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House of Commons Votes and Proceedings
Thursday 23rd July 1998

The House met at half-past Two o'clock.
PRAYERS.
1Alliance & Leicester plc (Group Reorganisation) Bill [Lords],—The Order of the day being read, for the Second Reading of the Alliance & Leicester plc (Group Reorganisation) Bill [Lords]:
 
        Ordered, That the Bill be read a second time on Thursday 30th July.
2Fifth Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation,—Mr Roger Gale reported from the Fifth Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation the draft International Monetary Fund (Increase in Subscription) Order 1998.
 
        Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee to lie upon the Table.
3Sixth Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation,—Mr Frank Cook reported from the Sixth Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation the draft Special Immigration Appeals Commission (Procedure) Rules 1998.
 
        Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee to lie upon the Table.
4Message from the Lords,—A Message was brought from the Lords, as follows:
 
        The Lords have agreed to the Police (Northern Ireland) Bill, without Amendment.
 
        The Lords have agreed to the Tamar Bridge Bill, with Amendments, to which they desire the concurrence of this House.
 
        The Lords have agreed to certain of the Amendments made by this House to the Crime and Disorder Bill [Lords] and they disagree to the remaining Amendments made by this House, for which disagreement they assign their Reasons.
5Crime and Disorder Bill [Lords],—Lords Amendments to the Crime and Disorder Bill [Lords] to be considered to-morrow; and to be printed [Bill 239].
6Community Reinvestment Disclosure Bill,—Ordered, That the Community Reinvestment Disclosure Bill be read a second time on Friday 6th November.
7Northern Ireland Bill (Committee) [2nd allotted day],—The House, according to Order, again resolved itself into a Committee on the Northern Ireland Bill.
 
(In the Committee)
 
        Clause No. 23 (Exclusion of Ministers from office).
 
        Amendment (No. 15) proposed, in page 11, to leave out lines 28 and 29 and to insert the words—
 
        '( ) because he is not committed to the use now and in the future of only democratic and peaceful means;
 
        ( ) because he is involved in acts of violence or of preparation for violence;
 
        ( ) because he is directing, assisting or promoting acts of violence committed or planned by other people;
 
        ( ) because he is not committed to the toal disarmament of all paramilitary organisations and the achievement of the decommissioning of all paramilitary arms, by 22nd May 2000;
 
        ( ) because he is not co-operating fully with any Commission of the kind referred to in section 7 of the Northern Ireland Arms Decommissioning Act 1997 in the implementation of the agreement reached at multi-party talks on Northern Ireland set out in Command Paper 3883;'.—(Mr Andrew MacKay.)
 
        Question put, That the Amendment be made.
 
        The House divided.
 
          Tellers for the Ayes, Mr Oliver Heald, Mr Tim Collins: 144.
 
          Tellers for the Noes, Mr John McFall, Mr David Jamieson: 22.
 
        It being after Seven o'clock, the Chairman, pursuant to Order [17th July], put the Question necessary for the disposal of business then required to be concluded.
 
        Clause (No. 23) agreed to.
 
        Clause No. 14 (First Minister and deputy First Minister).
 
        Amendment (No. 71) proposed, in page 7, to leave out lines 13 and 14.—(Mr Peter Robinson.)
 
        Question proposed, That the Amendment be made:—Amendment, by leave, withdrawn.
 
        Clause (No. 14) agreed to.
 
        Schedule No. 5 agreed to.
 
        Clause No. 15 (Northern Ireland Ministers).
 
        Amendment (No. 144) proposed, in page 7, line 41, to leave out from the first 'the' to the end of line 42 and insert the word 'Assembly'.—(Mr David Trimble.)
 
        Question proposed, That the Amendment be made:—Amendment, by leave, withdrawn.
 
        Another Amendment (No. 163) proposed, in page 8, line 31, at the end, to insert the words—
 
        '(9A) If the number of seats in the Assembly which are held by members of one or more political party, reduce or increase, for any reason to such an extent that it alters the number of Ministerial offices entitled to be held by a party, then the procedure set out in subsections (4) to (9) shall be reapplied.'.—(Mr Peter Robinson.)
 
        Question proposed, That the Amendment be made:—Amendment, by leave, withdrawn.
 
        Clause (No. 15) agreed to.
 
        Clause No. 16 (The Executive Committee).
 
        Amendment (No. 76) proposed, in page 9, line 16, to leave out the word 'chairmen' and insert the words 'chairman and deputy chairman'.—(Mr Peter Robinson.)
 
        Question proposed, That the Amendment be made:—Amendment, by leave, withdrawn.
 
        Clause (No. 16) agreed to.
 
        Clauses Nos. 17 to 19 agreed to.
 
        Clause No. 20 (International obligations).
 
        Amendment (No. 148) proposed, in page 10, to leave out lines 12 to 15.—(Mr David Trimble.)
 
        Question proposed, That the Amendment be made:—Amendment, by leave, withdrawn.
 
        Clause (No. 20) agreed to.
 
        Clause No. 21 (Agency arrangements between UK and NI departments).
 
        Amendment (No. 13) proposed, in page 10, line 31, at end to add the words—
 
        '(5) Arrangements under this section between the Government of the United Kingdom and a Northern Ireland department shall be known as concordats.
 
        (6) The Government of the United Kingdom shall not enter into a concordat unless a draft of the concordat has been laid before, and approved by a resolution of, each House of Parliament.
 
        (7) Northern Ireland departments shall not enter into a concordat unless a draft of the concordat has been approved by the Assembly, by such procedure as standing orders may determine.'.—(Mr Dominic Grieve.)
 
        Question proposed, That the Amendment be made:—Amendment, by leave, withdrawn.
 
        Clause (No. 21) agreed to.
 
        Clause No. 22 (Statutory Committees).
 
        Amendment (No. 14) proposed, in page 11, line 2, at the end, to insert the words ', except that the chairman shall not be a member of the same party as the Northern Ireland Minister being advised and assisted by the statutory committee.'.—(Mr Malcolm Moss.)
 
        Question proposed, That the Amendment be made:—Amendment, by leave, withdrawn.
 
        Clause (No. 22) agreed to.
 
        To report progress and ask leave to sit again—(Mr Jim Dowd.)


 
        The Deputy Speaker resumed the Chair, and Mr Jim Dowd reported, That the Committee had made progress in the Bill and moved, That the Committee may have leave to sit again.
 
        Committee again tomorrow.
8Road Traffic,—A Motion was made and the Question being put forthwith, pursuant to Standing Order No. 118 (Standing Committees on Delegated Legislation), That the draft Community Drivers' Hours and Recording Equipment (Amendment) Regulations 1998, which were laid before this House on 22nd June, be approved—(Mr Jim Dowd):—It was agreed to.
9Animals,—A Motion was made and the Question being put forthwith, pursuant to Standing Order No. 118 (Standing Committees on Delegated Legislation), That the draft Animals (Scientific Procedures) Act 1986 (Amendment) Regulations 1998, which were laid before this House on 25th June, be approved—(Mr Jim Dowd):—It was agreed to.
10Roads and Bridges (Scotland),—A Motion was made and the Question being put forthwith, pursuant to Standing Order No. 118 (Standing Committees on Delegated Legislation), That the draft Security for Private Road Works (Scotland) Amendment Regulations 1998, which were laid before this House on 30th June, be approved—(Mr Jim Dowd):—It was agreed to.
11Social Security,—A Motion was made and the Question being put forthwith, pursuant to Standing Order No. 118 (Standing Committees on Delegated Legislation), That the draft Pneumoconiosis etc. (Worker's Compensation) (Payment of Claims) Amendment Regulations 1998, which were laid before this House on 2nd July, be approved—(Mr Jim Dowd):—It was agreed to.
12Adjournment,—Resolved, That this House do now adjourn.—(Mr Jim Dowd.)
 
        And accordingly the House, having continued to sit till nine minutes to Ten o'clock adjourned till to-morrow.
[Adjourned at 9.51 p.m.
Betty Boothroyd
Speaker        

Madam Speaker will take the Chair at half-past Nine o'clock.

APPENDIX I
Papers presented or laid upon the Table:
Papers subject to Affirmative Resolution:
1Northern Ireland,—Draft Health and Safety at Work (Amendment) (Northern Ireland) Order 1998 [by Act] [Secretary Marjorie Mowlam].
Papers subject to Negative Resolution:
2Criminal Law (Scotland),—Restriction of Liberty Order (Scotland) Regulations 1998 (S.I., 1998, No. 1802), dated 17th July 1998 [by Act] [Mr Secretary Dewar].
3Forestry,—Environmental Assessment (Forestry) Regulations 1998 (S.I., 1998, No. 1731), dated 21st July 1998 [by Act] [Mr Secretary Dewar].
Other Papers:
4British Council,—Report and Accounts of the British Council for 1997-98, with the Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General thereon [by Command] [Mr Secretary Cook].
5Culture, Media and Sport Executive Agencies,—Reports and Accounts of—
 
        (1) Historic Royal Palaces, and
 
        (2) Royal Parks Agency
 
    for 1997-98, with the Reports of the Comptroller and Auditor General thereon [by Act]; to be printed [Nos. 955 and 850] [Mr Secretary Smith].
6Defence,—Ministry of Defence Minute concerning a contingent liability in relation to the Navy, Army and Air Force Institutes (NAAFI) [by Command] [Mr Secretary Robertson].
7Defence Executive Agencies,—Reports and Accounts of—
 
        (1) Pay and Personnel Agency,
 
        (2) Queen Victoria School, and
 
        (3) Royal Air Force Personnel Management Agency
 
    for 1997-98, with the Reports of the Comptroller and Auditor General thereon [by Act]; to be printed [Nos. 886, 906 and 924] [Mr Secretary Robertson].
8Development of Tourism,—Accounts of the British Tourist Authority for 1997-98, with the Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General thereon [by Act]; to be printed [No. 1033] [Clerk of the House].
9Education and Employment Executive Agencies,—Report and Accounts of the Employment Service for 1997-98, with the Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General thereon [by Act]; to be printed [No. 970] [Mr Secretary Blunkett].
10Environmental Protection,—Accounts of the Countryside Council for Wales for 1997-98, with the Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General thereon [by Act]; to be printed [No. 1035] [Clerk of the House].
11European Communities,—Report by the Department of Trade and Industry on the exercise of powers conferred by certain sections of the European Communities Act 1972 and the Customs and Excise (General Reliefs) Act 1979, for 1997-98 [by Act]; to be printed [No. 1001] [Secretary Margaret Beckett].
12Firearms,—Report of the Firearms Consultative Committee for 1997-98 [by Act]; to be printed [No. 977] [Mr Secretary Straw].
13Foreign and Commonwealth Office Executive Agencies,—Report and Accounts of the Wilton Park Executive Agency for 1997-98, with the Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General thereon [by Act]; to be printed [No. 1000] [Mr Secretary Cook].
14Government Trading Funds,—Reports and Accounts of—
 
        (1) Driving Standards Agency,
 
        (2) Medicines Control Agency, and
 
        (3) Vehicle Inspectorate
 
    for 1997-98, with the Reports of the Comptroller and Auditor General thereon [by Act]; to be printed [Nos. 819, 841 and 891] [Clerk of the House].
15Health Executive Agencies,—Report and Accounts of the National Health Service Estates Management and Health Building Agency (NHS Estates) for 1997-98, with the Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General thereon [by Act]; to be printed [No. 929] [Mr Secretary Dobson].
16Home Office Executive Agencies,—Report and Accounts of the Forensic Science Service for 1997-98, with the Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General thereon [by Act]; to be printed [No. 878] [Mr Secretary Straw].
17Housing,—Annual Review and Accounts of the Housing Corporation for 1997-98 [by Act] [Mr Secretary Prescott].
18Intelligence Services,—Report of the Intelligence Services Commissioner for 1997 [by Command] [Cm. 3975] [The Prime Minister].
19Interception of Communications,—Report of the Interception of Communications Commissioner for 1997 [by Command] [Cm. 4001] [The Prime Minister].
20Local Government, Planning and Land,—Accounts of the Land Authority for Wales for 1997-98, with the Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General thereon [by Act]; to be printed [No. 1034] [Clerk of the House].
21Museums and Galleries,—Report of the National Gallery for 1997-98 [by Act] [Mr Secretary Smith].
22National Lottery,—(1) Accounts of the Scottish Arts Council National Lottery Distribution Fund for 1997-98, with the Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General thereon [by Act]; to be printed [No. 1036] [Clerk of the House]; and
 
        (2) Report of the Arts Council of England on the National Lottery for 1997-98 [by Act] [Mr Secretary Smith].
23Northern Ireland Executive Agencies,—Reports and Accounts of—
 
        (1) Driver and Vehicle Licensing Northern Ireland,
 
        (2) Industrial Research and Technology Unit, and
 
        (3) Valuation and Lands Agency
 
    for 1997-98, with the Reports of the Comptroller and Auditor General for Northern Ireland thereon [by Act]; to be printed [Nos. 881, 912, and 896]; and
 
        (4) Accounts of the Public Record Office of Northern Ireland for 1997-98, with the Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General for Northern Ireland thereon [by Act]; to be printed [No. 1003] [Secretary Marjorie Mowlam].
24Prosecution of Offences,—Report of the Crown Prosecution Service for 1997-98 [by Act]; to be printed [No. 839] [Mr Attorney General].
25Public Health,—Food Protection (Emergency Prohibitions) (Paralytic Shellfish Poisoning) Order 1998 Partial Revocation Order 1998 (S.I., 1998, No. 1801), dated 22nd July 1998 [by Act] [Mr Secretary Dewar].
26Scottish Office Executive Agencies,—Reports and Accounts of—
 
        (1) Scottish Agricultural Science Agency, and
 
        (2) Scottish Office Pensions Agency,
 
    for 1997-98, with the Reports of the Comptroller and Auditor General thereon [by Act]; to be printed [Nos. 925 and 926] [Mr Secretary Dewar].
27Security Service,—Report of the Security Service Commissioner for 1997 [by Command] [Cm. 4002] [The Prime Minister].
28Social Security,—Government Response to the Fourth Report from the Social Security Committee, Session 1997-98, on Disability Living Allowance [by Command] [Cm. 4007] [Secretary Harriet Harman].
29Statutory Instruments (Notification),—Communication declaring that the undermentioned Statutory Instrument had come into operation before copies were laid before Parliament, and explaining why such copies had not been so laid before the Instrument came into operation:
 
        Food Protection (Emergency Prohibitions) (Paralytic Shellfish Poisoning) Order 1998 Partial Revocation Order 1998 (S.I., 1998, No. 1801)
 
    [by Standing Order] [The Speaker].
30Trade and Industry Executive Agencies,—Report and Accounts of the Radiocommunications Agency for 1997-98, with the Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General thereon [by Act]; to be printed [No. 887] [Secretary Margaret Beckett].
Papers withdrawn:
31Northern Ireland,—Draft Health and Safety at Work (Amendment) (Northern Ireland) Order 1998 [laid 9th July].
APPENDIX II
Reports from Select Committees
1Culture, Media and Sport,—(1) Sixth Report from the Culture, Media and Sport Committee [Not Only the Dome: The Millennium Celebrations in the United Kingdom], together with Appendices to the Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee; to be printed, with the Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee relating to the Report [No. 818]; and
 
        (2) Memoranda laid before the Culture, Media and Sport Committee [The Millennium Celebrations in the United Kingdom]
 
    [Mr Gerald Kaufman].
2Defence,—(1) Minutes of Evidence taken before the Defence Committee on 23rd July [Strategic Defence Review]; to be printed [No 138-xxii] [Mr Bruce George]; and
 
        (2) Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee on 23rd July [Strategic Defence Review]; to be printed [No. 138-xxiii] [Mr Michael Colvin].
3Education and Employment,—(1) Minutes of Evidence taken before the Employment Sub-Committee of the Education and Employment Committee on 23rd July [The Performance and Future Role of the Employment Service]; to be printed [No 904-ii]; and
 
        (2) Memoranda laid before the Sub-Committee [Part-time Working; The Performance and Future Role of the Employment Service]
 
    [Mr Derek Foster].
4Environmental Audit,—Minutes of Evidence taken before the Environmental Audit Committee on 23rd July [Energy and the Environment]; to be printed [No. 1038-i] [Mr John Horam].
5Health,—(1) Third Report from the Health Committee [The Welfare of Former British Child Migrants], together with Appendices to the Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee; to be printed, with the Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee relating to the Report [No. 755]; and
 
        (2) Memoranda laid before the Health Committee [The Welfare of Former British Child Migrants]
 
    [Mr David Hinchliffe].
6Welsh Affairs,—Minutes of Evidence taken before the Welsh Affairs Committee on 23rd July [Investment in Industry in Wales]; to be printed [No. 821-v] [Mr Martyn Jones].


CORRIGENDUM
 
        In the Votes and Proceedings for Wednesday 22nd July 1998, in Appendix III, item 3, paragraph 1 should have read as follows:
 
        Tenth Report from the Environment, Transport and Regional Affairs Committee [Housing], together with Appendices to the Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee; to be printed, with the Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee relating to the Report [No. 495-I]; and



 
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