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House of Commons Votes and Proceedings
Thursday 20th November 2003

The House met at half-past Eleven o'clock.

PRAYERS.

1    Scottish Grand Committee,-Ordered, That the Minutes of Proceedings of the Scottish Grand Committee be printed [No. 1338].

2    Welsh Grand Committee,-Ordered, That the Minutes of Proceedings of the Welsh Grand Committee be printed [No. 1339].

3    Northern Ireland Grand Committee,-Ordered, That the Minutes of Proceedings of the Northern Ireland Grand Committee be printed [No. 1340].

4    Standing Committee on Regional Affairs,-Ordered, That the Minutes of Proceedings of the Standing Committee on Regional Affairs be printed [No. 1341].

5    European Standing Committee A,-Ordered, That the Minutes of Proceedings of European Standing Committee A be printed [No. 1342].

6    European Standing Committee B,-Ordered, That the Minutes of Proceedings of European Standing Committee B be printed [No. 1343].

7    European Standing Committee C,-Ordered, That the Minutes of Proceedings of European Standing Committee C be printed [No. 1344].

8    Standing Committee on the Convention,-Ordered, That the Minutes of Proceedings of the Standing Committee on the Convention be printed [No. 1345].

9    Standing Committee on the Inter-Governmental Conference,-Ordered, That the Minutes of Proceedings of the Standing Committee on the Inter-Governmental Conference be printed [No. 1346].

10    Accommodation and Works,-Ordered, That the Minutes of Proceedings of the Accommodation and Works Committee be printed [No. 1293].

11    Administration,-Ordered, That the Minutes of Proceedings of the Administration Committee be printed [No. 1294].

12    Broadcasting,-Ordered, That the Minutes of Proceedings of the Select Committee on Broadcasting be printed [No. 1295].

13    Catering,-Ordered, That the Minutes of Proceedings of the Catering Committee be printed [No. 1296].

14    Constitutional Affairs,-Ordered, That the Minutes of Proceedings of the Constitutional Affairs Committee be printed [No. 1297].

15    Culture, Media and Sport,-Ordered, That the Minutes of Proceedings of the Culture, Media and Sport Committee be printed [No. 1298].

16    Defence,-Ordered, That the Minutes of Proceedings of the Defence Committee be printed [No. 1299].

17    Education and Skills,-Ordered, That the Minutes of Proceedings of the Education and Skills Committee be printed [No. 1300].

18    Environment, Food and Rural Affairs,-Ordered, That the Minutes of Proceedings of the Environment, Food and Rural Affairs Committee be printed, together with the Minutes of Proceedings of the Badgers and Bovine Tuberculosis Sub-Committee, the Broadband in Rural Areas Sub-Committee, the Cetacean By-Catch Sub-Committee, the Countryside and Rights of Way Act 2000 Sub-Committee, the Delivery of Education in Rural Areas Sub-Committee, the Environmental Directives Sub-Committee, the Mid-term Review of the CAP Sub-Committee, the New Covent Garden Market Sub-Committee, the Poultry Farming in the United Kingdom Sub-Committee, the Rural Payments Agency Sub-Committee and the Vets and Veterinary Services Sub-Committee [No. 1301].

19    European Scrutiny,-Ordered, That the Minutes of Proceedings of the European Scrutiny Committee be printed [No. 1302].

20    Finance and Services,-Ordered, That the Minutes of Proceedings of the Finance and Services Committee be printed [No. 1303].

21    Foreign Affairs,-Ordered, That the Minutes of Proceedings of the Foreign Affairs Committee be printed [No. 1304].

22    Health,-Ordered, That the Minutes of Proceedings of the Health Committee be printed, together with the Minutes of Proceedings of the Maternity Services Sub-Committee [No. 1305].

23    Home Affairs,-Ordered, That the Minutes of Proceedings of the Home Affairs Committee be printed [No. 1306].

24    Human Rights,-Ordered, That the Minutes of Proceedings of the Select Committee appointed to join with a Committee of the House of Lords on Human Rights be printed [No. 1307].

25    Information,-Ordered, That the Minutes of Proceedings of the Information Committee be printed [No. 1308].

26    International Development,-Ordered, That the Minutes of Proceedings of the International Development Committee be printed [No. 1309].

27    Liaison,-Ordered, That the Minutes of Proceedings of the Liaison Committee be printed [No. 1310].

28    Modernisation of the House of Commons,-Ordered, That the Minutes of Proceedings of the Select Committee on Modernisation of the House of Commons be printed [No. 1311].

29    Northern Ireland Affairs,-Ordered, That the Minutes of Proceedings of the Northern Ireland Affairs Committee be printed [No. 1312].

30    Office of the Deputy Prime Minister: Housing, Planning, Local Government and the Regions,-Ordered, That the Minutes of Proceedings of the Office of the Deputy Prime Minister: Housing, Planning, Local Government and the Regions Committee be printed, together with the Minutes of Proceedings of the Urban Affairs Sub-Committee [No. 1313].

31    Procedure,-Ordered, That the Minutes of Proceedings of the Procedure Committee be printed [No. 1314].

32    Public Accounts,-Ordered, That the Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee of Public Accounts be printed [No. 1315].

33    Public Administration,-Ordered, That the Minutes of Proceedings of the Select Committee on Public Administration be printed [No. 1316].

34    Regulatory Reform,-Ordered, That the Minutes of Proceedings of the Select Committee on Regulatory Reform be printed [No.1317].

35    Science and Technology,-Ordered, That the Minutes of Proceedings of the Science and Technology Committee be printed [No. 1318].

36    Scottish Affairs,-Ordered, That the Minutes of Proceedings of the Scottish Affairs Committee be printed [No. 1319].

37    Standards and Privileges,-Ordered, That the Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee on Standards and Privileges be printed [No. 1320].

38    Statutory Instruments,-Ordered, That the Minutes of Proceedings of the Select Committee on Statutory Instruments be printed [No. 1321].

39    Statutory Instruments,-Ordered, That the Minutes of Proceedings of the Select Committee appointed to join with a Committee of the House of Lords on Statutory Instruments be printed [No. 1322].

40    Trade and Industry,-Ordered, That the Minutes of Proceedings of the Trade and Industry Committee be printed [No. 1323].

41    Transport,-Ordered, That the Minutes of Proceedings of the Transport Committee be printed [No. 1324].

42    Treasury,-Ordered, That the Minutes of Proceedings of the Treasury Committee be printed, together with the Minutes of Proceedings of the Treasury Sub-Committee [No. 1325].

43    Welsh Affairs,-Ordered, That the Minutes of Proceedings of the Welsh Affairs Committee be printed [No. 1326].

44    Work and Pensions,-Ordered, That the Minutes of Proceedings of the Work and Pensions Committee be printed, together with the Minutes of Proceedings of the IT Sub-Committee [No. 1327].

45    Sittings of the House,-A Motion was made, and the Question being proposed, That, at the sittings on Monday 24th and Tuesday 25th November-

    (1) notwithstanding the provisions of paragraph (1) of Standing Order No. 21 (Time for taking questions), no Questions shall be taken, provided that, one hour after the commencement of the sitting, the Speaker may interrupt the proceedings in order to permit Questions to be asked which are in his opinion of an urgent character and relate either to matters of public importance or to the arrangement of business, statements to be made by Ministers or personal explanations to be made by Members; and

    (2) the Speaker shall not adjourn the House until any Message from the Lords has been received and any Committee to draw up Reasons which has been appointed at that sitting has reported-(Peter Hain);

    An Amendment was proposed to the Question, in line 3, to leave out paragraph (1) and insert the words-

    '(1) notwithstanding paragraph (5) of Standing Order No. 22 (Notices of questions, motions and amendments), Oral Questions shall be taken on Monday 24th November to the Secretary of State for the Home Department and on Tuesday 25th November to the Secretary of State for Health; and the shuffles for these Oral Questions shall be held at Six o'clock at this day's sitting or one hour after the conclusion of proceedings on this Motion, whichever is later', instead thereof.-(Mr Paul Tyler.)

    And the Question being proposed, That the Amendment be made;

    Mr Bob Ainsworth rose in his place and claimed to move, That the Question be now put.

    And the Question being put, That the Question be now put;

    The House divided.

      Tellers for the Ayes, Bridget Prentice, Mr Nick Ainger: 331.

      Tellers for the Noes, Mr Hugo Swire, Mr John Randall: 175.

    So the Question was agreed to.

    And the Question being accordingly put, That the Amendment be made;

    The House divided.

      Tellers for the Ayes, Mr Crispin Blunt, Mr Richard Bacon: 174.

      Tellers for the Noes, Mr Nick Ainger, Bridget Prentice: 330.

    So the Question was negatived.

    And the Main Question being put;

    Ordered, That, at the sittings on Monday 24th and Tuesday 25th November-

    (1) notwithstanding the provisions of paragraph (1) of Standing Order No. 21 (Time for taking questions), no Questions shall be taken, provided that, one hour after the commencement of the sitting, the Speaker may interrupt the proceedings in order to permit Questions to be asked which are in his opinion of an urgent character and relate either to matters of public importance or to the arrangement of business, statements to be made by Ministers or personal explanations to be made by Members; and

    (2) the Speaker shall not adjourn the House until any Message from the Lords has been received and any Committee to draw up Reasons which has been appointed at that sitting has reported.

    The Speaker suspended the sitting, pursuant to Order [10th November].

46    Business of the House,-A Motion was made, and the Question being put forthwith, pursuant to Standing Order No. 15 (Exempted business), That, at this day's sitting, the Motion in the name of Mr Peter Hain and the consideration of any Lords Messages and Amendments that may be received may be proceeded with, though opposed, until any hour-(Derek Twigg):-It was agreed to.

    The Deputy Speaker suspended the sitting, pursuant to Order [10th November].

47    Message from the Lords,-A Message was brought from the Lords, as follows:

    The Lords insist on certain of their Amendments to the Criminal Justice Bill, and disagree to certain Amendments made by this House, for which insistence and disagreement they assign their Reasons; they propose certain further Amendments; they agree to certain Amendments made by this House; and they do not insist on certain of their Amendments.

    The Lords do not insist on their Amendments to the Health and Social Care (Community Health and Standards) Bill to which this House has disagreed, and agree with this House in their Amendments to the Bill.

48    Criminal Justice Bill,-Lords Reasons for insisting on certain of their Amendments to the Criminal Justice Bill and for disagreeing to Commons Amendments, Lords Amendments to words restored to the Bill and Lords consequential Amendments to be printed [Bill 189].

49    Criminal Justice Bill,-The House, pursuant to Order [18th November], proceeded forthwith to consider the Lords Message relating to the Criminal Justice Bill.

    Lords Amendment No. 32.

    Resolved, That this House does not insist on its disagreement to the Lords Amendment, does not insist on its Amendment No. 32C to the words so restored to the Bill and agrees to Lords Amendments Nos. 32E to 32L.-(Mr Secretary Blunkett.)

    Lords Amendment No. 33.

    Resolved, That this House insists on its disagreement with the Lords in their Amendment but proposes Amendments ((a) to (j)) to the words restored to the Bill by that disagreement.-(Mr John Heppell.)

    A consequential Amendment ((a)) was made to the Bill.

    Lords Amendment No. 34J was agreed to.

    Lords Amendment No. 121.

    Resolved, That this House insists on its disagreement with the Lords in their Amendment but proposes Amendment ((a)) to the words restored to the Bill by that disagreement.-(Mr John Heppell.)

    Lords Amendment No. 126.

    Resolved, That this House insists on its disagreement with the Lords in their Amendment, does not insist on its Amendment No. 131H to which the Lords have disagreed, and proposes Amendment ((a)) to the words restored to the Bill by the disagreement insisted on.-(Mr John Heppell.)

    The Deputy Speaker suspended the sitting, pursuant to Order [10th November].

50    Message from the Lords,-A Message was brought from the Lords as follows:

    The Lords do not insist on their Amendments to the Criminal Justice Bill to which this House has disagreed and agree to the Amendments made by this House to the words so restored to the Bill and the consequential Amendment made by this House to the Bill.

51    Message to attend the Lords Commissioners,-A Message from the Lords Commissioners was delivered by the Gentleman Usher of the Black Rod.

    Mr Speaker,

    The Lords, authorised by virtue of Her Majesty's Commission, for declaring Her Royal Assent to several Acts agreed upon by both Houses and for proroguing the present Parliament, desire the immediate attendance of this Honourable House in the House of Peers, to hear the Commission read.

    Accordingly the Speaker, with the House, went up to the House of Peers, where a Commission was read, giving, declaring and notifying the Royal Assent to several Acts, and for proroguing this present Parliament.

    The Royal Assent was given to the following Acts:-

      Water Act 2003

      Anti-social Behaviour Act 2003

      Courts Act 2003

      Ragwort Control Act 2003

      Extradition Act 2003

      Sexual Offences Act 2003

      Health and Social Care (Community Health and Standards) Act 2003

      Criminal Justice Act 2003

      Transas Group Act 2003.

    And afterwards Her Majesty's Most Gracious Speech was delivered to both Houses of Parliament by the Lord High Chancellor (in pursuance of Her Majesty's Command), as follows:

    My Lords and Members of the House of Commons

    My Government has taken action in support of major programmes of reform in the priority areas of crime, health and transport.

    My Government is committed to reforming the criminal justice system, to deliver justice for all and to safeguard the interests of victims, witnesses and communities.

    An Act has been passed to provide the police and other agencies with effective tools to tackle anti-social behaviour.

    Legislation has been passed to reform sentencing arrangements and to modernise criminal procedures to protect the public and reduce re-offending.

    An Act has also been passed reforming the courts system. This will allow Magistrates' Courts and the Crown Court to work more effectively together under a single organisation and will reform the system for enforcing fines and other non-custodial penalties.

    Legislation has also been passed modernising the laws on sexual offences, strengthening the framework of penalties for sex offenders to protect the public.

    In addition, legislation has been passed improving international co-operation in tackling serious crime, including terrorism, and modernising the arrangements for international mutual assistance to prosecute criminals.

    My Government continues to modernise the delivery of healthcare based on the founding principles of the National Health Service. Legislation has been passed to introduce incentives to ensure that hospital discharges are not delayed and that those needing community care are fully supported.

    Legislation has been passed to devolve power and resources to frontline staff, giving greater patient choice and more freedom to successful hospitals while increasing their accountability to local communities and introducing independent health and social care inspectorates.

    Legislation has been passed to improve the delivery of local services through better financial management and greater freedom for councils.

    An Act has been passed to improve railway and transport safety, establishing a Rail Accident Investigation Body with effective evidence-gathering powers, reforming the body responsible for regulating the railways and introducing alcohol testing on board maritime vessels and in civil aviation.

    Draft legislation has been brought forward on a number of matters including civil contingencies, housing, nuclear liabilities, corruption and mental incapacity.

    Members of the House of Commons

    I thank you for the provision you have made for the work and dignity of the Crown and for the public service.

    My Lords and Members of the House of Commons

    My Government continues to work closely with the political parties and the Irish Government to secure the full implementation of the Belfast Agreement. Legislation has been passed which establishes an Independent Monitoring Commission to report on the ongoing commitments connected with the implementation of the Belfast Agreement. An Act has also been passed amending legislation on policing in Northern Ireland.

    My Government maintains its commitment to devolution in Scotland and Wales. Legislation has been passed reforming the provision of health services in Wales.

    Legislation has been passed providing for the holding of referendums in any English region except London, on the establishment of elected regional assemblies and other preparations for the implementation of elected regional government.

    In addition, legislation has been passed to create a new regulatory framework for the communications sector to promote competition and investment, establishing a new regulatory body, implementing European Union telecoms directives, and reforming rules on media ownership.

    An Act has been passed modernising and streamlining the law governing premises selling alcohol, providing public entertainment and late night refreshment, including important measures for tackling anti-social behaviour.

    An Act has been passed allowing the Secretary of State to specify the pay, terms and conditions of the Fire Service and to direct the Fire Service on its use of facilities and assets.

    Legislation has been passed improving water management and conservation, establishing an independent Consumer Council for Water, reforming the regulatory system for water and promoting competition in the water industry.

    An Act has also been passed providing for the development of a strategy for reducing the amount of biodegradable waste going to landfill and help ensure the UK meets its climate change commitments.

    Other important measures have been enacted.

    My Lords and Members of the House of Commons

    The Duke of Edinburgh and I were pleased to receive the state visit of His Excellency the President of Russia in June. We are pleased to receive the state visit of His Excellency the President of the United States this week.

    My Government has played an active role in combating the global threat from terrorism and preventing the development or use of weapons of mass destruction by hostile states. My Government has worked to help publish and implement a Road Map for peace in the Middle East, and to support the rebuilding of Afghanistan.

    My Government took part in international action to ensure Iraq's compliance with its obligations under UN resolutions. Iraq is now on its way to a better future, free and at peace with its neighbours. Political and economic reconstruction are proceeding apace and for the first time in Iraq's history it has government institutions which reflect the diversity of its people and uphold human rights and the rule of law.

    My Government helped secure the lifting of UN sanctions against Libya following the latter's compliance with the demands of the Security Council, and has supported international negotiations with Iran and North Korea.

    My Government was active in ensuring the decision of the European Council last December to issue formal invitations to ten countries to join the European Union in May 2004. Legislation has been enacted to enable the United Kingdom to ratify the Accession Treaty with the new member states.

    Through the Convention on the Future of Europe and the subsequent Inter-Governmental Conference, my Government has participated actively in efforts to agree a new Constitutional Treaty for the European Union to equip it for the challenges of enlargement.

    My Government published its assessment of the Five Economic Tests on whether to recommend entry into the single European currency.

    My Government helped achieve agreement at the NATO Summit last November to invite seven countries to join the Alliance, and has continued to support these countries in their preparations for membership.

    My Government was heavily involved in the continuing development of the European Security and Defence Policy, including the conclusion of agreements between the European Union and NATO for the use of NATO assets and capabilities for European Security and Defence Policy military operations. My Government supported, and British personnel participated in, the first three European Security and Defence Policy operations: a police mission in Bosnia and military crisis management operations in Macedonia and the Democratic Republic of Congo.

    The Millennium Development Goals remained at the forefront of my Government's commitment to global poverty reduction. My Government has worked with partners in the UN, the G8 and other bodies to make progress towards these goals, particularly by ensuring support for developing countries' own plans such as the New Partnership for Africa's Development.

    My Lords and Members of the House of Commons

    I pray that the blessing of Almighty God may attend you.

    After which the Lord Chancellor said:

    My Lords and Members of the House of Commons,

    By virtue of Her Majesty's Commission which has now been read we do, in Her Majesty's name, and in obedience to Her Majesty's Commands, prorogue this Parliament to Wednesday the twenty-sixth day of this instant November, to be then here holden, and this Parliament is accordingly prorogued to Wednesday the twenty-sixth day of November.

Michael J. Martin
Speaker

APPENDIX I

Papers presented or laid upon the Table:

Papers subject to Negative Resolution:

    1    Civil Aviation,-Air Navigation (Amendment) (No. 2) Order 2003 (S.I., 2003, No. 2905), dated 13th November 2003 [by Act] [Mr Secretary Darling].

    2    Energy,-Sustainable Energy (CHP Provisions) Order 2003 (S.I., 2003, No. 2987), dated 19th November 2003 [by Act] [Secretary Margaret Beckett].

    3    Ministers of the Crown,-Transfer of Functions (European Parliamentary Pay and Pensions) Order 2003 (S.I., 2003, No. 2922), dated 13th November 2003 [by Act] [Mr Douglas Alexander].

    4    Parliamentary Commissioner,-Parliamentary Commissioner Order 2003 (S.I., 2003, No. 2921), dated 13th November 2003 [by Act] [Mr Douglas Alexander].

    5    Veterinary Surgeons,-Veterinary Surgeons' Qualifications (European Recognition) Order 2003 (S.I., 2003, No. 2919), dated 13th November 2003 [by Act] [Secretary Margaret Beckett].

Other Papers:

    6    Chiropractors,-Financial Statements of the General Chiropractic Council for the year ended 31st July 2003 [by Act] [Mr Christopher Leslie].

    7    National Audit,-Report by the Comptroller and Auditor General on Making a difference: Performance of maintained secondary schools in England [by Act]; to be printed [No. 1332] [Clerk of the House].

    8    Parliamentary Papers,-Alphabetical index to the Bills, House of Commons Papers and Command Papers in the House of Commons set of parliamentary papers with notes on the volume arrangement and summary of legislation, Session 2002-03, Fifty-third Parliament, Second Session, 51st and 52nd Elizabeth II, 13th November 2002 to 20th November 2003; to be printed [No. 1347] [The Speaker].

APPENDIX II

Reports from Select Committees

    1    Office of the Deputy Prime Minister: Housing, Local Government and the Regions,-Minutes of Evidence taken before the Office of the Deputy Prime Minister: Housing, Local Government and the Regions Committee [The Fire Service]; to be printed [No. 1168-v] [Andrew Bennett].

    2    Treasury,-Minutes of Evidence taken before the Treasury Committee [Bank of England November 2003 Inflation Report]; to be printed [No. 1337] [Mr John McFall].



 
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