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House of Commons Votes and Proceedings
Tuesday 15th December 1998

The House met at half-past Two o'clock.
PRAYERS.
1First Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation,—Mr Bill O'Brien reported from the First Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation the draft Financing of Maintained Schools Regulations 1998.
 
        Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee to lie upon the Table.
2Second Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation,—Mrs Irene Adams reported from the Second Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation the draft Criminal Legal Aid (Scotland) (Prescribed Proceedings) Amendment (No. 2) Regulations 1998 and the draft Advice and Assistance (Assistance by Way of Representation) (Scotland) Amendment (No. 2) Regulations 1998.
 
        Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee to lie upon the Table.
3Greater London Authority Bill,—The Order of the day being read, for resuming the adjourned Debate on the Amendment proposed to be made to the Question proposed yesterday, That the Greater London Authority Bill be now read a second time;
 
        Which Amendment was to leave out from the word 'That' to the end of the Question and add the words 'this House, while welcoming the proposal for a directly elected mayor for Greater London, declines to give a second reading to the Greater London Authority Bill because, instead of creating an Assembly consisting of representatives nominated by each London borough and the Corporation of London, which would best serve London's interests, it provides for the establishment of a directly elected assembly which would diminish the status of the London boroughs and would be likely to lead to conflict between the boroughs and the Greater London Authority; and because, in failing to provide for the transfer of London Underground to the private sector so as to boost investment and in proposing the imposition of new taxes on motorists in London to pay for cuts in central government spending, the Bill offers an inadequate response to the problems of transport in London', instead thereof;
 
        And the Question being again proposed, That the Amendment be made:—The House resumed the adjourned Debate;
 
        And it being Seven o'clock, the Deputy Speaker put the Question, pursuant to Order [10th December].
 
        The House divided.
 
          Tellers for the Ayes, Mrs Caroline Spelman, Sir David Madel:140.
 
          Tellers for the Noes, Mr Greg Pope, Mr Keith Hill:396.
 
        So the Question was negatived.
 
        Main Question put and agreed to.
 
        The Bill was accordingly read a second time.
 
        Ordered, That—
 
          (1) Clauses 1 to 4 and Schedules 1 and 2 be committeed to a Committee of the whole House;
 
          (2) the remainder of the Bill be committed to a Standing Committee; and
 
          (3) when the provisions of the Bill considered, respectively, by the Committee of the whole House and by Standing Committee have been reported to the House, the Bill be proceeded with as if the Bill had been reported as a whole to the House from the Standing Committee.—(Mr Mike Hall.)
 
        Committee to-morrow.
4Greater London Authority Bill [Money],—Her Majesty's Recommendation having been signified to the proposed Motion relating to Greater London Authority Bill [Money];
 
        A Motion was made, and the Question being put forthwith, pursuant to Standing Order No. 52 (Money resolutions and ways and means resolutions in connection with bills), That, for the purposes of any Act resulting from the Greater London Authority Bill, it is expedient to authorise—
 
        (1) the charging on, and payment out of, the Consolidated Fund of expenditure incurred by returning officers in relation to the holding of the first ordinary election of the Greater London Authority; and
 
        (2) the payment out of money provided by Parliament of—
 
          (a) any expenditure incurred by a Minister of the Crown or government department under or by virtue of the Act; and
 
          (b) any increase attributable to the Act in the sums payable out of such money under any other Act—(Mrs Anne McGuire):—It was agreed to.
5Greater London Authority Bill [Ways and Means],—A Motion was made, and the Question being put forthwith, pursuant to Standing Order No. 52 (Money resolutions and ways and means resolutions in connection with bills), That, for the purposes of any Act resulting from the Greater London Authority Bill, it is expedient to authorise—
 
        (1) the making of provision for and in connection with—
 
          (a) the levying of charges on persons using or keeping motor vehicles on roads in Greater London;
 
          (b) the levying of charges on persons providing parking places for motor vehicles in Greater London; and
 
          (c) charges to tax in connection with transfers of property, rights and liabilities; and
 
        (2) the payment of sums into the Consolidated Fund—(Mrs Anne McGuire):—It was agreed to.
6Fisheries: Total Allowable Catches and Quotas 1999,—A Motion was made, and the Question being proposed, That this House takes note of European Union Document No. COM(98)680, relating to the fixing of total allowable catches for 1999 and certain conditions under which they may be fished; and supports the Government's intentions to negotiate the best possible fishing opportunities for British fishermen based on sustainable fisheries management, effective enforcement and the need to ensure that regional differences of fisheries are fully recognised—(Mr Elliot Morley);
 
        An Amendment was proposed to the Question, in line 6, at the end to add the words 'recalls that the previous Government added to the burden of UK fishing communities, missed crucial opportunities to develop and enhance the industry, failed to take decisive action to reduce the loss of British fish quota to "flag of convenience" vessels and brought forward Spanish access to western waters by six years; welcomes the forthcoming reform of the Common Fisheries Policy as an opportunity to establish a decentralised system based on the regional management of fisheries which should aim to reduce the need for discards and improve the accuracy of the scientific base for decision making, ensure equality of monitoring and enforcement across the EU, protect the six and 12 mile fishing limits and develop a policy to encourage low-impact and sustainable fishing methods; and recognises that the fishing industry should continue to be exempt from the EU Working Time Directive'—(Mr Andrew George);
 
        And it being Ten o'clock, the Deputy Speaker, pursuant to Order [10th December], put the Question, That the Amendment be made.
 
        The House divided.
 
          Tellers for the Ayes, Mr Edward Davey, Mr Phil Willis: 50.
 
          Tellers for the Noes, Mr Jim Dowd, Mr Robert Ainsworth: 340.
 
        So the Question was negatived.
 
        And the Main Question being put;
 
        The House divided.
 
          Tellers for the Ayes, Mr Robert Ainsworth, Mr Jim Dowd: 377.
 
          Tellers for the Noes, Mrs Caroline Spelman, Sir David Madel: 129.
 
        So the Question was agreed to.
 
        Resolved, That this House takes note of European Union Document No. COM(98)680, relating to the fixing of total allowable catches for 1999 and certain conditions under which they may be fished; and supports the Government's intentions to negotiate the best possible fishing opportunities for British fisherman based on sustainable fisheries management, effective enforcement and the need to ensure that regional differences of fisheries are fully recognised.
7Consolidated Fund Bill,—The Order of the day being read, for the Second Reading of the Consolidated Fund Bill;
 
        A Motion was made, and the Question being put forthwith, pursuant to Standing Order No. 56 (Consolidated Fund Bills), That the Bill be now read a second time:—It was agreed to.
 
        And the Question being put forthwith, That the Bill be now read the third time:—It was agreed to.
 
        The Bill was accordingly read the third time, and passed.
8Business of the House,—Ordered, That, at the sitting on Wednesday 16th December, proceedings on any Motions in the name of Margaret Beckett relating to modernisation of the House of Commons, sittings of the House or meetings of standing committees may continue, though opposed, until any hour and the Speaker shall put the Questions necessary to dispose of proceedings not later than eight o'clock, or four hours after the commencement of proceedings, whichever is the later, and such Questions shall include the Questions on any Amendments selected by her which may then be moved.—(Mr Mike Hall.)
9Public Petitions,—Public Petitions from—
 
        (1) residents of Colchester and district relating to the sale of old people's homes in Essex;
 
        (2) residents of Moreton and others relating to the proposed creation of a permanent showman's site in Moreton; and
 
        (3) users and supporters of the Forum of Derbyshire Community Transports relating to community transport services
 
    were presented and read; and ordered to lie upon the Table and to be printed.
10Adjournment,—Resolved, That this House do now adjourn.—(Mr Mike Hall.)
 
        And accordingly the House, having continued to sit till one minute to Eleven o'clock, adjourned till to-morrow.
[Adjourned at 10.59 p.m.
Betty Boothroyd
Speaker        

Madam Speaker will take the Chair at half-past Nine o'clock.

APPENDIX I
Papers presented or laid upon the Table:
Papers subject to Affirmative Resolution:
1Police,—Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1984 (Codes of Practice No. 5) Order 1998, dated 8th December 1998 [by Act] [Mr Secretary Straw].
Papers subject to Negative Resolution:
2Building and Buildings,—Building (Local Authority Charges) Regulations 1998 (S.I., 1998, No. 3129), dated 14th December 1998 [by Act] [Mr Secretary Prescott].
3Legal Aid and Advice,—Legal Aid in Criminal and Care Proceedings (Costs) (Amendment) (No. 4) Regulations 1998 (S.I., 1998, No. 3154), dated 11th December 1998 [by Act] [Mr Geoffrey Hoon].
4Sea Fisheries,—Sole, Plaice and Other Species (Specified Sea Areas) (Prohibition of Fishing) Order 1998 (S.I., 1998, No. 3118), dated 11th December 1998 [by Act] [Mr Nicholas Brown].
5Universities of Oxford and Cambridge,—Statute, dated 22nd June 1998, made by the University of Oxford amending the Statutes of the University [by Act] [Margaret Beckett].
Other Papers:
6Executive Non-Departmental Public Bodies,—Executive Non-Departmental Public Bodies Report for 1998 [by Command] [Cm. 4157] [Dr Jack Cunningham].
7Explosives,—Report of Her Majesty's Inspectors of Explosives for Northern Ireland for 1997 [by Act]; to be printed [No. 36] [Secretary Marjorie Mowlam].
8Human Fertilisation and Embryology,—Report and Accounts of the Human Fertilisation and Embryology Authority for 1996-97 and 1997-98, with the Reports of the Comptroller and Auditor General thereon [by Act] [Mr Secretary Dobson].
9Museums and Galleries,—Accounts of the Natural History Museum for 1997-98, with the Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General thereon [by Act]; to be printed [No. 107] [Clerk of the House].
10National Heritage,—Account of the Board of Trustees of the Armouries for 1997-98, with the Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General thereon [by Act]; to be printed [No. 108] [Clerk of the House].
11National Insurance,—Account of Securities held for the National Insurance Fund as at 31st March 1998 [by Act] [Clerk of the House].
12Northern Ireland,—Northern Ireland Appropriation Accounts for 1997-98 together with the Consolidated Fund Services Account; and the Report by the Comptroller and Auditor General for Northern Ireland thereon and upon the Revenue Accounts [by Act]; to be printed [No. 47] [Secretary Marjorie Mowlam].
13Pensions,—Paper, entitled a new contract for welfare: partnership in pensions [by Command] [Cm. 4179] [Mr Secretary Darling].
14Tribunals and Inquiries,—Report of the Council on Tribunals for 1997-98 [by Act]; to be printed [No. 45] [Mr Geoffrey Hoon].
APPENDIX II
Standing Committees
Town and Country Planning (Minerals) (Scotland) Regulations 1998 (S.I., 1998, No. 2913) and Town and Country Planning (Compensation for Restrictions on Mineral Working and Mineral Waste Depositing) (Scotland) Regulations 1998 (S.I., 1998 No. 2914),—The Committee of Selection has discharged Mr Eric Clarke, Mr Tam Dalyell and Mrs Sandra Osborne from the Third Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation (nominated in respect of the Regulations); and nominated in substitution Miss Anne Begg, Mr Malcolm Chisholm and Mr David Stewart.
APPENDIX III
Reports from Select Committees
1Agriculture,—(1) Minutes of Evidence taken before the Agriculture Committee [UK Pig Industry]; to be printed [No. 87-iii]; and
 
        (2) Memoranda laid before the Committee [Sea Fishing; UK Pig Industry; Badgers and Bovine Tuberculosis]
 
    [Mr Peter Luff].
2Education and Employment,—Minutes of Evidence taken before the Education and Employment Committee [Opportunities for Disabled People]; to be printed [No. 111-i] [Mr Derek Foster].
3Environment, Transport and Regional Affairs,—Minutes of Evidence taken before the Environment Sub-Committee of the Environment, Transport and Regional Affairs Committee [Local Government Finance]; to be printed [No. 78-ii] [Mr Andrew F. Bennett].
4Home Affairs,—Minutes of Evidence taken before the Home Affairs Committee [The Work of the Criminal Cases Review Commission]; to be printed [No. 106-i] [Mr Chris Mullin].
5International Development,—Minutes of Evidence taken before the International Development Committee [The Future of the EC Development Budget]; to be printed [No. 44-iii] [Mr Bowen Wells].
6Scottish Affairs,—Minutes of Evidence taken before the Scottish Affairs Committee on 14th December [Inward/Outward Investment in Scotland]; to be printed [No. 84-ii] [Mr David Marshall].
7Statutory Instruments,—Third Report from the Joint Committee on Statutory Instruments, together with Memoranda laid before the Committee; to be printed [No. 50-iii] [Mr David Tredinnick].
8Trade and Industry,—(1) Third Report from the Trade and Industry Committee [Multilateral Agreement on Investment], together with Appendices to the Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee; to be printed, with the Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee relating to the Report [No. 112]; and
 
        (2) First Special Report from the Committee [The Future of the Post Office: Conduct of Inquiry], together with Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee; to be printed [No. 113]
 
    [Mr Martin O'Neill].
9Treasury,—(1) First Report from the Treasury Committee [The Office for National Statistics], with Appendices to the Minutes of Evidence taken before the Sub-Committee; to be printed, with the Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee relating to the Report [No. 43]; and
 
        (2) Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee [The Financial Services Authority]; to be printed [No. 73-iv]
 
    [Mr Giles Radice].
10Welsh Affairs,—Minutes of Evidence taken before the Welsh Affairs Committee [Broadcasting in Wales and the National Assembly]; to be printed [No. 48-iii] [Mr Martyn Jones].



 
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