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House of Commons Votes and Proceedings
Tuesday 9th November 1999

The House met at half-past Two o'clock.
PRAYERS.
1Financial Services and Markets Bill,—Mr Peter Atkinson, pursuant to Order [25th October], reported from Standing Committee A, That it had gone through the Financial Services and Markets Bill, in respect of Clauses Nos. 1 to 134 and Schedules Nos. 1 to 11, and had directed him to report the Bill, as so far amended, to the House.
 
        Bill, as so far amended in the Standing Committee, to lie upon the Table.
 
        Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee to lie upon the Table.
2National Science Strategy,—Ordered, That leave be given to bring in a Bill to provide for the establishment of a national science strategy; to create a National Science Strategy Council to monitor levels of funding, to consult scientific organisations and to advise the Secretary of State; and for connected purposes: And that Dr Ian Gibson, Ms Judith Church, Dr Michael Clark, Mr Nigel Jones, Mr Anthony D. Wright, Mr Ivan Henderson, Dr Ashok Kumar, Dr Doug Naysmith, Mr Tony Clarke, Mr Hilary Benn, Dr Desmond Turner and Dr Brian Iddon do prepare and bring it in.
3National Science Strategy Bill,—Dr Ian Gibson accordingly presented a Bill to provide for the establishment of a national science strategy; to create a National Science Strategy Council to monitor levels of funding, to consult scientific organisations and to advise the Secretary of State; and for connected purposes: And the same was read the first time; and ordered to be read a second time on Thursday 11th November and to be printed [Bill 165].
4Welfare Reform and Pensions Bill,—The House, according to Order, proceeded to consider a Lords Amendment in lieu of one of their Amendments to the Welfare Reform and Pensions Bill to which the Commons have disagreed, a Lords Amendment in lieu of a Commons Amendment and Lords Amendments to a Commons Amendment to words restored to the Bill.
 
        Lords Amendment No. 20B.
 
        A Motion was made, and the Question being put, That this House disagrees with the Lords in their Amendment—(Mr Jeff Rooker);
 
        The House divided.
 
          Tellers for the Ayes, Mr Clive Betts, Mr Greg Pope: 361.
 
          Tellers for the Noes, Mrs Jacqui Lait, Mr Geoffrey Clifton-Brown: 178.
 
        So the Question was agreed to.
 
        The Lords Amendment was accordingly disagreed to.
 
        Lords Amendment No. 42.
 
        A Motion was made, and the Question being proposed, That this House insists on its Amendment No. 42A to the words restored to the Bill and disagrees with the Lords in their Amendment No. 42D in lieu—(Mr Secretary Darling);
 
        And it being one hour after the commencement of proceedings, the Deputy Speaker put the Question already proposed from the Chair, pursuant to Order [3rd November].
 
        The House divided.
 
          Tellers for the Ayes, Mr Greg Pope, Mr Clive Betts: 314.
 
          Tellers for the Noes, Mrs Jacqui Lait, Mr Geoffrey Clifton-Brown: 234.
 
        So the Question was agreed to.
 
        Resolved, That this House insists on its Amendment No. 42A to the words restored to the Bill and disagrees with the Lords in their Amendment No. 42D in lieu.
 
        Lords Amendment No. 43E.
 
        A Motion was made, and the Question being put forthwith, That this House disagrees with the Lords in their Amendment—(Mr Kevin Hughes);
 
        The House divided.
 
          Tellers for the Ayes, Mr Greg Pope, Mr Clive Betts: 312.
 
          Tellers for the Noes, Mrs Jacqui Lait, Mr Geoffrey Clifton-Brown: 234.
 
        So the Question was agreed to.
 
        The Lords Amendment was accordingly disagreed to.
 
        Lords Amendment No. 43F.
 
        A Motion was made, and the Question being put forthwith, That this House disagrees with the Lords in their Amendment—(Mr Kevin Hughes);
 
        The House divided.
 
          Tellers for the Ayes, Mr Greg Pope, Mr Clive Betts: 312.
 
          Tellers for the Noes, Mrs Jacqui Lait, Mr Geoffrey Clifton-Brown: 232.
 
        So the Question was agreed to.
 
        The Lords Amendment was accordingly disagreed to.
 
        Ordered, That a Committee be appointed to draw up Reasons to be assigned to the Lords for disagreeing to their Amendments Nos. 20B, 42D, 43E and 43F and for insisting on Amendment No. 42A.
 
        Ordered, That Mr Richard Burden, Mr Kevin Hughes, Mrs Eleanor Laing, Mr Eric Pickles and Mr Jeff Rooker be members of the Committee.
 
        Ordered, That Mr Jeff Rooker be Chairman of the Committee.
 
        Ordered, That three be the quorum of the Committee.
 
        Ordered, That the Committee do withdraw immediately.—(Mr Mike Hall.)
5Immigration and Asylum Bill (Supplemental Allocation of Time),—A Motion was made, and the Question being put, That the Order of the House [15th June] be supplemented as follows:
Lords Amendments
 
        1.—(1) Proceedings on Consideration of Lords Amendments shall be completed at today's sitting and, if not previously concluded, shall be brought to a conclusion five hours after the commencement of proceedings on this Order.
 
        (2) The Lords Amendments shall be considered in the following order: No. 135, Nos. 1 to 134 and Nos. 136 to 369.
 
        (3) Proceedings on Lords Amendment No. 135 shall, if not previously concluded, be brought to a conclusion one and a half hours after the commencement of proceedings on the Bill.
 
        2.—(1) This paragraph applies for the purpose of bringing the proceedings on Amendment No. 135 to a conclusion in accordance with paragraph 1(3).
 
        (2) The Speaker shall first put forthwith any Question which has already been proposed from the Chair and not yet decided.
 
        (3) If that Question is for the amendment of the Lords Amendment, the Speaker shall then put forthwith the Question on the Motion made by a Minister of the Crown, That this House disagrees with the Lords in the Amendment or (as the case may be) in the Amendment as amended.
 
        3.—(1) This paragraph applies for the purpose of bringing any proceedings to a conclusion in accordance with paragraph 1(1).
 
        (2) The Speaker shall first put forthwith any Question which has already been proposed from the Chair and not yet decided.
 
        (3) If that Question is for the amendment of a Lords Amendment, the Speaker shall then put forthwith—
 
        (a) the Question on any further Amendment of the Lords Amendment moved by a Minister of the Crown and
 
        (b) the Question on any Motion made by a Minister of the Crown, That this House agrees or disagrees with the Lords in the Amendment or (as the case may be) in the Amendment as amended.
 
        (4) The Speaker shall then put forthwith—
 
        (a) the Question on any Amendment moved by a Minister of the Crown to a Lords Amendment, and
 
        (b) the Question on any Motion made by a Minister of the Crown, That this House agrees or disagrees with the Lords in the Amendment or (as the case may be) in their Amendment as amended.
 
        (5) The Speaker shall then put forthwith the Question on any Motion made by a Minister of the Crown, That this House disagrees with the Lords in a Lords Amendment.
 
        (6) The Speaker shall then put forthwith the Question, That this House agrees with the Lords in all the remaining Lords Amendments.
 
        (7) As soon as the House has agreed or disagreed with the Lords in any of their Amendments, or disposed of an Amendment relevant to a Lords Amendment which has been disagreed to, the Speaker shall put forthwith a single Question on any Amendments moved by a Minister of the Crown relevant to the Lords Amendment.
Subsequent stages
 
        4.—(1) The Speaker shall put forthwith the Question on any Motion made by a Minister of the Crown for the consideration forthwith of any further Message from the Lords on the Bill.
 
        (2) The proceedings on any further Message from the Lords shall, if not previously concluded, be brought to a conclusion one hour after their commencement.
 
        (3) Sub-paragraphs (4) to (7) apply for the purpose of bringing those proceedings to a conclusion.
 
        (4) The Speaker shall first put forthwith any Question which has already been proposed from the Chair and not yet decided.
 
        (5) The Speaker shall then put forthwith the Question on any Motion made by a Minister of the Crown which is related to the Question already proposed from the Chair.
 
        (6) The Speaker shall then put forthwith the Question on any Motion made by a Minister of the Crown on any item.
 
        (7) The Speaker shall then put forthwith the Question, That this House agrees with the Lords in all the remaining Lords Proposals.
Reasons Committee
 
        5. The Speaker shall put forthwith the Question on any Motion made by a Minister of the Crown for the appointment, nomination and quorum of a Committee to draw up Reasons and the appointment of its Chairman.
 
        6.—(1) A Committee appointed to draw up Reasons shall report before the conclusion of the sitting at which it is appointed.
 
        (2) Proceedings in the Committee shall, if not previously brought to a conclusion, be brought to a conclusion 30 minutes after their commencement.
 
        (3) For the purpose of bringing any proceedings to a conclusion in accordance with sub-paragraph (2) the Chairman shall—
 
        (a) first put forthwith any Question which has already been proposed from the Chair and has not yet been decided; and
 
        (b) then put forthwith successively Questions on motions which may be made by a Minister of the Crown for assigning a Reason for disagreeing with the Lords in any of their Amendments.
 
        (4) The proceedings of the Committee shall be reported without any further Question being put.
Miscellaneous
 
        7. If the House is adjourned, or the sitting is suspended, before the expiry of the period at the end of which any proceedings are to be brought to a conclusion under this Order, no notice shall be required of a Motion made at the next sitting by a Minister of the Crown for varying or supplementing the provisions of this Order.
 
        8.—(1) In this paragraph "the proceedings" means proceedings on Consideration of Lords Amendments, on any further Message from the Lords on the Bill, on the appointment and quorum of a Committee to draw up Reasons and the Report of such a Committee.
 
        (2) Standing Order No. 15(1) (Exempted business) shall apply to the proceedings.
 
        (3) The proceedings shall not be interrupted under any Standing Order relating to the sittings of the House.
 
        (4) No dilatory Motion with respect to, or in the course of, the proceedings shall be made except by a Minister of the Crown, and the Question on any such Motion shall be put forthwith.
 
        9. If proceedings on a Motion for the Adjournment of the House would, by virtue of Standing Order No. 24 (Adjournment on specific and important matter that should have urgent consideration), commence at a time when proceedings to which paragraph 8 applies are in progress, proceedings on the Motion shall be postponed to the conclusion of those proceedings—(Mr Secretary Straw);
 
        The House divided.
 
          Tellers for the Ayes, Jim Dowd, Mr David Clelland: 339.
 
          Tellers for the Noes, Mrs Jacqui Lait, Mr Geoffrey Clifton-Brown: 175.
 
        So the Question was agreed to.
6Welfare Reform and Pensions Bill,—Mr Jeff Rooker reported from the Committee appointed to draw up Reasons to be assigned to the Lords for disagreeing to their Amendments and for insisting on a Commons Amendment to the Welfare Reform and Pensions Bill, That it had drawn up the following Reasons:
 
        The Commons disagree to Lords Amendment No. 20B, for the following Reason:—
 
      Because it involves charges on public funds, and the Commons do not offer any further reason, trusting that this Reason may be deemed sufficient.
 
        The Commons insist on their Amendment No. 42A and disagree to Lords Amendment No. 42D, for the following Reason:—
 
      Because the Lords Amendment would alter the financial arrangements made by the Commons, and the Commons do not offer any further reason, trusting that this Reason may be deemed sufficient.
 
        The Commons disagree to Lords Amendments No. 43E and 43F for the following Reason:—
 
      Because it would alter the financial arrangements made by the Commons, and the Commons do not offer any further reason, trusting that this Reason may be deemed sufficient.
 
        The Reasons were agreed to.
 
        Message to the Lords to communicate the said Reasons with the Bill.
7Immigration and Asylum Bill,—The House, according to Order, proceeded to consider Lords Amendments to the Immigration and Asylum Bill.
 
        Lords Amendment No. 135.
 
        A Motion was made, and the Question being proposed, That this House disagrees with the Lords in their Amendment—(Mr Secretary Straw);
 
        And it being one and a half hours after the commencement of proceedings on the Bill, the Deputy Speaker put the Question, pursuant to Order [this day].
 
        The House divided.
 
          Tellers for the Ayes, Mrs Anne McGuire, Mr David Jamieson: 331.
 
          Tellers for the Noes, Sir Robert Smith, Mr Donald Gorrie: 60.
 
        So the Question was agreed to.
 
        The Lords Amendment was accordingly disagreed to.
 
        Lords Amendment No. 1.
 
        An Amendment ((a)) was proposed to the Lords Amendment, in line 8, at the end to add the words—
 
        '(2) No person shall be accommodated by the Secretary of State under subsection (1) for a period exceeding 10 days.'.—(Mr Simon Hughes.)
Wednesday 10th November 1999
 
        Question put, That the Amendment be made to the Lords Amendment;
 
        The House divided.
 
          Tellers for the Ayes, Sir Robert Smith, Mr David Heath: 39.
 
          Tellers for the Noes, Mr Kevin Hughes, Mr Robert Ainsworth: 296.
 
        So the Question was negatived.
 
        And it being more than five hours after the commencement of proceedings on the Supplemental Allocation of Time Order, the Deptury Speaker put the Questions necessary to bring proceedings on consideration of Lords Amendments to a conclusion.
 
        Lords Amendment No. 1 was agreed to, the Commons being willing to waive their privileges.
 
        Lords Amendment No. 139.
 
        An Amendment ((a)) was made to the Lords Amendment.
 
        The Lords Amendment, so amended, was agreed to.
 
        Lords Amendments Nos. 2 to 134, 136 to 138, and 140 to 369 were agreed to, the Commons being willing to waive their privileges in relation to Lords Amendments Nos. 14, 152, 164, 167, 174, 180, 183, 184, 189, 191, 193, 194, 250, 275, 279 and 287.
 
        Ordered, That a Committee be appointed to draw up Reasons to be assigned to the Lords for disagreeing to their Amendment No. 135.
 
        Ordered, That Mr Mike Hall, Mr Tom Levitt, Mr David Lidington, Mrs Barbara Roche and Mr Keith Simpson be members of the Committee.
 
        Ordered, That Mrs Barbara Roche be Chairman of the Committee.
 
        Ordered, That three be the quorum of the Committee.
 
        Ordered, That the Committee do withdraw immedidately.—(Mr Mike Hall.)
8Immigration and Asylum Bill,—Mrs Barbara Roche reported from the Committee appointed to draw up Reasons to be assigned to the Lords for disagreeing to their Amendment No. 135, That it had drawn up the following Reason:—
 
        The Commons disagree to Lords Amendment No. 135 for the following Reason:
 
      Because it would alter the financial arrangements made by the Commons, and the Commons do not offer any further Reason, trusting that this Reason may be deemed sufficient.
9Social Security,—A Motion was made, and the Question being put forthwith, pursuant to Standing Order No. 118 (Standing Committees on Delegated Legislation), That the draft Jobseeker's Allowance Amendment (New Deal) Regulations 1999, which were laid before this House on 14th July, be approved—(Mrs Anne McGuire):—It was agreed to.
10Social Security,—A Motion was made, and the Question being put forthwith, pursuant to Standing Order No. 118 (Standing Committees on Delegated Legislation), That the draft Social Security (New Deal Pilot) Regulations 1999, which were laid before this House on 21st October, be approved—(Mrs Anne McGuire):—It was agreed to.
11Social Security,—A Motion was made, and the Question being put forthwith, pursuant to Standing Order No. 118 (Standing Committees on Delegated Legislation), That the draft Jobseeker's Allowance (Amendment) (No. 2) Regulations 1999, which were laid before this House on 21st October, be approved—(Mrs Anne McGuire):—It was agreed to.
12Value Added Tax,—A Motion was made, and the Question being put forthwith, pursuant to Standing Order No. 118 (Standing Committees on Delegated Legislation), That the Value Added Tax (Input Tax) (Amendment) Order 1999 (S.I., 1999, No. 2930), dated 26th October 1999, a copy of which was laid before this House on 27th October, be approved—(Mrs Anne McGuire):—It was agreed to.
13Adjournment,—A Motion was made, and the Question being proposed, That this House do now adjourn—(Mrs Anne McGuire);
 
        And the Motion having been made after Ten o'clock on Tuesday, and the Debate having continued for half an hour, the Deputy Speaker adjourned the House, without Question put, pursuant to the Standing Order, it being then eighteen minutes past One o'clock, till this day.
[Adjourned at 1.18 a.m.
Betty Boothroyd
Speaker        

Madam Speaker will take the Chair at half-past Nine o'clock.

APPENDIX I
Papers presented or laid upon the Table:
Other Papers:
1Audit (Northern Ireland),—Report by the Comptroller and Auditor General for Northern Ireland on Improving Winter Driving Conditions [by Statutory Instrument]; to be printed [No. 933] [Mr Secretary Mandelson].
2Natural Heritage (Scotland),—(1) Report and Summary Financial Statements of Scottish Natural Heritage for 1998-99, and
 
        (2) Scottish Natural Heritage Facts and Figures for 1998-99
 
    [by Act] [Mr Secretary Reid].
3Pre-Budget Report,—Paper, entitled Pre-Budget Report, November 1999: Stability and steady growth for Britain [by Command] [Cm. 4479] [Mr Chancellor of the Exchequer].
APPENDIX II
Reports from Select Committees
1Agriculture,—(1) Minutes of Evidence taken before the Agriculture Committee [Marketing of Milk]; to be printed [No. 830-iv];
 
        (2) Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee [Current Crisis in the Livestock Industry]; to be printed [No. 931-i]; and
 
        (3) Memoranda laid before the Committee [Current Crisis in the Livestock Industry; Implications for UK Agriculture and EU Agricultural Policy of Trade Liberalisation and the WTO Round; Marketing of Milk; Segregation of GM Foods]
 
    [Mr Peter Luff].
2Culture, Media and Sport,—Minutes of Evidence taken before the Culture, Media and Sport Committee [The Future of Professional Rugby]; to be printed [No. 590-iii] [Mr Gerald Kaufman].
3Education and Employment,—(1) Ninth Report from the Education and Employment Committee [Opportunities for Disabled People], together with Appendices to the Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee; to be printed, with the Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee relating to the Report [No. 111]; and
 
        (2) Memoranda laid before the Committee [Opportunities for Disabled People]
 
    [Mr Derek Foster].
4Environment, Transport and Regional Affairs,—Minutes of Evidence taken before the Environment Sub-Committee of the Environment, Transport and Regional Affairs Committee [The Environment Agency]; to be printed [No. 829-i] [Mr Andrew F. Bennett].
5Environmental Audit,—Minutes of Evidence taken before the Environmental Audit Committee [A Sustainable Millennium Round (WTO)]; to be printed [No. 883-ii] [Mr John Horam].
6Home Affairs,—(1) Fifth Report from the Home Affairs Committee [Drugs and Prisons], together with Appendices to the Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee; to be printed, with the Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee relating to the Report [No. 363]; and
 
        (2) Memoranda laid before the Committee [Drugs and Prisons]
 
    [Mr Robin Corbett].
7International Development,—(1) Seventh Report from the International Development Committee [Women and Development], together with Appendices to the Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee; to be printed, with the Minutes of Proceedings relating to the Report [No. 160]; and
 
        (2) Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee [Kosovo: Further Developments]; to be printed [No. 924-i]
 
    [Mr Bowen Wells].
8Procedure,—Minutes of Evidence taken before the Procedure Committee [Delegated Legislation]; to be printed [No. 930-i] [Mr Nicholas Winterton].
9Public Administration,—(1) Fifth Report from the Select Committee on Public Administration [Freedom of Information: The Home Office Response]; to be printed, with the Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee relating to the Report [No. 925];
 
        (2) Sixth Report from the Committee [Quangos]; to be printed, with the Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee relating to the Report [No. 209-I];
 
        (3) Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee [Public Sector Ombudsmen Review]; to be printed [No. 926-i]; and
 
        (4) Memoranda laid before the Committee [Quangos] [No. 209-II]
 
    [Dr Tony Wright].
10Standards and Privileges,—(1) Twelfth Report from the Committee on Standards and Privileges [Remunerated Employment as a Member of another Elected Body]; to be printed, with the Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee relating to the Report [No. 928];
 
        (2) Thirteenth Report from the Committee [Complaint against Marjorie Mowlam], together with an Appendix; to be printed, with the Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee relating to the Report [No. 929]; and
 
        (3) Fourteenth Report from the Committee [Complaint against Dr Jack Cunningham]; to be printed, with the Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee relating to the Report [No. 929]
 
    [Mr Robert Sheldon].
11Statutory Instruments,—Thirtieth Report from the Joint Committee on Statutory Instruments, together with Memoranda laid before the Committee; to be printed [No. 50-xxx] [Mr David Tredinnick].
12Trade and Industry,—Minutes of Evidence taken before the Trade and Industry Committee [Export Credit Guarantee Department]; to be printed [Nos. 934-i and-ii] [Mr Martin O'Neill].
13Treasury,—Minutes of Evidence taken before the Treasury Committee [Private Finance Initiative]; to be printed [No. 927-i] [Mr Giles Radice].



 
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