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House of Commons Votes and Proceedings
Monday 13th July 1998

The House met at half-past Two o'clock.
PRAYERS.
1Welsh Grand Committee,—Mr Barry Jones reported from the Welsh Grand Committee, That it had considered the matter of the New Economic Agenda for Wales, referred to it on 22nd June, and had directed him to report accordingly to the House.
 
        Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee to be printed [No. 96].
2Message from the Lords,—A Message was brought from the Lords, as follows:
 
        The Lords have agreed to the School Standards and Framework Bill, with Amendments; to which they desire the concurrence of this House.
3School Standards and Framework Bill,—Lords Amendments to the School Standards and Framework Bill to be considered to-morrow and to be printed [Bill 225].
4Opposition Day [17th allotted day],—It being an allotted day at the disposal of the Leader of the Opposition in pursuance of Standing Order No. 14 (Arrangement of public business), the House proceeded to consider opposition business.
 
        Manufacturing and Industrial Relations,—A Motion was made, and the Question being proposed, That this House views with alarm the Government's creation of a boom and bust economy in the UK, with industry being badly damaged by high sterling and rising interest rates whilst wage and price inflation accelerates; expresses concern at the growth of industrial unrest in several sectors of the economy; and urges the Government to rethink its approach both to manufacturing and employee relations before more damage is done—(Mr John Redwood);
 
        An Amendment was proposed to the Question, in line 2, to leave out from the word 'House' to the end of the Question and add the words 'welcomes the measures the Government has taken to build an economy which is healthy and sustainable in the long term, including placing the control of interest rates with the independent Bank of England; notes that over the last 12 months investment has grown by 7 per cent., 14,000 manufacturing jobs have been created and the public finances have been put in order; welcomes the new culture of partnership in industrial relations which is developing within the framework of measures and proposals the Government is taking forward; urges the Government to continue its own productive partnership with both business and employees; and condemns the Opposition for its own record in government of allowing manufacturing to decline within a boom and bust economy of unprecedented proportions and actively and sustainedly destroying partnership and democracy in the workplace', instead thereof.—(Secretary Margaret Beckett.)
 
        And the Question being put, That the original words stand part of the Question;
 
        The House divided.
 
          Tellers for the Ayes, Mr John M. Taylor, Mr Tim Collins: 134.
 
          Tellers for the Noes, Bridget Prentice, Mr Jim Dowd: 313.
 
        So the Question was negatived.
 
        And the Question, That the proposed words be there added, being put forthwith, pursuant to Standing Order No. 31 (Questions on amendments):—It was agreed to.
 
        The Deputy Speaker forthwith declared the Main Question, as amended, to be agreed to.
 
        Resolved, That this House welcomes the measures the Government has taken to build an economy which is healthy and sustainable in the long term, including placing the control of interest rates with the independent Bank of England; notes that over the last 12 months investment has grown by 7 per cent., 14,000 manufacturing jobs have been created and the public finances have been put in order; welcomes the new culture of partnership in industrial relations which is developing within the framework of measures and proposals the Government is taking forward; urges the Government to continue its own productive partnership with both business and employees; and condemns the Opposition for its own record in government of allowing manufacturing to decline within a boom and bust economy of unprecedented proportions and actively and sustainedly destroying partnership and democracy in the workplace.
 
        Department of Social Security,—A Motion was made, and the Question being proposed, That this House deeply regrets the Government's failure to meet their election pledges to reduce social security costs; believes that this is a direct result of incompetent leadership at the Department of Social Security which has created confusion, contradictory policies and delays and has wasted their first year in Government—(Mr Iain Duncan Smith);
 
        An Amendment was proposed to the Question, in line 2, to leave out from the word 'House' to the end of the Question and add the words 'congratulates the Government for their outstanding record in pursuing their efforts to provide opportunities for those who can work and security for those who cannot, to cut expenditure on economic and social failure and to modernise the welfare system', instead thereof.—(Secretary Harriet Harman.)
 
        And the Question being proposed, That the original words stand part of the Question;
 
        Mr James Arbuthnot rose in his place and claimed to move, That the Question be now put.
 
        Question put, That the Question be now put:—It was agreed to.
 
        And the Question being accordingly put;
 
        The House divided.
 
          Tellers for the Ayes, Mr John M. Taylor, Mr Tim Collins: 128.
 
          Tellers for the Noes, Mr John McFall, Mr Robert Ainsworth: 360.
 
        So the Question was negatived.
 
        And the Question, That the proposed words be there added, being put forthwith, pursuant to Standing Order No. 31 (Questions on amendments):—It was agreed to.
 
        The Speaker forthwith declared the Main Question, as amended, to be agreed to.
 
        Resolved, That this House congratulates the Government for their outstanding record in pursuing their efforts to provide opportunities for those who can work and security for those who cannot, to cut expenditure on economic and social failure and to modernise the welfare system.
5Business of the House,—A Motion was made, and the Question being put forthwith, pursuant to Standing Order No. 15 (Exempted business), That, at this day's sitting the Lords proposals relating to the Teaching and Higher Education Bill [Lords] may be proceeded with, though opposed, until any hour—(Mr Clive Betts):—It was agreed to.
6Teaching and Higher Education Bill [Lords],—The House, according to Order, proceeded to consider the Lords Amendment in lieu of the words left out of the Teaching and Higher Education Bill [Lords] in page 22, lines 31 to 39.
 
        A Motion was made, and the Question being proposed, That this House disagrees to the Amendment proposed by the Lords in lieu of the words left out of the Bill in page 22, lines 31 to 39—(Mr Secretary Blunkett.)
 
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        Question put.
 
        The House divided.
 
          Tellers for the Ayes, Janet Anderson, Mr Clive Betts: 300.
 
          Tellers for the Noes, Mr John M Taylor, Mr Edward Davey: 168.
 
        The Lords Amendment was accordingly disagreed to.
 
        Ordered, That a Committee be appointed to draw up a Reason to be assigned to the Lords for disagreeing to the Amendment proposed by the Lords in lieu of the words left out of the Bill in page 22, lines 31 to 39.
 
        Ordered, That Mr Damian Green, Mr David Jamieson, Mr Tony McNulty, Mr Phil Willis and Mr Brian Wilson be members of the Committee.
 
        Ordered, That Mr Brian Wilson be the Chairman of the Committee.
 
        Ordered, That three be the quorum of the Committee.
 
        Ordered, That the Committee do withdraw immediately.—(Mr David Jamieson.)
7EC Preliminary Draft Budget for 1999,—A Motion was made, and the Question being put forthwith, pursuant to Standing Order No. 119 (European Standing Committees), That this House takes note of European Community Documents Nos. COM(98)300, the Preliminary Draft Budget of the European Communities for 1999, and SEC(98)800, the Commission's Overview of the Preliminary Draft Budget; and supports the Government's efforts to maintain budget discipline in the Community—(Mr Greg Pope):—It was agreed to.
8Income Tax,—A Motion was made, and the Question being put forthwith, pursuant to Standing Order No. 118 (Standing Committees on Delegated Legislation), That an humble Address be presented to Her Majesty, praying that the draft Double Taxation Relief (Taxes on Income) (Oman) Order 1998 be made in the form of the draft laid before this House on 2nd June—(Mr Greg Pope):—It was agreed to.
 
        Address to be presented to Her Majesty by such Members of this House as are of Her Majesty's most honourable Privy Council or of Her Majesty's Household.
9Income Tax,—A Motion was made, and the Question being put forthwith, pursuant to Standing Order No. 118 (Standing Committees on Delegated Legislation), That an humble Addrss be presented to Her Majesty, praying that the draft Double Taxation Relief (Air Transport) (Hong Kong) Order 1998 be made in the form of the draft laid before this House on 2nd June—(Mr Greg Pope):—It was agreed to.
 
        Address to be presented to Her Majesty by such Members of this House as are of Her Majesty's most honourable Privy Council or of Her Majesty's Household.
10Income Tax,—A Motion was made and the Question being put forthwith, pursuant to Standing Order No. 118 (Standing Committees on Delegated Legislation), That an Humble Addres be presented to Her Majesty, praying that the draft Double Taxation Relief (Taxes on Income) (Kazakhstan) Order 1998 be made in the form of the draft laid before this House on 2nd June—(Mr Greg Pope):—It was agreed to.
 
        Address to be presented to Her Majesty by such Members of this House as are of Her Majesty's most honourable Privy Council or of Her Majesty's Household.
11Teaching and Higher Education Bill [Lords],—Mr Brian Wilson reported from the Committee appointed to draw up a Reason to be assigned to the Lords for disagreeing to the Amendment proposed by the Lords in lieu of the words left out of the Bill in page 22, lines 31 to 39, That it had drawn up the following Reason, which it had directed him to report to the House.
 
        Because the said Lords Amendment involves charges on public funds, and the Commons do not offer any further Reason, trusting that this Reason may be deemed sufficient.
 
        The Reason was agreed to.
 
        Message to the Lords to communicate the said Reason, with the Bill and Amendment.
12Public Petitions,—A Public Petition from citizens of the United Kingdom against snaring was presented and read; and ordered to lie upon the Table and to be printed.
13Adjournment,—Resolved, That this House do now adjourn.—(Mr Greg Pope.)
 
        And accordingly the House, having continued to sit till two minutes to One o'clock on Tuesday morning, adjourned till this day.
[Adjourned at 12.58 a.m.
Betty Boothroyd
Speaker        

Madam Speaker will take the Chair at half-past Two o'clock.

APPENDIX I
Papers presented or laid upon the Table:
Papers subject to Negative Resolution:
1Merchant Shipping,—Merchant Shipping (Small Workboats and Pilot Boats) Regulations 1998 (S.I., 1998, No. 1609), dated 2nd July 1998 [by Act] [Mr Secretary Prescott].
2Police,—Royal Ulster Constabulary Pensions (Amendment) Regulations 1998 (S.R.(N.I.), 1998, No. 240), dated 1st July 1998 [by Statutory Instrument] [Secretary Marjorie Mowlam].
Other Papers:
3Data Protection,—Account of the Data Protection Registrar for 1997-98, with the Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General thereon [by Act]; to be printed [No. 958] [Clerk of the House].
4Deregulation,—Proposal under the Deregulation and Contracting Out Act 1994 by the Secretary of State for the Home Department for the Deregulation (Occasional Licences) Order 1998, with an explanatory memorandum [by Act] [Mr Secretary Straw].
5Housing,—(1) Accounts, and
 
        (2) Report and Summary Financial Statement
 
    of Tai Cymru Housing for Wales for 1997-98 [by Act] [Mr Secretary Davies].
6Human Fertilisation and Embryology,—Account of the Human Fertilisation and Embryology Authority for 1997-98, with the Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General thereon [by Act]; to be printed [No. 963] [Clerk of the House].
7National Audit,—Report by the Comptroller and Auditor General on HM Customs and Excise: The Prevention of Drug Smuggling [by Act]; to be printed [No. 854] [Clerk of the House].
8National Heritage (Scotland),—Report of National Museums of Scotland for 1997-98 [by Act] [Mr Secretary Dewar].
9Science and Technology,—Science, Engineering and Technology Statistics for 1998 [by Command] [Cm. 4006] [Secretary Margaret Beckett].
10Social Security,—Paper, entitled Beating Fraud is Everyone's Business: Securing the Future [by Command] [Cm. 4012] [Secretary Harriet Harman].
APPENDIX II
Reports from Select Committees
1Defence,—Minutes of Evidence taken before the Defence Committee on 13th July [Strategic Defence Review]; to be printed [No. 138-xiii] [Mr Bruce George].
2Health,—Memorandum laid before the Health Committee [Public Expenditure on Health and Personal Social Services]; to be printed [No. 959] [Mr David Hinchliffe].



 
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