Joint Committee on the Human Tissue and Embryos (Draft) Bill Minutes of Evidence


Memorandum by the Association of Medical Research Charities (AMRC) (Ev 70)

PART 1 OF THE DRAFT BILL

Question:  What are your views on the proposed transfer of the functions of the HFEA and HTA to a single new regulatory authority, RATE?

  AMRC comment: We are unsure of the rationale behind amalgamating the HFEA and HTA, two organisations with different remits which would fare well to remain separate.

Funding RATE

Question:  Should the regulatory body or bodies be allowed to make charges for licenses?

  AMRC comment: There should be a strict limit on what the regulator can charge researchers, agreed in consultation with funding organisations and reviewed regularly. High charges will have an adverse effect on the ability to conduct research.

PART 2 OF THE DRAFT BILL

Inter-species embryos (for example, cytoplasmic hybrid embryos)

  The text of the draft Bill (particularly in clause 17 and Schedule 2) reflects the position in the Government's White Paper that the creation of hybrid and chimera embryos in vitro is prohibited, but that a regulation-making power would allow Parliament to agree exceptions to that prohibition for research purposes.

  On publication of the draft Bill, the Government announced that it now intends to accept (in part) the approach advocated by the Commons Science and Technology Select Committee, that legislation should provide for certain inter-species entities to be created for research purposes under licence by the Regulator within a 14-day limit. The Government proposes that the entities to be permitted should be limited to those listed in clause 17(2) inserted section 4A(5)(b) to (d) on page 9 of the draft Bill (see also paragraph 1.12 of the introduction to the draft Bill on page ix). This would exclude from the licensing regime "pure hybrids" as described in clause 17(2) inserted section 4A(5)(a) and (e) on pages 9 and 10.

  The Science and Technology Committee, in its recent Report "Government proposals for the regulation of hybrid and chimera embryos", goes further than the Government's new position and recommends that legislation should be permissive and provide that "in general, the creation of all types of human-animal chimera or hybrid embryos should be allowed for research purposes" under licence by the Regulator (recommendations 22 and 26 on page 63 of that Report). Furthermore, the Committee recommended that licensing should not allow for the development of interspecies embryos past the 14-day limit unless proved necessary.

Question:  Do you support:

    (i)  the approach signalled by the Government in the White Paper;

    (ii)  the new approach announced by the Government (as outlined above); or

    (iii)  the approach recommended by the Commons Science and Technology Committee?

  AMRC comment: We strongly endorse option iii, and urge adoption of the approach recommended by the Commons Science and Technology Committee.

Research licences

  In addition to the new provisions on inter-species embryos, clause 18 and Schedule 2 of the draft Bill consolidate the purposes for which licences for research can be granted and extend the principle purposes listed in paragraph 6 of Schedule 2.

Question:  How should Parliament approach legislating for those purposes for which licences for research may be granted in the future (arising out of future research) but that are not yet determined? Should such judgements be left to the regulatory body or bodies to determine?

  AMRC comment: We accept that the regulator should take responsibility for these judgements.

Question:  How should Parliament or the regulatory body or bodies take public views and public engagement into account?

  AMRC comment: There is a risk that complex issues such as this can become bogged down in consultation for which the purpose is unclear and therefore not helpful, and as a substitute for appropriate decision-making. This has to some extent already occurred, resulting in the ongoing delay to grant licences for apparently promising research.

  AMRC encourages debate about medical research, respects and acknowledges sensitive feelings surrounding this issue, welcomes the recently announced "national discussion" on stem cell research, notes previous and current public consultations and works to promote the "patient voice" wherever possible and practicable.

  When parliament seeks to legislate/regulators to regulate complex topics, they rightly seek the views of experts in the field. This raises two key questions: firstly, how to find a balance between consultation and allowing decision-making by an elected parliament, and secondly, how to identify the appropriate "experts". Should parliament/regulators heed the views of scientists who believe such work will revolutionise research, patients whose focus may be to support much that could alleviate suffering, or religious or pro-life groups for whom such research is simply unthinkable? What this issue has demonstrated is that we have yet to master the right engagement mechanisms which enable decision-making in the context of an ongoing conversation or consultation with the public.

  It is crucial that this consultation be both knowledge-based and proportionate. Above all, AMRC recommends that the first step in meaningful public engagement must be ensuring accurate information is in the public domain, and taking public views into account should follow rather than precede this. We have worked closely on a project of just this sort regarding the use of animals in medical research, where teenage and adult audiences were informed about the range of issues through a play, Every Breath, and then encouraged to debate and decide. In many cases, audiences which were by their own description un- or ill-informed about the issue before seeing the play were able to form an opinion after hearing the arguments. Repeatedly seeking public views in an information-vacuum and where the response is therefore likely to be overwhelmingly emotion-based or ill-informed is unhelpful.

Storage limits

  Clause 22 of the draft Bill proposes to increase the statutory storage period for embryos from 5 years to 10 years to match the statutory storage period for gametes.

Question:  Do you support the proposal to increase the storage period from 5 to 10 years? Should the storage period for gametes and embryos be limited by statute at all?

  AMRC comment: We are not sure of the rationale behind the need to have time limits of this specificity.

June 2007



 
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