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WEDNESDAY 18 JULY 2001

Members present:

   
Mr David Crausby Mr Bruce George
Mr Mike Hancock Mr Gerald Howarth
Mr Kevan Jones Jim Knight
Dr Julian Lewis Patrick Mercer
Syd Rapson Mr Frank Roy
Rachel Squire

Members disclosed their interests pursuant to the resolution of the House of 13 July 1992. For details of the declarations see Annex, p 33

Mr Bruce George was called to the Chair.

The Committee deliberated.

Ordered, That Strangers be admitted during the examination of witnesses unless the Committee otherwise orders.–(The Chairman.)

Draft Special Report [Government Observations on the Sixth Report from the Committee of Session 2000-01: The Strategic Defence Review: The Reserve Forces] proposed, by the Chairman, brought up, read the first and second time, and agreed to.

Resolved, That the Report be the First Special Report of the Committee to the House.

Ordered, That the Chairman do make the Report to the House.

Draft Special Report [Government Observations on the Eighth Report from the Committee of Session 2000-01: The MoD's Annual Reporting Cycle 2000-01] proposed, by the Chairman, brought up, read the first and second time, and agreed to.

Resolved, That the Report be the Second Special Report of the Committee to the House.

Ordered, That the Chairman do make the Report to the House.

Resolved, That the Committee do inquire into Armed Forces Pension and Compensation Reviews.–(The Chairman.)

Resolved, That the Committee do visit British Forces involved in Exercise Saif Sareea in Oman in October.–(The Chairman.)

Ordered, That the Chairman do seek the approval of the Liaison Committee for expenditure in connection with the said visit.

Resolved, That Professor Michael Clarke and Rear-Admiral Richard Cobbold CB be appointed Specialist Advisers to assist the Committee in its inquiries.–(The Chairman.)

[Adjourned till Nine o'clock on Thursday 4 October.

THURSDAY 4 OCTOBER 2001

Members present:

Mr Bruce George, in the Chair

Mr David Crausby Mr Mike Hancock
Mr Gerald Howarth Mr Kevan Jones
Jim Knight Dr Julian Lewis
Patrick Mercer Syd Rapson
Mr Frank Roy Rachel Squire

The Committee deliberated.

[Adjourned till Wednesday 17 October at half-past Four o'clock.

   

WEDNESDAY 17 OCTOBER 2001

Members present:

Mr Bruce George, in the Chair

Mr David Crausby Mr Mike Hancock
Mr Gerald Howarth Mr Kevan Jones
Jim Knight Dr Julian Lewis
Patrick Mercer Syd Rapson
Mr Frank Roy Rachel Squire

The Committee deliberated.

Resolved, That the Committee do visit Brussels in January 2002.–(The Chairman.)

Ordered, That the Chairman do seek the approval of the Liaison Committee for expenditure in connection with the said visit.

Resolved, That the Committee do inquire into the Threat from Terrorism.–(The Chairman.)

Ordered, That Professor Paul Wilkinson and Dr Andrew Rathmell be appointed Specialist Advisers to assist the Committee in its inquiry into the Threat from Terrorism.–(The Chairman.)

Ordered, That Air Vice-Marshal Professor Tony Mason CB CBE be appointed a Specialist Adviser to assist the Committee in matters relating to RAF single service issues.–(The Chairman.)

Ordered, That Professor Malcolm Harrington, Mr John Robbs and Sue Ward be appointed Specialist Advisers to assist the Committee in its inquiry into the Armed Forces Pension and Compensation Reviews.–(The Chairman.)

Ordered, That Professor David Kirkpatrick be appointed a Specialist Adviser to assist the Committee in matters relating to procurement.–(The Chairman.)

Ordered, That Dr Irina Isakova be appointed a Specialist Adviser to assist the Committee in matters relating to the countries of the former Soviet Union.–(The Chairman.)

[Adjourned till Wednesday 31 October at half-past Ten o'clock.

   

WEDNESDAY 31 OCTOBER

Members present:

Mr Bruce George, in the Chair

Mr James Cran Mr David Crausby
Mr Mike Hancock Mr Gerald Howarth
Mr Kevan Jones Jim Knight
Patrick Mercer Mr Frank Roy
Rachel Squire

The Committee deliberated.

Mr James Cran had no interests to declare.

Resolved, That the Committee do visit Washington in February 2002.–(The Chairman.)

Ordered, That Rachel Squire and the Clerk do visit Brussels on 6-7 November to attend the Follow-up Conference on the Parliamentary Dimension of the European Security and Defence Policy, in a representative capacity.–(The Chairman.)

Ordered, That the Chairman do seek the approval of the Liaison Committee for expenditure in connection with the said visits.

Resolved, That the Committee do visit DSTL Chemical and Biological Sciences, Porton Down, in connection with its inquiry into the Threat from Terrorism.–(The Chairman.)

Resolved, That the Committee do visit the Centre for Defence Medicine in Birmingham in December.–(The Chairman.)

Resolved, That Professor Mark Mildred be appointed a Specialist Adviser to assist the Committee in its inquiry into the Armed Forces Pension and Compensation Reviews.–(The Chairman.)

[Adjourned till Wednesday 7 November at half-past Ten o'clock.

WEDNESDAY 7 NOVEMBER 2001

Members present:

Mr Bruce George, in the Chair

   
Mr James Cran Mr David Crausby
Mr Gerald Howarth Mr Kevan Jones
Jim Knight Patrick Mercer
Syd Rapson Mr Frank Roy

The Committee deliberated.

The Threat from Terrorism: Mr Simon Webb CBE, Policy Director, Air Marshal Joe French CBE, Chief of Defence Intelligence, and Major-General Tony Milton OBE RM, Director General Joint Doctrine and Concepts, Ministry of Defence, were examined.

[Adjourned till Tuesday 13 November at Ten o'clock.
   

TUESDAY 13 NOVEMBER 2001

Members present:

Mr Bruce George, in the Chair

   
Mr James Cran Mr Mike Hancock
Mr Gerald Howarth Mr Kevan Jones
Jim Knight Patrick Mercer
Syd Rapson Rachel Squire

The Committee deliberated.

Resolved, That the Ministry of Defence have leave to publish its memorandum submitted on the War Pensions Agency in accordance with the provisions
of S.O. No. 135(1).–(The Chairman.)

Resolved, That the Committee do inquire into the provisions of the Anti-terroism, Crime and Security Bill, relating to the Ministry of Defence Police.–(The Chairman.)

The Threat from Terrorism: Dr Magnus Ranstorp, Centre for the Study of Terrorism and Political Violence, St. Andrew's University, Professor Graham Pearson, former Director, Chemical Defence Establishment Porton Down and Visiting Professor, Department of Peace Studies, University of Bradford, Mr Alastair Hay, Reader in Chemical Pathology, University of Leeds; and Professor Lawrence Freedman, Professor of War Studies, King's College London, were examined.                        
[Adjourned to Thursday 22 November at Ten o'clock.

THURSDAY 22 NOVEMBER 2001

Members present:

Mr Bruce George, in the Chair

   
Mr James Cran Mr Mike Hancock
Mr Gerald Howarth Mr Kevan Jones
Jim Knight Patrick Mercer
Syd Rapson Rachel Squire

The Committee deliberated.

Provisions of the Anti-terrorism, Crime and Security Bill relating to the Ministry of Defence Police: Mr David Ray, Assistant Chief Constable and Mr Paul Crowther, Head of Secretariat, Ministry of Defence Police; and Mr John Giffard QPM, Chief Constable, Staffordshire Police and Chairman of the General Policing Business Area, Association of Chief Police Officers, were examined.

[Adjourned till Wednesday 28 November at Ten o'clock.
   

WEDNESDAY 28 NOVEMBER 2001

MORNING SITTING

Members present:

Mr Bruce George, in the Chair

   
Mr James Cran Mr David Crausby
Mr Mike Hancock Mr Gerald Howarth
Mr Kevan Jones Jim Knight
Patrick Mercer Syd Rapson
Mr Frank Roy Rachel Squire

The Committee deliberated.

The Threat from Terrorism: Air Marshal Sir Tim Garden KCB, Visiting Professor, Centre for Defence Studies, King's College London and Professor Paul Rogers, Professor of Peace Studies, University of Bradford, were examined.

[Adjourned till this day at half-past Three o'clock.

WEDNESDAY 28 NOVEMBER 2001

AFTERNOON SITTING

Members present:

Mr Bruce George, in the Chair

   
Mr James Cran Mr David Crausby
Mr Mike Hancock Mr Gerald Howarth
Jim Knight Patrick Mercer
Syd Rapson Mr Frank Roy
Rachel Squire

The Committee deliberated.

The Threat from Terrorism: Rt Hon. Geoffrey Hoon, a Member of the House, Secretary of State for Defence, was examined and Mr Simon Webb CBE, Policy Director, Ministry of Defence, was further examined.

Ordered, That the uncorrected transcript of the oral evidence given by Rt Hon. Geoffrey Hoon, Secretary of State for Defence to be published on the Internet.–(The Chairman)

[Adjourned till Wednesday 5 December at a Ten o'clock.
   

WEDNESDAY 5 DECEMBER 2001

Members present:

Mr Bruce George, in the Chair

   
Mr David Crausby Mr Gerald Howarth
Mr Kevan Jones Jim Knight
Patrick Mercer Syd Rapson
Rachel Squire

The Committee deliberated.

Resolved, That the Committee do inquire into European Security and Defence.–(The Chairman.)

Draft Report (The Ministry of Defence Police: Changes in Jurisdiction Proposed under the Anti-terrorism, Crime and Security Bill 2001), proposed by the Chairman, brought up and read.

Ordered, That the draft Report be read a second time, paragraph by paragraph.

Paragraphs 1 to 53 read and agreed to.

Annex [Summary] agreed to.

Resolved, That the Report be the First Report of the Committee to the House.

Ordered, That the Chairman do make the Report to the House.
Ordered, That the Appendices to the Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee be reported to the House.

The Committee further deliberated.

[Adjourned till Wednesday 12 December at Ten o'clock.

   

WEDNESDAY 12 DECEMBER 2001

Members present:

Mr Bruce George, in the Chair

   
Mr James Cran Mr David Crausby
Mr Mike Hancock Mr Gerald Howarth
Mr Kevan Jones Patrick Mercer
Syd Rapson Mr Frank Roy
Rachel Squire

The Committee deliberated.

Resolved, That the Committee do inquire into Defence and Security in the United Kingdom.–(The Chairman.)

Resolved, That the Committee do visit the Atomic Weapons Establishment, Aldermaston, in connection with the inquiry into Defence and Security in the United Kingdom.–(The Chairman.)

Draft Report (The Threat from Terrorism), proposed by the Chairman, brought up and read.

Ordered, That the draft Report be read a second time, paragraph by paragraph.

Paragraphs 1 to 145 read and agreed to.

Annex [Summary] agreed to.

Resolved, That the Report be the Second Report of the Committee to the House.

Ordered, That the Chairman do make the Report to the House.

Ordered, That the provisions of Standing Order No. 134 (Select committees (reports)) be applied to the Report.

Ordered, That the Appendices to the Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee be reported to the House.

Several memoranda were ordered to be reported to the House.

The Committee further deliberated.

[Adjourned till Tuesday 18 December at Four o'clock.

TUESDAY 18 DECEMBER 2001

The Defence, Foreign Affairs, International Development and Trade and Industry Committees met concurrently, pursuant to Standing Order No. 137A

Members present:


Defence Committee:

Foreign Affairs Committee:

International Development Committee:

Trade and Industry Committee:

Mr Bruce George
Patrick Mercer

Rachel Squire

Mr Donald Anderson
Mr Andrew Mackinlay

Mr Bill Olner

Sir John Stanley

Gisela Stuart

Tony Baldry
Mr Alistair Carmichael

Ann Clwyd

Mr Tony Colman

Mr Piara S Khabra

Mr Tony Worthington

Mr Roger Berry
Mr Andrew Lansley

Mr Martin O'Neill


Mr Roger Berry was called to the Chair.

The Committees deliberated.

[Adjourned till Wednesday 19 December at Ten o'clock.
   

WEDNESDAY 19 DECEMBER 2001

Members present:

Mr Bruce George, in the Chair

   
Mr James Cran Mr David Crausby
Mr Gerald Howarth Mr Kevan Jones
Jim Knight Patrick Mercer
Syd Rapson Rachel Squire

The Committee deliberated.

Resolved, That Mr Peter Clarke, Dr Eric Dykes, Dr James Broderick and Mr Paul Read be appointed as Specialist Advisers to assist the Committee in its inquiry into Defence and Security in the United Kingdom.–(The Chairman.)

Resolved, That Mr Andrew McDonald be appointed a Specialist Adviser to assist the Committee in its inquiry into the Armed Forces Pension and Compensation Reviews.–(The Chairman.)

Resolved, That Brigadier Austin Thorpe be appointed a Specialist Adviser in matters relating to Army single service issues.–(The Chairman.)

European Security and Defence Policy: Rt Hon. Adam Ingram, a Member of the House, Minister for the Armed Forces and Mr Ian Lee, Director Europe, Ministry of Defence were examined and Mr Simon Webb CBE, Policy Director, Ministry of Defence was further examined.

Ordered, That the uncorrected transcript of the oral evidence given by Rt Hon. Adam Ingram, Minister for the Armed Forces, be published on the Internet.–(The Chairman)

[Adjourned till Wednesday 9 January at Ten o'clock.

WEDNESDAY 9 JANUARY 2002

Members present:

Mr Bruce George, in the Chair

   
Mr James Cran Mr David Crausby
Mr Mike Hancock Mr Gerald Howarth
Mr Kevan Jones Jim Knight
Patrick Mercer Syd Rapson
Mr Frank Roy Rachel Squire

The Committee deliberated.

[Adjourned till Wednesday 16 January at Ten o'clock.

WEDNESDAY 16 JANUARY 2002

Members present:

Mr Bruce George, in the Chair

   
Mr James Cran Mr David Crausby
Mr Mike Hancock Mr Gerald Howarth
Mr Kevan Jones Jim Knight
Patrick Mercer Syd Rapson
Mr Frank Roy Rachel Squire

The Committee deliberated.

Resolved, That the Committee do inquire into Ministry of Defence Major Procurement Projects.–(The Chairman.)

Resolved, That the Committee do inquire into Missile Defence.–(The Chairman)

Resolved, That Mr Duncan Lennox, Sir Michael Quinlan KCB, and Dr Michael Rance be appointed as Specialist Advisers to assist the Committee in its inquiry into Missile Defence.–(The Chairman.)

Defence and Security in the UK: Mr Mike Granatt CB, Head of Secretariat, Brigadier Ian Abbott, Director, Capabilities Management, and Mr Kevin Wallace, Deputy Director, Civil Contingencies Secretariat, were examined.

[Adjourned till Wednesday 30 January at Ten o'clock.

WEDNESDAY 30 JANUARY 2002

Members present:

Mr Bruce George, in the Chair

   
Mr James Cran Mr David Crausby
Mr Mike Hancock Mr Gerald Howarth
Mr Kevan Jones Patrick Mercer
Syd Rapson Mr Frank Roy
Rachel Squire

The Committee deliberated.

Resolved, That the Ministry of Defence have leave to publish its memorandum submitted on Gulf veterans' illnesses in accordance with the provisions of S.O. No. 135(1).–(The Chairman.)

Resolved, That the Committee do visit Scotland in March in connection with the inquiry into Defence and Security in the United Kingdom.–(The Chairman.)

Defence and Security in the UK: Ms Gloria Craig, Director General, Security and Safety, Mr Lloyd Clarke, Chief Constable, Ministry of Defence Police and Mr John Cochrane, Director, Defence Security, Ministry of Defence, were examined.

Resolved, That the Committee do now sit in private.–(The Chairman.)

[Adjourned till Wednesday 13 February at Ten o'clock.
   

WEDNESDAY 13 FEBRUARY 2002

Members present:

Mr Bruce George, in the Chair

   
Mr James Cran Mr Mike Hancock
Mr Kevan Jones Patrick Mercer
Syd Rapson Mr Frank Roy
Rachel Squire

The Committee deliberated.

Draft Special Report [Government Response to the First Report from the Committee on the Ministry of Defence Police: Changes in Jurisdiction proposed under the Anti-terrorism, Crime and Security Bill 2001] proposed, by the Chairman, brought up, read the first and second time, and agreed to.

Resolved, That the Report be the Third Special Report of the Committee to the House.

Ordered, That the Chairman do make the Report to the House.

The Committee further deliberated.

Resolved, That the Committee do visit RAF Coningsby in March in connection with the inquiry into Defence and Security in the United Kingdom.–(The Chairman.)

Defence and Security in the UK: Mr Desmond Bowen, Director General Operational Policy, Mr Colin Davenport, Head of the Home Secretariat, Commodore Andrew Dickson, Director of Naval Operations, Brigadier Nick Houghton, Director of Military Operations and Air Commodore Ron Cook, Air Operations, HQ Strike Command, Ministry of Defence were examined.

[Adjourned till Wednesday 27 February at half-past Nine o'clock.

WEDNESDAY 27 FEBRUARY 2002

Members present:

Mr Bruce George, in the Chair

   
Mr David Crausby Mr Mike Hancock
Mr Gerald Howarth Mr Kevan Jones
Jim Knight Patrick Mercer
Syd Rapson Mr Frank Roy
Rachel Squire

The Committee deliberated.

Resolved, That the Committee do inquire into the Future of NATO.–(The Chairman.)

Resolved, That the Committee do visit British Forces in Afghanistan in April.–(The Chairman.)

Resolved, That the Committee do visit Bulgaria, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Romania, Slovakia and Slovenia in connection with the inquiry into the Future of NATO.–(The Chairman.)

Resolved, That the Committee do visit Russia.–(The Chairman.)

Ordered, That the Chairman do seek the approval of the Liaison Committee for expenditure in connection with the said visits.

Missile Defence: Mr Brian Hawtin CBE, Director-General International Security Policy, Commodore Marcus Fitzgerald RN, Director Nuclear Policy, Mr Paul Roper, Director Strategic Technologies, and Mr Andy Helliwell, Assistant Director of Nuclear Policy for Missile Defence, Ministry of Defence, were examined.

[Adjourned till Wednesday 6 March at Ten o'clock.

WEDNESDAY 6 MARCH 2002

Members present:

Mr Bruce George, in the Chair

   
Mr David Crausby Mr Mike Hancock
Mr Gerald Howarth Mr Kevan Jones
Jim Knight Syd Rapson
Rachel Squire

The Committee deliberated.

Draft Special Report [Government Response to the Second Report from the Committee on the Threat from Terrorism] proposed, by the Chairman, brought up, read the first and second time, and agreed to.

Resolved, That the Report be the Fourth Special Report of the Committee to the House.

Ordered, That the Chairman do make the Report to the House.      

Resolved, That the Committee do inquire into the SDR New Chapter.–(The Chairman.)

The Committee deliberated.

Armed Forces Pension and Compensation Reviews: Col Terry English, Controller Welfare, Royal British Legion, Major (Rtd) Tom House, Head of Pensions Department, Royal British Legion, Lt Col (Rtd) S A Coltman OBE, British Ex-Service Men's Association and member of Royal British Legion; Air Chief Marshal Sir Roger Palin KCB OBE, Chairman, Forces Pension Society, Major General James Gordon CBE, General Secretary, Forces Pension Society and Commodore Phil Wilkinson CVO, Assistant General Secretary, Forces Pension Society were examined.

[Adjourned till this day at four o'clock.

WEDNESDAY 6 MARCH 2002

Members present:

Mr Bruce George, in the Chair

   
Mr David Crausby Mr Mike Hancock
Mr Gerald Howarth Mr Kevan Jones
Jim Knight Syd Rapson
Mr Frank Roy Rachel Squire

The Committee deliberated

Defence and Security in the UK: Mr Desmond Bowen, Director General Operational Policy, Mr Colin Davenport, Head of the Home Secretariat, Commodore Andrew Dickson, Director of Naval Operations, Brigadier Nick Houghton, Director of Military Operations and Air Commodore Ron Cook, Air Operations, HQ Strike Command, Ministry of Defence were further examined.

Resolved, That the Committee do now sit in private.–(The Chairman.)

[Adjourned till Wednesday 13 March at half-past Nine o'clock.

WEDNESDAY 13 MARCH 2002

Members present:

Mr Bruce George, in the Chair

   
Mr David Crausby Mr Mike Hancock
Mr Gerald Howarth Mr Kevan Jones
Jim Knight Syd Rapson
Rachel Squire

The Committee deliberated.

Armed Forces Pension and Compensation Reviews: Rt Hon. Adam Ingram, a Member of the House, Minister for the Armed Forces was further examined, and Mr Barry Miller, Director General, Service Personnel Policy Ministry of Defence was examined.

Ordered, That the uncorrected transcript of the oral evidence given by Rt Hon. Adam Ingram, Minister for the Armed Forces to be published on the Internet.– (The Chairman.)

[Adjourned till Wednesday 20 March at nine o'clock.

WEDNESDAY 20 MARCH 2002

Members present:

Mr Bruce George, in the Chair

   
Mr James Cran Mr David Crausby
Mr Gerald Howarth Jim Knight
Patrick Mercer Mr Frank Roy
Rachel Squire

The Committee deliberated

Missile Defence: Rt Hon. Geoffrey Hoon, a Member of the House, Secretary of State for Defence and Mr Brian Hawtin CB Director-General International Security Policy, Ministry of Defence, were further examined.

Ordered, That the uncorrected transcript of the oral evidence given by Rt Hon. Geoffrey Hoon, Secretary of State for Defence be published on the Internet.–(The Chairman)

[Adjourned till Thursday 21 March at ten o'clock.

THURSDAY 21 MARCH 2002

The Defence, Foreign Affairs, International Development and Trade and Industry Committees met concurrently, pursuant to Standing Order No. 137A

Members present:


Defence Committee:

Foreign Affairs Committee:

International Development Committee:

Trade and Industry Committee:

Mr Bruce George
Mr Gerald Howarth

Rachel Squire

Mr Donald Anderson
Sir John Stanley

Tony Baldry
John Barrett

Mr Tony Worthington

Mr Roger Berry
Mr Andrew Lansley

Mr Martin O'Neill


Mr Roger Berry was called to the Chair.

The Committees deliberated.

Strategic Export Controls: Annual Report for 2000, Licensing Policy and Prior Parliamentary Scrutiny: Rt Hon. Jack Straw, a Member of the House, Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs, Mr William Ehrman, Director, International Security, and Mr Tim Dowse, Head of Non-Proliferation Department, Foreign and Commonwealth Office were examined.

Resolved, That the Committee do now sit in private.–(The Chairman.)

[Adjourned till Wednesday 10 April at Ten o'clock.

WEDNESDAY 10 APRIL 2002

   MORNING SITTING

Members present:

Mr Bruce George, in the Chair

   
Mr David Crausby Mr James Cran
Mr Mike Hancock Mr Gerald Howarth
Mr Kevan Jones Jim Knight
Patrick Mercer Syd Rapson
Mr Frank Roy Rachel Squire

The Committee deliberated

In the absence of the Chairman, Mr Gerald Howarth was called to the Chair.

Mr Bruce George took the Chair.

Defence and Security in the UK: Councillor Tony Phillips, Deputy Chair, Local Government Association, Public Protection Committee (Independent Member for West Wiltshire), Mr Tom Griffin, Chief Executive, Suffolk Coastal District Council, Mr Ian Shuttleworth, Chief Emergency Planning Officer, Derbyshire County Council, Mr David Kerry, Chief Emergency Planning Officer, London Borough of Hounslow; Mr Ian Hoult, Emergency Planning Officer for Hampshire, Mr Patrick Cunningham, Chief Emergency Planning Officer for County Durham and Darlington and Mr Mike Parker, Emergency Planning Officer for Severn Trent Water were examined.

[Adjourned till this day at Four o'clock.
       

WEDNESDAY 10 APRIL 2002

AFTERNOON SITTING
   

Members present:

Mr Bruce George, in the Chair

Mr David Crausby Mr James Cran
Mr Mike Hancock Mr Kevan Jones
Syd Rapson Mr Frank Roy
Rachel Squire

The Committee deliberated

Defence and Security in the UK: Mr John Sharp, CEO Business Continuity Institute,?Mr David Gamble, Executive Director, Association of Insurance and Risk Managers and Mr Paul Wood MBE, Global Head of Security Risk, UBS Warburg were examined

[Adjourned till Wednesday 17 April at Ten o'clock.

WEDNESDAY 17 APRIL 2002

MORNING SITTING
   

Members present:

Mr Bruce George, in the Chair

Mr James Cran Mr Mike Hancock
Mr Kevan Jones Jim Knight
Patrick Mercer Syd Rapson
Mr Frank Roy Rachel Squire

The Committee deliberated

Ordered, That Dr Jonathan Eyal be appointed a Specialist Adviser to assist the Committee in its inquiry relating to the Future of NATO.–(The Chairman)

Defence and Security in the UK: Mr Ian Devlin, Director and Mr David Elbourne, Strategy and Resource Manager TRANSEC, Department of Transport, Local Government and the Regions were examined.

[Adjourned till Wednesday 17 April at Four o'clock

       

WEDNESDAY 17 APRIL 2002

AFTERNOON SITTING
   

Members present:

Mr Bruce George, in the Chair

Mr James Cran Mr Mike Hancock
Mr Gerald Howarth Patrick Mercer
Syd Rapson

The Committee deliberated

Defence and Security in the United Kingdom: Mr Gron Roberts OBE, President of Ambulance Service Association and Chief Executive of Essex Ambulance Service NHS Trust and Mr Peter Bradley, Chairman of ASA Operations Committee and Chief Executive of London Ambulance Service NHS Trust were examined.

[Adjourned till Wednesday 24 April at Ten o'clock

WEDNESDAY 24 APRIL 2002

MORNING SITTING

Members present:

Mr Bruce George, in the Chair

Mr David Crausby Mr Gerald Howarth
Mr Kevan Jones Jim Knight
Patrick Mercer Syd Rapson
Mr Frank Roy Rachel Squire

The Committee deliberated.

Defence and Security in the United Kingdom: Dr Pat Troop, Deputy Chief Medical Officer, Mr David Harper, Head of Environment and Health Branch, and Dr Mary O'Mahony, Head of Communicable Disease Branch Department of Health; Chief Fire Officer Richard Bull, Tyne and Wear, Metropolitan Fire Brigade, Chief Fire Officer Paul Young, Devon Fire and Rescue Service and Assistant Commissioner Rob Dobson, London Fire and Emergency Planning Authority were examined.
                           

[Adjourned till this day at Four o'clock

       

WEDNESDAY 24 APRIL 2002

AFTERNOON SITTING

Members present:

Mr Bruce George, in the Chair

Mr David Crausby Jim Knight
Patrick Mercer Syd Rapson
Mr Frank Roy Rachel Squire

The Committee deliberated.

[Adjourned till Thursday 25 April at Four o'clock

THURSDAY 25 APRIL 2002

MORNING SITTING

Members present:

Mr Bruce George, in the Chair

   

Mr Kevan Jones Patrick Mercer
Syd Rapson Mr Frank Roy

The Committee deliberated.

Major Procurement Projects: Sir Robert Walmsley KCB, Chief of Defence Procurement and Mr John Coles, Chief Executive Warship Support Agency, Ministry of Defence were examined.

[Adjourned till Wednesday l May at Ten o'clock
   

WEDNESDAY 1 MAY 2002

MORNING SITTING
   

Members present:

Mr Bruce George, in the Chair

Mr James Cran Mr Mike Hancock
Mr Gerald Howarth Mr Kevan Jones
Jim Knight Patrick Mercer
Syd Rapson

The Committee deliberated.

Major Procurement Projects: Sir Jock Stirrup KCB, Deputy Chief of the Defence Staff Ministry of Defence was examined.

[Adjourned till this day at Four o'clock

WEDNESDAY 1 MAY 2002

AFTERNOON SITTING

Members Present:

Mr Bruce George, in the Chair

Mr James Cran Mr Mike Hancock
Mr Gerald Howarth Mr Kevan Jones
Jim Knight Syd Rapson
Rachel Squire

The Committee deliberated.

Draft Report (The Ministry of Defence Reviews of Armed Forces' Pension and Compensation Arrangements), proposed by the Chairman, brought up and read.

Ordered, That the draft Report be read a second time, paragraph by paragraph.

Paragraphs 1 to 151 read and agreed to.

Annex [Summary] agreed to.

Resolved, That the Report be the Third Report of the Committee to the House.

Ordered, That the Chairman do make the Report to the House.

Ordered, That the provisions of Standing Order No.134 (Select committees (reports)) be applied to the Report.

Ordered, That the Appendices to the Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee be reported to the House.

The Committee further deliberated.

[Adjourned till Tuesday May 7 at Four o'clock.

TUESDAY 7 MAY 2002

AFTERNOON SITTING

Members Present:

Mr Bruce George, in the Chair

Mr James Cran Jim Knight
Syd Rapson

The Committee deliberated.

Defence and Security in the UK: Assistant Commissioner David Veness, CBE, QPM, Specialist Operations, Metropolitan Police and Secretary, Association of Chief Police Officers Terrorism and Allied Matters, and Deputy Chief Constable Alan Goldsmith, Lincolnshire Police and Chair, Association of Chief Police Officers Emergency Planning were examined.

[Adjourned till Wednesday May 8 at Ten o'clock

WEDNESDAY 8 MAY 2002

MORNING SITTING

Members Present:

Mr Bruce George, in the Chair

Mr David Crausby Mr Mike Hancock
Mr Gerald Howarth Mr Kevan Jones
Jim Knight Syd Rapson
Mr Frank Roy Rachel Squire

The Committee deliberated.

Major Procurement Projects: Lord Bach, Minister for Defence Procurement, was examined, Sir Robert Walmsley KCB, Chief of Defence Procurement, Sir Jock Stirrup KCB, Deputy Chief Defence Staff (Equipment Capability) and Mr John Coles, Chief Executive, Warship Support Agency, Ministry of Defence, were further examined.

[Adjourned till this day at Four o'clock

WEDNESDAY 8 MAY 2002

AFTERNOON SITTING

Members Present:

Mr Bruce George, in the Chair

Mr James Cran Mr David Crausby
Mr Gerald Howarth Jim Knight
Patrick Mercer Syd Rapson
Mr Frank Roy Rachel Squire

The Committee deliberated

Defence and Security in the UK: Mr Iain Jack, Senior Security Adviser, International Air Transport Association and Mr Ian Hutchison, Director of Security, British Airports Authority were examined.

[Adjourned till Wednesday 22nd May at Ten o'clock

   

WEDNESDAY 22 MAY 2002

   [MORNING SITTING]

Members present:

Mr Bruce George, in the Chair

Mr James Cran Mr David Crausby
Mr Mike Hancock Mr Gerald Howarth
Mr Kevan Jones Jim Knight
Syd Rapson Mr Frank Roy
Rachel Squire

The Committee deliberated.

Resolved, That the Committee do visit Northern Ireland.–(The Chairman.)

[Adjourned till this day at Four o'clock.

WEDNESDAY 22 MAY 2002

   [AFTERNOON SITTING]

Members present:

Mr Bruce George, in the Chair

Mr James Cran Mr David Crausby
Mr Gerald Howarth Mr Kevan Jones
Jim Knight Mr Frank Roy
Rachel Squire

The Committee deliberated.

Defence and Security in the United Kingdom: The Rt Hon. Adam Ingram, a Member, Minister of State for the Armed Forces and Mr Bruce Mann, Director General, Finance Management, Ministry of Defence were further examined, The Rt Hon. John Denham, a Member of the House, Minister for Policing, Crime Reduction and Community Safety and Mr Robert Whalley, Head of Unit, Organised Crime, Drugs and International Group, Home Office and Mr Christopher Leslie, a Member of the House, Parliamentary Secretary and Dr John Fuller, Acting Head, Civil Contingencies Secretariat, Cabinet Office were examined.

Ordered, That the uncorrected transcript of the oral evidence given by The Rt Hon. Adam Ingram, a Member of the House, Minister for the Armed Forces, Ministry of Defence, Rt Hon. John Denham, a Member of the House, Minister for Policing, Crime

Reduction and Community Safety, Home Office and Mr Christopher Leslie, a Member of the House, Parliamentary Secretary, Cabinet Office be published on the internet.      

[Adjourned till Wednesday 12 June at Ten o'clock.

WEDNESDAY 12 JUNE 2002

[MORNING SITTING]

Members present:

Mr Bruce George, in the Chair

Mr James Cran Mr David Crausby
Mr Mike Hancock Mr Gerald Howarth
Mr Kevan Jones Jim Knight
Patrick Mercer Syd Rapson
Rachel Squire

The Committee deliberated.

Resolved, That the Committee do visit Brussels in connection with its inquiry into the Future of NATO.–(The Chairman.)
Ordered, That the Committee do seek the approval of the Liaison Committee for expenditure in connection with the said visit.

The Future of NATO: Professor François Heisbourg, Foundation for Strategic Studies, Paris, Dr Jan Willem Honig, Department of War Studies, King's College London and Mr William Hopkinson, Visiting Fellow, Centre for International Studies, Cambridge University were examined.

[Adjourned till this day at Four o'clock.
   

WEDNESDAY 12 JUNE 2002

[AFTERNOON SITTING]

Members present:

Mr Bruce George, in the Chair

Mr James Cran Mr David Crausby
Mr Mike Hancock Mr Gerald Howarth
Jim Knight Patrick Mercer
Syd Rapson Frank Roy

The Committee deliberated.

The Future of NATO: Dr Dana Allin, Senior Fellow for Transatlantic Affairs, International Institute for Strategic Studies; Mr Charles Grant, Director, Centre for European Reform and Professor Beatrice Heuser, Department of War Studies, King's College London were examined.

[Adjourned till Wednesday 26 June at half-past Nine o'clock.
   

WEDNESDAY 26 JUNE 2002

Members present:

Mr Bruce George, in the Chair

Mr David Crausby Mr Gerald Howarth
Mr Kevan Jones Jim Knight
Patrick Mercer Syd Rapson
Rachel Squire

The Committee deliberated.

Ordered, That a memorandum [Royal Marines] be reported to the House.–(The Chairman.)

The Future of NATO: The Rt Hon. Geoffrey Hoon, a Member of the House, Secretary of State for Defence, Mr Brian Hawtin CB, Director General, International Security Policy, Ministry of Defence, and Mr William Ehrman CMG, Director, International Security Policy, Foreign and Commonwealth Office, were further examined.

[Adjourned till Wednesday 3 July at Ten o'clock.

WEDNESDAY 3 JULY 2002

Members present:

Mr Bruce George, in the Chair

Mr James Cran Mr David Crausby
Mr Mike Hancock Mr Gerald Howarth
Mr Kevan Jones Jim Knight
Patrick Mercer Syd Rapson
Mr Frank Roy Rachel Squire

The Committee deliberated.

Resolved, That Jim Knight do visit Devonport, Plymouth to attend a 'Thursday War' on behalf of the Committee.–(The Chairman.)

Resolved, That the Committee do inquire into the Army Training and Recruitment Agency.–(The Chairman.)

Draft Report (Major Procurement Projects), proposed by the Chairman, brought up and read.

Ordered, That the draft Report be read a second time, paragraph by paragraph.

Paragraphs 1 to 131 read and agreed to.

Annex [Summary] agreed to.

Resolved, That the Report be the Fourth Report of the Committee to the House.

Ordered, That the Chairman do make the Report to the House.

Ordered, That the provisions of Standing Order No. 134 (Select committees (reports)) be applied to the Report.

Ordered, That the Appendices to the Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee be reported to the House.

[Adjourned till Tuesday 16 July at Ten o'clock.

TUESDAY 16 JULY 2002

The Defence, Foreign Affairs, International Development and Trade and Industry Committees met concurrently, pursuant to Standing Order No. 137A

Members present:


Defence Committee:

Foreign Affairs Committee:

International Development Committee:

Trade and Industry Committee:

Mr Bruce George
Mr Gerald Howarth

Rachel Squire

Mr Donald Anderson
Mr David Chidgey

Mr Fabian Hamilton

Mr Bill Olner

Sir John Stanley

Tony Baldry
John Barrett

Ann Clwyd

Tony Colman

Mr Piara S Khabra

Tony Worthington

Mr Roger Berry
Mr Andrew Lansley

Mr Martin O'Neill


Mr Roger Berry was called to the Chair, pursuant to Standing Order No. 137A(1)(d).

The Committees deliberated, pursuant to Standing Order No. 137A(1)(b).

Draft Report [Strategic Export Controls: Annual Report for 2000, Licensing Policy and Prior Parliamentary Scrutiny], proposed by the Chairman, brought up and read.

Ordered, That the draft Report be considered concurrently, pursuant to Standing Order No. 137A(1)(c).

Ordered, That the draft Report be read a second time, paragraph by paragraph.

Paragraphs 1 to 177 read and agreed to.

Summary agreed to.

   DEFENCE COMMITTEE

The Foreign Affairs, International Development and Trade and Industry Committees withdrew.

Mr Bruce George, in the Chair

Mr Gerald Howarth   Rachel Squire

Question proposed, that the Draft Report [Strategic Export Controls: Annual Report for 2000, Licensing Policy and Prior Parliamentary Scrutiny], prepared by the Defence, Foreign Affairs, International Development and Trade and Industry Committees, be the Fifth Report of the Committee to the House.

Amendment proposed, after the words "Committees" to insert the words "except for paragraphs 147 to 171,".—(Mr Gerald Howarth.)

Question, That the Amendment be made, put and negatived.

Ordered, That the Draft Report [Strategic Export Controls: Annual Report for 2000, Licensing Policy and Prior Parliamentary Scrutiny], prepared by the Defence, Foreign Affairs, International Development and Trade and Industry Committees, be the Fifth Report of the Committee to the House.

Ordered, That several Papers be appended to the Report.

Ordered, That the provisions of Standing Order No. 137A(2) be applied to the Report.

Ordered, That the provisions of Standing Order No. 134 be applied to the Report.

Ordered, That the Mr Roger Berry do make the Report to the House.

[Adjourned till Wednesday 17 July at Ten o'clock.
   

WEDNESDAY 17 JULY 2002

Members present:

Mr Bruce George, in the Chair

Mr James Cran Mr David Crausby
Mr Mike Hancock Mr Gerald Howarth
Mr Kevan Jones Jim Knight
Syd Rapson Mr Frank Roy
Rachel Squire

The Committee deliberated.

Draft Special Report [Government Response to the Fourth Report from the Committee Major Procurement Projects] proposed by the Chairman, brought up, read the first and second time, and agreed to.

Resolved, That the Report be the Sixth Special Report of the Committee to the House.

Ordered, That the Chairman do make the Report to the House.

Draft Report (Defence and Security in the UK), proposed by the Chairman, brought up and read.

Ordered, That the draft Report be read a second time, paragraph by paragraph.

Paragraphs 1 to 300 read and agreed to.

Annex [Summary] agreed to.

Resolved, That the Report be the Sixth Report of the Committee to the House.

Ordered, That the Chairman do make the Report to the House.

Ordered, That the provisions of Standing Order No. 134 (Select committees (reports)) be applied to the Report.

Ordered, That the Appendices to the Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee be reported to the House.

[Adjourned till Wednesday 24 July at Ten o'clock.

WEDNESDAY 24 JULY 2002

Members present:

Mr Bruce George, in the Chair

Mr Mike Hancock Mr Kevan Jones
Jim Knight Patrick Mercer
Syd Rapson Rachel Squire

The Committee deliberated.

Resolved, That the Committee do take evidence from Air Chief Marshal Sir Malcolm Pledger, Chief of Defence of Logistics.—(The Chairman.)

The Committee further deliberated.

Draft Report (The Future of NATO), proposed by the Chairman, brought up and read.

Ordered, That the draft Report be read a second time, paragraph by paragraph.

Paragraphs 1 to 166 read and agreed to.

Annex [Summary] agreed to.

Resolved, That the Report be the Seventh Report of the Committee to the House.

Ordered, That the Chairman do make the Report to the House.

Ordered, That the provisions of Standing Order No. 134 (Select committees (reports)) be applied to the Report.

Ordered, That an Appendix to the Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee be reported to the House.

[Adjourned till Wednesday 16 October at Ten o'clock.
   

WEDNESDAY 16 OCTOBER 2002

Members present:

Mr Bruce George, in the Chair

Mr David Crausby Mr Mike Hancock
Mr Gerald Howarth Mr Kevan Jones
Jim Knight Patrick Mercer
Syd Rapson Mr Frank Roy
Rachel Squire

The Committee deliberated.

Resolved, That the Committee do visit RAF Marham, Norfolk.–(The Chairman.)

Resolved, That the Committee do visit King's College, London for a seminar in connection with its inquiry into the SDR New Chapter.–(The Chairman.)

Resolved, That the Committee do take evidence from the Secretary of State in respect of the NATO Prague Summit.–(The Chairman.)

Resolved, That the Committee do take evidence from the Chief of Defence Staff.–(The Chairman.)

Draft Special Report [Government Response to the Sixth Report from the Committee Defence and Security in the UK] proposed, by the Chairman, brought up, read the first and second time, and agreed to.

Resolved, That the Report be the Seventh Special Report of the Committee to the House.

Ordered, That the Chairman do make the Report to the House.

Draft Special Report [Government Response to the Seventh Report from the Committee: The Future of NATO] proposed, by the Chairman, brought up, read the first and second time, and agreed to.

Resolved, That the Report, be the Eighth Special report of the Committee to the House.

Ordered, That the Chairman do make the Report to the House.

SDR New Chapter: Mr Simon Webb CBE, Policy Director and Mr Bruce Mann, Director General, Finance Management Ministry of Defence were further examined, Major General Rob Fulton, Capability Manager (Information Superiority), Ministry of Defence was examined.

[Adjourned till Wednesday 23 October at Ten o'clock.
   

WEDNESDAY 23 OCTOBER 2002

Members present:

Mr Bruce George, in the Chair

Mr David Crausby Mr Mike Hancock
Mr Gerald Howarth Mr Kevan Jones
Rachel Squire

The Committee deliberated.

Resolved, That the Committee do take evidence from Dr Lewis Moonie, a Member of the House, Parliamentary Under Secretary of State, Ministry of Defence on legacy pensions and compensation issues.–(The Chairman.)

Resolved, That the Chairman and the Clerk should attend the Conference of Chairmen of Defence Committees of EU member countries in Athens on 10-12 November.

Ordered, That the Chairman do seek the approval of the Liaison Committee for expenditure in connection with the said visit.

[Adjourned till Wednesday 6 November at Nine o'clock.

WEDNESDAY 6 NOVEMBER 2002

Members present:

Mr Bruce George, in the Chair











Mr James Cran


Mr Mike Hancock


Mr Kevan Jones


Jim Knight

 

Patrick Mercer


Mr Frank Roy


Mr Syd Rapson


     

 

The Committee deliberated.

Resolved, That the Committee do visit Uzbekistan and Kazahstan in February 2003 and Turkey in March 2003.– (The Chairman.)

Ordered, That the Chairman do seek the approval of the Liaison Committee for expenditure in connection with the said visits.

Resolved, That the Committee do visit Royal Marine Base Condor in connection with its inquiry into the SDR New Chapter.–(The Chairman)

Resolved, That the Committee do visit the Army Base Repair Organisation (Bovington) in connection with its inquiry into the SDR New Chapter.–(The Chairman)
SDR New Chapter: Admiral Sir Michael Boyce GCB, OBE, ADC, Chief of Defence Staff, Ministry of Defence was examined.

[Adjourned till Wednesday 20 November at Ten o'clock.

ANNEX

DECLARATIONS OF MEMBERS' INTERESTS

18 July 2001

Mr David Crausby declared an interest as a member of the Amalgamated Engineering and Electrical Union (AEEU) and participation in the Armed Forces Parliamentary Scheme
(AFPS)

Mr Bruce George declared election contributions from the GMB trade union and an interest as an adviser to defence related bodies, including the Royal United Services Institute (RUSI)

Mr Mike Hancock declared an interest as a trustee of two Regimental Trusts and a number of defence establishments and industries in his constituency.

Mr Gerald Howarth declared a small number of media broadcasts, a complimentary SW Trains car park pass and extensive military establishments and defence industries within his constituency.

Mr Kevan Jones declared 25 per cent funding of election costs by the GMB trade union.

Jim Knight declared funding of election costs by AEEU, GMB and MSF unions and a number of defence establishments and industries in his constituency.

Dr Julian Lewis declared a complimentary SW Trains car park pass, participation in the AFPS and a number of MoD and US military facilities and defence industries within his constituency.

Patrick Mercer declared an interest as a regular soldier from 1974 until 1999 with several family members as ex soldiers. He was previously a defence correspondent with the Today programme and is a trustee of the Sherwood Foresters Museum and a member of the East Timor Defence Policy Committee.

Syd Rapson declared a complimentary SW Trains car park pass and a number of defence industries in his constituency. He had worked as an aircraft engineer in what is now the Defence Aviation Repair Agency (DARA). His son-in-law was an officer in the Royal Navy.

Mr Frank Roy declared participation in the AFPS.

Rachel Squire declared an interest as a member of UNISON and participation in the AFPS. She received donations amounting to 25 per cent of election costs from various trades unions and membership of RUSI and Amnesty International; and also Rosyth Dockyard and other defence industries and establishments in her constituency.


 
 
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