton-Foster, B.
Jeger, B.
Jenkins of Putney, L.
Judd, L.
Kilbracken, L.
Kinloss, Ly.
Kinnoull, E.
Kintore, E.
Kirkhill, L.
Lawrence, L.
Leigh, L.
Lester of Herne Hill, L.
Listowel, E.
Lovell-Davis, L.
Lytton, E.
Marlesford, L.
Mason of Barnsley, L.
McCarthy, L.
McIntosh of Haringey, L.
Milner of Leeds, L.
Monkswell, L.
Monson, L.
Moran, L.
Morris of Castle Morris, L.
Morris, L.
Napier and Ettrick, L.
Nathan, L.
Nicol, B.
Ogmore, L.
Pearson of Rannoch, L.
Peston, L.
Plant of Highfield, L.
Rankeillour, L.
Redesdale, L.
Richard, L.
Rochester, L.
Seear, B.
Sefton of Garston, L.
Serota, B.
Sharples, B.
Shepherd, L.
Stanley of Alderley, L. [Teller.]
Stedman, B.
Stoddart of Swindon, L.
Strabolgi, L.
Strathcarron, L.
Swinfen, L.
Thomson of Monifieth, L.
Tordoff, L.
Turner of Camden, B.
Walpole, L.
Warnock, B.
Wedderburn of Charlton, L.
Wharton, B.
White, B.
Williams of Elvel, L.
Winchilsea and Nottingham, E.
Wise, L.

NOT-CONTENTS

Aberdare, L.
Addison, V.
Ailsa, M.
Aldenham, L.
Aldington, L.
Ampthill, L.
Astor, V.
Barber, L.
Blaker, L.
Blatch, B.
Boardman, L.
Borthwick, L.
Boyd-Carpenter, L.
Brabazon of Tara, L.
Burnham, L.
Cadman, L.
Caithness, E.
Carnarvon, E.
Carnock, L.
Chalker of Wallasey, B.
Chesham, L.
Clanwilliam, E.
Courtown, E.
Cranborne, V. [Lord Privy Seal.]
Cumberlege, B.
Davidson, V.
Dean of Harptree, L.
Denham, L.
Denton of Wakefield, B.
Digby, L.
Dixon-Smith, L.
Eden of Winton, L.
Ellenborough, L.
Elliott of Morpeth, L.
Elton, L.
Ferrers, E.
Finsberg, L.
Fraser of Carmyllie, L.
Gardner of Parkes, B.
Gilmour of Craigmillar, L.
Harmar-Nicholls, L.
Hayhoe, L.
Henley, L.
Hesketh, L.
Hives, L.
Hogg, B.
Holderness, L.
HolmPatrick, L.
Hothfield, L.
Howe, E.
Inglewood, L. [Teller.]
Ingrow, L.
Killearn, L.
Kimball, L.
Lane of Horsell, L.
Layton, L.
Lindsay, E.
Lindsey and Abingdon, E.
Liverpool, E.
Long, V.
Lucas, L.
Mackay of Ardbrecknish, L.
Mackay of Clashfern, L. [Lord Chancellor.]
Macleod of Borve, B.
Massereene and Ferrard, V.
McColl of Dulwich, L.
Merrivale, L.
Mersey, V.
Miller of Hendon, B.
Milverton, L.
Monteagle of Brandon, L.
Mountevans, L.
Mowbray and Stourton, L.
Moyne, L.
Murton of Lindisfarne, L.
Newall, L.
Norfolk, D.
Norrie, L.
Northbourne, L.
Northesk, E.
O'Cathain, B.
Onslow, E.
Oppenheim-Barnes, B.
Orkney, E.
Orr-Ewing, L.
Park of Monmouth, B.
Plummer of St. Marylebone, L.
Rawlings, B.
Rees, L.
Renton, L.
Rodger of Earlsferry, L.
Saint Albans, D.
Seccombe, B.
Shaw of Northstead, L.
Skelmersdale, L.
St. Davids, V.
Stewartby, L.
Strathclyde, L. [Teller.]
Sudeley, L.
Thomas of Gwydir, L.
Trumpington, B.
Ullswater, V.
Vivian, L.
Wolfson, L.
Young, B.

Resolved in the negative, and amendment disagreed to accordingly.

20 Mar 1995 : Column 1064

20 Mar 1995 : Column 1065

6.12 p.m.

Lord Stanley of Alderley moved Amendment No. 31:


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