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Mr. Lewis: Was the hon. Gentleman negotiating a contract?

Mr. Turner: The Minister will be glad to know that I was doing no such thing.

As I was saying, if we draw a line around the London Oratory school to include 240 boys—or however many it admits—who live in the area, it would just about reach Fulham Broadway station. Such is the attractiveness and popularity of that school, that under the hon. Gentleman's proposal, it would be prevented from taking its historic mission to the Catholic children of London, which is the purpose for which that school, St. Luke's school, Portsmouth,

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and Catholic schools throughout the country were established. As an Anglican, I accept that it is not the same as the purpose for which Anglican schools were established.

What the hon. Member for Harrogate and Knaresborough is proposing would mean the destruction of most of the Catholic education system and a good part of the Anglican education system. If the hon. Gentleman dislikes the Bluecoat school in Liverpool or is hostile to the Bluecoat school in Oldham, it would help if he said so.

Mr. Lewis: Does the hon. Gentleman agree that it is possible that the reason why the clause was withdrawn is straightforward? It is the political consequence of the Liberal Democrats appearing to articulate the destruction of a significant majority of faith based schools, and the reaction of the leader of that party when he realised the implications if new clause 4 were to be accepted. Is that a reasonable assumption?

Mr. Turner: It is an entirely reasonable assumption. The leader of the Liberal Democrats is notorious for taking a laid-back approach to politics. However, I suspect his laying back has been sadly jolted by the understanding of what would happen if new clause 4 were to be implemented or if—and thank goodness it cannot be—the hon. Member for Harrogate and Knaresborough's amendment were accepted.

It being twenty minutes past Eleven o'clock, The Chairman, proceeded, pursuant to Sessional Order D [28 June 2001] and the Order of the Committee [11, 13 and 18 December 2001], to put forthwith the Question already proposed from the Chair.

Amendment negatived.

The Chairman then proceeded to put forthwith the Questions necessary to dispose of the business to be concluded at that time.

Question put, That clauses 44 to 46 stand part of the Bill:—

The Committee divided: Ayes 11, Noes 3.

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AYES
Bailey, Mr. Adrian Coaker, Mr. Vernon Flint, Caroline Francis, Dr. Hywel Heppell, Mr. John Kumar, Dr. Ashok
Lewis, Mr. Ivan Miliband, Mr. David Purnell, James Timms, Mr. Stephen Touhig, Mr. Don

NOES
Grayling, Chris Turner, Mr. Andrew
Willis, Mr. Phil

Question accordingly agreed to.

Clauses 44 to 46 ordered to stand part of the Bill.

Clause 47

Admission appeals

Amendment proposed: No. 287, in page 32, line 26, at end insert:

    '(5C) Regulations made by virtue of subsection (5A)(b) may provide for any of the provisions of sections 173 to 174 of the Local Government Act 1972 (allowances to members of local authorities and other bodies) to apply with prescribed modifications in relation to members of an appeal panel.'—[Mr. Timms.]

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Question put, That the amendment be made:—

The Committee divided: Ayes 11, Noes 3.

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AYES
Bailey, Mr. Adrian Coaker, Mr. Vernon Flint, Caroline Francis, Dr. Hywel Heppell, Mr. John Kumar, Dr. Ashok
Lewis, Mr. Ivan Miliband, Mr. David Purnell, James Timms, Mr. Stephen Touhig, Mr. Don

NOES
Grayling, Chris Turner, Mr. Andrew
Willis, Mr. Phil

Question accordingly agreed to.

Question put, That clause 47, as amended, and clause 48 stand part of the Bill:—

The Committee divided: Ayes 11, Noes 3.

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AYES
Bailey, Mr. Adrian Coaker, Mr. Vernon Flint, Caroline Francis, Dr. Hywel Heppell, Mr. John Kumar, Dr. Ashok
Lewis, Mr. Ivan Miliband, Mr. David Purnell, James Timms, Mr. Stephen Touhig, Mr. Don

NOES
Grayling, Chris Turner, Mr. Andrew
Willis, Mr. Phil

Question accordingly agreed to

Clause 47, as amended, and clause 48 ordered to stand part of the Bill.

Schedule 4

Admission arrangements

Amendments proposed: No. 304, in page 135, line 7, at end insert 'in paragraph (b),'.

No. 305 in page 135, line 33, at end insert:

    '(3B) Regulations made by virtue of subsection (3A)(c) may provide for any of the provisions of sections 173 to 174 of the Local

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    Government Act 1972 (allowances to members of local authorities and other bodies) to apply with prescribed modifications in relation to members of an appeal panel.'

No. 306, in page 137, leave out lines 1 to 9.—[Mr. Timms.]

Question put, That the amendments be made:—

The Committee divided: Ayes 11, Noes 3.

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AYES
Bailey, Mr. Adrian Coaker, Mr. Vernon Flint, Caroline Francis, Dr. Hywel Heppell, Mr. John Kumar, Dr. Ashok
Lewis, Mr. Ivan Miliband, Mr. David Purnell, James Timms, Mr. Stephen Touhig, Mr. Don

NOES
Grayling, Chris Turner, Mr. Andrew
Willis, Mr. Phil

Question accordingly agreed to.

Question put, That schedule 4, as amended, be the Fourth schedule to the Bill:—

The Committee divided: Ayes 11, Noes 3.

Division No. 28]

AYES
Bailey, Mr. Adrian Coaker, Mr. Vernon Flint, Caroline Francis, Dr. Hywel Heppell, Mr. John Kumar, Dr. Ashok
Lewis, Mr. Ivan Miliband, Mr. David Purnell, James Timms, Mr. Stephen Touhig, Mr. Don

NOES
Grayling, Chris Turner, Mr. Andrew
Willis, Mr. Phil

Question accordingly agreed to.

Schedule 4, as amended, agreed to.

Adjourned accordingly at twenty-eight minutes past Eleven o'clock, till this day at half-past Two o'clock.

The following Members attended the Committee:
Pike, Mr. Peter (Chairman)
Bailey, Mr.
Brady, Mr.
Coaker, Mr.
Flint, Caroline
Francis, Dr.
Grayling, Chris
Heppell, Mr.
Kumar, Dr.
Lewis, Mr. Ivan
Miliband, Mr.
O'Brien, Mr. Stephen
Purnell, James
Timms, Mr.
Touhig, Mr.
Turner, Mr. Andrew
Willis, Mr.

 
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