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MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS OF
THE COMMITTEE OF PUBLIC ACCOUNTS

SESSION 2000–01

MONDAY 18 DECEMBER 2000

Members present:

Mr David Davis in the Chair

Mr Alan Campbell
Mr Ian Davidson
Mr Geraint Davies
Mr Barry Gardiner
Mr Edward Leigh
Mr Andrew Love
Mr David Rendel
Mr Gerry Steinberg
Mr Alan Williams

Sir John Bourn, KCB, Comptroller and Auditor General, was further examined.

The Committee deliberated.

Mr Brian Glicksman, Treasury Officer of Accounts, was further examined.

The Comptroller and Auditor General's report on Maintaining the Royal Palaces (HC 563) was considered.

Mr Robin Young, Permanent Secretary, the Department for Culture, Media and Sport; and Sir Michael Peat, KCVO, Keeper of the Privy Purse, were examined (HC 77-i).

[Adjourned until Monday 15 January 2001 at half past Four o'clock.

MONDAY 15 JANUARY 2001

Members present:

Mr David Davis in the Chair

Mr Simon Burns
Mr Alan Campbell
Mr Edward Leigh
Mr Jim Murphy
Mr David Rendel
Mr Gerry Steinberg
Mr Alan Williams

Sir John Bourn, KCB, Comptroller and Auditor General, was further examined.

The Committee deliberated.

Mr Brian Glicksman, Treasury Officer of Accounts, was further examined.

The Comptroller and Auditor General's report on The Ministry of Defence: Major Projects Report 2000 (HC 970) was considered.

In the absence of the Chairman Mr Alan Williams took the Chair.

The Chairman resumed the Chair.

Sir Robert Walmsley, KCB, Chief of Defence Procurement, The Defence Procurement Agency; and Vice Admiral Sir Jeremy Blackham, KCB, Deputy Chief of Defence Staff (Equipment Capability), the Ministry of Defence, were examined (HC 136-i).

Draft Report (Inpatient Admission, Bed Management and Patient Discharge in NHS Acute Hospitals), proposed by the Chairman, brought up and read.

Ordered, That the draft Report be read a second time, paragraph by paragraph.

Paragraphs 1 to 3 read and agreed to.

Paragraph 4 postponed.

Paragraphs 5 to 52 read and agreed to.

Postponed paragraph 4 again read and agreed to.

Resolved, That the Report be the First Report of the Committee to the House.

Ordered, That the Chairman do make the Report to the House.

Ordered, That the provisions of Standing Order No. 135 (Select Committees (Reports)) be applied to the Report.

[Adjourned until Monday 17 January at half past Four o'clock.

WEDNESDAY 17 JANUARY 2001

Members present:

Mr David Davis in the Chair

Mr Simon Burns
Mr Alan Campbell
Mr Ian Davidson
Mr Gerry Steinberg
Mr Alan Williams

Sir John Bourn, KCB, Comptroller and Auditor General, was further examined.

The Committee deliberated.

Mr Brian Glicksman, Treasury Officer of Accounts, was further examined.

The Comptroller and Auditor General's report on the Ministry of Defence: Major Projects Report 2000 (HC 970) was considered.

Sir Robert Walmsley, KCB, Chief of Defence Procurement, the Procurement Agency and Vice Admiral Sir Jeremy Blackham, KCB, Deputy Chief of Defence Staff (Equipment Capability); Mr Tim Banfield, Director, the National Audit Office, were further examined (HC 136-ii).

Draft Report (Public Trust Office: Unclaimed Balances held in Funds in Court and the Office's 1998–99 Accounts), proposed by the Chairman, brought up and read.

Ordered, That the draft Report be read a second time, paragraph by paragraph.

Paragraphs 1 to 4 read and agreed to.

Paragraphs 5 to 7 postponed.

Paragraphs 8 to 46 read and agreed to.

Postponed paragraphs 5 to 7 again read and agreed to.

Resolved, That the Report be the Second Report of the Committee to the House.

Ordered, That the Chairman do make the Report to the House.

Ordered, That the provisions of Standing Order No. 134 (Select Committees (Reports)) be applied to the Report.

[Adjourned until Wednesday 24 January at half past Four o'clock.

WEDNESDAY 24 JANUARY 2001

Members present:

Mr David Davis in the Chair

Mr Simon Burns
Mr Ian Davidson
Mr Nigel Griffiths
Mr Edward Leigh
Mr Andrew Love
Mr David Rendel
Mr Gerry Steinberg
Mr Alan Williams

Sir John Bourn, KCB, Comptroller and Auditor General, was further examined.

The Committee deliberated.

The Comptroller and Auditor General's report on Supporting Innovation: Managing Risk in Government Departments (HC 864) was considered.

Ms Mavis McDonald, CB, Permanent Secretary, the Cabinet Office; and Mr Brian Glicksman, Treasury Officer of Accounts, HM Treasury, were examined (HC 180-i).

Draft Report (Emergency Aid: The Kosovo Crisis), proposed by the Chairman, brought up and read.

Ordered, That the draft Report be read a second time, paragraph by paragraph.

Paragraphs 1 to 3 read and agreed to.

Paragraph 4 postponed.

Paragraphs 5 to 41 read and agreed to.

Postponed paragraph 4 again read and agreed to.

Resolved, That the Report be the Third Report of the Committee to the House.

Ordered, That the Chairman do make the Report to the House.

Ordered, That the provisions of Standing Order No. 134 (Select Committees (Reports)) be applied to the Report.

A paper (PAC/2000–01/4) was ordered to be appended to the Minutes of Evidence.

Ordered, That the Appendix to the Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee be reported to the House.—(The Chairman).

[Adjourned until Monday 29 January at half past Four o'clock.

MONDAY 29 JANUARY 2001

Members present:

Mr David Davis in the Chair

Mr Alan Campbell
Mr Nigel Griffiths
Mr Edward Leigh
Mr Andrew Love
Mr David Rendel
Mr Gerry Steinberg
Mr Alan Williams

Sir John Bourn, KCB, Comptroller and Auditor General, was further examined.

The Committee deliberated.

Mr Glenn Hull, Second Treasury Officer of Accounts, was further examined.

The Comptroller and Auditor General's report on The National Blood Service (HC 6) was considered.

Mr Nigel Crisp, Permanent Secretary, the Department of Health and Chief Executive of the National Health Service; and Mr Martin Gorham, Chief Executive, the National Blood Service, were examined (HC 207-i).

[Adjourned until Wednesday 31 January at half past Four o'clock.

WEDNESDAY 31 JANUARY 2001

Members present:

Mr David Davis in the Chair

Mr Alan Campbell
Mr Nigel Griffiths
Mr Edward Leigh
Mr Andrew Love
Mr Jim Murphy
Mr David Rendel
Mr Gerry Steinberg
Mr Alan Williams

Sir John Bourn, KCB, Comptroller and Auditor General, was further examined.

The Committee deliberated.

Mr Brian Glicksman, Treasury Officer of Accounts, was further examined.

The Comptroller and Auditor General's report on Department for Culture, Media and Sport: Renegotiation of the PFI-type Deal for the Royal Armouries Museum in Leeds (HC 103) was considered.

Mr Robin Young, Permanent Secretary, the Department of Culture, Media and Sport; Mr Guy Wilson, Master of the Armouries, the Royal Armouries; and Mr Christopher O'Boyle, Chairman, Royal Armouries (International) plc, were examined (HC 217-i).

Mr Jeremy Coleman, Assistant Auditor General, the National Audit Office was examined (HC 217-i)

The witnesses withdrew.

The Comptroller and Auditor General's memorandum on The National Audit Office Estimate 2001–2002 (PAC/00–01/40) was considered.

Sir John Bourn, KCB, Comptroller and Auditor General, Mr Tim Burr, Deputy Comptroller and Auditor General, and Mrs Caroline Mawhood, Assistant Auditor General, the National Audit Office, were examined (HC 219-i).

The Committee further deliberated.

Resolved, That the Committee approve the National Audit Office net Estimate of 47.6 million for the year 2001–2002.—(The Chairman).

Resolved, That the Public Accounts Commission be advised of the Resolution come to this day in respect of the National Audit Office Estimate for 2001—2002.—(The Chairman).

Draft Report (Grants made by the National Lottery Charities Board), proposed by the Chairman, brought up and read.

Ordered, That the draft Report be read a second time, paragraph by paragraph.

Paragraphs 1 to 3 read and agreed to.

Paragraphs 4 and 5postponed.

Paragraphs 6 to 40 read and agreed to.

Postponed paragraphs 4 and 5 again read and agreed to.

Resolved, That the Report be the Fourth Report of the Committee to the House.

Ordered, That the Chairman do make the Report to the House.

Ordered, That the provisions of Standing Order No. 134 (Select Committees (Reports)) be applied to the Report.

[Adjourned until Monday 5 February at half past Four o'clock.

MONDAY 5 FEBRUARY 2001

Members present:

Mr David Davis in the Chair

Mr Alan Campbell
Mr Geraint Davies
Mr Nigel Griffiths
Mr Edward Leigh
Mr Andrew Love
Mr David Rendel
Mr Alan Williams

Sir John Bourn, KCB, Comptroller and Auditor General, was further examined.

The Committee deliberated.

Mr Glenn Hull, Second Treasury Officer of Accounts, was further examined.

The Comptroller and Auditor General's report on The Sale of Part of the UK Gold Reserves (HC 86) was considered.

Mr Gus O'Donnell, Managing Director, Macroeconomic Policy and International Finance, and Dr Paul Mills, Head of the Debt and Reserves Management Team, HM Treasury; and Mr Ian Plenderleith, Executive Director, the Bank of England, were examined (HC 224-i).

[Adjourned until Wednesday 7 February at half past Four o'clock.

WEDNESDAY 7 FEBRUARY 2001

Members present:

Mr David Davis in the Chair

Mr Simon Burns
Mr Alan Campbell
Mr Nigel Griffiths
Mr Edward Leigh
Mr David Rendel
Mr Gerry Steinberg
Mr Alan Williams

Sir John Bourn, KCB, Comptroller and Auditor General, was further examined.

The Committee deliberated.

Ms Lorraine Constable, Assistant Treasury Officer of Accounts, was further examined.

The Comptroller and Auditor General's report on the Office of Water Services: Leakage and Water Efficiency (HC 971) was considered.

Mr Philip Fletcher, Director General, Mr Mike Saunders, Director of Tariffs and Consumer Affairs, and Dr Bill Emery, Director of Costs and Performance Division and Chief Engineer, the Office of Water Services, were examined (HC 234-i).

[Adjourned until Monday 12 February at half past Four o'clock.

MONDAY 12 FEBRUARY 2001

Members present:

Mr David Davis in the Chair

Mr Nigel Griffiths
Mr Andrew Love
Mr David Rendel
Mr Gerry Steinberg

Sir John Bourn, KCB, Comptroller and Auditor General, was further examined.

The Committee deliberated.

Mr Glenn Hull, Second Treasury Officer of Accounts, was further examined.

The Comptroller and Auditor General's report on The Department of Trade and Industry: The Acquisition of German Parcel Post (HC 858) was considered.

Sir Michael Scholar, KCB, Permanent Secretary, the Department of Trade and Industry; and Mr John Roberts, CBE, Chief Executive, the Post Office, were examined (HC 245-i).

Draft Report (The draft Social Security (Inherited SERPS) Regulations 2001), proposed by the Chairman, brought up and read.

Ordered, That the draft Report be read a second time, paragraph by paragraph.

Paragraph 1 read, amended and agreed to.

Paragraphs 5 and 6 postponed.
Paragraphs 7 to 28 read and agreed to.

Paragraph 29 read, amended and agreed to.

Paragraphs 30 to 34 read and agreed to.

Postponed paragraph 5 again read and agreed to.

Postponed paragraph 6 again read, amended and agreed to.

An annex agreed to.

Resolved, That the Report, as amended, be the Fifth Report of the Committee to the House.

Ordered, That the Chairman do make the Report to the House.

Ordered, That the provisions of Standing Order No. 134 (Select Committees (Reports)) be applied to the Report.

Two papers [PAC/22 and 55] were ordered to be appended to the Report.

Ordered, That the Appendices to the Report be reported to the House.—(The Chairman).

The Committee further deliberated.

Resolved, That the Committee approve the proposed programme of inquiries from 12 March to 9 April.—(The Chairman).

[Adjourned until Wednesday 14 February at half past Four o'clock.

WEDNESDAY 14 FEBRUARY 2001

Members present:

Mr David Davis in the Chair

Mr Geraint Davies
Mr Nigel Griffiths
Mr Edward Leigh
Mr Andrew Love
Mr David Rendel
Mr Gerry Steinberg

Sir John Bourn, KCB, Comptroller and Auditor General, was further examined.

The Committee deliberated.

Mr Brian Glicksman, Treasury Officer of Accounts, was further examined.

The Comptroller and Auditor's General's report on Access to Properties grant-aided by English Heritage (HC 457) was further considered.

Ms Pam Alexander, Chief Executive, English Heritage was further examined (HC 265-i).

The witness withdrew.

Sir John Bourn, KCB, Comptroller and Auditor General, was further examined.

The Committee deliberated.

Mr Brian Glicksman, Treasury Officer of Accounts, was further examined.

The Comptroller and Auditor General's report on Modernising Construction (HC 87) was considered.

Sir Richard Mottram, KCB, Permanent Secretary, the Department of the Environment, Transport and the Regions; Mr Peter Gershon, CBE, Chief Executive, and Mr Deryk Eke, Construction Director, the Office of Government Commerce, were examined (HC 266-i).

In the absence of the Chairman, Mr Andrew Love took the Chair.

The Chairman resumed the Chair.

[Adjourned until Monday 26 February at half past Four o'clock.

MONDAY 26 FEBRUARY 2001

Members present:

Mr David Davis in the Chair

Mr Simon Burns
Mr Alan Campbell
Mr Ian Davidson
Mr Nigel Griffiths
Mr Edward Leigh
Mr David Rendel
Mr Gerry Steinberg
Mr Alan Williams

Sir John Bourn, KCB, Comptroller and Auditor General, was further examined.

The Committee deliberated.

Mr Glenn Hull, Second Treasury Officer of Accounts, was further examined.

The Comptroller and Auditor General's report on the Cancellation of the Benefits Payment Card Project (HC 857) was considered.

Ms Rachel Lomax, Permanent Secretary, and Mr George McCorkell, Director of Information Systems and Commercial Management, the Department of Social Security; Mr Derek Davies, Director of Consumer Goods, Business and Postal Services, the Department of Trade and Industry; Mr Tony Oppenheim, Director, Commercial and Finance, ICL Pathway; Mr John Roberts, CBE, Chief Executive, the Post Office; and Mr Paul Schofield, HM Treasury, were examined (HC 282-i).

Draft Report (Review of Audit and Accountability for Central Government), proposed by the Chairman, brought up and read.

Ordered, That the draft Report be read a second time, paragraph by paragraph.

Paragraphs 1 to 5 read and agreed to.

Paragraph 6 read, amended and agreed to.

Resolved, That the Report, as amended, be the Sixth Report of the Committee to the House.

Ordered, That the Chairman do make the Report to the House.

Ordered, That the provisions of Standing Order No. 134 (Select Committees (Reports)) be applied to the Report.

[Adjourned until Wednesday 28 February at half past Four o'clock.

WEDNESDAY 28 FEBRUARY 2001

Members present:

Mr David Davis in the Chair

Mr Ian Davidson
Mr Geraint Davies
Mr Nigel Griffiths
Mr Gerry Steinberg

Sir John Bourn, KCB, Comptroller and Auditor General, was further examined.

The Committee deliberated.

Ms Lorraine Constable, Assistant Treasury Officer of Accounts, was further examined.

The Comptroller and Auditor General's report on the Office of Gas and Electricity Markets (OFGEM): Giving Domestic Customers a Choice of Electricity Supplier (HC 85) was considered.

Mr Callum McCarthy, Chairman, Mr John Neilson, Managing Director for Customers and Supply, the Office of Gas and Electricity Markets (OFGEM); and Mr Stephen Reid, Chief Executive, the Office of Gas and Electricity Consumer Council (energywatch), were examined (HC 292-i).

[Adjourned until Monday 5 March at half past Four o'clock.

MONDAY 5 MARCH 2001

Members present:

Mr David Davis in the Chair

Mr Andrew Love Mr David Rendel

Four Members not being present, the Chairman adjourned the meeting until Thursday 8 March at Nine o'clock.

THURSDAY 8 MARCH 2001

Members present:

Mr David Davis in the Chair

Mr Alan Campbell
Mr Nigel Griffiths
Mr Edward Leigh
Mr Andrew Love

Sir John Bourn, KCB, Comptroller and Auditor General, was further examined.

The Committee deliberated.

Draft Report (Excess Votes 1999–2000: Class X, Votes 2 and 3), proposed by the Chairman, brought up and read.

Ordered, That the draft Report be read a second time, paragraph by paragraph.

Paragraphs 1 to 15 read and agreed to.

Resolved, That the Report be the Seventh Report of the Committee to the House.

Ordered, That the Chairman do make the Report to the House.

Ordered, That the provisions of Standing Order No. 134 (Select Committees (Reports)) be applied to the Report.

[Adjourned until Monday 12 March at half past Four o'clock.

MONDAY 12 MARCH 2001

Members present:

Mr Simon Burns
Mr Nigel Griffiths
Mr David Rendel
Mr Alan Williams

In the absence of the Chairman, Mr Alan Williams was called to the Chair.

Sir John Bourn, KCB, Comptroller and Auditor General, was further examined.

The Committee deliberated.

Mr Brian Glicksman, Treasury Officer of Accounts, was further examined.

The Comptroller and Auditor General's report on The Radiocommunications Agency's Joint Venture with CMG (HC 21) was considered.

Mr David Hendon, Chief Executive, and Mr Chris de Grouchy, Director of Corporate Services and Facilities, Radiocommunications Agency; Mr Peter Topp, Associate Director, CMG (UK) Ltd; and Ms Lyn Davies, Director of Technology Exploitation, Capita Business Services Limited, were examined (HC 324-i).

Draft Report (Maintaining Royal Palaces), proposed by the Chairman, brought up and read.

Ordered, That the draft Report be read a second time, paragraph by paragraph.

Paragraphs 1 to 4 read and agreed to.

Paragraph 5 postponed.

Paragraphs 6 to 18 read and agreed to.

Paragraph 19 read, amended and agreed to.

Paragraphs 20 to 24 read and agreed to.

Paragraph 25 read, amended and agreed to.

Paragraphs 26 to 31 read and agreed to.

A paragraph—(Mr Alan Williams)—brought up, read the first and second time and inserted (now paragraph 32).

Another paragraph—(Mr Alan Williams)—brought up, read the first and second time and inserted (now paragraph 33).

Paragraph 32 (now paragraph 34) read and agreed to.

Another paragraph—(Mr Alan Williams)—brought up, read the first and second time and inserted (now paragraph 35).

Paragraph 33 (now paragraph 36) read and agreed to.

Postponed paragraph 5 again read, amended and agreed to.

Resolved, That the Report, as amended, be the Eighth Report of the Committee to the House.

Ordered, That the Chairman do make the Report to the House.

Ordered, That the provisions of Standing Order No. 134 (Select Committees (Reports)) be applied to the Report.

Several papers were ordered to be appended to the Minutes of Evidence.

Ordered, That the Appendices to the Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee be reported to the House.—(Mr Alan Williams).

Another draft Report (Managing Finances in English Further Education Colleges), proposed by the Chairman, brought up and read.

Ordered, That the draft Report be read a second time, paragraph by paragraph.

Paragraphs 1 to 3 read and agreed to.

Paragraph 4 postponed.

Paragraphs 5 to 51 read and agreed to.

Postponed paragraph 4 again read, amended and agreed to.

Resolved, That the Report be the Ninth Report of the Committee to the House.

Ordered, That the Chairman do make the Report to the House.

Ordered, That the provisions of Standing Order No. 134 (Select Committees (Reports)) be applied to the Report.

[Adjourned until Wednesday 14 March at half past Four o'clock.

WEDNESDAY 14 MARCH 2001

Members present:

Mr David Davis in the Chair

Mr Nigel Griffiths
Mr Edward Leigh
Mr David Rendel
Mr Gerry Steinberg
Mr Alan Williams

Mr Tim Burr, Deputy Comptroller and Auditor General, was further examined.

The Committee deliberated.

Mr Glenn Hull, Second Treasury Officer of Accounts, was further examined.
The Comptroller and Auditor General's report on Improving Student Performance: How English Further Education Colleges can improve student retention (HC 276) was considered.

Sir Michael Bichard, KCB, Permanent Secretary, the Department for Education and Employment, and Professor David Melville, Chief Executive, the Further Education Funding Council, were examined (HC 336-i).

[Adjourned until Monday 19 March at half past Four o'clock.

MONDAY 19 MARCH 2001

Members present:

Mr David Davis in the Chair

Mr Alan Campbell
Mr Ian Davidson
Mr Edward Leigh
Mr David Rendel
Mr Gerry Steinberg
Mr Alan Williams

Sir John Bourn, KCB, Comptroller and Auditor General, was further examined.

The Committee deliberated.

Mr Brian Glicksman, Treasury Officer of Accounts, was further examined.

The Comptroller and Auditor General's report on Access to the Victoria and Albert Museum (HC 238) was considered.

Mr Robin Young, Permanent Secretary, the Department for Culture, Media and Sport; and Dr Alan Borg, CBE, Director, the Victoria and Albert Museum, were examined (HC 350-i).

Draft Report (Parole), proposed by the Chairman, brought up and read.

Ordered, That the draft Report be read a second time, paragraph by paragraph.

Paragraphs 1 to 5 read and agreed to.

Paragraph 6 postponed.

Paragraphs 7 to 37 read and agreed to.

Postponed paragraph 6 again read and agreed to.

Resolved, That the Report be the Tenth Report of the Committee to the House.

Ordered, That the Chairman do make the Report to the House.

Ordered, That the provisions of Standing Order No. 134 (Select Committees (Reports)) be applied to the Report.

A paper (PAC/295) was ordered to be appended to the Minutes of Evidence.

Resolved, That, having considered and found unacceptable the Government's reply (Treasury Minute Cm 5078) to this Committee's 45th Report on Ministry of Defence: Acceptance of the Chinook Mk 2 Helicopter (HC 975 (1999–2000)) the Committee, in the context of any further action it subsequently deems to be necessary, prepare a memorandum for submission (to any select committee of Another Palace set up to consider the circumstances surrounding the crash of Chinook ZD-576 at the Mull of Kintyre), setting out those issues of continuing concern to this Committee, and indicating those sources of information and witnesses it considers to be worthwhile pursuing.—(Mr Alan Williams).

Ordered, That the Chairman prepare such a paper for consideration by the Committee at an early date.—(Mr Alan Williams).

[Adjourned until Wednesday 21 March at half past Four o'clock.

WEDNESDAY 21 MARCH 2001

Members present:

Mr David Davis in the Chair

Mr Simon Burns
Mr Alan Campbell
Mr Ian Davidson
Mr Nigel Griffiths
Mr Edward Leigh
Mr Andrew Love
Mr David Rendel
Mr Gerry Steinberg
Mr Alan Williams

Sir John Bourn, KCB, Comptroller and Auditor General, was further examined.

The Committee deliberated.

Ms Lorraine Constable, Assistant Treasury Officer of Accounts, was further examined.

The Comptroller and Auditor General's report on The Medical Assessment of Incapacity and Disability Benefits (HC 280) was considered.

Ms Rachel Lomax, Permanent Secretary, Mr Norman Haighton, Corporate Projects Director, and Dr Mansel Aylward, Chief Medical Director, the Department of Social Security; Ms Alexis Cleveland, Chief Executive, the Benefits Agency; Mr Frank Jones, Managing Director, SEMA UK; Mr Zafar Raja, Managing Director, and Dr Carol Hudson, Medical Director, SEMA Medical Services, were examined (HC 366-i).

Draft Report (The Housing Corporation: Overseeing Focus Housing Association), proposed by the Chairman, brought up and read.

Ordered, That the draft Report be read a second time, paragraph by paragraph.

Paragraphs 1 to 3 read and agreed to.

Paragraph 4 postponed.

Paragraphs 5 to 48 read and agreed to.

Postponed paragraph 4 again read and agreed to.

Resolved, That the Report be the Eleventh Report of the Committee to the House.

Ordered, That the Chairman do make the Report to the House.

Ordered, That the provisions of Standing Order No. 134 (Select Committees (Reports)) be applied to the Report.

Another draft Report (English Heritage: Access to Properties), proposed by the Chairman, brought up and read.

Ordered, That the draft Report be read a second time, paragraph by paragraph.

Paragraphs 1 to 4 read and agreed to.

Paragraphs 5 and 6 postponed.

Paragraphs 7 to 39 read and agreed to.

Postponed paragraphs 5 and 6 again read and agreed to.

Resolved, That the Report be the Twelfth Report of the Committee to the House.

Ordered, That the Chairman do make the Report to the House.

Ordered, That the provisions of Standing Order No. 134 (Select Committees (Reports)) be applied to the Report.

The Committee further deliberated.

Resolved, That, in the context of the Committee's inquiries into, and continuing interest in, the costs of maintaining the Royal Palaces, arrangements be made to enable visits to be made at the earliest practicable opportunity to those residential areas of the occupied palaces estate (in particular, the residential areas of Kensington Palace) that are funded by grant-in-aid.—(Mr Alan Williams).

[Adjourned until Monday 26 March at half past Four o'clock.

MONDAY 26 MARCH 2001

Members present:

Mr Edward Leigh
Mr Andrew Love
Mr David Rendel
Mr Gerry Steinberg
Mr Alan Williams

In the absence of the Chairman, Mr Alan Williams was called to the Chair.   
Sir John Bourn, KCB, Comptroller and Auditor General, was further examined.

The Committee deliberated.

Mr Brian Glicksman, Treasury Officer of Accounts, was further examined.

The Comptroller and Auditor General's report on Inland Flood Defence (HC 299) was considered.

Mr Brian Bender, Permanent Secretary, and Dr James Park, Head of Flood and Coastal Defence with Emergencies Division, the Ministry of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food; The Rt Hon Baroness Young of Old Scone, Chief Executive, and Dr Geoff Mance, Director of Water Management, the Environment Agency; and Mr James Bradley, Divisional Manager—EASN, Department of the Environment, Transport and the Regions, were examined (HC 371-i).

Draft Report (The Refinancing of the Fazakerley PFI Prison Contract), proposed by the Chairman, brought up and read.

Ordered, That the draft Report be read a second time, paragraph by paragraph.

Paragraphs 1 to 4 read and agreed to.

Paragraphs 5 and 6 postponed.

Paragraphs 7 to 57 read and agreed to.

Postponed paragraphs 5 and 6 again read and agreed to.

Resolved, That the Report be the Thirteenth Report of the Committee to the House.

Ordered, That the Chairman do make the Report to the House.

Ordered, That the provisions of Standing Order No. 134 (Select Committees (Reports)) be applied to the Report.

Resolved, That copies of the uncorrected typescript of evidence taken on 21 March on the Medical Assessment of Incapacity and Disability Benefits be placed in the House of Commons Library for the use of Members and in the Record Office, House of Lords for public inspection.—(Mr David Rendel.).

[Adjourned until Wednesday 28 March at half past Four o'clock.

WEDNESDAY 28 MARCH 2001

Members present:

Mr David Davis in the Chair

Mr Alan Campbell
Mr Ian Davidson
Mr Nigel Griffiths
Mr Edward Leigh
Mr David Rendel
Mr Gerry Steinberg
Mr Alan Williams

Sir John Bourn, KCB, Comptroller and Auditor General, was further examined.

The Committee deliberated.

Mr Brian Glicksman, Treasury Officer of Accounts, was further examined.

The Comptroller and Auditor General's report on Ministry of Defence: Maximising the Benefits of Defence Equipment Cooperation (HC 300) was considered.

Mr Kevin Tebbit, CMG, Permanent Under Secretary of State, and Mr Mike Markin, OBE, Director General (Research and Technology, the Ministry of Defence; and Sir Robert Walmsley, KCB, Chief of Defence Procurement, the Defence Procurement Agency; and Mr Tim Banfield, Director, the National Audit Office, were examined (HC 393-i).

Draft Report (Ministry of Defence: Managing Reductions in the Number of Vacant Family Quarters), proposed by the Chairman, brought up and read.

Ordered, That the draft Report be read a second time, paragraph by paragraph.

Paragraphs 1 to 4 read and agreed to.

Paragraph 5 postponed.

Paragraphs 6 to 62 read and agreed to.

Postponed paragraph 5 again read and agreed to.

Resolved, That the Report be the Fourteenth Report of the Committee to the House.

Ordered, That the Chairman do make the Report to the House.

Ordered, That the provisions of Standing Order No. 134 (Select Committees (Reports)) be applied to the Report.

Another draft Report (Strategic Rail Authority: Action to improve Passenger Rail Services), proposed by the Chairman, brought up and read.

Ordered, That the draft Report be read a second time, paragraph by paragraph.

Paragraphs 1 to 3 read and agreed to.

Paragraph 4 postponed.

Paragraphs 5 to 49 read and agreed to.

Postponed paragraph 4 again read and agreed to.

Resolved, That the Report be the Fifteenth Report of the Committee to the House.

Ordered, That the Chairman do make the Report to the House.

Ordered, That the provisions of Standing Order No. 134 (Select Committees (Reports)) be applied to the Report.

Resolved, That pursuant to the Resolution and Order of 19 March in relation to the Chinook helicopter ZD 576, the Committee approve the paper (PAC 2000–01/110) to be submitted to any committee of Another Place set up to consider the matter.—(The Chairman.).

Resolved, That, in the event that a general election be announced on Monday 9 April, the meetings arranged for that week and the next be cancelled.

Resolved, That notwithstanding the above resolution the Committee agree, as a contingency measure the draft programme for the period 23 April to 23 May.—(The Chairman.).

[Adjourned until Monday 2 April at half past Four o'clock.

MONDAY 2 APRIL 2001

Members present:

Mr David Davis in the Chair

Mr Alan Campbell
Mr Ian Davidson
Mr Nigel Griffiths
Mr Edward Leigh
Mr Andrew Love
Mr Gerry Steinberg
Mr Alan Williams

Sir John Bourn, KCB, Comptroller and Auditor General, and Mr Joe Cavanagh, Director, were further examined.

The Committee deliberated.

Mr Brian Glicksman, Treasury Officer of Accounts, was further examined.

The Comptroller and Auditor General's report on Ship Surveys and Inspections (HC 338) was considered.

Mr Maurice Storey, Chief Executive, the Maritime and Coastguard Agency, was examined (HC 398-i).

Resolved, That a copy of the uncorrected typescript of evidence taken this day be placed in the House of Commons Library for the use of Members and in the Record Office, House of Lords for public inspection.—(The Chairman.).

[Adjourned until Wednesday 4 April at half past Four o'clock.

WEDNESDAY 4 APRIL 2001

Members present:

Mr David Davis in the Chair

Mr Simon Burns
Mr Alan Campbell
Mr Geraint Davies
Mr Nigel Griffiths
Mr Edward Leigh
Mr David Rendel
Mr Gerry Steinberg
Mr Alan Williams

Sir John Bourn, KCB, Comptroller and Auditor General, was further examined.

The Committee deliberated.

Mr Glenn Hull, Second Treasury Officer of Accounts, was further examined.

The Comptroller and Auditor General's report on Educating and Training the Future Health Professional Workforce for England (HC 277) was considered.

Mr Nigel Crisp, Permanent Secretary, the Department of Health and Chief Executive, the National Health Service; and Sir Brian Fender, KCB, Chief Executive, the Higher Education Funding Council for England, were examined (HC 414-i).

Draft Report (The National Blood Service), proposed by the Chairman, brought up and read.

Ordered, That the draft Report be read a second time, paragraph by paragraph.

Paragraphs 1 to 3 read and agreed to.

Paragraph 4 postponed.

Paragraphs 5 to 39 read and agreed to.

Postponed paragraph 4 again read and agreed to.

Resolved, That the Report be the Sixteenth Report of the Committee to the House.

Ordered, That the Chairman do make the Report to the House.

Ordered, That the provisions of Standing Order No. 134 (Select Committees (Reports)) be applied to the Report.

[Adjourned until Monday 9 April at half past Four o'clock.

MONDAY 9 APRIL 2001

Members present:

Mr Alan Campbell
Mr Barry Gardiner
Mr Nigel Griffiths
Mr Edward Leigh
Mr Andrew Love
Mr David Rendel
Mr Gerry Steinberg
Mr Alan Williams

In the absence of the Chairman, Mr Alan Williams was called to the Chair.

Mr Tim Burr, Deputy Comptroller and Auditor General, was further examined.

The Committee deliberated.

Mr Brian Glicksman, Treasury Officer of Accounts, was further examined.

The Comptroller and Auditor General's report on The Department of the Environment, Transport and the Regions: The Channel Tunnel Rail Link (HC 302) was considered.

Sir Richard Mottram, KCB, Permanent Secretary, the Department of the Environment, Transport and the Regions; Mr Robert Holden, Chief Executive, London and Continental Railways; Mr Steven Marshall, Chief Executive, and Ms Louise Hart, Group Projects Manager, Railtrack; and Mr Jeremy Colman, Assistant Auditor General, the National Audit Office, were examined (HC 422-i).

[Adjourned until Monday 23 April at half past Four o'clock.

MONDAY 23 APRIL 2001

Members present:

Mr David Davis in the Chair

Mr Simon Burns
Mr Alan Campbell
Mr Barry Gardiner
Mr Nigel Griffiths
Mr Edward Leigh
Mr David Rendel
Mr Gerry Steinberg
Mr Alan Williams

Sir John Bourn, KCB, Comptroller and Auditor General, was further examined.

The Committee deliberated.

Ms Lorraine Constable, Second Treasury Officer of Accounts, was further examined.

The Comptroller and Auditor General's report on Tackling Obesity in England (HC 220) was considered.

Mr Nigel Crisp, Permanent Secretary, the Department of Health and Chief Executive, the NHS Executive; Mr Robin Young, Permanent Secretary, the Department for Culture, Media and Sport; Sir Michael Bichard, Permanent Secretary, the Department for Education and Employment; Mr William Rickett, Director General, Transport Strategy and Planning, the Department of the Environment, Transport and the Regions; and Mr Geoffrey Podger, Chief Executive, the Food Standards Agency, were examined (HC 426-i).

[Adjourned until Wednesday 25 April at half past Four o'clock.

WEDNESDAY 25 APRIL 2001

Members present:

Mr David Davis in the Chair

Mr Ian Davidson
Mr Nigel Griffiths
Mr Edward Leigh
Mr Andrew Love
Mr David Rendel
Mr Gerry Steinberg
Mr Alan Williams

Sir John Bourn, KCB, Comptroller and Auditor General, was further examined.

The Committee deliberated.

Mr Brian Glicksman, Treasury Officer of Accounts, was further examined.

The Comptroller and Auditor General's report on The Inland Revenue Appropriation Accounts 1999–2000 (Volume 16): Class XVI (HC 25-XVI) was considered.

Mr Nick Montagu, Chairman, Mrs Ann Chant, Deputy Chairman and Director General, Strategic Service Delivery, and Mr John Yard, Director (Business Services), the Inland Revenue; Mr William Thomas, Managing Director (UK and Ireland), Electronic Data Systems Limited; and Ms Elisabeth Astall, Partner, Accenture, were examined (HC 442-i).

Ordered, That copies of the uncorrected typescript of evidence taken this day on the Inland Revenue Appropriation Accounts 1999–2000 be placed in the House of Commons Library for the use of Members and in the Record Office, House of Lords, for public inspection; and That a corrected copy of the evidence, together with any supplementary written evidence received, be made available on the Internet.—(The Chairman.).

[Adjourned until Monday 30 April at half past Four o'clock.

MONDAY 30 APRIL 2001

Members present:

Mr David Davis in the Chair

Mr Alan Campbell
Mr Ian Davidson
Mr Barry Gardiner
Mr Edward Leigh
Mr David Rendel
Mr Gerry Steinberg
Mr Alan Williams

Sir John Bourn, KCB, Comptroller and Auditor General, was further examined.

The Committee deliberated.

Mr Brian Glicksman, Treasury Officer of Accounts, was further examined.

The Comptroller and Auditor General's report on Ministry of Defence: The Risk of Fraud in Property Management (HC 469) was considered.

Mr Kevin Tebbit, CMG, Permanent Under Secretary of State, and Mr Ian Andrews, CBE, TD, Chief Executive, Defence Estates, the Ministry of Defence; and Mr David Clarke, Director, the National Audit Office, were examined (HC 447-i).

In the absence of the Chairman, Mr Alan Williams took the Chair.

[Adjourned until Wednesday 2 May at half past Four o'clock.

WEDNESDAY 2 MAY 2001

Members present:

Mr David Davis in the Chair

Mr Alan Campbell
Mr Nigel Griffiths
Mr Edward Leigh
Mr David Rendel
Mr Gerry Steinberg

Sir John Bourn, KCB, Comptroller and Auditor General, was further examined.

The Committee deliberated.

Mr Glenn Hull, Second Treasury Officer of Accounts, was further examined.

The Comptroller and Auditor General's report on Regulating Housing Associations' Management of Financial Risk (HC 399) was considered.

Dr Norman Perry, Chief Executive, and Mrs Clare Miller, Director, Regulation Policy, the Housing Corporation, were examined (HC 460-i).

Resolved, That, should an announcement of the intended proclamation of the Dissolution of Parliament take place on Tuesday 8 May, all meetings of the Committee arranged for dates thereafter be cancelled.—(The Chairman.).

Resolved, That the Clerk of the Committee, in consultation either with this Committee's Chairman or with the most senior of this Committee's Members returned to the next Parliament, should have authority to arrange, once the new Parliament has been assembled and the debate on the Queen's Speech has been concluded, for the publication of any unpublished reports agreed by this Committee and reported to the House.—(The Chairman.).

[Adjourned.


 
 
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