Select Committee on Health Third Report



PROCEEDINGS OF THE COMMITTEE RELATING TO THE REPORT

Wednesday 17 July 2002

[Morning meeting]

Members present:

 

Mr Simon Burns

Jim Dowd

Julia Drown

Dr Doug Naysmith

Dr Richard Taylor

In the absence of the Chairman, Julia Drown was called to the Chair.

Draft Report (Delayed Discharges), proposed by the Chairman, brought up and read.

Ordered, That the draft Report be read a second time, paragraph by paragraph.

Paragraphs 1 to 101 read and agreed to.

Paragraph 102 read as follows:

We therefore consider that a distinction needs to be made between NHS long term care and care home places - hence the analysis indicated in paragraph 99 above. We conclude that the figure of 50,000 arguably overstates the full losses that have occurred since it includes NHS provision that is different in kind from care home provision. At the same time, however, the figure of 19,000 appears to us to be arguably an under-estimate of the losses that have taken place. If trends in the provision of all care home places (across local authority, private and voluntary providers) are considered, there has been a net loss of 34,200 places between 1997 and 2001.

Amendment proposed, in line 8, after "34,200 places" insert "this figure excludes NHS long-stay beds". — (Mr Simon Burns.)

Question put, That the Amendment be made.

The Committee divided.

 

1  

3  Ayes, 2

5  Mr Simon Burns

2  Dr Richard Taylor

4  Noes, 2

6  Mr Jim Dowd

Dr Doug Naysmith

 

Whereupon the Chairman declared herself with the Noes.

Amendment negatived.

Another Amendment proposed, in line 8 after "34,200 places" insert "(see paragraph 99)". — (Jim Dowd.)

Amendment agreed to.

Another Amendment proposed, in line 8 after "34,200 places" insert footnote (This figure comprises local authority residential beds (13,600) and private and voluntary homes beds (20,600). It excludes NHS long stay beds.)" — (Mr Simon Burns).

Question put, That the Amendment be made.

The Committee divided.

  

Ayes, 2

Mr Simon Burns

Dr Richard Taylor

Noes, 2

Mr Jim Dowd

Dr Doug Naysmith

Whereupon the Chairman declared herself with the Noes.

Amendment negatived.

Question put, That the Paragraph stand part of the Report.

The Committee divided.

 

Ayes, 3

Mr Jim Dowd    

Dr Doug Naysmith

Dr Richard Taylor

Noes, 1

Mr Simon Burns

Paragraph 102, as amended, agreed to.

Paragraphs 103 to 191 read and agreed to.

Resolved, that the Report, as amended, be the Third Report of the Committee to the House.

Ordered, That the Chairman do make the Report to the House.

Ordered, That the provisions of Standing Order No. 134 (Select committees (reports)) be applied to the Report.

Several Papers were ordered to be appended to the Minutes of Evidence.

Ordered, That the Appendices to the Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee be reported to the House.—(The Chairman.)

Several Papers were ordered to be reported to the House.

[Adjourned till this day at a quarter to four o'clock.]

 


 
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