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House of Commons Votes and Proceedings
Thursday 10th December 1998

The House met at half-past Two o'clock.
PRAYERS.
1Private Bills,—The Chairman of Ways and Means reported, That, in accordance with Standing Order 81 relating to Private Business (Division of bills between this House and the House of Lords), he had conferred with the Chairman of Committees of the House of Lords, for the purpose of determining in which House of Parliament the respective Private Bills should be first considered, and they had determined that the Bills contained in the following list should originate in the House of Lords, viz.;
 
          Baxi Partnership Limited Trusts
 
          City of Newcastle upon Tyne
 
          Kent County Council
 
          Medway Council
 
          United Reformed Church
 
    and that the Bills contained in the following list should originate in the House of Commons, viz.:
 
          City of London (Ward Elections)
 
          HFC Bank
 
          Imperial College
 
          Transport Salaried Staffs' Association (Amendment of Rules) etc.
 
          University College London.
2Northern Ireland Grand Committee,—Mr Peter Atkinson reported from the Northern Ireland Grand Committee, That it had considered the matter of the Comprehensive Spending Review in Northern Ireland, referred to it on 7th December, and had directed him to report accordingly to the House.
 
        Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee to be printed [No. 99].
3Third Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation,—Mr Roger Gale reported from the Third Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation the draft Government of Wales Act 1998 (Housing) (Amendments) Order 1998.
 
        Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee to lie upon the Table.
4Fourth Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation,—Mr John Butterfill reported from the Fourth Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation the draft Fair Employment and Treatment (Northern Ireland) Order 1998.
 
        Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee to lie upon the Table.
5Tax Credits Bill,—Mr Chancellor of the Exchequer, supported by Mr Secretary Darling, Mr Stephen Byers, Mr Geoffrey Robinson, Dawn Primarolo and Ms Patricia Hewitt presented a Bill to provide for family credit and disability working allowance to be known, respectively, as working families tax credit and disabled person's tax credit; and to make further provision with respect to those credits, including provision for the transfer of functions relating to them: And the same was read the first time; and ordered to be read a second time on Monday 14th December and to be printed [Bill 9].
 
        Ordered, that the Explanatory Notes relating to the Tax Credits Bill be printed [Bill 9—EN].
6Estimates [1st allotted day],—The House proceeded, pursuant to Resolution [3rd December], to consider the Estimates appointed for consideration under Standing Order No. 145 (Liaison Committee).
 
        Vote on Account, 1999-2000 (Class IV, Vote 1),—A Motion was made, and the Question being proposed, That a sum, not exceeding £2,299,414,000 be granted to Her Majesty out of the Consolidated Fund, on account, for or towards defraying the charge for the year ending on 31st March 2000 for expenditure by the Home Office on police; the Forensic Science Service; registration of forensic practitioners; emergency planning; fire services; the Fire Service College; criminal policy and programmes including offender programmes; the prevention of drug abuse; crime reduction and prevention; provision of services relating to the Crime and Disorder Act; criminal justice service planning and other services related to crime; support to the voluntary sector; family policy issues; research; criminal injuries compensation; organised and international crime; control of immigration and nationality; issue of passports; community and constitutional services; firearms compensation and related matters; and on administration (excluding the provision for prisons administration carried on Class IV, Vote 2)—(Mr Paul Boateng);
 
        The Debate was concluded, and the Question necessary to dispose of the proceedings was deferred, pursuant to paragraph (4) of Standing Order No. 54 (Consideration of estimates).
 
        Vote on Account, 1999-2000 (Class I, Vote 1),—A Motion was made, and the Question being proposed, that a sum, not exceeding £6,826,077,000 be granted to Her Majesty out of the Consolidated Fund, on account, for or towards defraying the charge for the year ending on 31st March 2000 for expenditure by the Department for Education and Employment on voluntary and special schools; the Assisted Places Scheme; the provision of education for under-fives; City Colleges and other specialist schools; grant-maintained schools and schools conducted by Education Associations; music and ballet schools; the school curriculum and its assessment; the youth service and other educational services and initiatives; careers guidance and services; payments for or in connection with teacher training; higher and further education provision and initiatives; loans to students, student awards and other student grants and their administration; the payment of access funds; reimbursement of fees for qualifying European Community students; compensation payments to teachers and staff of certain institutions; expenditure on other central government grants to local authorities; the provision of training and assessment programmes for young people and adults; initiatives to improve training and qualifications arrangements and access to these; the promotion of enterprise and the encouragement of self employment; payments for education, training and employment projects assisted by the European Community and refunds to the European Community; events associated with the UK presidency of the EU; the UK subscription to the ILO; help for unemployed people; the promotion of equal opportunities, disability rights, childcare provisions and co-ordination of certain issues of particular importance to women; the payment of certain fees to the Home Office; the Department's own administration and research and that of Capita; information and publicity services; expenditure via Training and Enterprise Councils and amounts retained by them as surpluses and spent by them on training; other initiatives within their articles and memoranda of association; expenditure in connection with the sale of the student loans debt; and on expenditure in connection with the Welfare to Work Programme and Millennium Volunteers.—(Mr Andrew Smith);
 
        And it being Ten o'clock, the Deputy Speaker interrupted the proceedings, and the Question necessary to dispose of proceedings was deferred, pursuant to paragraph (4) of Standing Order No. 54 (Consideration of estimates).
 
        The Deputy Speaker, pursuant to paragraphs (4) and (5) of Standing Order No. 54 (Consideration of estimates), put the deferred Questions on estimates and the Questions necessary to dispose of proceedings on the other estimates appointed for consideration this day.
Class IV, Vote 1
 
        Resolved, That a sum, not exceeding £2,299,414,000 be granted to Her Majesty out of the Consolidated Fund, on account, for or towards defraying the charge for the year ending on 31st March 2000 for expenditure by the Home Office on police; the Forensic Science Service; registration of forensic practitioners; emergency planning; fire services; the Fire Service College; criminal policy and programmes including offender programmes; the prevention of drug abuse; crime reduction and prevention; provision of services relating to the Crime and Disorder Act; criminal justice service planning and other services related to crime; support to the voluntary sector; family policy issues; research; criminal injuries compensation; organised and international crime; control of immigration and nationality; issue of passports; community and constitutional services; firearms compensation and related matters; and on administration (excluding the provision for prisons administration carried on Class IV, Vote 2).
Class IV, Vote 2
 
        Resolved, That a sum, not exceeding £766,651,000 be granted to Her Majesty out of the Consolidated Fund, on account, for or towards defraying the charge for the year ending on 31st March 2000 for expenditure by the Home Office in England and Wales on prisons (including central administration and other costs arising from the detention of prisoners); placements in secure accommodation under section 53 of the Children and Young Persons Act 1933; Prison Service colleges; the Parole Board; the storage and maintenance of equipment; transport management; grants to "Prisoners Abroad", and Welfare to Work Schemes.
Class I, Vote 1
 
        Resolved, That a sum, not exceeding £6,826,077,000 be granted to Her Majesty out of the Consolidated Fund, on account, for or towards defraying the charge for the year ending on 31st March 2000 for expenditure by the Department for Education and Employment on voluntary and special schools; the Assisted Places Scheme; the provision of education for under-fives; City Colleges and other specialist schools; grant-maintained schools and schools conducted by Education Associations; music and ballet schools; the school curriculum and its assessment; the youth service and other educational services and initiatives; careers guidance and services; payments for or in connection with teacher training; higher and further education provision and initiatives; loans to students, student awards and other student grants and their administration; the payment of access funds; reimbursement of fees for qualifying European Community students; compensation payments to teachers and staff of certain institutions; expenditure on other central government grants to local authorities; the provision of training and assessment programmes for young people and adults; initiatives to improve training and qualifications arrangements and access to these; the promotion of enterprise and the encouragement of self employment; payments for education, training and employment projects assisted by the European Community and refunds to the European Community; events associated with the UK presidency of the EU; the UK subscription to the ILO; help for unemployed people; the promotion of equal opportunities, disability rights, childcare provision and co-ordination of certain issues of particular importance to women; the payment of certain fees to the Home Office; the Department's own administration and research and that of Capita; information and publicity services; expenditure via Training and Enterprise Councils and amounts retained by them as surpluses and spent by them on training; other initiatives within their articles and memoranda of association; expenditure in connection with the sale of the student loans debt; and on expenditure in connection with the Welfare to Work Programme and Millennium Volunteers.
Class I, Vote 3
 
        Resolved, That a sum, not exceeding £782,937,000 be granted to Her Majesty out of the Consolidated Fund, on account, for or towards defraying the charge for the year ending on 31st March 2000 for expenditure by the Employment Service of the Department for Education and Employment on: measures to help people, particularly people who are unemployed and people with disabilities, into work; the elements of the delivery of the Jobseeker's Allowance undertaken by the Employment Service; the administration of, and where appropriate the payment of allowances to people participating in, the Welfare to Work programme and other employment programmes, pilot programmes and new measures to help people into work; the payment of temporary subsidies to employers; the payment of grants to voluntary bodies and local authorities towards the provision of supported employment; and grant in aid and the provision of a temporary loan facility to Remploy Limited; assistance and advice on employment service and labour market issues to international organisations; research; publicity; and administration.
Class XII
 
        Resolved, that a sum, not exceeding £22,716,706,000 be granted to Her Majesty out of the Consolidated Fund, on account, for or towards defraying the charge for the year ending on 31st March 2000 for expenditure by the Department of Social Security.
7Estimates,—The Deputy Speaker then put the Questions required to be put, pursuant to Standing Order No. 55 (Questions on voting of estimates, &c.).
Estimates, 1998-99 (Navy) Vote A
 
        Resolved, That during the year ending on 31st March 1999 an additional number not exceeding 10 officers be maintained for Service in the Reserve Marine Forces.
Supplementary Estimates, 1998-99
 
        Resolved, That a supplementary sum, not exceeding £924,068,000 be granted to Her Majesty out of the Consolidated Fund, to defray the charges for civil services which will come in the course of payment during the year ending on 31st March 1999, as set out in HC 857 of Session 1997-98.
Estimates, 1999-2000 (Vote on Account)
 
        Resolved, That a further sum, not exceeding £69,610,689,000 be granted to Her Majesty out of the Consolidated Fund, on account for or towards defraying the charges for civil and defence services in Class I, Votes 2 and 4; Classes II and III; Class IV, Vote 3; Classes V to XI; Classes XIII to XVIII; and Classes XVIII, A and XVIII, B for the year ending on 31st March 2000, as set out in HC 1134, 1135 and 1136 of Session 1997-98.
 
        Ordered, That a Bill be brought in upon the foregoing Resolutions; And that the Chairman of Ways and Means, Mr Chancellor of the Exchequer, Mr Stephen Byers, Mr Geoffrey Robinson, Dawn Primarolo and Ms Patricia Hewitt do prepare and bring it in.
8Consolidated Fund Bill,—Dawn Primarolo accordingly presented a Bill to apply certain sums out of the Consolidated Fund to the service of the years ending on 31st March 1999 and 2000: and the same was read the first time; and ordered to be read a second time on Monday 14th December and to be printed [Bill 8].
9Business of the House,—Ordered, That the following provisions shall apply to the Second Reading of the Greater London Authority Bill:
 
        (a) at the sitting on Monday 14th December, proceedings thereon may continue, though opposed, until midnight; and
 
        (b) at the sitting on Tuesday 15th December, the Speaker shall put the Questions necessary to dispose of proceedings on Second Reading of the Bill at Seven o'clock.—(Mr Keith Hill.)
10Business of the House,—Ordered, That at the sitting on Tuesday 15th December, Standing Order No. 16 (Proceedings under an Act or on European Union Documents) shall not apply to any Motion in the name of the Prime Minister relating to fisheries, and the Speaker shall put the Questions necessary to dispose of proceedings thereon not later than Ten o'clock.—(Mr Keith Hill.)
11European Scrutiny Committee,—Ordered, That Mr Russell Brown and Mrs Linda Gilroy be discharged from the European Scrutiny Committee and Mr Michael Connarty and Dr Nick Palmer be added to the Committee.—(Mr Keith Hill.)
12Adjournment,—Resolved, That this House do now adjourn.—(Mr Keith Hill.)
 
        And accordingly the House, having continued to sit till twenty-nine minutes past Ten o'clock, adjourned till Monday 14th December.
[Adjourned at 10.29 p.m.
Betty Boothroyd
Speaker        

Madam Speaker will take the Chair at half-past Two o'clock on Monday 14th December.

APPENDIX I
Papers presented or laid upon the Table:
Papers subject to Affirmative Resolution:
1Companies,—(1) Companies (Fees) (Amendment) Regulations 1998 (S.I., 1998, No. 3088), and
 
        (2) Open-Ended Investment Companies (Investment Companies with Variable Capital) (Fees) Regulations 1998 (S.I., 1998, No. 3087),
 
    dated 9th December 1998 [by Act] [Mr Secretary Mandelson].
Papers subject to Negative Resolution:
2Animals,—BSE Offspring Slaughter Regulations 1998 (S.I., 1998, No. 3070), dated 8th December 1998 [by Act] [Mr Nicholas Brown].
3Civil Aviation,—Civil Aviation (Navigation Services Charges) (Amendment) Regulations 1998 (S.I., 1998, No. 2975), dated 2nd December 1998 [by Act] [Mr Secretary Prescott].
4Consumer Protection,—Consumer Protection (Cancellation of Contracts Concluded away from Business Premises) (Amendment) Regulations 1998 (S.I., 1998, No. 3050), dated 8th December 1998 [by Act] [Mr Secretary Mandelson].
5Defence,—Reserve Forces Act 1996 (Consequential Provisions etc.) Regulations 1998 (S.I., 1998, No. 3086), dated 10th December 1998 [by Act] [Mr Secretary Robertson].
6Education (Scotland),—Grants for Improvements in School Education (Scotland) Regulations 1998 (S.I., 1998, No. 3051), dated 2nd December 1998 [by Act] [Mr Secretary Dewar].
7Housing,—(1) Home Repair Assistance (Extension) Regulations 1998 (S.I., 1998, No. 2998), and
 
        (2) Housing (Right to Buy) (Limits on Discount) Order 1998 (S.I., 1998, No. 2997),
 
    dated 3rd December 1998 [by Act] [Mr Secretary Prescott].
8Income Tax,—Controlled Foreign Companies (Excluded Countries) Regulations 1998 (S.I., 1998, No. 3081), dated 9th December 1998 [by Act] [Dawn Primarolo].
9Magistrates' Courts,—(1) Justices' Clerks (Qualifications of Assistants) (Amendment) Rules 1998 (S.I., 1998, No. 3107), dated 10th December 1998, and
 
        (2) Magistrates' Courts Committees (Northumbria) Amalgamation (Amendment) Order 1998 (S.I., 1998, No. 3108), dated 8th December 1998
 
    [by Act] [Mr Geoffrey Hoon].
10Manufacturing Undertakings,—Industry Act 1975 (Prohibition and Vesting Order) Regulations 1998 (S.I., 1998, No. 3035), dated 5th December 1998 [by Act] [Mr Secretary Mandelson].
11Merchant Shipping,—Merchant Shipping (Registration of Ships) (Amendment) Regulations 1998 (S.I., 1998, No. 2976), dated 1st December 1998 [by Act] [Mr Secretary Prescott].
12National Health Service (Scotland),—National Health Service (Choice of Dental Practitioner) (Scotland) Amendment Regulations 1998 (S.I., 1998, No. 3052), dated 4th December 1998 [by Act] [Mr Secretary Dewar].
13Rating and Valuation,—Non-Domestic Rating Contributions (England) (Amendment) Regulations 1998 (S.I., 1998, No. 3038), dated 8th December 1998 [by Act] [Mr Secretary Prescott].
14Road Traffic,—(1) Motor Vehicles (Type Approval of Reduced Pollution Adaptations) Regulations 1998 (S.I., 1998, No. 3093), and
 
        (2) Vehicle Excise Duty (Reduced Pollution) Regulations 1998 (S.I., 1998, No. 3094),
 
    dated 9th December 1998 [by Act] [Mr Secretary Prescott].
15Telegraphs,—Wireless Telegraphy Appeal Tribunal Rules 1998 (S.I., 1998, No. 3036), dated 7th December 1998 [by Act] [Mr Secretary Mandelson].
16Universities of Oxford and Cambridge,—(1) Statute, dated 13th February 1998, made by the Governing Body of Magdalen College, Oxford, amending the Statutes of the College (primarily Statutes III and IV),
 
        (2) Statute, dated 13th February 1998, made by the Governing Body of Magdalen College, Oxford, amending the Statutes of the College (Statutes IV.14(1), IV.14(2), IV.14(3), IV.16(2) and IV.17(2)),
 
        (3) Statute, dated 13th February 1998, made by the Governing Body of Magdalen College, Oxford, amending the Statutes of the College (Statute IV.14(2)),
 
        (4) Statute, dated 13th February 1998, made by the Governing Body of Magdalen College, Oxford, amending the Statutes of the College (Statute VIII.1) and
 
        (5) Statute, dated 13th February 1998, made by the Governing Body of Magdalen College, Oxford, amending the Statutes of the College (Statute XI.2)
 
    [by Act] [Margaret Beckett].
Other Papers:
17Chronically Sick and Disabled Persons,—Statements by the Secretary of State for Health and the Secretary of State for Wales on Residential Care of Handicapped Persons under the age of 65 in England and Wales for 1997 [by Act]; to be printed [No. 46] [Mr Secretary Dobson].
18Coal Industry,—Report of the Office of the Subsidence Adviser for 1997-98 [by Act] [Mr Secretary Mandelson].
19Education,—Report and Accounts of the Qualifications, Curriculum and Assessment Authority for Wales for 1997-98, with the Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General thereon [by Act] [Mr Secretary Michael].
20Museums and Galleries,—Report and Accounts of the National Library of Wales for 1997-98, with the Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General thereon [by Command] [Mr Secretary Michael].
21National Audit,—Report by the Comptroller and Auditor General on the Flotation of Railtrack [by Act]; to be printed [No. 25] [Clerk of the House].
22Parliamentary Commissioner,—Second Report of the Parliamentary Ombudsman, Session 1998-99: Access to Official Information—Selected Cases April-October 1998 [by Act]; to be printed [No. 5] [Clerk of the House].
23Registration Service,—Birth Statistics: Review of the Registrar General on births and patterns of family building in England and Wales for 1997 [by Act] [Mr Chancellor of the Exchequer].
24Reserve Forces,—Change 2 to the Regulations for the Naval and Marine Reserve (BR 64) [by Act] [Mr Secretary Robertson].
25Smoking,—Paper, entitled Smoking Kills: a White Paper on Tobacco [by Command] [Cm. 4177] [Mr Secretary Dobson].
APPENDIX II
Committee of Selection
Road Traffic (NHS Charges) Bill,—The Committee of Selection has discharged Mr David Stewart from Standing Committee B (nominated in respect of the Bill); and nominated in substitution Mr Stephen Hesford.
APPENDIX III
Reports from Select Committees
1Education and Employment,—Minutes of Evidence taken before the Employment Sub-Committee of the Education and Employment Committee [TECs/RDAs and other lifelong learning issues]; to be printed [No. 97-i] [Mr Derek Foster].
2European Scrutiny,—Minutes of Evidence taken before the European Scrutiny Committee [1999 European Community Draft Budget]; to be printed [No. 98] [Mr Jimmy Hood].
3Foreign Affairs,—(1) First Report from the Foreign Affairs Committee [Foreign Policy and Human Rights]; with the Appendices to the Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee; to be printed, with the Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee relating to the Report [No. 100]; and
 
        (2) Memoranda laid before the Committee [Foreign Policy and Human Rights]
 
    [Mr Donald Anderson].
4Health,—Minutes of Evidence taken before the Health Committee [Future NHS Staffing Requirements]; to be printed [No. 38-ii] [Mr David Hinchliffe].


MEMORANDUM
Public Bills (Scotland),—In pursuance of paragraph (1) of Standing Order No. 97 (Scottish Grand Committee (bills in relation to their principle)), the Speaker certified that, in her opinion, the provisions of the Scottish Enterprise Bill relate exclusively to Scotland.



 
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