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House of Commons Votes and Proceedings
Tuesday 28th July 1998

The House met at half-past Two o'clock.
PRAYERS.
1Tamar Bridge Bill,—The House proceeded to consider the Lords Amendments to the Tamar Bridge Bill; and the same were agreed to.
2Deregulation Committee,—Mr Peter L. Pike reported from the Deregulation Committee the following Resolutions:
 
        That, in respect of the proposal for the Deregulation (Weights and Measures) Order 1998, which was laid before this House on 1st June, the proposal should be amended before a draft Order is laid before the House.
 
        That, in respect of the proposal for the Deregulation (Pipe-lines) Order 1998, which was laid before this House on 15th June, the proposal should be amended before a draft Order is laid before the House.
3Sixth Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation,—Mr Andrew Welsh reported from the Sixth Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation the Economic and Fiscal Strategy Report 1998 and Comprehensive Spending Review for the purposes of section 5 of the European Communities (Amendment) Act 1993.
 
        Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee to lie upon the Table.
4Ninth Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation,—Mr George Stevenson reported from the Ninth Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation the draft Conditional Fee Agreements Order 1998.
 
        Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee to lie upon the Table.
5Tenth Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation,—Mr Peter Atkinson reported from the Tenth Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation the draft Education (Student Loans) (Scotland) Regulations 1998 and the draft Education (Student Support) Regulations 1998.
 
        Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee to lie upon the Table.
6Organ Donation,—Ordered, That leave be given to bring in a Bill to provide that the organs of potential donors are available for transplant on death unless the potential donor has previously indicated a wish to the contrary: And that Dr Evan Harris, Norman Baker, Mr Gerald Bermingham, Mr Bill Michie, Mr Alan Simpson, and Mr Graham Stringer do prepare and bring it in.
7Organ Donation Bill,—Dr Evan Harris accordingly presented a Bill to provide that the organs of potential donors are available for transplant on death unless the potential donor has previously indicated a wish to the contrary: And the same was read the first time; and ordered to be read a second time on Friday 23rd October and to be printed [Bill 242].
8Northern Ireland (Sentences) Bill,—The House, according to Order, proceeded to consider the Lords Amendments to the Northern Ireland (Sentences) Bill.
 
        Lords Amendments Nos. 1 to 24 were agreed to.
9Crime and Disorder Bill [Lords],—The House, according to Order, proceeded to consider the Reasons assigned by the Lords for disagreeing to certain of the Amendments made by this House to the Crime and Disorder Bill [Lords].
 
        Lords Reason for disagreeing to a Commons Amendment to insert a Clause (Reduction in age at which certain sexual acts are lawful) after Clause No. 32 (No. 14) considered:—
 
        Resolved, That this House does not insist upon its Amendment.—(Mr Secretary Straw.)
 
        Lords Reason for disagreeing to a Commons Amendment in page 87, line 5 (No. 98) considered:—
 
        Resolved, That this House does not insist upon its Amendment.—(Mr Secretary Straw.)
 
        Lords Reason for disagreeing to a Commons Amendment in page 87, line 20 (No. 107) considered:—
 
        Resolved, That this House does not insist upon its Amendment.—(Mr Secretary Straw.)
 
        Lords Reason for disagreeing to another Commons Amendment in page 87, line 20 (No. 108) considered:—
 
        Resolved, That this House does not insist upon its Amendment.—(Mr Secretary Straw.)
 
        Lords Reason for disagreeing to a Commons Amendment in page 126, line 19 (No. 140) considered:—
 
        Resolved, That this House does not insist upon its Amendment.—(Mr Secretary Straw.)
 
        Lords Reason for disagreeing to a Commons Amendment in the Title, line 5 (No. 237) considered:—
 
        Resolved, That this House does not insist upon its Amendment.—(Mr Secretary Straw.)
 
        Title accordingly amended as follows:
 
        An Act to make provision for preventing crime and disorder; to create certain racially-aggravated offences; to abolish the rebuttable presumption that a child is doli incapax and to make provision as to the effect of a child's failure to give evidence at his trial; to abolish the death penalty for treason and piracy; to make changes to the criminal justice system; to make further provision for dealing with offenders; to make further provision with respect to remands and committals for trial and the release and recall of prisoners; to amend Chapter I of Part II of the Crime (Sentences) Act 1997 and to repeal Chapter I of Part III of the Crime and Punishment (Scotland) Act 1997; to make amendments designed to facilitate, or otherwise desirable in connection with, the consolidation of certain enactments; and for connected purposes.
10Royal Assent,—The Deputy Speaker notified the House, in accordance with the Royal Assent Act 1967, That Her Majesty had signified her Royal Assent to the following Acts, agreed upon by both Houses:
 
        Landmines Act 1998
 
        Private Hire Vehicles (London) Act 1998
 
        Northern Ireland (Sentences) Act 1998
 
        City of Edinburgh (Guided Busways) Act 1998
 
        Tamar Bridge Act 1998.
11National Minimum Wage Bill,—The House, according to Order, proceeded to consider the Lords Amendments to the National Minimum Wage Bill.
 
        Lords Amendment No. 1.
 
        A Motion was made, and the Question being put, That this House disagrees with the Lords in the said Amendment—(Mr Ian McCartney);
 
        The House divided.
 
          Tellers for the Ayes, Mr Clive Betts, Mr Robert Ainsworth: 308.
 
          Tellers for the Noes, Mrs Caroline Spelman, Mr Tim Collins: 121.
 
        So the Question was agreed to.
 
        The Lords Amendment was accordingly disagreed to.
 
        And it being after Seven o'clock, and there being Private Business set down by direction of the Chairman of Ways and Means under Standing Order No. 20 (Time for taking private business), further proceedings stood postponed.
12Lloyds TSB Bill [Lords],—The Lloyds TSB Bill [Lords] was read the third time and passed, without Amendment.
13National Minimum Wage Bill,—The House resumed the postponed proceedings on the Lords Amendments to the National Minimum Wage Bill.
 
        Lords Amendments Nos. 2 to 4 were agreed to.
 
        Lords Amendment No. 5 was disagreed to.
 
        Lords Amendment No. 6 was disagreed to.
 
        Lords Amendment No. 7 was disagreed to.
 
        Lords Amendments Nos. 8 to 16 were agreed to.
 
        Lords Amendment No. 17.
 
        A Motion was made, and the Question being proposed, That this House agrees with the Lords in their Amendment—(Mr Ian McCartney);
 
        And it being Ten o'clock the Debate stood adjourned.
14Business of the House,—A Motion was made, and the Question being put forthwith, pursuant to Standing Order No. 15 (Exempted business), That, at this day's sitting, the National Minimum Wage Bill may be proceeded with, though opposed, until any hour—(Bridget Prentice):—It was agreed to.
15National Minimum Wage Bill,—The House again proceeded to consider the Lords Amendments to the National Minimum Wage Bill.
 
        Question again proposed, That this House agrees with the Lords in their Amendment (No. 17).
 
        Question put and agreed to.
 
        Lords Amendments Nos. 18 to 25 agreed to.
 
        Amendment ( (a) ), consequential to Lords Amendment No. 25, was made to the Bill.
 
        Lords Amendments Nos. 26 to 36 agreed to.
 
        Ordered, That a Committee be appointed to draw up reasons to be assigned to the Lords for disagreeing to their Amendments Nos. 1, 5, 6 and 7.
 
        Ordered, That Mr Clive Betts, Mr Tim Boswell, Mr Tim Collins, Mr Frank Doran and Mr Ian McCartney be members of the Committee.
 
        Ordered, That Mr Ian McCartney be the Chairman of the Committee.
 
        Ordered, That three be the quorum of the Committee.
 
        Ordered, That the Committee do withdraw immediately.
16National Minimum Wage Bill,—Mr Ian McCartney reported from the Committee appointed to draw up Reasons to be assigned to the Lords for disagreeing to certain of their Amendments to the National Minimum Wage Bill, That it had drawn up the following Reasons, which it had directed him to report to the House.
 
        The Commons disagree to the amendment made by the Lords after Clause 1 for the following Reason:—
 
        Because the Commons consider that the national minimum wage should, so far as reasonably practicable, be uniform for all workers in the United Kingdom and that it is not appropriate to make different provision for different areas, sectors of employment, trades or industries, sizes of undertaking, occupations, or ages over 26.
 
        The Commons disagree to the amendments made by the Lords in page 2, line 34, in page 3, line 4 and in page 3, line 18 for the following Reason:—
 
        Because these Amendments are consequential on Lords Amendment No. 1 to which the Commons have disagreed.
 
        The Reasons were agreed to.
 
        Message to the Lords to communicate the said Reasons with the Bill and an Amendment.
17Public Petitions,—A Public Petition from the family and friends of Nick Centi, and others, for measures to improve the safety of city centres and to reduce violent crime, was presented and read; and ordered to lie upon the Table and to be printed.
18Adjournment,—A Motion was made, and the Question being proposed, That this House do now adjourn—(Mr David Jamieson);
 
        And the Motion having been made after Ten o'clock, and the Debate having continued for half an hour, the Deputy Speaker adjourned the House, without Question put, pursuant to the Standing Order, it being then one minute past Eleven o'clock, till to-morrow.
[Adjourned at 11.01 p.m.
Betty Boothroyd
Speaker        

Madam Speaker will take the Chair at half-past Nine o'clock.

APPENDIX I
Papers presented or laid upon the Table:
Papers subject to Affirmative Resolution:
1Prisons,—Draft Northern Ireland (Sentences) Act 1998 (Specified Organisations) Order 1998 [by Act] [Secretary Marjorie Mowlam].
Papers subject to Negative Resolution:
2Education,—Education (Individual Performance Information) (Identification of Individual Pupils) Regulations 1998 (S.I., 1998, No. 1834), dated 23rd July 1998 [by Act] [Mr Secretary Blunkett].
Other Papers:
3Agriculture, Fisheries and Food Executive Agencies,—Reports and Accounts of the:
 
        (1) Central Science Laboratory,
 
        (2) Meat Hygiene Service,
 
        (3) Pesticides Safety Directorate, and
 
        (4) Veterinary Medicines Directorate
 
    for 1997-98, with the Reports of the Comptroller and Auditor General thereon [by Act]; to be printed [Nos. 874, 798, 947 and 814] [Mr Nicholas Brown].
4Armed Forces Pay,—Supplement to the Twenty-seventh Report of the Review Body on Armed Forces Pay: Service Medical and Dental Officers [by Command] [Cm. 3942] [The Prime Minister].
5Church Commissioners,—Report and Accounts of the Church Commissioners for 1997 [by Measure] [Mr Secretary Straw].
6Coal Industry,—Report and Accounts of the Coal Authority for 1997-98, with the Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General thereon [by Act] [by Mr Secretary Mandelson].
7Development of Tourism,—Report and Summary Financial Statement of the Wales Tourist Board for 1997-98, with the Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General thereon [by Act] [Mr Secretary Davies].
8Environment,—Report and Accounts of the Environment Agency for 1997-98 [by Act] [Mr Secretary Prescott].
9Environment, Transport and the Regions Executive Agencies,—Report and Accounts of the Planning Inspectorate Executive Agency for 1997-98, with the Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General thereon [by Act]; to be printed [No. 1024] [Mr Secretary Prescott].
10Government Trading Funds,—Report and Accounts of Registers of Scotland for 1997-98, with the Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General thereon [by Act]; to be printed [No. 817] [Clerk of the House].
11Health and Social Services (Northern Ireland),—Summary of Health and Personal Social Services and Northern Ireland Health Promotion Agency Accounts for 1996-97, with the Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General for Northern Ireland thereon [by Command] [Cm. 4009] [Secretary Marjorie Mowlam].
12Prisons (Northern Ireland),—Report of the Northern Ireland Prison Service for 1997-98 [by Act]; to be printed [No. 999] [Secretary Marjorie Mowlam].
13Public Petitions,—Observations by the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs on the Petition [11th November] from the Skipton Support Group for East Timor for an immediate embargo on military aid to Indonesia [by Standing Order]; to be printed [Clerk of the House].
14Public Works Loans,—Report of the Public Works Loan Board for 1997-98 [by Act] [Mrs Helen Liddell].
15Sports Councils,—(1) Accounts of the United Kingdom Sports Council, and
 
        (2) Consolidated Accounts of the English Sports Council and English Sports Council Group
 
        for 1997-98, with the Reports of the Comptroller and Auditor General thereon [by Command] [Mr Secretary Smith].
APPENDIX II
Reports from Select Committees
1Deregulation,—Ninth Report from the Deregulation Committee [Proposal for the Deregulation (Weights and Measures) Order 1998, together with Proposal for the Deregulation (Pipe-lines) Order 1998]; to be printed, with the Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee relating to the Report [No. 939] [Mr Peter L. Pike].
2Education and Employment,—(1) Eighth Report from the Education and Employment Committee [The New Deal Pathfinders]; to be printed, with the Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee relating to the Report [No. 1059];
 
        (2) Memoranda laid before the Committee [The New Deal/The New Deal Pathfinders]; to be printed [No. 263-III]; and
 
        (3) Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee on 28th July [Access for All?]; to be printed [No. 1060-i]
 
    [Mr Derek Foster].
3Environment, Transport and Regional Affairs,—Twelfth Report from the Environment, Transport and Regional Affairs Committee [Departmental Annual Report 1998 and Expenditure Plans 1998-99], together with Appendices to the Minutes of Evidence taken before the Evironment Sub-Committee and the Transport Sub-Committee; to be printed, with the Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee relating to the Report [No. 844] [Mrs Gwyneth Dunwoody].
4Foreign Affairs,—Minutes of Evidence taken before the Foreign Affairs Committee on 28th July [Sierra Leone]; to be printed [No. 1057-i] [Mr Donald Anderson].
5Home Affairs,—Second Report from the Home Affairs Committee [Confidentiality of Police Settlements of Civil Claims], together with Appendices to the Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee; to be printed, with the Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee relating to the Report [No. 894];
 
        (2) Third Report from the Committee [Alternatives to Prison Sentences], together with Appendices to the Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee; to be printed, with the Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee relating to the Report [No. 486];
 
        (3) Memoranda laid before the Committee [Home Office and Lord Chancellor's Department Annual Reports]; to be printed [No. 1063]; and
 
        (4) Memoranda laid before the Committee [Confidentiality of Police Settlements of Civil Claims and Alternatives to Prison Sentences]
 
    [Mr Chris Mullin].
6International Development,—(1) Sixth Report from the International Development Committee [Montserrat—Further Developments]; to be printed, with the Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee relating to the Report [No. 726]; and
 
        (2) Third Special Report from the Committee [Government Response to the Third Report from the Committee, Debt Relief]; to be printed [No. 1056]
 
    [Mr Bowen Wells].
7Procedure,—Minutes of Evidence taken before the Procedure Committee on 28th July [Financial Procedure]; to be printed [No. 848-iii] [Mr Nicholas Winterton].
8Public Administration,—(1) Fifth Special Report from the Select Committee on Public Administration [Government Response to the Second Report of the Select Committee on Public Administration, on the Report of the Health Service Ombudsman for 1996-97]; to be printed [No. 1055]; and
 
        (2) Minutes of Evidence taken before the Select Committee on Public Administration on 28th July [Report of the Health Service Ombudsman for 1997-98]; to be printed [No. 934-ii]
 
    [Mr Rhodri Morgan].
9Science and Technology,—(1) Fourth Report from the Science and Technology Committee [The Cloning of Animals from Adult Cells], together with Appendices; to be printed, with the Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee relating to the Report [No. 1039];
 
        (2) Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee on 28th July [British Biotech plc]; to be printed [No. 888-iii]; and
 
        (3) Memoranda laid before the Committee [British Biotech plc]
 
    [Dr Michael Clark].
10Statutory Instruments,—Forty-Third Report from the Joint Committee on Statutory Instruments, together with Memoranda laid before the Committee; to be printed [No. 33-xliii] [Mr David Tredinnick].
11Welsh Affairs,—Minutes of Evidence taken before the Welsh Affairs Committee on 28th July [NHS (Wales) Summarised Accounts 1996-97]; to be printed [No. 1054] [Mr Martyn Jones].



 
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