Examination of Witnesses (Questions 460
TUESDAY 5 FEBRUARY 2002
460. Can I ask all three of you whether or not
you believe that developers should cough up for the cost of improving
(Mr Goulcher) Shall I start?
(Mr Goulcher) In brief, where the development leads
to a capacity problem and where the development is gaining in
terms of commercial income from an expansion of capacity to meet
that extra demand we believe it is appropriate for a contribution
to be made.
462. You already told us or accepted there is
a capacity problem on the Central Line therefore why was there
no developer's money forthcoming from the Heron Development, where
there had been for the Jubilee Line extension and the Canary Wharf
(Mr Goulcher) The upgrade project on the Central Line
in planning and the financial approval preceded that development
activity. In any event, the difficulty there would be distinguishing
between the impact of a specific development, for example, on
a particular station and the general impact of economic development,
where it is very difficult to attribute required infrastructure
to a particular commercial development. That is the difficulty.
In those circumstances there is obviously a role for local authorities
to play in trying to bring together as much contribution as possible.
463. Greater integration.
(Mr Palmer) The principle that developers contribute
to things, improvements to roundabouts or highway widening has
been long enshrined in planning approaches. The difficulty with
public transport, of course, is the on-going support of public
transport services. Most developers are quite prepared and will
accept the fact that they may have to pay money towards providing
new infrastructure, it is the on-going commitment where they start
having some concerns.
464. What about a one-off Underground station
upgrade, would that not be a reasonable request?
(Mr Palmer) That might be a reasonable request, the
trouble is it is very expensive.
465. Would you like to be put a cost on that?
(Mr Palmer) I would not.
(Mr Goulcher) There are examples where that has happened,
Fulham Broadway at the moment is on site, although it is a project
entirely funded by a developer there.
466. Fulham Green.
(Mr Goulcher) Park Royal development is planning a
new station on the Central Line.
467. Can you tell the Committee how much it
would cost to get this five per cent extra capacity on the Central
(Mr Goulcher) In terms of train service capacity,
as I was saying, there really is no scope for increasing capacity.
468. How much would it cost?
(Mr Goulcher) Technically it could not be done, it
is not a matter of money.
469. You cannot increase the Central Line capacity
by five per cent?
(Mr Goulcher) Over the next three or four years we
470. How much is that going to cost you?
(Mr Goulcher) To do that?
(Mr Goulcher) At the moment it is the cost of additional
train operators, and so forth, small numbers of millions.
472. Small numbers of millions.
(Mr Goulcher) As opposed to the Central Line project
which is 800 or 900 million
(Mr McKenna) The cost of most of it has already been
473. How much does it cost to upgrade an underground
(Mr McKenna) Anything between five million and 100
million. Bigger stations will be at the bigger end of that.
474. That is the sort of scale.
(Mr McKenna) We are talking about spending nearly
quarter of a billion at King's Cross.
Chairman: On that note can I thank you very
much for your evidence.