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Education and Inspections Bill

Education and Inspections Bill



The Committee consisted of the following Members:

Chairmen: Frank Cook, † Mr. Christopher Chope
Blackman-Woods, Dr. Roberta (City of Durham) (Lab)
Brooke, Annette (Mid-Dorset and North Poole) (LD)
Cawsey, Mr. Ian (Brigg and Goole) (Lab)
Chaytor, Mr. David (Bury, North) (Lab)
Clappison, Mr. James (Hertsmere) (Con)
Creagh, Mary (Wakefield) (Lab)
Dorries, Mrs. Nadine (Mid-Bedfordshire) (Con)
Evennett, Mr. David (Bexleyheath and Crayford) (Con)
Gibb, Mr. Nick (Bognor Regis and Littlehampton) (Con)
Gwynne, Andrew (Denton and Reddish) (Lab)
Hayes, Mr. John (South Holland and The Deepings) (Con)
Hillier, Meg (Hackney, South and Shoreditch) (Lab/Co-op)
Hope, Phil (Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Education and Skills)
Leigh, Mr. Edward (Gainsborough) (Con)
Moffatt, Laura (Crawley) (Lab)
Morden, Jessica (Newport, East) (Lab)
Mulholland, Greg (Leeds, North-West) (LD)
Shaw, Jonathan (Chatham and Aylesford) (Lab)
Smith, Ms Angela C. (Sheffield, Hillsborough) (Lab)
Smith, Jacqui (Minister for Schools)
Snelgrove, Anne (South Swindon) (Lab)
Teather, Sarah (Brent, East) (LD)
Wilson, Mr. Rob (Reading, East) (Con)
Alan Sandall, Committee Clerk
† attended the Committee

Standing Committee E

Tuesday 2 May 2006

(Afternoon)

[Part II]

[Mr. Christopher Chope in the Chair]

Education and Inspections Bill

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8 pm
On resuming—
Jacqui Smith: May I say what a pleasure it is to be back after our snack break? I have a suspicion, however, that the hon. Member for South Holland and The Deepings (Mr. Hayes), who is not yet here, will have fitted in more than a snack.
Moving away from our digestion, I remind hon. Members that before the suspension I was, I hope, reassuring them about the provisions already in the special educational needs code of practice which require a list of schools, including special schools, in an area to be brought to the attention of parents during the statementing process.
I intended to talk about the fact that the guidance to local authorities on the provision of choice advisers already states that such advisers will be expected to have an understanding of special needs policy and provision in the area for children with special educational needs. Advisers will also be expected to draw on the knowledge and expertise of local parent partnership services in providing advice to parents. I hope that my comments reassure hon. Members that we are clear that choice advisers have an important role in respect of children with special educational needs and that we have made that clear in the choice advice guidance.
Amendment No. 192 relates to monitoring and quality assurance of the work of choice advisers. We have already made provision for that through the choice advice support and quality assurance network, which will be operated by the voluntary and community sector. That network is external to and independent of local authorities and will have a key role in ensuring the impartiality of the advice given by choice advisers. It will examine the quality of what is offered.
In addition to that work, we plan to contract for formal external evaluation of choice advice. That evaluation is likely to focus on issues including the effectiveness of choice advice delivery and operations; the effectiveness of our measures to ensure independence of choice advice; the impact of local authority and/or school performance management arrangements on choice advisers; parental perception of the quality of that advice; and the impact of the advice on admissions patterns for disadvantaged children and on social mobility.
With regard to amendment No. 388, a key element of providing choice advisers for parents will be ensuring that the individuals appointed receive full training to enable them to provide the advice that parents need. I can assure the Committee that SEN and disability legislation, along with admissions law, the school admissions code and other equality legislation, will be part of that training. This is a broader requirement than the amendment proposes and will also cover schools’ own descriptions of what they offer contained in the online school profile, their ethos and any special facilities, including those for children with special educational needs and disabled children.
New clause 46 and amendment No. 387 relate to professional standards for teachers. The Secretary of State already has the power to set professional standards for teachers and does so in secondary legislation and associated guidance. There is no need to set out specific standards in primary legislation, but I assure hon. Members that the current standards for teachers are under review. It is proposed that, once revised, they will include a standard that requires teachers to know and comply with current legislation on the well-being of children and young people, a standard that requires teachers to know and understand the role of others when dealing with children who have special educational needs and/or disabilities and a standard that requires teachers to communicate effectively with parents and carers. That provision, too, will be stronger than the amendment, which talks only about people demonstrating
“an understanding of special educational needs and disability legislation”.
I hope that I have reassured hon. Members on the amendments and that they will not press them.
Mr. Gibb: I am grateful for that response from the Minister and I am reassured by some things. The external evaluation for choice advisers is a useful measure to ensure that the quality of advice being given is good. I am also reassured by what she had to say about the training of choice advisers and by her comments regarding standards for teachers. I understand why they are set out in secondary legislation, but in this Committee we can only table amendments to primary legislation. I was reassured by her mention of the current positions under review, and I was content with what she had to say about the new words concerning professional standards in relation to children with special educational needs and disabilities.
However, I am not yet convinced by the Minister’s response concerning the requirement in amendment No. 47 that choice advisers give full information regarding the provision of special schools available in the geographical area. Committee members have seen too many examples of parents being denied this information. It will send a clear message if we include in the Bill the provisions in amendment No. 47. I was particularly struck by the real-life experience outlined by my hon. Friend the Member for Mid-Bedfordshire (Mrs. Dorries). In light of that, and other experiences from outside the House of which I have been made aware, I would like to press the amendment to a Division.
Question put, That the amendment be made:—
The Committee divided: Ayes 4, Noes 14.
Division No. 20]
AYES
Clappison, Mr. James
Gibb, Mr. Nick
Hayes, Mr. John
Leigh, Mr. Edward
NOES
Blackman-Woods, Dr. Roberta
Brooke, Annette
Chaytor, Mr. David
Creagh, Mary
Hillier, Meg
Hope, Phil
Moffatt, Laura
Morden, Jessica
Mulholland, Greg
Shaw, Jonathan
Smith, Ms Angela C. (Sheffield, Hillsborough)
Smith, rh Jacqui
Snelgrove, Anne
Teather, Sarah
Question accordingly negatived.
Clause 39 ordered to stand part of the Bill.
The Chairman: Order. Before I call the hon. Member for Gainsborough (Mr. Leigh) to move amendment No. 204, I should apologise to the hon. Member for Bury, North for the fact that amendment No. 448, in his name, has been left off the amendment paper in error. In any event, the amendment has not been selected.

Clause 40

Prohibition on interviews
Mr. Edward Leigh (Gainsborough) (Con): I beg to move amendment No. 204, in clause 40, page 29, line 4, after ‘school', insert
‘(except a school to which this section does not apply)'.
The Chairman: With this it will be convenient to discuss the following:
Amendment No. 213, in clause 40, page 29, line 5, after ‘interview', insert ‘or written test'.
Amendment No. 436, in clause 40, page 29, line 5, after ‘interview', insert
‘(whether face to face or by telephone)'.
Amendment No. 214, in clause 40, page 29, line 6, after ‘interview', insert ‘or written test'.
Amendment No. 48, in clause 40, page 29, line 8, at end insert—
‘(1A) If the maintained school is one which has been designated as a school having a religious character in accordance with section 69, subsection (1) does not apply in relation to any interview intended to assess religious commitment and religious practice.'.
Amendment No. 49, in clause 40, page 29, line 8, at end insert—
‘(1A) Subsection (1) does not apply in relation to any interview conducted to assess intended compliance with a home school contract.'.
Amendment No. 369, in clause 40, page 29, line 12, at end insert—
‘(2A) If the maintained school is of a religious character and preference is given to applicants for admission to that school on the basis of the religious practice of the pupil, then subsection (1) does not apply in relation to any interview intended to assess the suitability of the applicant for such a school.'.
Amendment No. 406, in clause 40, page 29, line 15, at end insert ‘interview,'.
Amendment No. 208, in clause 40, page 29, line 18, at end insert—
‘(3A) Subsection (1) does not apply to any interview conducted in connection with the admission of pupils to the school for secondary education suitable to the requirements of pupils who are over compulsory school age.'.
Amendment No. 205, in clause 40, page 29, line 20, at end add—
‘(5) This section does not apply to a foundation, voluntary-aided or voluntary-controlled school which has been designated by the Secretary of State under section 69 as a school having a religious character.'.
Amendment No. 215, in clause 40, page 29, line 20, at end add—
‘(2) In section 482 (academies) of EA 1996, in subsection (2)—
(a) omit “and” at the end of paragraph (a), and
(b) after paragraph (b) insert “and
(c) does not have admission arrangements which require or authorise any interview with an applicant for admission to the academy or his parents, where the interview is to be taken into account (to any extent) in determining whether the applicant is to be admitted to the academy”.'.
Clause stand part.
New clause 9—Freedom to interview—
‘A maintained school shall have complete freedom to interview candidates for admission at its absolute discretion, including in cases where the interview plays a part in deciding whether the candidate is to be admitted to the school.'.
 
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