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House of Commons Votes and Proceedings
Monday 16th November 1998

The House met at half-past Two o'clock.
PRAYERS.
1Alliance & Leicester plc (Group Reorganisation) Bill [Lords],—The Order for second reading of the Alliance & Leicester plc (Group Reorganisation) Bill [Lords] to-morrow was read and discharged.
2Liaison,—Mr Robert Sheldon reported, pursuant to Standing Order No. 145 (Liaison Committee), That the Liaison Committee had directed him to report the following recommendations for the allocation of time for the consideration of Estimates on an allotted day (being the first allotted day in the next Session of Parliament):
 
    That a day not later than 6th February be allotted for the consideration of the following Votes on Account for the financial year 1999-2000:
 
          1. Class IV, Votes 1 and 2: Home Office administration, police, probation, immigration and other services, England and Wales, and Prisons, England and Wales, in so far as they relate to prison sentences and alternatives to prison sentences;
 
          2. Class I, Votes 1 and 3: Department for Education and Employment: programmes and central services and Employment Service and Class XII: Department of Social Security, insofar as they relate to New Deal Pathfinders and Pathways into Work for Lone Parents.
 
    and that debate on the first Estimate be interrupted not later than three hours after its commencement.
 
    Report to lie upon the Table.
3Scotland Bill (Lords Amendments) [2nd allotted day],—The House, according to Order, proceeded further to consider the Lords Amendments to the Scotland Bill.
 
        Lords Amendments Nos. 88 to 124, 130 to 214, 221 to 236 and 279 to 285 were agreed to, the Commons being willing to waive their privileges in respect of Lords Amendments Nos. 106, 112 and 151.
 
        Lords Amendment No. 286
 
        An Amendment ((a)) was made to the Lords Amendment.
 
        The Lords Amendment, so amended, was agreed to.
 
        Lords Amendments Nos. 287 to 302 were agreed to.
 
        Ordered, That a Committee be appointed to draw up a Reason to be assigned to the Lords for disagreeing to their Amendments Nos. 215 to 220.
 
        Ordered, That Mr. Desmond Browne, Mr Stephen Day, Mr Oliver Letwin, Mrs Anne McGuire and Mr Henry McLeish be Members of the Committee.
 
        Ordered, That Mr Henry McLeish be the Chairman of the Committee.
 
        Ordered, That three be the quorum of the Committee.
 
        Ordered, That the Committee do withdraw immediately.—(Mrs Ann McGuire.)
4Regional Development Agencies Bill [Ways and Means],—Resolved, That, for the purposes of any Act resulting from the Regional Development Agencies Bill, it is expedient to authorise the imposition of charges to corporation tax by provisions relating to the taxation of persons who are transferors or transferees in relation to schemes under the Act for the transfer of property, rights or liabilities.—(Mr Graham Allen.)
5Regional Development Agencies Bill (Lords Amendments),—The House, according to Order, proceeded to consider the Lords Amendments to the Regional Development Agencies Bill.
 
        Lords Amendments Nos. 1 to 7 agreed to, the Commons being willing to waive their privileges in respect of Lords Amendment No. 7.
6European Parliamentary Elections Bill (Lords Amendments),—The House according to Order, proceeded to consider the Lords Reason for insisting on their Amendments to which the Commons have disagreed and for disagreeing to the Commons Amendment in lieu.
 
        The Lords Reason for insisting on their Amendments in page 2, line 1, page 2, line 2, page 2, line 15, and page 2, line 18 and for disagreeing to the Commons Amendment in lieu, was read, as follows:
 
        Because electors should be able to vote for the individual party candidate of their choice, and this should not be conditional on the outcome of a review.
 
        A Motion was made, and the Question being proposed, That this House insists on its disagreement with the Lords in their Amendments but does not insist on its Amendment in lieu—(Mr Secretary Straw);
 
        And it being Ten o'clock, the Debate stood adjourned.
7Business of the House,—A Motion was made, and the Question being put forthwith, pursuant to Standing Order No. 15 (Exempted Business), That, at this day's sitting, the European Parliamentary Elections Bill may be proceeded with, though opposed, until any hour—(Mr Mike Hall):—It was agreed to.
8European Parliamentary Elections Bill,—The House again proceeded to consider the Lords Reason for insisting on their Amendments to which the Commons have disagreed and for disagreeing to the Commons Amendment in lieu.
 
        The House resumed the adjourned Debate on the Question, That this House insists on its disagreement with the Lords in their Amendments but does not insist on its Amendment in lieu.
 
        Question put.
 
        The House divided.
 
          Tellers for the Ayes, Mr David Hanson, Mr Clive Betts: 309.
 
          Tellers for the Noes, Mr John M. Taylor, Mr Tim Collins: 122.
 
        So the Question was agreed to.
 
        An Amendment was made to the Bill, in lieu of the Lords Amendments, in page 3, line 46, at the end, to insert
'Review of electoral system
 
        —(1) The Secretary of State shall appoint one or more persons—
 
          (a) to review , in accordance with subsection 2, the operation of the system of election provided for by section 3 of the European Parliamentary Elections Act 1978 as substituted by section 1 of this Act, and
 
          (b) to make a report to the Secretary of State within six months from the day of appointment.
 
        (2) the review shall consider, in particular, how the ability of electors to vote for particular persons on a party's list of candidates might affect the results of an election.
 
        (3) The Secretary of State shall carry out his duty under subsection (1) within one month from the date of the first general election to the European Parliament which takes place after the coming into force of section 1.
 
        (4) The Secretary of State shall lay a copy of any report received under subsection (1)(b) before each House of Parliament.'.—(Mr David Jamieson.)
9Broadcasting,—A Motion was made, and the Question being put forthwith, pursuant to Standing Order No. 118 (Standing Committees on Delegated Legislation), That the draft Channel 4 (Application of Excess Revenues) Order 1998, which was laid before this House on 19th October, be approved—(Mr David Jamieson):—It was agreed to.
10Legal Aid and Advice,—A Motion was made, and the Question being put forthwith, pursuant to Standing Order No. 118 (Standing Committees on Delegated Legislation), That the draft Legal Advice and Assistance (Scope) (Amendment) Regulations 1998, which were laid before this House on 19th October, be approved. —(Mr David Jamieson):—It was agreed to.
11Contracting Out,—A Motion was made, and the Question being put forthwith, pursuant to Standing Order No. 118 (Standing Committees on Delegated Legislation), That the draft Contracting Out (Functions in Relation to Insurance) Order 1998, which was laid before this House on 22nd October, be approved—(Mr David Jamieson):—It was agreed to.
12Agenda 2000: Financial Aspects,—A Motion was made, and the Question being put forthwith, pursuant to Standing Order No. 119 (European Standing Committees),That this House takes note of European Community Documents Nos. 7046/98, Commission Communication on the Establishment of a new Financial Perspective for the period 2000-2006; 7221/98, Commission report on the implementation of the Inter-institutional Agreement of 29th October 1993 on budgetary discipline and improvement of the budgetary procedure together with proposals for renewal; 9302 /98, the European Court of Auditors Special Report No. 6/98 on the Court's assessment of the system of resources based on VAT and GNP; and 11666/98, Commission report on the operation of the Own Resources system; and supports the Government's efforts to maintain budget discipline in the Community and to ensure the fair financing of the EU, reflecting Member States' ability to pay—(Mr David Jamieson):—It was agreed to.
13Business of the House,—Ordered, That, at the sitting on Tuesday 17th November, the Speaker shall put the Questions necessary to dispose of proceedings on the Motions in the name of Margaret Beckett relating to Scrutiny of European Business not later than one and a half hours after the commencement of proceedings on the first such Motion, and such Questions shall include the Questions on any amendments selected by the Speaker which may then be moved.—(Mr David Jamieson.)
14Liaison,—Ordered, That Mrs Margaret Hodge be discharged from the Liaison Committee and Mr Malcolm Wicks be added to the Committee.—(Mr David Jamieson).
15Scotland Bill,—Mr Henry McLeish reported from the Committee appointed to draw up a Reason to be assigned to the Lords for disagreeing to their Amendments Nos. 215 to 220 to the Scotland Bill, That it has drawn up the following Reason accordingly, which it had directed him to report to the House:
 
        The Commons disagree to Amendments Nos. 215 to 220 made by the Lords in page 57, line 5; in page 57, line 9; in page 57, lines 15 to 17; in page 57, lines 18 to 37; in page 57, lines 38 to 43; and in page 57, line 46, for the following Reason:
 
        Because the constituencies and regions for the purpose of elections to the Scottish Parliament should be a matter for Parliament.
 
        The Reason was agreed to.
 
        Message to the Lords to communicate the said Reason, with the Bill and Amendments.
16Adjournment,—Resolved, That this House do now adjourn.—(Mr David Jamieson.)
 
        And accordingly the House, having continued to sit till ten minutes to Eleven o'clock, adjourned till to-morrow.
[Adjourned at 10.50 p.m.
Betty Boothroyd
Speaker        

Madam Speaker will take the Chair at half-past Two o'clock.

APPENDIX I
Papers delivered to the Votes and Proceedings Office on Friday 13th November 1998 (Non-sitting Friday, pursuant to Order [22nd October]) pursuant to Standing Order No. 159 (Presentation of statutory instruments):
Papers subject to Negative Resolution:
1Broadcasting,—Limit in Relation to Provision of Digital Programme Services Order 1998 (S.I., 1998, No. 2770), dated 12th November 1998 [Mr Secretary Smith].
2Magistrates' Courts,—Magistrates' Courts Committees (West Yorkshire) Amalgamation Order 1998 (S.I., 1998, No. 2769), dated 11th November 1998 [Mr Geoffrey Hoon].
3Pensions,—Judicial Pensions (European Court of Human Rights) Order 1998 (S.I., 1998, No. 2768), dated 12th November 1998 [Mr Geoffrey Hoon].
Papers presented or laid upon the Table on Monday 16th November 1998:
Papers subject to Affirmative Resolution:
4Prisons,—Draft Northern Ireland (Sentences) Act 1998 (Specified Organisations) (No. 2) Order 1998 [by Act] [Secretary Marjorie Mowlam].
Papers subject to Negative Resolution:
5Education,—Education (Schools and Further Education) (Amendment) Regulations 1998 (S.I., 1998, No. 2792), dated 12th November 1998 [by Act] [Mr Secretary Blunkett].
6Family Law,—Child Support (Miscellaneous Amendments) (No. 2) Regulations 1998 (S.I., 1998, No. 2799), dated 16th November 1998 [by Act] [Mr Secretary Darling].
7National Health Service,—Bethlem and Maudsley National Health Service Trust (Transfer of Trust Property) Order 1998 (S.I., 1998, No. 2790), dated 12th November 1998 [by Act] [Mr Secretary Dobson].
8National Health Service (Scotland),—National Health Service (Travelling Expenses and Remission of Charges) (Scotland) Amendment Regulations 1998 (S.I., 1998, No. 2772), dated 6th November 1998 [by Act] [Mr Secretary Dewar].
Other Papers:
9Agricultural Marketing,—Report and Accounts of Food from Britain for 1997-98 [by Act] [Mr Nicholas Brown].
10Environmental Audit,—Government Response to the Second Report from the Environmental Audit Committee, Session 1997-98, on The Greening Government Initiative [by Command] [Cm. 4108] [Mr Secretary Prescott].
11National Lottery,—Report and Accounts of the Arts Council of Northern Ireland National Lottery Fund for 1997-98, with the Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General thereon [by Act] [Mr Secretary Smith].
12Public Petitions,—Observations by the Secretary of State for Defence on the Petition [19th October] from residents of East Gomeldon, the Winterbournes and others for the clearance of buried ordnance [by Standing Order]; to be printed [Clerk of the House].
APPENDIX II
Standing Committees
1Draft Civil Procedure (Modification of Enactments) Order 1998,—The Committee of Selection has discharged from the Third Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation Ms Joan Ruddock (nominated in respect of the draft Order); and nominated in substitution Alice Mahon.
2Education (Infant Class Sizes) (England) Regulations 1998 (S.I., 1998, No. 1973),—The Committee of Selection has discharged from the Eighth Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation Valerie Davey (nominated in respect of the draft Order); and nominated in substitution Caroline Flint.
APPENDIX III
Reports from Select Committees
Public Accounts,—Part of the Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee of Public Accounts on Monday 16th November [The Forensic Science Service]; to be printed [No. 1186-i] [Mr David Davis].



 
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