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House of Commons Votes and Proceedings
Tuesday 9th March 2004

The House met at half-past Eleven o'clock.

PRAYERS.

1    Sustainable and Secure Buildings Bill,-Mr Alan Hurst reported from Standing Committee C, That it had gone through the Sustainable and Secure Buildings Bill, and made Amendments thereunto.

    Bill, as amended in the Standing Committee, to be considered on Friday 30th April; and to be printed [Bill 69].

    Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee to be printed [No. 433].

2    Higher Education Bill,-Mr Roger Gale reported from Standing Committee H, That it had gone through the Higher Education Bill, and made Amendments thereunto.

    Bill, as amended in the Standing Committee, to be considered to-morrow; and to be printed [Bill 67].

    Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee to be printed [No. 436].

3    Second Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation,-Mr Jonathan Sayeed reported from the Second Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation the draft Social Security (Intensive Activity Period 50 to 59 Pilot) Regulations 2004 and the draft Social Security (Intensive Activity Period 50 to 59 Pilot) (No. 2) Regulations 2004.

    Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee to lie upon the Table.

4    Third Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation,-Mr David Amess reported from the Third Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation the Mink Keeping (Prohibition) (England) Order 2004 (S.I., 2004, No. 100).

    Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee to lie upon the Table.

5    Fourth Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation,-Mr Kevin Hughes reported from the Fourth Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation the draft Social Security (Contributions) (Re-rating and National Insurance Funds Payments) Order 2004.

    Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee to lie upon the Table.

6    Fifth Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation,-Mr Bill O'Brien reported from the Fifth Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation the draft Renewables Obligation (Amendment) Order 2004.

    Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee to lie upon the Table.

7    Sex Discrimination (Clubs and Other Private Associations),-Ordered, That leave be given to bring in a Bill to make provision for the prevention of sex discrimination in relation to membership of, or the benefits, facilities and services afforded by, clubs and other private associations: And that David Wright, Mr Parmjit Dhanda, Mr Robert Walter, Mr David Stewart, Vera Baird, Mr Tom Harris, Mr David Heath, Ann McKechin, Ms Meg Munn, Peter Bradley, Mrs Lorna Fitzsimons and Mrs Liz Blackman do prepare and bring it in.

8    Sex Discrimination (Clubs and Other Private Associations) Bill,-David Wright accordingly presented a Bill to make provision for the prevention of sex discrimination in relation to membership of, or the benefits, facilities and services afforded by, clubs and other private associations: And the same was read the first time; and ordered to be read a second time on Friday 14th May and to be printed [Bill 68].

9    Publication of the Advice of the Attorney General on Iraq,-A Motion was made, and the Question being proposed, That this House believes that all advice prepared by the Attorney General on the legality of the war in Iraq should be published in full-(Mr Elfyn Llwyd);

    An Amendment was proposed to the Question, in line 2, to leave out from the word 'House' to the end of the Question and add the words 'notes the long-standing convention, followed by successive governments, that the advice of the Law Officers is given in confidence and is not disclosed publicly; notes, however, the Answer given in the House of Lords by the Attorney General on 17th March 2003 which set out his view of the legal basis of the use of force against Iraq, and the letter of the same date from the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs to the Chairman of the Foreign Affairs Committee giving more detail of the legal position; and believes that the priority now for the Government is to help the Iraqi people rebuild Iraq', instead thereof.-(Mr Secretary Straw.)

    And the Question being put, That the original words stand part of the Question, pursuant to Order [3rd March] and Standing Order No. 31 (Questions on amendments);

    The House divided.

      Tellers for the Ayes, Pete Wishart, Hywel Williams: 192.

      Tellers for the Noes, Gillian Merron, Mr John Heppell: 283.

    So the Question was negatived.

    And the Question, That the proposed words be there added, being put forthwith:-It was agreed to.

    The Deputy Speaker forthwith declared the Main Question, as amended, to be agreed to.

    Resolved, That this House notes the long-standing convention, followed by successive governments, that the advice of the Law Officers is given in confidence and is not disclosed publicly; notes, however, the Answer given in the House of Lords by the Attorney General on 17th March 2003 which set out his view of the legal basis of the use of force against Iraq, and the letter of the same date from the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs to the Chairman of the Foreign Affairs Committee giving more detail of the legal position; and believes that the priority now for the Government is to help the Iraqi people rebuild Iraq.

10    Young People and Democracy,-A Motion was made, and the Question being proposed, That this House notes the concern shared by all political parties at the lack of participation in the political process by young people and the decreasing turnout in elections throughout the country; welcomes the work of many charities, political experts, young people and organisations representing them, who have worked together in their belief that lowering the voting age would improve the quality of politics in the United Kingdom; and calls on the Government to legislate to lower the voting age for all public elections to 16 years-(Angus Robertson);

    An Amendment was proposed to the Question, in line 6, to leave out from the word 'Kingdom' to the end of the Question and add the words 'but notes that the independent Electoral Commission's review of voting age and candidacy age is soon to be published and that the Government will carefully consider its conclusions, alongside the work of other organisations', instead thereof.-(Mr Christopher Leslie.)

    And the Question being proposed, That the original words stand part of the Question, pursuant to Order [3rd March] and Standing Order No. 31 (Questions on amendments);

    Pete Wishart rose in his place and claimed to move, That the Question be now put.

    And the Question being put, That the Question be now put:-It was agreed to.

    And the Question being accordingly put;

    The House divided.

      Tellers for the Ayes, Mr Simon Thomas, Pete Wishart: 50.

      Tellers for the Noes, Charlotte Atkins, Mr Jim Murphy: 346.

    So the Question was negatived.

    And the Question, That the proposed words be there added, being put forthwith;

    The House divided.

      Tellers for the Ayes, Charlotte Atkins, Mr Jim Murphy: 310.

      Tellers for the Noes, Mr Eric Forth, Ann Winterton: 10.

    So the Question was agreed to.

    And the Main Question, as amended, being put:-It was agreed to.

    Resolved, That this House notes the concern shared by all political parties at the lack of participation in the political process by young people and the decreasing turnout in elections throughout the country; welcomes the work of many charities, political experts, young people and organisations representing them, who have worked together in their belief that lowering the voting age would improve the quality of politics in the United Kingdom but notes that the independent Electoral Commission's review of voting age and candidacy age is soon to be published and that the Government will carefully consider its conclusions, alongside the work of other organisations.

11    Local Government,-A Motion was made, and the Question being put forthwith, pursuant to Standing Order No. 118 (Standing Committees on Delegated Legislation), That the draft Local Elections (Ordinary Day of Election 2004) Order 2004, which was laid before this House on 29th January, be approved-(Mr Vernon Coaker):-It was agreed to.

12    Local Government,-A Motion was made, and the Question being put forthwith, pursuant to Standing Order No. 118 (Standing Committees on Delegated Legislation), That the draft Local Authorities (Conduct of Referendums) (England) (Amendment) Regulations 2004, which were laid before this House on 5th February, be approved-(Mr Vernon Coaker):-It was agreed to.

13    Local Government,-A Motion was made, and the Question being put forthwith, pursuant to Standing Order No. 118 (Standing Committees on Delegated Legislation), That the draft Local Authorities (Mayoral Elections) (England and Wales) (Amendment) Regulations 2004, which were laid before this House on 5th February, be approved-(Mr Vernon Coaker):-It was agreed to.

14    Representation of the People,-A Motion was made, and the Question being put forthwith, pursuant to Standing Order No. 118 (Standing Committees on Delegated Legislation), That the draft Representation of the People (Combination of Polls) (England and Wales) Regulations 2004, which were laid before this House on 5th February, be approved-(Mr Vernon Coaker):-It was agreed to.

15    Representation of the People,-A Motion was made, and the Question being put forthwith, pursuant to Standing Order No. 118 (Standing Committees on Delegated Legislation), That the draft European Parliamentary Elections Regulations 2004, which were laid before this House on 5th February, be approved-(Mr Vernon Coaker):-It was agreed to.

16    Social Security,-A Motion was made, and the Question being put forthwith, pursuant to Standing Order No. 118 (Standing Committees on Delegated Legislation), That the draft Pneumoconiosis etc. (Workers' Compensation) (Payment of Claims) (Amendment) Regulations 2004, which were laid before this House on 28th January, be approved-(Mr Vernon Coaker):-It was agreed to.

17    Social Security,-A Motion was made, and the Question being put forthwith, pursuant to Standing Order No. 118 (Standing Committees on Delegated Legislation), That the draft Children (Leaving Care) Social Security Benefits (Scotland) Regulations 2004, which were laid before this House on 4th February, be approved-(Mr Vernon Coaker):-It was agreed to.

18    Employment Tribunals,-A Motion was made, and the Question being put forthwith, pursuant to Standing Order No. 118 (Standing Committees on Delegated Legislation), That the draft Employment Act 2002 (Dispute Resolution) Regulations 2004, which were laid before this House on 20th January, be approved-(Mr Vernon Coaker):-It was agreed to.

19    Police,-A Motion was made, and the Question being put forthwith, pursuant to Standing Order No. 118 (Standing Committees on Delegated Legislation), That the draft Police (Northern Ireland) Act 2000 (Renewal of Temporary Provisions) Order 2004, which was laid before this House on 12th February, be approved-(Mr Vernon Coaker):-It was agreed to.

20    Legal Services Commission,-A Motion was made, and the Question being put forthwith, pursuant to Standing Order No. 118 (Standing Committees on Delegated Legislation), That the draft Community Legal Service (Scope) Regulations 2004, which were laid before this House on 12th February, be approved-(Mr Vernon Coaker):-It was agreed to.

21    Welsh Grand Committee,-Ordered, That-

    (1) the matter of the Budget Statement and its implications for Wales be referred to the Welsh Grand Committee for its consideration;

    (2) the Committee shall meet at Westminster on Wednesday 24th March between ten minutes to Nine o'clock and twenty minutes past Eleven o'clock and between Two o'clock and Four o'clock to consider the matter of the Budget Statement and its implications for Wales, under Standing Order No. 107 (Welsh Grand Committee (matters relating exclusively to Wales)).-(Mr Vernon Coaker.)

22    Public Petitions,-Public Petitions from

    (1) Parents and friends of Streethouse School, Pontefract, for additional provision to cope with rising pupil numbers, and

    (2) Weymouth HiFi and residents of South Dorset for an upgrade of the Weymouth digital television transmitter, and for connected measures

    were presented and read; and ordered to lie upon the Table and to be printed.

23    Adjournment,-A Motion was made, and the Question being proposed, That this House do now adjourn-(Mr Vernon Coaker);

    And the Motion having been made after Seven o'clock, and the Debate having continued for half an hour, the Deputy Speaker adjourned the House without Question put, pursuant to the Standing Order, it being then twenty-six minutes to Nine o'clock, till to-morrow.

[Adjourned at 8.34 p.m.

Michael J. Martin
Speaker


Mr Speaker will take the Chair at half-past Eleven o'clock.


APPENDIX I

Papers presented or laid upon the Table:

Papers subject to Affirmative Resolution:

    1    Income Tax,-Draft Double Taxation Relief (Taxes on Income) (New Zealand) Order 2004 [by Act], with an Explanatory Memorandum [by Command] [Dawn Primarolo].

    2    Social Security,-Draft Employment Zones (Allocation to Contractors) Pilot Regulations 2004 [by Act], with an Explanatory Memorandum [by Command] [Mr Secretary Smith].

Papers subject to Negative Resolution:

    3    Community Legal Service,-Community Legal Service (Funding) (Amendment) Order 2004 (S.I., 2004, No. 597), dated 8th March 2004 [by Act] [Mr David Lammy].

    4    Education,-(1) Education (Hazardous Equipment and Materials) (England) Regulations 2004 (S.I., 2004, No. 571), dated 3rd March 2004,

    (2) Kingston-upon-Hull City Council (School Meals) Order 2004 (S.I., 2004, No. 592), dated 4th March 2004, and

    (3) Teachers' Pensions (Amendment) Regulations 2004 (S.I., 2004, No. 587), dated 3rd March 2004    

    [by Act] [Mr Secretary Clarke].

    5    Environmental Protection,-Environmental Protection (Waste Recycling Payments) (England) Regulations 2004 (S.I., 2004, No. 639), dated 8th March 2004 [by Act] [Secretary Margaret Beckett].

    6    Evidence,-Blood Tests (Evidence of Paternity) (Amendment) Regulations 2004 (S.I., 2004, No 596), dated 25th February 2004 [by Act] [Mr David Lammy].

    7    Food,-Food for Particular Nutritional Uses (Addition of Substances for Specific Nutritional Purposes) (England) (Amendment) Regulations 2004 (S.I., 2004, No. 649), dated 8th March 2004 [by Act] [Mr Secretary Reid].

    8    Land Registration,-Land Registration Fee Order 2004 (S.I., 2004, No. 595), dated 3rd March 2004 [by Act] [Mr David Lammy].

    9    National Health Service,-(1) Health and Social Care (Community Health and Standards) Act 2003 (Isles of Scilly) Order 2004 (S.I., 2004, No. 567), dated 3rd March,

    (2) NHS Direct (Establishment and Constitution) Order 2004 (S.I., 2004, No. 569), dated 28th February 2004, and

    (3) NHS Direct Regulations 2004 (S.I., 2004, No. 570), dated 28th February 2004

    [by Act] [Mr Secretary Reid].

    10    Road Traffic,-Motor Vehicles (Approval) (Amendment) Regulations 2004 (S.I., 2004, No. 623), dated 8th March 2004 [by Act] [Mr Secretary Darling].

    11    Social Care,-(1) General Social Care Council (Description of Persons to be Treated as Social Care Workers) Regulations 2004 (S.I., 2004, No. 561),

    (2) General Social Care Council (Registration) (Description of Social Care Workers) Order 2004 (S.I., 2004, No. 562),

    dated 3rd March 2004 [by Act] [Mr Secretary Reid].

    12    Social Security,-Social Security (Miscellaneous Amendments) Regulations 2004 (S.I., 2004, No. 565), dated 1st March 2004 [by Act] [Mr Secretary Smith].

    13    Transport,-Service Subsidy Agreements (Tendering) (England) (Amendment) Regulations 2004 (S.I., 2004, No. 609), dated 8th March 2004 [by Act] [Mr Secretary Darling].

    14    Tribunals and Inquiries,-Tribunals and Inquiries (Dairy Produce Quota Tribunal) Order 2004 (S.I., 2004, No. 594), dated 4th March 2004 [by Act] [Mr David Lammy].

    15    Wildlife,-Wildlife and Countryside (Registration and Ringing of Certain Captive Birds) (England) (Amendment) Regulations 2004 (S.I., 2004, No. 640), dated 8th March 2004 [by Act] [Secretary Margaret Beckett].

Other Papers:

    16    National Audit,-Report by the Comptroller and Auditor General on Improving Procurement: Progress by the Office of Government Commerce in improving departments' capability to procure cost-effectively [by Act]; to be printed [No. 361-I and II] [Clerk of the House].

APPENDIX II

Standing Committees

    1    Gender Recognition Bill [Lords],-The Committee of Selection has discharged Kali Mountford from Standing Committee A (in respect of the Bill); and nominated in substitution Huw Irranca-Davies.

    2    Carers (Equal Opportunities) Bill,-The Committee of Selection has discharged David Taylor from Standing Committee C (in respect of the Bill); and nominated in substitution Jim Knight.

    3    Higher Education Bill,-The Speaker has appointed Mr George Stevenson as an additional Chairman of Standing Committee H in respect of the Bill.

    4    Mink Keeping (Prohibition) (England) Order 2004 (S.I., 2004, No. 100),-The Committee of Selection has discharged Mr Nick Ainger, Mr Harold Best, Mr Brian H. Donohoe, Helen Jones, Dr Nick Palmer and Dr Gavin Strang from the Third Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation (nominated in respect of the Order) and nominated in substitution Tony Cunningham, Gillian Merron, Diana Organ, Mr Sin Simon and Paddy Tipping.

    5    Draft Renewables Obligation (Amendment) Order 2003,-The Committee of Selection has discharged Ian Stewart from the Fifth Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation (nominated in respect of the draft Order) and nominated in substitution Mr Andrew Miller.

    6    Draft Tax Credits Up-rating Regulations 2004, the draft Child Benefit and Guardian's Allowance Up-rating Order 2004 and the draft Child Benefit and Guardian's Allowance Up-rating (Northern Ireland) Order 2004,-The Committee of Selection has discharged Mr George Osborne from the Ninth Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation (nominated in respect of the draft Regulations and Orders) and nominated in substitution Mr Mark Prisk.

APPENDIX III

Reports from Select Committees

    1    Constitutional Affairs,-Minutes of Evidence taken before the Constitutional Affairs Committee [Civil Legal Aid: adequacy of provision]; to be printed [No.391-ii] [Mr A.J. Beith].

    2    Culture, Media and Sport,-(1) Fourth Report from the Culture, Media and Sport Committee [Work of the Committee in 2003], to be printed, with the Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee relating to the Report [No. 404]; and

    (2) Fifth Report from the Committee [National Lottery Reform], together with Appendices to the Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee; to be printed, with the Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee relating to the Report [No. 196]

    [Mr Gerald Kaufman].

    3    Foreign Affairs,-Third Report from the Foreign Affairs Committee [Iran], together with Appendices to the Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee; to be printed, with the Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee relating to the Report [No. 80] [Mr Donald Anderson].

    4    Home Affairs,-Minutes of Evidence taken before the Home Affairs Committee [Impact of EU Enlargement on Migration to the UK]; to be printed [No. 435-i] [Mr John Denham].

    5    International Development,-Minutes of Evidence taken before the International Development Committee [Migration and Development]; to be printed [No. 79-vii] [Tony Worthington].

    6    Office of the Deputy Prime Minister: Housing, Planning, Local Government and the Regions,-(1) Memoranda submitted to the Office of the Deputy Prime Minister: Housing, Planning, Local Government and the Regions Committee [The Role and Effectiveness of the Housing Corporation]; to be printed [No. 401-II]; and

    (2) Fourth Report from the Committee [Coalfield Communities], with the Appendices to the Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee; to be printed, with the Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee relating to the Report [No. 44-I]; and

    (3) Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee [Postal Voting]; to be printed [No. 400-i]

    [Andrew Bennett].

    7    Scottish Affairs,-Minutes of Evidence taken before the Scottish Affairs Committee [The Proposed Whisky Strip Stamp]; to be printed [No. 149-ii] [Mrs Irene Adams].

    8    Statutory Instruments,-Eleventh Report from the Joint Committee on Statutory Instruments, together with Memoranda laid before the Committee; to be printed [No. 82-xi] [Brian White].

    9    Trade and Industry,-(1) Minutes of Evidence taken before the Trade and Industry Committee [Progress toward the knowledge driven economy]; to be printed [262-v], and

    (2) Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee [UK Automotive Industry]; to be printed [437-i]

      [Mr Martin O'Neill].

    10    Treasury,-(1) Second Special Report from the Treasury Committee [Responses to the First Report from the Committee on Transparency of Credit Card Charges]; to be printed [ No. 431]; and

    (2) Minutes of Evidence taken before the Sub-committee of the Treasury Committee [The Administrative Costs of Tax Compliance]; to be printed [No. 269-iv]

    [Mr John McFall].

    11    Work and Pensions,-Memoranda laid before the Work and Pensions Committee [Sir Archy Kirkwood].

[W.H., No. 30]

Minutes of Proceedings of the Sitting in Westminster Hall

The sitting commenced at half-past Nine o'clock.

    Adjournment,-A Motion was made, and the Question being proposed, That the sitting be now adjourned-(Mr Fraser Kemp);

      And the sitting having continued for two and a half hours after Two o'clock, it was adjourned without Question put, till to-morrow.

[Adjourned at 4.30 p.m.

Sir Alan Haselhurst   
Deputy Speaker     



 
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