Select Committee on Home Affairs Written Evidence



1.  Joint memorandum submitted by the Association of Chief Police Officers of England, Wales and Northern Ireland (ACPO) (Terrorism and Allied Matters) Committee and the Metropolitan Police Service

  This submission should be seen alongside the more detailed proposals submitted by Assistant Commissioner Andy Hayman with his letter to the Home Secretary on 6 October.

  The October document sets out the case for extension of pre-charge detention by judicial review and argues the case for extension given the complexity of international terrorism investigations requiring early interdiction; the unfolding sequence of enquiries and sifting of considerable evidence by thorough and painstaking investigation.

  This submission contains our observations on the alternative proposals and offers the arguments that we would wish the Committee to consider.

  We will, of course be willing to assist the Committee further and hope that you will draw on the expertise on counter-terrorism within ACPO (TAM) and the Metropolitan Police Service.

1.  SPECIFIC ARGUMENTS PUT FORWARD BY THE POLICE IN SUPPORT OF EXTENDED PRE-CHARGE DETENTION

  1.1  In support of judicially sanctioned, seven day extensions of pre-charge detention up to a maximum of 90 days, the Police Service has stated the case for extending pre-charge detention for terrorist cases. These arguments were set out in Assistant Commissioner Andy Hayman's letter to the Home Secretary on 6 October 2005. The case put forward remains the same and the police have nothing further to add at this stage.

2.  JUDICIAL OVERSIGHT

  2.1 We are disappointed that the recent debate on our proposal to extend detention for some terrorist suspects has focused on a maximum limit of 90 days, as opposed to our strong position of extending detention in excess of 14 days, where necessary, through judicially approved seven day periods. As has already been accepted, extensions past seven days are used very infrequently and only then against those suspected of serious terrorist offences. Therefore, the focus on the maximum period is both unhelpful and misleading.

3.  POSSIBLE ALTERNATIVES TO EXTENDED DETENTION POWERS

  3.1  This submission will focus on the possible alternatives to extending detention powers, on which ACPO have not yet afforded a view, unlike the extended detention pre-charge debate.

  3.2  The police have reviewed the alternative proposals suggested and conclude that, although each alternative could be a useful tool in the fight against terrorism, they are not an adequate replacement or alternative to extending pre-charge detention. None of them will provide satisfactory safeguards when dealing with those terrorists determined to carry out the kind of atrocity experienced in July.

  3.3  All the alternatives to extended detention suggested are resource intensive and may divert resources away from the investigation in order to operate the alternatives.

4.  CONTEXT

  4.1  Before discussing the possible alternatives to pre-charge detention, we feel it is useful to restate the very real terrorist threat now facing us.

  4.2  The threat today is very different to that of the past, the terrorist challenge has changed.

  4.3 As was set out in Assistant Commissioner Hayman's letter of 6 October 2005, "The threat from international terrorism is so completely different that it has been necessary to adopt new ways of working. The advent of simultaneous terrorist attacks designed to cause mass casualties, with no warning, sometimes involving the use of suicide, and with the threat of chemical, biological, radiological or nuclear weapons means that we can no longer wait until the point of attack before intervening. The threat to the public is simply too great to run that risk."

  4.4  In the interests of public safety, we are now compelled to disrupt terrorist activity much earlier than before. This will normally involve arresting suspects where the necessary evidence to support charges reflecting the seriousness of the terrorist intentions is yet to be understood.

  4.5  As Chief Constable Ken Jones, Chair ACPO Terrorism and Allied Matters committee stated to the Joint Committee on Human Rights in October 2005:

    "the fundamental difference is that we now have people prepared to use suicide as a weapon and have an ideological motivation rather than as a purely political motivation which we have seen in other forms of terrorism. The other thing that has changed is that the organisation of terror is different. It is shapeless, it is amorphous and it is constantly changing and that is not inside our recent experience. That is a fundamental difference, the suicide issue and the ideological issue."

5.  PROVIDE MORE RESOURCES TO THE POLICE AND INTELLIGENCE SERVICES

  5.1  Although the Police Service naturally welcomes, and is increasing counter terrorism resources, the challenges presented to the Service by international terrorism must be met with the capacity to act swiftly and effectively with expertise and diligence, rather than with a mass deployment of personnel and equipment.

  5.2  The complexity of the investigative process, the sheer volume of intelligence and seized material, and the international dimension common to all modern terrorism operations require a methodical, sequential investigative process that places the onus on the quality of the work undertaken rather than the quantity of resources deployed. This cannot, as DAC Peter Clarke, Head of the Anti-Terrorist Branch said, be a "cavalry charge".

  5.3  Terrorist investigations form a complex sequence of inter-related activities beginning with the intelligence, evidence or events coming to notice, then progressing through meticulously recorded stages of retrieval, logging and assessment.

  5.4  Many investigative procedures, technical analysis and forensic processes are the preserve of highly skilled law enforcement and specialist agency personnel. They are inherently time consuming for scientific reasons or because only a limited number of people can ensure safety and continuity of the task at any given time.

  5.5  In order to identify the most productive strategies for interviewing suspects and furthering the investigation, it is necessary to establish a clear picture from the myriad of sources of information and utilize the value of verified forensic data. The Senior Investigating Officer and a small, dedicated team complete this task. Anything more than this can create confusion and the possibility of important evidence being missed.

  5.6  During the Joint Committee on Human Rights on 24 October 2005, Deputy Assistant Commissioner Peter Clarke was asked about this specific point by Dan Norris and his answer is still as relevant.

  Dan Norris: "Is it fair to say that some increase in resources would help and therefore perhaps the three-month detention period is too long?"

  Peter Clarke: "No, it would not. However many resources we had I do not think it would cut into the basic problem here, which is the sheer weight of material which we are routinely recovering in these cases. This has to be analysed at some point and then focused into an interview strategy and an investigation strategy set by the senior investigating officer. At some point one person has to be aware of what is emerging from all this data. It cannot just be a cavalry charge."

6.  BRINGING LESSER CHARGES TO ENABLE TERRORISM SUSPECTS TO BE HELD IN CUSTODY WHILE THE MAJOR INVESTIGATION PROCEEDS

  6.1  We believe there are a number of problems with the suggestion of charging for a lesser offence as an alternative to extending the period of detention.

  6.2  With the onset of statutory charging in England and Wales, the emphasis is on both the Police and Crown Prosecution Service working together as a "prosecution team" to ensure that the person is charged with the right offence from the outset, according to the evidence obtained. Not doing so is contrary to this important change in the Criminal Justice System.

  6.3  There is no guarantee that there will be sufficient evidence to charge with a lesser charge in all cases. Terrorist suspects are being arrested at a much earlier stage than before due to public safety. Although there will be grounds to make the arrest, this does not mean there is evidence to charge. Evidence may not become available until forensic analysis and computer evidence, for example, is obtained and that invariably takes time.

  6.4  Concentrating on a lesser charge would unnecessarily divert focus and resources away from fully investigating the offence for which the person had been arrested.

  6.5  Additionally, in order to allow a remand in custody to investigate terrorist offences, there would need to be a change in the law, as the investigation of another offence, for which someone is not currently charged, is not a legitimate reason for remanding a defendant in custody or delaying proceedings.

  6.6  Whereas an extension of detention would have robust judicial oversight every seven days, a remand in custody to allow further investigation into the terrorist offence would not have the same level of scrutiny and the defendant could spend longer in custody than necessary—the reverse intention.

  6.7  The lesser offence might not justify a remand in custody.

  6.8  The defendant may be advised to plead guilty and could be released unless the offence was serious enough to attract a custodial sentence, or their conviction history would justify it. This would allow a potential terrorist to walk free and pursue activities unhindered.

7.  USE OF TAGGING, SURVEILLANCE OR CONTROL ORDERS AS ALTERNATIVES TO CUSTODY

  7.1  Due to the nature of terrorism today and early intervention in order to prevent unnecessary loss of life, the use of tagging, surveillance or control orders are simply not an alternative to detention in the most serious of cases. Many terrorists today are willing to take their own lives and those of others as we saw in London on 7 July.

  7.2  Tagging allows Police to monitor the suspect and identify whether they breach their curfew. Tagging could not prevent a suspected terrorist from committing an act of terrorism or from removing their tag and fleeing the country.

  7.3  The Home Secretary may make a Control Order (with permission of the court, renewable after 12 months) if he has reasonable grounds for suspecting that an individual is or has been involved in terrorism-related activities and is satisfied that it is necessary to make an order for the purposes of protecting members of the public from terrorism. A control order is likely to be made, for example, when there is no likelihood of an individual being charged with a terrorist offence. Derogating control orders (ie those where the obligations imposed are incompatible with Article 5ECHR) can only be made by the court.

  7.4  Whilst control orders may be effective against those suspects on the periphery of terrorism, and may provide the adequate form of control that is required, they are not an alternative for those suspects that have been arrested for serious terrorist offences. Control orders do not replace detention as the ultimate measure for protection.

  7.5  Monitoring and surveillance are highly resource intensive and in order to be successful and to minimise the risk to the public it would require a team of police officers watching a person 24 hours a day, seven days a week. Not even that level of control would ensure the prevention of a suspect from planning or carrying out an attack. This is simply not practicable.

8.  POWER TO QUESTION TERRORIST SUSPECTS AFTER CHARGES HAVE BEEN BROUGHT

  8.1  The Police Service welcomes the decision by Government to examine whether there is any possibility of extending generally the ability of police to conduct interviewing post charge.

  8.2  There are, however, a number of problems with this being considered an alternative to extended detention in terrorist investigations.

  8.3  The detention process is not about interviewing alone as many people do not answer questions in any event. It is about a structured investigation and interview strategy, doing things in the most effective way and questioning, when the evidence has been obtained and assimilated, for maximum effect and maximum inference if the suspect fails to answer.

  8.4  At present, a suspect cannot be interviewed about an offence after they have been charged unless the interview is necessary, for example, in the interests of justice, for the detainee to have put to them, and have an opportunity to comment on, information concerning the offence which has come to light since they were charged.

  8.5  In order to be able to question suspects further after charge, a charge must first of all be preferred. As already stated, this is often one of the difficulties complex terrorist cases present. It may not be possible to collect all the evidence to charge someone with an appropriate offence within the permitted time.

  8.6  Any interview must be voluntary. In the majority of suspect interviews, terrorist suspects are advised, and exercise, their right to remain silent, from which no adverse inferences can be drawn. This is because the offence for which they have been charged is no longer being investigated and the caution under section 34 Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994, relating to adverse inferences, is not applicable. This provision, however, may be changed following a Government review of the position.

9.  PERMITTING THE USE OF TELEPHONE INTERCEPT EVIDENCE IN THE COURTS

  9.1  In relation to our ability to investigate terrorist offences, we welcome any development, which will allow us to put more evidence before the courts.

  9.2  From the ACPO perspective, there are three key issues:

    —  best evidence should always be sought and, in some circumstances, that includes intercepted communications;

    —  ACPO should move to a position where a selective approach to the evidential use of intercepted communications can be taken, with some areas excluded; and

    —  the opportunities involving interception of communications currently available should be better exploited. This would require higher levels of investment than currently exist.

  9.3  A group within ACPO is reviewing the intercept issue. The Group includes representation from the CPS and all the Security Services.

  9.4  The purpose of the ACPO working group was to develop guidance on interception of communications as a law enforcement technique and identify opportunities for enhancing current and future use by police; this will include advising in respect of appropriate legislation and other matters.

  9.5  The perspective was that there are a number of specific problems to be overcome:

    —  In respect of disclosure, this issue is currently being worked on by the CPS and in many respects is catered for in the decision in the case of "R v H and C".

    —  Delivery of Foreign Language interception translation to an evidential standard given the difficulties in securing adequately vetted listeners.

    —  Delivery of product to an evidential standard in the voice over internet environment subject to the technical difficulties, which are still to be overcome.

    —  Security issues currently being worked on by the Home Office led Intercept Advisory Group.

    —  ACPO do not see any differentiation between the use of interception in relation to serious crime and terrorism.

  9.6  Pre-emptive arrests made as a direct result of intelligence has meant that many investigations do not have the time frames to use intercept as an investigative tool. Therefore allowing intercept as evidence within the court will only be of value to those cases where we have been in a position to obtain such evidence before arrest.

13 December 2005





 
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