Select Committee on Treasury Third Report


PROCEEDINGS OF THE COMMITTEE AND THE SUB-COMMITTEE RELATING TO THE REPORT

Main Committee

TUESDAY 30 JANUARY 2001

Members present:

Mr Giles Radice, in the Chair


Mr Jim CousinsJudy Mallaber
Mr Edward DaveyMr James Plaskitt
Mr Michael FallonMr David Ruffley
Mr David KidneySir Michael Spicer


 The Committee deliberated.

 Draft Report from the Sub-committee (HM Treasury) brought up and read.

 Ordered, That the draft Report be read a second time, paragraph by paragraph.

 Paragraphs 1 to 11 read and agreed to.

 Paragraph 12 read, amended and agreed to.

 Paragraphs 13 to 30 read and agreed to.

 Paragraph 31 read, amended and agreed to.

 Paragraphs 32 to 38 read and agreed to.

 Paragraphs 39 and 40 read, amended and agreed to.

 Paragraphs 41 to 72 read and agreed to.

 Paragraph 73 read, amended and agreed to.

 Summary of conclusions and recommendations amended and agreed to.

 Resolved, That the Report, as amended, be the Third Report of the Committee to the House.

 Ordered, That the Chairman do make the Report to the House.

 Several Papers were ordered to be appended to the Minutes of Evidence.

 Ordered, That the Appendices to the Minutes of Evidence taken before the Sub-committee be reported to the House.—(The Chairman.)

 Several papers were ordered to be reported to the House.

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[Adjourned till Tuesday 6th February at half-past Ten o'clock.



Sub-committee

THURSDAY 25 JANUARY 2001

Members present:

Sir Michael Spicer, in the Chair


Mr Nigel BeardMr David Kidney
Mr Jim CousinsMr Giles Radice
Mr Michael FallonMr David Ruffley



 The Sub-committee deliberated.

 Draft Report (HM Treasury) proposed by the Chairman, brought up and read.

 Ordered, That the draft Report be read a second time, paragraph by paragraph.

 Paragraph 1 read, amended and agreed to.

 Paragraphs 2 to 5 read and agreed to.

 Paragraph 6 read, amended and agreed to.

 Paragraphs 7 to 11 read and agreed to.

 Paragraphs 12 and 13 read, amended and agreed to.

 Paragraph 14 read and agreed to.

 Paragraph 15 read, amended and agreed to.

 Paragraphs 16 to 18 read and agreed to.

 Paragraph 19 read, amended and agreed to.

 Paragraph 20 read and agreed to.

 Paragraph 21 read, as follows:

 Questions concerning the role of the Cabinet and the desirability or otherwise of there being a department of the Prime Minister go well beyond the remit of our inquiry and indeed this Committee. The strategic direction of the Government is obviously a matter for the Prime Minister and the importance of individual departments in setting the Government's agenda must depend upon his or her political judgement and the relative political weights of individual Ministers. A number of witnesses commented that the political strength of the Chancellor of the Exchequer was one factor explaining the current power and influence of the Treasury and Professor Wanna's evidence about experience in Australia also emphasised potentially short-term political factors. Nevertheless, we are concerned that the Treasury as an institution has recently begun to exert too much control over policy areas which are properly the business of other departments and that this is not necessarily in the best interests of the Treasury or the Government as a whole.

 An Amendment made.

 Another Amendment proposed, in line 9, to leave out from the word "factors" to the end of the paragraph.—(Mr Jim Cousins.)

 Question put, That the Amendment be made.

 The Sub-committee divided.


Ayes, 2Noes, 3
Mr Nigel BeardMr Michael Fallon
Mr Jim CousinsMr David Kidney
 Mr David Ruffley



 Another Amendment proposed, in line 9, to embolden the text from the word "factors" to the end of the paragraph.—(Mr David Kidney.)

 Question put, That the Amendment be made.

 The Sub-committee divided.


Ayes, 3Noes, 2
Mr Michael FallonMr Nigel Beard
Mr David KidneyMr Jim Cousins
Mr David Ruffley



 Paragraph, as amended, agreed to.

 Paragraphs 22 to 27 read, amended and agreed to.

 Paragraphs 28 to 30 read and agreed to.

 Paragraphs 31 to 34 read, amended and agreed to.

 Paragraphs 35 and 36 read and agreed to.

 Paragraphs 37 and 38 read, amended and agreed to.

 Paragraphs 39 to 41 read and agreed to.

 Paragraphs 42 and 43 read, amended and agreed to.

 Paragraph 44 read and agreed to.

 Paragraphs 45 and 46 read, amended and agreed to.

 Paragraphs 47 to 49 read and agreed to.

 Paragraph 50 read, amended and agreed to.

 Paragraphs 51 to 53 read and agreed to.

 Paragraph 54 read, amended and agreed to.

 Paragraph 55 read and agreed to.

 Paragraphs 56 to 59 read, amended and agreed to.

 Paragraphs 60 to 68 read and agreed to.

 Paragraph 69 read, amended and agreed to.

 Paragraphs 70 and 71 read and agreed to.

 Paragraphs 72 and 73 read, amended and agreed to.

 Summary of Conclusions and Recommendations amended and agreed to.

 Resolved, That the Report, as amended, be the Second Report of the Sub-committee to the Committee.

 Ordered, That the Chairman do make the Report to the Committee.

 Several Papers were ordered to be appended to the Minutes of Evidence.

 Ordered, That the Appendices to the Minutes of Evidence taken before the Sub-committee be reported to the Committee.—(The Chairman.)

 Several papers were ordered to be reported to the Committee.

[Adjourned till Thursday 8th February at a quarter past Nine o'clock.




 
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