Joint Committee on Draft Civil Contingencies Bill First Report


Formal Minutes


Extract from Lords Minute of 12 June 2003

Civil Contingencies—It was moved by the Lord Privy Seal (Lord Williams of Mostyn) that it is expedient that a Joint Committee of Lords and Commons be appointed to consider and report on any draft Civil Contingencies Bill presented to both Houses by a Minister of the Crown, and that the Committee should report on the draft Bill by the end of October 2003; the motion was agreed to and a message was ordered to be sent to the Commons to acquaint them therewith.

Extract from Votes and Proceedings of the House of Commons 10 July 2003

Draft Civil Contingencies Bill (Joint Committee),-Ordered, That the Lords Message of 13th June relating to a Joint Committee of both Houses to consider and report on any draft Civil Contingencies Bill presented to both Houses by a Minister of the Crown be now considered.

That this House concurs with the Lords that it is expedient that a Joint Committee of Lords and Commons be appointed to consider and report on any draft Civil Contingencies Bill presented to both Houses by a Minister of the Crown, and proposes that the Committee should report on the draft Bill by the end of November 2003.

That a Select Committee of eleven honourable Members be appointed to join with the Committee appointed by the Lords to consider any draft Civil Contingencies Bill.

That the Committee shall have power-

1. to send for persons, papers and records;

2. to sit notwithstanding any adjournment of the House;

3. to report from time to time;

4. to appoint specialist advisers;

5. to adjourn from place to place within the United Kingdom; and

That Mr Richard Allan, Mr Adrian Bailey, David Cairns, Mr James Clappison, Mr Kevan Jones, Mr Elfyn Llwyd, Patrick Mercer, Chris Mole, Dr Lewis Moonie, Kali Mountford and David Wright be members of the Committee-(Charlotte Atkins.)

Message to the Lords to acquaint them therewith.

Extract from House of Lords Minute of 11 July 2003 

Civil Contingencies—It was moved by the Chairman of Committees that the Commons message of yesterday be now considered, and that a Committee of eleven Lords be appointed to join with the Committee appointed by the Commons, to consider and report on any draft Civil Contingencies Bill presented to both Houses by a Minister of the Crown;

That, as proposed by the Committee of Selection, the Lords following be named of the Committee:

L. Archer of Sandwell
L.Bradshaw
L. Brooke of Alverthorpe
L. Condon
L. Jordan
L. King of Bridgwater
L. Lucas
L. Maginnis of Drumglass
L. Marlesford
B. Ramsay of Cartvale
L. Roper;

That the Committee have power to agree with the Commons in the appointment of a Chairman;

That the Committee have leave to report from time to time;

That the Committee have power to appoint specialist advisers;

That the Committee have power to adjourn from place to place within the United Kingdom;

That the reports of the Committee from time to time shall be printed, notwithstanding any adjournment of the House;

That the Committee do report on the draft Bill by the end of November 2003;

And that the Committee do meet with the Committee appointed by the Commons on Tuesday 15th July at half-past three o'clock in Committee Room G;

the motion was agreed to; and a message was ordered to be sent to the Commons to acquaint them therewith.

Lords Minute 8 September 2003

13. Civil Contingencies—It was moved by the Chairman of Committees that the Earl of Shrewsbury be appointed a member of the Joint Committee on the draft Civil Contingencies Bill in the place of the Lord Marlesford; the motion was agreed to.

Proceedings of the Joint Committee

Tuesday 15 July 2003

Members present:
Mr Richard Allan

Mr Adrian Bailey

David Cairns

Mr Elfyn Llwyd

Patrick Mercer

Chris Mole

Dr Lewis Moonie

David Wright

Rt Hon the Lord Archer of Sandwell, QC

The Lord Brooke of Alverthorpe

The Lord Lucas of Crudwell and Dingwall

The Lord Maginnis of Drumglass

The Baroness Ramsay of Cartvale

The Lord Roper

Members declared interests relating to the draft Bill, pursuant to the resolutions of the House of Commons 13th July 1992 and the House of Lords 2nd July 2001:

Lord Brooke of Alverthorpe as a Partnership Director, National Air Traffic Control Services Ltd

Baroness Ramsay of Cartvale as a former consultant to Control Risks

Lord Lucas of Crudwell and Dingwall as a consultant to Green Issues Communications (which had a role in disaster management)

Dr Lewis Moonie was called to the chair by acclamation.

The Committee deliberated.

Ordered, Dr James Broderick, Professor Clive Walker and Mr Garth Whitty be appointed Specialist Advisers to assist the Committee in its inquiry into the draft Civil Contingencies Bill..

Ordered, That the public be admitted during the examination of witnesses unless the Committee otherwise orders.—(The Chairman.)

Ordered, That the uncorrected transcripts of oral evidence given, unless the Committee otherwise orders, be published on the Internet.—(The Chairman.)

The Committee further deliberated.

[Adjourned till Tuesday 9 September at half-past Nine o'clock.

Tuesday 9 September 2003 (am)

Members present:

Dr Lewis Moonie, in the Chair
Mr Adrian Bailey

David Cairns

Mr James Clappison

Mr Kevan Jones

Chris Mole

Kali Mountford

David Wright

Rt Hon the Lord Archer of Sandwell, QC

The Lord Brooke of Alverthorpe

Lord Condon

The Lord Lucas of Crudwell and Dingwall

The Lord Maginnis of Drumglass

The Baroness Ramsay of Cartvale

The Lord Roper

Earl of Shrewsbury

The Committee deliberated.

Lord Condon declared his interests as a former Commissioner of the Metropolitan Police, President of the British Security Industry Association and a life member of the Association of Chief Police Officers.

Draft Civil Contingencies Bill: Councillor Peter Chalke and Mr Tom Griffin, Local Government Association, and Mr Brian Ward, UK Emergency Planning Association, were examined.

Mr Alan Goldsmith, Association of Chief Police Officers, Mr Philip Selwood, Ambulance Services Association, and Mr Roy Bishop, Chief and Assistant Chief Fire Officers Association, were examined.

[Adjourned till this afternoon at half-past Four o'clock.

Tuesday 9 September 2003 (pm)

Members present:

Dr Lewis Moonie, in the Chair
Mr Richard Allan

David Cairns

Mr James Clappison

Mr Kevan Jones

Mr Elfyn Llwyd

Chris Mole

Kali Mountford

David Wright

Rt Hon the Lord Archer of Sandwell, QC

Professor the Lord Bradshaw

The Lord Brooke of Alverthorpe

The Lord Condon

The Lord Lucas of Crudwell and Dingwall

The Lord Maginnis of Drumglass

The Baroness Ramsay of Cartvale

The Lord Roper

Earl of Shrewsbury

Lord Bradshaw declared his interests as a member of Oxfordshire County Council and of the Thames Valley Police Authority.

Draft Civil Contingencies Bill: Alison Lowton, Camden Council, Mr Patrick Cunningham, Durham Council, and Mr Richard Davies, Leeds City Council, were examined.

[Adjourned till Tuesday 16 September at half-past Nine o'clock.

Tuesday 16 September 2003 (am)

Members present:

Dr Lewis Moonie, in the Chair
Mr Richard Allan

David Cairns

Mr James Clappison

Mr Elfyn Llwyd

Patrick Mercer

David Wright

Rt Hon the Lord Archer of Sandwell, QC

Professor the Lord Bradshaw

The Lord Lucas of Crudwell and Dingwall

The Lord Maginnis of Drumglass

The Baroness Ramsay of Cartvale

The Lord Roper

Draft Civil Contingencies Bill: Mr Hugh Henry MSP, Deputy Justice Minister, Scottish Executive and Mr Rhodri Morgan AM, First Minister, National Assembly for Wales, were examined.

[Adjourned till half-past Four o'clock on this day.

Tuesday 16 September 2003 (pm)

Members present

Dr Lewis Moonie, in the Chair
Mr Richard Allan

Mr James Clappison

Mr Elfyn Llwyd

Patrick Mercer

David Wright

Rt Hon the Lord Archer of Sandwell, QC

Professor the Lord Bradshaw

The Lord Lucas of Crudwell and Dingwall

The Baroness Ramsay of Cartvale

The Lord Roper

Draft Civil Contingencies Bill: Ms Shami Chakrabarki, Director, Liberty and Dr Eric Metcalfe, Director of Human Rights Policy, Justice were examined.

[Adjourned till Tuesday 14 October at half-past three o'clock.

Tuesday 14 October 2003

Members present:

Dr Lewis Moonie, in the Chair
Mr Richard Allan

Mr Adrian Bailey

Mr James Clappison

Mr Kevan Jones

Mr Elfyn Llwyd

Chris Mole

Kali Mountford

David Wright

Rt Hon the Lord Archer of Sandwell, QC

Professor the Lord Bradshaw

The Lord Brooke of Alverthorpe

The Lord Condon

The Lord Lucas of Crudwell and Dingwall

The Baroness Ramsay of Cartvale

The Committee deliberated.

[Adjourned till Thursday 16 October at four o'clock.

Thursday 16 October 2003

Members present

Dr Lewis Moonie, in the Chair
Mr Adrian Bailey

Mr James Clappison

Mr Kevan Jones

Mr Elfyn Llwyd

Patrick Mercer

Kali Mountford

Rt Hon the Lord Archer of Sandwell, QC

The Lord Brooke of Alverthorpe

The Lord Condon

The Lord Jordan

The Lord Lucas of Crudwell and Dingwall

The Baroness Ramsay of Cartvale

Draft Civil Contingencies Bill: Mr Douglas Alexander MP, Minister of State, Cabinet Office, Mr Roger Hargreaves, Bill team leader and Ms Rebecca Lane, legal adviser, Civil Contingencies Secretariat, were examined.

[Adjourned till Tuesday 21 October at four o'clock.

Tuesday 21 October 2003

Members present:

Dr Lewis Moonie, in the Chair

Mr Richard Allan

Mr Adrian Bailey

David Cairns

Mr Kevan Jones

Mr Elfyn Llwyd

Patrick Mercer

Kali Mountford

David Wright

Rt Hon the Lord Archer of Sandwell, QC

Professor the Lord Bradshaw

The Lord Brooke of Alverthorpe

The Lord Condon

The Lord Lucas of Crudwell and Dingwall

The Baroness Ramsay of Cartvale

The Lord Roper

Draft Civil Contingencies Bill: Mr John Pullin, South West London SHA, Mr Keith Williams, North Wales Health Emergency Planning Group and Mr Anthony Kealy, Emergency Planning Lead, West Yorkshire SHA were examined; Mr Doug Turner, Head of Network Continuity and Emergency Planning, British Telecom, Mr Philip West, Policy Manager, Western Power Distribution and Mr Geoffrey Miller, Head of Risk Management, United Utilities, were examined; and Virginia Beardshaw, Director of UK Service Development, Red Cross, Peter Brown, Chief Commander, St John Ambulance, Moya Wood-Heath, Assistant General Secretary, National Voluntary Aid Society Emergency Committee, Major Bill Cochran, Secretary for Communications, Salvation Army and Mark Lever, Chief Executive, Women's Royal Voluntary Service were examined.

[Adjourned till Thursday 23 October at four o'clock.

Thursday 23 October 2003

Members present:

Dr Lewis Moonie, in the Chair
Mr Adrian Bailey

James Clappison

David Wright

Rt Hon the Lord Archer of Sandwell, QC

The Lord Brooke of Alverthorpe

The Lord Condon

The Lord Lucas of Crudwell and Dingwall

The Baroness Ramsay of Cartvale

The Lord Roper

The Committee deliberated.

[Adjourned till Thursday 30 October at a quarter to four o'clock.

Thursday 30 October 2003

Members present:

Dr Lewis Moonie, in the Chair
Mr Richard Allan

Mr Adrian Bailey

Mr Elfyn Llwyd

Kali Mountford

Rt Hon the Lord Archer of Sandwell, QC

The Lord Bradshaw

The Lord Brooke of Alverthorpe

The Lord Condon

The Lord Jordan

The Lord Lucas of Crudwell and Dingwall

The Baroness Ramsay of Cartvale

The Lord Roper

[Adjourned till Tuesday 4 November at four o'clock.

Tuesday 4 November 2003

Members present:

Dr Lewis Moonie, in the Chair
David Cairns

Mr James Clappison

Mr Elfyn Llwyd

Patrick Mercer

Chris Mole

Kali Mountford

David Wright

Rt Hon the Lord Archer of Sandwell, QC

The Lord Bradshaw

The Lord Brooke of Alverthorpe

The Lord Condon

The Lord Lucas of Crudwell and Dingwall

The Committee deliberated.

[Adjourned till Thursday 6 November at a quarter to four o'clock.

Tuesday 11 November 2003

Members present:

Dr Lewis Moonie, in the Chair
Mr Richard Allan

Mr Adrian Bailey

Mr Kevan Jones

Mr Elfyn Llwyd

Chris Mole

Kali Mountford

Rt Hon the Lord Archer of Sandwell, QC

The Lord Bradshaw

The Lord Brooke of Alverthorpe

The Lord Lucas of Crudwell and Dingwall

The Committee deliberated.

The Committee considered the draft report.

Paragraphs 1 to 320 were read and agreed to.

Resolved, That the draft Report be the Report of the Committee to both Houses.

Several Papers were ordered to be appended to the Report.

Ordered, That the memoranda received by the Joint Committee be appended to the Minutes of Evidence.

Ordered, That The Chairman make the Report to the House of Commons and Lord Lucas of Crudwell and Dingwall make the Report to the House of Lords.

Ordered, That where the Chairman considers it appropriate, embargoed copies of the Report may be given to specific individuals and other persons not more than forty-eight hours in advance of publication.

Ordered, That the Joint Committee be adjourned.


 
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