Examination of Witnesses (Questions 480
WEDNESDAY 21 MARCH 2001
480. The industry widely represented as employers
and trade unions.
(Mr Jones) Yes.
481. Are there trade union representations on
all of those things.
(Mr Jones) Trade unions have been consulted on the
development of standards.
482. Consulted, but not part of the original
negotiations. We have been told that the British Board of Industry
Training is dominated by employers; is that unfair?
(Mr Sloggett) In the sense that that part of our money
which comes from the industry comes from employers, I think that
is fair, but as you were told earlier on we now have two board
members on BPIT who have come from TGWU and NUMAST, so we do now
have, very recently, union representation on our board.
483. Are you satisfied with the length of time
it has taken the Government to produce Modern Ports, a United
(Mr Sloggett) It has certainly taken the Government
longer than we expected for it to produce this document. I think
that certainly BPIT feels it says the right things about training.
I think we are grateful for the support that we are getting from
Government in that situation.
484. Are you over-reliant upon seafarers for
many of the jobs in your ports?
(Mr Jones) Some 20 per cent of people are on the marine
side, they work afloat or they have a marine based job, such as
working on a lock. Of those 20 per cent practically all of the
people who work in a management capacity or as pilots are from
a marine background.
485. If for any reason the number of people
available began to drop would you be in difficulty and have you
thought about that? Are you training people?
(Mr Jones) Very much so. We are aware that there is
a reduction in the availability of qualified ex-mariners coming
ashore. Some ports are reporting this now, although I have to
say that it is very much regional, and some ports have no problems
whatsoever because they are in prime areas. What we are doing
to try and address this problem currently is we are looking at
the possibility of developing a marine modern apprenticeship which
would attract young people to come in and they would have self-appropriate
training and work experience within the port and they would have,
hopefully, some time at sea and by the time they are about 25
they have got their modern apprenticeship and their Level 3 NVQ
and they can start deciding which route they want to go down,
they might want to become a pilot or a harbour master. That is
something that we are currently addressing and that may plug the
gap. We hope that policy in British shipping will improve and
that will be a long-term improvement.
Chairman: It seems a bit unfair but when you
do your survey guarantee can you, as quickly as possible, let
the Committee have some indication of what your first survey finds
and if you can give us a short note on some of the other aspects
that you find from the responses that you get. Could you also
attach a short note on the effect the National Training Scheme
is having, that would be very helpful. Thank you all for being