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House of Commons Votes and Proceedings
Tuesday 2nd November 2004

The House met at half-past Eleven o'clock.

PRAYERS.

1    European Standing Committee A,—David Taylor reported from European Standing Committee A the following Resolution:

That the Committee takes note of European Union Document No. 12343/04, draft Council Decision concerning the placing on the market, in accordance with Directive 2001/18/EC, of an oilseed rape product (Brassica napus L., GT73 line) genetically modified for glyphosate tolerance; and supports the Government's view that, although expert advice indicates that there probably are no safety concerns, it can adopt a position on authorisation under Directive 2001/18/EC only on receipt of satisfactory data from a further rat feeding study using 15% oilseed rape meal. Report, together with Resolution, to lie upon the Table.

2    Message from the Lords,—A Message was brought from the Lords, as follows:

The Lords do not insist on one of their Amendments to the Armed Forces (Pensions and Compensation) Bill to which the Commons have disagreed; they do not insist on their other Amendment to which the Commons have disagreed but propose an Amendment in lieu thereof.

3    Armed Forces (Pensions and Compensation) Bill,—Lords Amendment in lieu of Commons Amendment to which the Lords have disagreed to be considered to-morrow and to be printed[Bill 171].

4    Post Offices (Pensions and Benefits),—Ordered, That leave be given to bring in a Bill to amend the procedures for collecting pensions and benefits from Post Offices: And that Sir Robert Smith, Mr Roger Berry, Malcolm Bruce, Richard Burden, Mr Edward Davey, Mr Nigel Evans, Kate Hoey, Mr Lindsay Hoyle, Mr John Randall, Mr Alan Reid, Mr Andrew Robathan and Mr Peter Viggers do prepare and bring it in.

5    Post Offices (Pensions and Benefits) Bill,—Sir Robert Smith accordingly presented a Bill to amend the procedures for collecting pensions and benefits from Post Offices: And the same was read the first time; and ordered to be read a second time on Friday 19 November and to be printed [Bill 170].

6    Children Bill [Lords] (Programme) (No. 2),—A Motion was made, and the Question being put, That the programme order of 13th September 2004 in relation to the Children Bill [Lords] be amended as follows—

1. Paragraphs 4 and 5 of the order shall be omitted. 2. The proceedings shown in the first column of the following table shall (so far as not previously concluded) be brought to a conclusion at the time specified in the second column.
    Proceedings
Time for conclusion of proceedings
    Proceedings on new Clauses standing in the name of a Minister of the Crown and proceedings on new Clauses relating to Part 1
2.30 p.m. on the day on which proceedings on consideration are begun.
    Proceedings on remaining new Clauses, other than new Clauses relating to the reasonable punishment of children
4.15 p.m. on that day.
    New Clauses relating to the reasonable punishment of children and remaining proceedings on consideration
6.00 p.m. on that day.
3. Proceedings on Third Reading shall (so far as not previously concluded) be brought to a conclusion at 7 p.m. on the day on which proceedings on Consideration are begun—(Margaret Hodge); The House divided.

      Tellers for the Ayes, Jim Fitzpatrick, Joan Ryan: 258.

      Tellers for the Noes, Andrew Selous, Mr Peter Atkinson: 148.

So the Question was agreed to.

7    Children Bill [Lords],—The House, according to Order, proceeded to consider the Children Bill [Lords], as amended in the Standing Committee.

A Clause (NC11) (Sharing of information)—(Mr Don Touhig)—brought up, read the first and second time, and added to the Bill. Another Clause (NC17) (Payments to foster parents)—(Margaret Hodge)—brought up, read the first and second time, and added to the Bill. Another Clause (NC1) (Children's Commissioner: functions)—(Annette Brooke)—brought up, and read the first time. Question proposed, That the Clause be read a second time. And it being half-past Two o'clock, the Deputy Speaker put the Question, pursuant to Order [this day]. The House divided.

      Tellers for the Ayes, Mr Andrew Stunell, Mr Roger Williams: 166.

      Tellers for the Noes, Mr Nick Ainger, Jim Fitzpatrick: 286.

    The Deputy Speaker then put the Question on a new Clause selected for separate Division.

Another Clause (NC2) (Powers of consideration and representation by Children's Commissioner for Wales)—(Mr Roger Williams)—brought up, and read the first time. Question put, That the Clause be added to the Bill.

    The House divided.

      Tellers for the Ayes, Mr Andrew Stunell, Mr Roger Williams: 175.

      Tellers for the Noes, Mr Nick Ainger, Jim Fitzpatrick: 283.

Another Clause (NC4) (Appeals about information held on databases)—(Tim Loughton)—brought up, and read the first time. Question put, That the Clause be read a second time.

    The House divided.

      Tellers for the Ayes, Andrew Selous, Mr Geoffrey Clifton-Brown: 174.

      Tellers for the Noes, Gillian Merron, Mr Nick Ainger: 293.

Another Clause (NC5) (Presumption of equal parenting)—(Mr Dominic Grieve)—brought up, and read the first time. Question proposed, That the Clause be read a second time. And it being a quarter past Four o'clock, the Deputy Speaker put the Question.

    The House divided.

      Tellers for the Ayes, Andrew Selous, Mr Geoffrey Clifton-Brown: 176.

      Tellers for the Noes, Gillian Merron, Mr Nick Ainger: 304.

Another Clause (NC12) (Reasonable punishment)—(Mr David Hinchliffe)—brought up, and read the first time. Question put, That the Clause be read a second time.

    The House divided.

      Tellers for the Ayes, Mr Win Griffiths, Mr Hilton Dawson: 75.

      Tellers for the Noes, Joan Ryan, Paul Clark: 424.

It being after Six o'clock, the Deputy Speaker put the Question on an Amendment selected for separate Division.

    Amendment (No. 23) proposed to the Bill, in page 37, line 18, to leave out Clause No. 56.—(Mr Andrew Turner.)

Question put, That the Amendment be made.

    The House divided.

      Tellers for the Ayes, Mr Andrew Robathan, Mr Gary Streeter: 208.

      Tellers for the Noes, Joan Ryan, Paul Clark: 284.

The Deputy Speaker then put the Question on the Amendments moved by a Minister of the Crown. Amendments (Nos. 28, 40, 21, 22, 29, 41 to 43 and 30) made to the Bill. A Motion was made, and the Question being proposed, That the Bill be now read the third time; And it being Seven o'clock, the Deputy Speaker put the Question, pursuant to Order [this day]:—It was agreed to. The Bill was accordingly read the third time and passed, with Amendments.

8    Business of the House,—Ordered, That, at the sitting on Wednesday 3rd November—

(1) the Speaker shall put the Questions necessary to dispose of proceedings on the Motions relating to Members' Allowances, Parliamentary Pensions (Contributions Rate) and Parliamentary Pensions (Survivor Benefits and Early Retirement) not later than three hours after the commencement of proceedings on the first Motion, and such Questions shall include the Questions on any Amendments selected by the Speaker which may then be moved; and

    (2) the Speaker shall put the Questions necessary to dispose of proceedings on the Motion in the name of Mr Peter Hain relating to Sessional Orders and Resolutions not later than Seven o'clock, or three hours after their commencement, whichever is the later; such Questions shall include the Questions on any Amendments selected by the Speaker which may then be moved; proceedings may continue after the moment of interruption; and the Orders of the House of 28th June 2001 and 6th November 2003 relating to Deferred Divisions shall not apply.—(Margaret Moran.)

9    Adjournment,—Resolved, That this House do now adjourn.—(Margaret Moran.)

And accordingly, the House, having continued to sit till twenty-five minutes past Seven o'clock, adjourned till to-morrow. [Adjourned at 7.25 p.m.

Michael J. Martin

Speaker


Mr Speaker will take the Chair at half-past Eleven o'clock.


APPENDIX I

Papers presented or laid upon the Table:

Papers subject to Negative Resolution:

1    Antarctica,—Antarctic (Amendment) Regulations 2004 (S.I., 2004, No. 2782), dated 16th September 2004 [by Act], with an Explanatory Memorandum [by Command] [Mr Secretary Straw].

2    Local Government,—Local Authorities (Functions and Responsibilities) (Amendment No. 3) (England) Regulations 2004 (S.I., 2004, No. 2748), dated 22nd October 2004 [by Act], with an Explanatory Memorandum [by Command] [Mr Secretary Prescott].

Other Papers:

3    Air Force (Constitution),—(1) Amendment List 13 to Air Publication 1269 The Royal Air Force Manual of Medical Management and Administration (Eighth Edition), and

    (2) Amendment List 10 to Air Publication 3394 The Royal Air Force Aeromedical Evacuation Service (Third Edition)

    [by Act] [Mr Secretary Hoon].

4    Government Resources and Accounts,—Report and Accounts of the Royal Air Force Training Group Defence Agency for 2003-04, with the Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General thereon [by Act]; to be printed [No. 1074] [Mr Secretary Hoon].

5    National Audit,—Report by the Comptroller and Auditor General on Improving IT procurement: The impact of the Office of Government Commerce's initiatives on departments and suppliers in the delivery of major IT-enabled projects [by Act]; to be printed [No. 877] [Clerk of the House].

6    Royal Patriotic Fund Corporation,—Report and Accounts of the Royal Patriotic Fund Corporation for 2003 [by Command] [Mr Christopher Leslie].

7    Transport,—Amendments to the Agreement on the international carriage of perishable foodstuffs and on the special equipment to be used for such carriage (ATP) 1970 [by Command] [Cm.6362] [Mr Secretary Darling].

APPENDIX II

Reports from Select Committees

1    Culture, Media and Sport,—Minutes of Evidence taken before the Culture, Media and Sport Committee [BBC Charter Renewal]; to be printed [No. 598-x] [Sir Gerald Kaufman].

2    Defence,—Minutes of Evidence taken before the Defence Committee [Iraq]; to be printed [No. 721-ii] [Bruce George].

3    Environment, Food and Rural Affairs,—Minutes of Evidence taken before the Sub-Committee on the Government's Rural Delivery Strategy of the Environment, Food and Rural Affairs Committee [The Government's Rural Delivery Strategy]; to be printed [No. 1225-i] [Mr Michael Jack].

4    Foreign Affairs,—Minutes of Evidence taken before the Foreign Affairs Committee [Cyprus]; to be printed [No. 1172-ii] [Mr Donald Anderson].

5    Home Affairs,—Minutes of Evidence taken before the Home Affairs Committee [The Work of the Home Office]; to be printed [No. 1222-i] [Mr John Denham].

6    Public Accounts,—(1) Fiftieth Report from the Committee of Public Accounts [Northern Ireland: the management of industrial sickness absence]; to be printed, together with the Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee relating to the Report [No. 561];

    (2) Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee [The Use of Operating Theatres in the Northern Ireland Health and Personal Social Services]; to be printed [No. 1227-i]; and

    (3) Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee [Navan Centre}; to be printed [No. 1228-i]

    [Mr Edward Leigh].

7    Regulatory Reform,—Minutes of Evidence taken before the Regulatory Reform Committee [Proposal for the Regulatory Reform (Registration of Births and Deaths) (England and Wales) Order 2004]; to be printed [No. 1201-ii] [Mr Peter Pike].

8    Statutory Instruments,—Thirty-second Report from the Joint Committee on Statutory Instruments, together with Memoranda laid before the Committee; to be printed [No. 82-xxxii] [Mr David Tredinnick].

9    Trade and Industry,—Minutes of Evidence taken before the Trade and Industry Committee [UK Employment Regulation; Midlands Car Industry]; to be printed [Nos. 1223-i and 1224-i] [Mr Martin O'Neill].

[W.H., No. 95]

Minutes of Proceedings of the Sitting in Westminster Hall

The sitting commenced at half-past Nine o'clock.

Adjournment,—Resolved, That the sitting be now adjourned.—(Mr Vernon Coaker.)

    And accordingly the sitting was adjourned till to-morrow.

[Adjourned at 4.43 p.m.

Sir Alan Haselhurst

Deputy Speaker



 
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